Re: [Skunkworks] linux distros
Have you ever thought of moving out of mainstream distros? Personally, I like distros like Ubuntu and Fedora for when other, non computer people need to be using them, but often times I find them clunky, non responsive, and prone to many many bugs due to their large codebase. Therefore, I often prefer to use more trimmed versions. In recent years, this approach has taken the added benefit of package management systems and lightweight desktop environments. With package management systems, you get the benefits of dependency generation and easy package installation as with the large distros, but a much more trimmed selection of initial packages. Fedora especially takes the "Here's everything approach," which leads to bloat and function redundancy. Lightweight Desktop Environments like XFCE and LXDE attempt to provide the same functionality as bloat like KDE and GNOME, but without the monolithic sub systems that you find underlying KDE and GNOME. Heck, if you want, scrap the desktop environment completely and maybe try your hand at a simple window manager approach: Fluxbox, Blacbox, OpenBox, IceWM, etc. As for ubuntu, they lock everything down that your basically just not using Linux anymore. I am wary of any distro that tries its hardest to lock me out of the root account. However, as I am running a lab of machines I don't want people mucking up, I appreciate it. I also appreciate that everyone seems to be gravitating towards generating .debs for it. As much as I dislike ubuntu, I greatly appreciate its dedication to packages. So what distros do I like? Well Slackware for one. Someone has mentioned Gentoo as well. There is ArchLinux, MEPIS, EnGarde for dedicated servers, and my personal Desktop Distroy of choice is Zenwalk, a Slack-deriv. Or, if you are really, really, adventurous, whip up your own, complete, custom system using the Linux From Scratch project. I just hope you aren't afraid of the command line! -- jonathan mclean us peace corps volunteer ict specialist mtongwe, kenya
I have moved from clicking to root@localhost. I was preferring the main distro's since they tend to have a larger collection of packages and tend to be tested upon for major software releases. The problem with mandriva is the same as the one you pointed out with ubuntu. they tend to focus on windows too much that you feel that you are back to windows, but this time with more complex problems. so i was looking for a linux distro that has a developer in mind, but also easy enough to some extent such that i don't have to manually compile all the packages i need. as for the desktop environments, i prefer Gnome to the more flashy KDE, which tends to be heavy and buggy. but you really gave a very insightful post Jonathan. I haven't thought about the smaller distros, since most of them look like specialization efforts (media player, multimedia production etc) On 08/06/2009, Jonathan McLean <jmmcl2@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you ever thought of moving out of mainstream distros? Personally, I like distros like Ubuntu and Fedora for when other, non computer people need to be using them, but often times I find them clunky, non responsive, and prone to many many bugs due to their large codebase. Therefore, I often prefer to use more trimmed versions.
In recent years, this approach has taken the added benefit of package management systems and lightweight desktop environments. With package management systems, you get the benefits of dependency generation and easy package installation as with the large distros, but a much more trimmed selection of initial packages. Fedora especially takes the "Here's everything approach," which leads to bloat and function redundancy.
Lightweight Desktop Environments like XFCE and LXDE attempt to provide the same functionality as bloat like KDE and GNOME, but without the monolithic sub systems that you find underlying KDE and GNOME. Heck, if you want, scrap the desktop environment completely and maybe try your hand at a simple window manager approach: Fluxbox, Blacbox, OpenBox, IceWM, etc.
As for ubuntu, they lock everything down that your basically just not using Linux anymore. I am wary of any distro that tries its hardest to lock me out of the root account. However, as I am running a lab of machines I don't want people mucking up, I appreciate it. I also appreciate that everyone seems to be gravitating towards generating .debs for it. As much as I dislike ubuntu, I greatly appreciate its dedication to packages.
So what distros do I like? Well Slackware for one. Someone has mentioned Gentoo as well. There is ArchLinux, MEPIS, EnGarde for dedicated servers, and my personal Desktop Distroy of choice is Zenwalk, a Slack-deriv.
Or, if you are really, really, adventurous, whip up your own, complete, custom system using the Linux From Scratch project.
I just hope you aren't afraid of the command line!
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Why not try the consistency on SLE 11 or 10sp1 on DVD? But a ubuntu 9 is good for newbies in my experience so far. On 6/8/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I have moved from clicking to root@localhost. I was preferring the main distro's since they tend to have a larger collection of packages and tend to be tested upon for major software releases.
The problem with mandriva is the same as the one you pointed out with ubuntu. they tend to focus on windows too much that you feel that you are back to windows, but this time with more complex problems.
so i was looking for a linux distro that has a developer in mind, but also easy enough to some extent such that i don't have to manually compile all the packages i need. as for the desktop environments, i prefer Gnome to the more flashy KDE, which tends to be heavy and buggy.
but you really gave a very insightful post Jonathan. I haven't thought about the smaller distros, since most of them look like specialization efforts (media player, multimedia production etc)
On 08/06/2009, Jonathan McLean <jmmcl2@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you ever thought of moving out of mainstream distros? Personally, I like distros like Ubuntu and Fedora for when other, non computer people need to be using them, but often times I find them clunky, non responsive, and prone to many many bugs due to their large codebase. Therefore, I often prefer to use more trimmed versions.
In recent years, this approach has taken the added benefit of package management systems and lightweight desktop environments. With package management systems, you get the benefits of dependency generation and easy package installation as with the large distros, but a much more trimmed selection of initial packages. Fedora especially takes the "Here's everything approach," which leads to bloat and function redundancy.
Lightweight Desktop Environments like XFCE and LXDE attempt to provide the same functionality as bloat like KDE and GNOME, but without the monolithic sub systems that you find underlying KDE and GNOME. Heck, if you want, scrap the desktop environment completely and maybe try your hand at a simple window manager approach: Fluxbox, Blacbox, OpenBox, IceWM, etc.
As for ubuntu, they lock everything down that your basically just not using Linux anymore. I am wary of any distro that tries its hardest to lock me out of the root account. However, as I am running a lab of machines I don't want people mucking up, I appreciate it. I also appreciate that everyone seems to be gravitating towards generating .debs for it. As much as I dislike ubuntu, I greatly appreciate its dedication to packages.
So what distros do I like? Well Slackware for one. Someone has mentioned Gentoo as well. There is ArchLinux, MEPIS, EnGarde for dedicated servers, and my personal Desktop Distroy of choice is Zenwalk, a Slack-deriv.
Or, if you are really, really, adventurous, whip up your own, complete, custom system using the Linux From Scratch project.
I just hope you aren't afraid of the command line!
-- jonathan mclean us peace corps volunteer ict specialist mtongwe, kenya _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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This thread, like many that try comparing apples and mangos will (or probably has already) degenerate to this distro is better because . . . . And go on forever. In a nutshell, linux will give you a wide array of solutions. The important thing might be to list your requirements in a piece of paper and then weigh the options objectively to get the distro most suitable. I can assure you anyone who has used a single distro for over 1 year will give you a very compelling case for it. Thank God GPL allows us to pick debian and paint it, add package managers design and call it ubuntu, then pick ubuntu and make something else and on and on and on. On 6/8/09, Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com> wrote:
Why not try the consistency on SLE 11 or 10sp1 on DVD? But a ubuntu 9 is good for newbies in my experience so far.
On 6/8/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
I have moved from clicking to root@localhost. I was preferring the main distro's since they tend to have a larger collection of packages and tend to be tested upon for major software releases.
The problem with mandriva is the same as the one you pointed out with ubuntu. they tend to focus on windows too much that you feel that you are back to windows, but this time with more complex problems.
so i was looking for a linux distro that has a developer in mind, but also easy enough to some extent such that i don't have to manually compile all the packages i need. as for the desktop environments, i prefer Gnome to the more flashy KDE, which tends to be heavy and buggy.
but you really gave a very insightful post Jonathan. I haven't thought about the smaller distros, since most of them look like specialization efforts (media player, multimedia production etc)
On 08/06/2009, Jonathan McLean <jmmcl2@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you ever thought of moving out of mainstream distros? Personally, I like distros like Ubuntu and Fedora for when other, non computer people need to be using them, but often times I find them clunky, non responsive, and prone to many many bugs due to their large codebase. Therefore, I often prefer to use more trimmed versions.
In recent years, this approach has taken the added benefit of package management systems and lightweight desktop environments. With package management systems, you get the benefits of dependency generation and easy package installation as with the large distros, but a much more trimmed selection of initial packages. Fedora especially takes the "Here's everything approach," which leads to bloat and function redundancy.
Lightweight Desktop Environments like XFCE and LXDE attempt to provide the same functionality as bloat like KDE and GNOME, but without the monolithic sub systems that you find underlying KDE and GNOME. Heck, if you want, scrap the desktop environment completely and maybe try your hand at a simple window manager approach: Fluxbox, Blacbox, OpenBox, IceWM, etc.
As for ubuntu, they lock everything down that your basically just not using Linux anymore. I am wary of any distro that tries its hardest to lock me out of the root account. However, as I am running a lab of machines I don't want people mucking up, I appreciate it. I also appreciate that everyone seems to be gravitating towards generating .debs for it. As much as I dislike ubuntu, I greatly appreciate its dedication to packages.
So what distros do I like? Well Slackware for one. Someone has mentioned Gentoo as well. There is ArchLinux, MEPIS, EnGarde for dedicated servers, and my personal Desktop Distroy of choice is Zenwalk, a Slack-deriv.
Or, if you are really, really, adventurous, whip up your own, complete, custom system using the Linux From Scratch project.
I just hope you aren't afraid of the command line!
-- jonathan mclean us peace corps volunteer ict specialist mtongwe, kenya _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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-- If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas. George Bernard Shaw
From personal experience, I would advise you use Linux Mint. It's deb based and a direct ubuntu derivative. It's tailor made for the desktop user but you can add a few servers for practice until you are comfortable enough (with the shell) for Slackware (McLean). The reason I would advise for Mint: They seem to tweek it enough so that it runs on as much hardware as possible, codecs are set and you can just discover the system at your own pace.
Believe me when I tell you I learnt how to recompile the kernel, the meaning of RTFM, etc etc, all on Slackware (FL - sic) before I could even pipe output from commands, and all this so that I can have my soundcard working well. Sometimes I look back and I think I didn't have to do all that. You can run a virtual machine and do shell commands on Mint. You still have TTY's to log in to, it's still the same system and the kernel is the same. But I'f you need servers, other than Solaris, I'd advice for RPM systems esp RedHat/Centos/Fedora. Thing is you are still growing into these systems. Some make you do it faster than others. Like for example I have to give Mint some newfound respect bcoz I've come to see that I can finally read PDF's from CLI using /dev/fb0. The last time I used /dev/fb0 was just to watch a movies (that waas on slack)... reason, I didn't have enough documentation and manuals to help reason out how to do it. Now if I'm stuck with a broken gui, I can still read my books(pdf's), watch movies etc, because it's [almost] the same procedure on all systems. It has a smooth "learning" curve, freeing up your time to do other stuff. My 2 cents. On 06/08/2009, Benjamin <anangwe@gmail.com> wrote:
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Hi, Personally, i have installed a LAMP system (i think its an option when doing a text based install ) and vmware on an ubuntu 7.10 server and they worked great. Haven't tried on another distro coz of time limitations! Unfortunately, this is a journey you have to embrace alone after everyone has heaped praises on their prefered choice of distro....i won't say which is my favourite coz it will serve to confuse you more. :-) That said, take it a step at a time....am assuming you have time to play around with the distros. "After a lot of hard work, I have graduated to a normal linux user. still, i am so inexperienced that i have wasted a whole week of person-hours............... I hereby sought your advice on the most suitable linux distribution for linux power users" Out of curiosity (with a smile on me face)......you have bridged the gap between normal user and power user rather quickly..........hehe My 2 cents!
From experience, I have found Mandriva and Ubuntu to be among the easiest distros to work with especially for a new Linux user. On the other hand, freeBSD, slackware, gentoo ,,, are not that straight forward to tame. But then I discovered its better to start the hard way, and it will all make sense (much sense!) with time.
So if you ask me, dont go for the newbie stuff, crack your head with gentoo's console! :) - and that way you'll learn That way you will be able configure and reconfigure mysql the way you want on Ubuntu - then it will be like childs play :) :) Kind regards -Alex On 6/8/09, David Ndambuki <damundx@gmail.com> wrote:
From personal experience, I would advise you use Linux Mint. It's deb based and a direct ubuntu derivative. It's tailor made for the desktop user but you can add a few servers for practice until you are comfortable enough (with the shell) for Slackware (McLean). The reason I would advise for Mint: They seem to tweek it enough so that it runs on as much hardware as possible, codecs are set and you can just discover the system at your own pace.
Believe me when I tell you I learnt how to recompile the kernel, the meaning of RTFM, etc etc, all on Slackware (FL - sic) before I could even pipe output from commands, and all this so that I can have my soundcard working well. Sometimes I look back and I think I didn't have to do all that. You can run a virtual machine and do shell commands on Mint. You still have TTY's to log in to, it's still the same system and the kernel is the same.
But I'f you need servers, other than Solaris, I'd advice for RPM systems esp RedHat/Centos/Fedora.
Thing is you are still growing into these systems. Some make you do it faster than others. Like for example I have to give Mint some newfound respect bcoz I've come to see that I can finally read PDF's from CLI using /dev/fb0. The last time I used /dev/fb0 was just to watch a movies (that waas on slack)... reason, I didn't have enough documentation and manuals to help reason out how to do it. Now if I'm stuck with a broken gui, I can still read my books(pdf's), watch movies etc, because it's [almost] the same procedure on all systems.
It has a smooth "learning" curve, freeing up your time to do other stuff. My 2 cents.
On 06/08/2009, Benjamin <anangwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Wewe Colins wacha !!!!
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Hi Dennis, B4 i comment let me first admit that many call me a Mandriva damu, but i have and do change distros once in a while. {start here} http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux Installing L.A.M.P on Mandriva/Fedora/Cent-OS/Ubuntu/e.t.c..e.t.c is easy given that you have all the necessary dependencies and environment setup, Changing the distro will not solve your problem i beleive you should first fix the problem b4 switching distros, coz their are over 50 names and about 7 package bases or main streams. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions Quick Guide for installing stuff - Ubuntu:{all variants} use: apt get install {over the net} or apt install {from dowloaded deb's} - Red-hat/Fedora/Cent-OS use: Yam install {on fedora 7,8 and 9} the default yum settings were faulty google for fixes. - Mandriva user urpmi {my favourite because it always recalls their was instalation media instead of trying to download stuff} - Suse: use Yast - If your feeling adventurosuse use rpmi -ihv {not sure of the options} - Avoid make, make install unless their is no alternative, once you take this route you have to stay it mixing them will give you sleeples nights. Packages, Documentation and assistance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions Obviously without argument Ubuntu wins here, their seems to be a deb file for everything open source. they are easy to install and best of all ubuntu forums seem to have answeres to every beginners and rainy day question you encounter if you have a problem and your not winning online just remove you distro name from the search string and you will most definitely find your self at ubuntu or its namesakes. will not judge BSD or others {havent used them} but in second place i would prefer RPM based this are redhat, fedora, mandriva e.t.c. Many a time you find software for linux they most always have a tutorial for Redhat/Fedora how to instalation and configuration, {will accept nowadays ubuntu and Suse are catching up}, Lastly, i may be wrong but i will put suse in this list as it supports RPM's Most important question am i an expert on Linux? answer is NO, I just like thing that work right out of the box. Mandrake, last i heard was 10 back in 2005, if that is what you are running no wonder Lamp was so much stress, Ashford K. Maina, Dan Quayle <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/d/dan_quayle.html> - "This President is going to lead us out of this recovery." 2009/6/8 David Ndambuki <damundx@gmail.com>
From personal experience, I would advise you use Linux Mint. It's deb based and a direct ubuntu derivative. It's tailor made for the desktop user but you can add a few servers for practice until you are comfortable enough (with the shell) for Slackware (McLean). The reason I would advise for Mint: They seem to tweek it enough so that it runs on as much hardware as possible, codecs are set and you can just discover the system at your own pace.
Believe me when I tell you I learnt how to recompile the kernel, the meaning of RTFM, etc etc, all on Slackware (FL - sic) before I could even pipe output from commands, and all this so that I can have my soundcard working well. Sometimes I look back and I think I didn't have to do all that. You can run a virtual machine and do shell commands on Mint. You still have TTY's to log in to, it's still the same system and the kernel is the same.
But I'f you need servers, other than Solaris, I'd advice for RPM systems esp RedHat/Centos/Fedora.
Thing is you are still growing into these systems. Some make you do it faster than others. Like for example I have to give Mint some newfound respect bcoz I've come to see that I can finally read PDF's from CLI using /dev/fb0. The last time I used /dev/fb0 was just to watch a movies (that waas on slack)... reason, I didn't have enough documentation and manuals to help reason out how to do it. Now if I'm stuck with a broken gui, I can still read my books(pdf's), watch movies etc, because it's [almost] the same procedure on all systems.
It has a smooth "learning" curve, freeing up your time to do other stuff. My 2 cents.
On 06/08/2009, Benjamin <anangwe@gmail.com> wrote:
Wewe Colins wacha !!!!
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| have also been a Mandriva user for a few years on and off. I finally became fa full fledged user when i read about a certain windows worm taht used key loggers and had ammassed a lot of data from infected machines including passwords, IM usernames & passwords, Credit card numbers, chat conversations-- basicalluy everything that a user had typed. I think Mandriva biggest disadavantage is that it targets newbies too much . I also think ubuntu is going that way too. I am avaoiding fedora since its server geared, while i am targeting a desktop installation. The big problem again with beginner installations is that some problems tend to have too much noise when you try to source for a solution, i.e too many people ask the same question and very few are answered, in short, google will not sort you out. As for the distros that are more into the terminal and configuration side, I am too lazy for them, and I wouldnt want to waste a lot of time setting things up. so i was looking for a distro that is more power user oriented, such that its pre configured from a developer/power user point of view (not a beginner who has to be given a distro where the mplayer codecs are already put into it). So I have decided to change from mandriva to suse. I have used Mandriva fromm 2006.0 to 2009.0 . I will donate my discs to other beginners, who i hope will enjoy their experience. 2009/6/8 Ashford Maina <kuriashford@gmail.com>
Hi Dennis,
B4 i comment let me first admit that many call me a Mandriva damu, but i have and do change distros once in a while. {start here} http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
Installing L.A.M.P on Mandriva/Fedora/Cent-OS/Ubuntu/e.t.c..e.t.c is easy given that you have all the necessary dependencies and environment setup, Changing the distro will not solve your problem i beleive you should first fix the problem b4 switching distros, coz their are over 50 names and about 7 package bases or main streams. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions
Quick Guide for installing stuff
- Ubuntu:{all variants} use: apt get install {over the net} or apt install {from dowloaded deb's} - Red-hat/Fedora/Cent-OS use: Yam install {on fedora 7,8 and 9} the default yum settings were faulty google for fixes. - Mandriva user urpmi {my favourite because it always recalls their was instalation media instead of trying to download stuff} - Suse: use Yast - If your feeling adventurosuse use rpmi -ihv {not sure of the options} - Avoid make, make install unless their is no alternative, once you take this route you have to stay it mixing them will give you sleeples nights.
Packages, Documentation and assistance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Linux_distributions
Obviously without argument Ubuntu wins here, their seems to be a deb file for everything open source. they are easy to install and best of all ubuntu forums seem to have answeres to every beginners and rainy day question you encounter if you have a problem and your not winning online just remove you distro name from the search string and you will most definitely find your self at ubuntu or its namesakes.
will not judge BSD or others {havent used them} but in second place i would prefer RPM based this are redhat, fedora, mandriva e.t.c. Many a time you find software for linux they most always have a tutorial for Redhat/Fedora how to instalation and configuration, {will accept nowadays ubuntu and Suse are catching up}, Lastly, i may be wrong but i will put suse in this list as it supports RPM's
Most important question am i an expert on Linux? answer is NO, I just like thing that work right out of the box.
Mandrake, last i heard was 10 back in 2005, if that is what you are running no wonder Lamp was so much stress,
Ashford K. Maina,
Dan Quayle <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/d/dan_quayle.html> - "This President is going to lead us out of this recovery."
2009/6/8 David Ndambuki <damundx@gmail.com>
From personal experience, I would advise you use Linux Mint. It's deb based
and a direct ubuntu derivative. It's tailor made for the desktop user but you can add a few servers for practice until you are comfortable enough (with the shell) for Slackware (McLean). The reason I would advise for Mint: They seem to tweek it enough so that it runs on as much hardware as possible, codecs are set and you can just discover the system at your own pace.
Believe me when I tell you I learnt how to recompile the kernel, the meaning of RTFM, etc etc, all on Slackware (FL - sic) before I could even pipe output from commands, and all this so that I can have my soundcard working well. Sometimes I look back and I think I didn't have to do all that. You can run a virtual machine and do shell commands on Mint. You still have TTY's to log in to, it's still the same system and the kernel is the same.
But I'f you need servers, other than Solaris, I'd advice for RPM systems esp RedHat/Centos/Fedora.
Thing is you are still growing into these systems. Some make you do it faster than others. Like for example I have to give Mint some newfound respect bcoz I've come to see that I can finally read PDF's from CLI using /dev/fb0. The last time I used /dev/fb0 was just to watch a movies (that waas on slack)... reason, I didn't have enough documentation and manuals to help reason out how to do it. Now if I'm stuck with a broken gui, I can still read my books(pdf's), watch movies etc, because it's [almost] the same procedure on all systems.
It has a smooth "learning" curve, freeing up your time to do other stuff. My 2 cents.
On 06/08/2009, Benjamin <anangwe@gmail.com> wrote:
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