http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/12/11/google-phone-zomg/ And even better, it may be data-only VoIP : http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/the-google-phone-may-be-data-only-voip-... Apple is toast, just like my Sunday breakfast : http://ebooktest.wordpress.com/2009/12/12/the-ugliest-fight-ever-apple-versu... Saidi
Apple is not toast and will never be until the google phone becomes the reference point. Right now, everyone tries to make their phone look like the iPhone (including google) and they will go at great lengths to show the similarities and differences. It means the iPhone is the standard setting phone and everyone is waiting what Apple will do next - that is the best position to be at. ./Ok3ch On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:40 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/12/11/google-phone-zomg/ And even better, it may be data-only VoIP : http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/the-google-phone-may-be-data-only-voip-... Apple is toast, just like my Sunday breakfast : http://ebooktest.wordpress.com/2009/12/12/the-ugliest-fight-ever-apple-versu... Saidi _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
Google has way more leverage than Apple does, across many sectors, that it's difficult to tell where to begin. First-to-market doesn't always translate to last-left-standing. Microsoft is a good case in point: they weren't first to the browser market but now they dominate. Their dominance wasn't earned legally, but the point is one can still dominate even when late to the game. Once the iPhone becomes commoditized and simply becomes another phone, as will inevitably happen, what will Apple do? Once iTunes and Apple's appstore become commoditized... what next for Apple? They don't appear to have a large-scale strategy for anything, besides amazing hardware once every x-years. What happens when the emphasis on smartphones shifts from hardware to almost exclusively software, as happened in the PC sector? Keep in mind that before the iPod, Apple was just a niche player. Saidi On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Apple is not toast and will never be until the google phone becomes the reference point. Right now, everyone tries to make their phone look like the iPhone (including google) and they will go at great lengths to show the similarities and differences. It means the iPhone is the standard setting phone and everyone is waiting what Apple will do next - that is the best position to be at.
./Ok3ch
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:40 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/12/11/google-phone-zomg/ And even better, it may be data-only VoIP : http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/the-google-phone-may-be-data-only-voip-... Apple is toast, just like my Sunday breakfast : http://ebooktest.wordpress.com/2009/12/12/the-ugliest-fight-ever-apple-versu... Saidi _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:40 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/the-google-phone-may-be-data-only-voip-... Apple is toast, just like my Sunday breakfast : http://ebooktest.wordpress.com/2009/12/12/the-ugliest-fight-ever-apple-versu... Saidi
i dont know if reading ebooks on a phone is going to be a major game changer, but thats just me, i prefer reading books on paper. large part of the phone market is still traditional voice / sms services based .... and perhaps some twitter and email if you have a smart phone. most people i know dont even have a smart phone.
No one knows what the game-changer will be, that is why companies with incredible reach have an opportunity to leverage that intelligently. Take Amazon.com for instance: they managed to morph from an online bookseller (of all things!) to a serious contender with the Amazon EC2 suite, Kindle etc. Google started with (just) search, look where they are now. Apple had an opportunity to extend their appstore reach way beyond their iPod/iPhone line but Steve Jobs would have none of it. That may come back to bite him. Then again, who knows? Saidi On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:09 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info<ashok%2Bskunkworks@parliaments.info>
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On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 11:40 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/18/the-google-phone-may-be-data-only-voip-... Apple is toast, just like my Sunday breakfast : http://ebooktest.wordpress.com/2009/12/12/the-ugliest-fight-ever-apple-versu... Saidi
i dont know if reading ebooks on a phone is going to be a major game changer, but thats just me, i prefer reading books on paper. large part of the phone market is still traditional voice / sms services based .... and perhaps some twitter and email if you have a smart phone. most people i know dont even have a smart phone. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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Here are photos of it http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/exclusive-first-google-phone-nexus-one-ph... This would look nice on my hands :) -- ˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙ 'spɹɐƃǝɹ ıʞnɾu pıʌɐp
My point is - until everyone wants to compare their phone makes to google's, it will still trail - since right now its like the iPhone is the standard for all phones and might be for a long time to come - just like in the Desktop PC, most of us don'r own an Mac, but it is still the standard we use to measure PC's. ./ok3ch On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:34 AM, David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com> wrote:
Here are photos of it
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/exclusive-first-google-phone-nexus-one-ph...
This would look nice on my hands :)
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It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for desktop computers to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone. Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is king in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone and Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close. There is a big difference with having potential and being there. Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all.
No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close.
There is a big difference with having potential and being there. Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all.
Interesting comment. You seem to imply that it's not even a battle at all. Google it and you'll find that quite a number think it's a battle of the titans. Question is: why is Microsoft missing in action? What tricks does Steve Ballmer (or whoever succeeds him once the board fires him) have up his sleeve? Google's focus isn't really search, it is advertising. They're just good at leveraging search to increase their ad revenue. There's a lot about Google's practices that I don't like, privacy being top of the list. I am, however, a fan of some of their core technology (I've posted before about Peter Norvig's talks on big data and big possibilities). Question: what other tech company has successfully implemented an ad-supported freemium model on a scale as large as Google's? - Email: remember how much space Hotmail and Yahoo used to give users before Gmail upped the game? - Maps: remember how crappy Mapquest was before Google Maps came in? And that's even before you consider StreetView. - Maps: anything remotely resembling Google Earth, at that cost? - GPS navigation: turn-by-turn for free? - Research: online search was mostly considered a "done deal" by the major contenders (Yahoo, Inktomi, etc etc) before Google upended everything with a radically new system (which also included image search) - Data-mining: the standard wisdom relied on a small corpus of text to build complex, and hopefully complete, models on. Peter Norvig advocates huge corpuses and largely dispenses with complex/complete models (whether in translation, spell-check, entity-recognition etc). - Photos: anything remotely resembling Picasa, for the price and features? This isn't really about Google, but rather about the success of a very different business model on a humongous scale. Unfortunately, we don't seem to realize the privacy implications to the consumer.... until it's too late. Previously, most of these apps would have cost you dollars. Now they cost advertisers dollars and you don't pay any cash. Of course, you pay in other ways (the information you give, the loss of privacy etc etc). The bigger worry is in a single player having sizeable influence in such a wide-spectrum of technological life. For now Google may be a benevolent monopoly, but for how long? Saidi On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for desktop computers to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone.
Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is king in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone and Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close.
There is a big difference with having potential and being there. Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all.
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http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2009/12/android-dogfood-diet-for-holidays.h... 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com>
No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has changed the
computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close.
There is a big difference with having potential and being there. Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all.
Interesting comment. You seem to imply that it's not even a battle at all. Google it and you'll find that quite a number think it's a battle of the titans. Question is: why is Microsoft missing in action? What tricks does Steve Ballmer (or whoever succeeds him once the board fires him) have up his sleeve?
Google's focus isn't really search, it is advertising. They're just good at leveraging search to increase their ad revenue. There's a lot about Google's practices that I don't like, privacy being top of the list. I am, however, a fan of some of their core technology (I've posted before about Peter Norvig's talks on big data and big possibilities).
Question: what other tech company has successfully implemented an ad-supported freemium model on a scale as large as Google's?
- Email: remember how much space Hotmail and Yahoo used to give users before Gmail upped the game? - Maps: remember how crappy Mapquest was before Google Maps came in? And that's even before you consider StreetView. - Maps: anything remotely resembling Google Earth, at that cost? - GPS navigation: turn-by-turn for free? - Research: online search was mostly considered a "done deal" by the major contenders (Yahoo, Inktomi, etc etc) before Google upended everything with a radically new system (which also included image search) - Data-mining: the standard wisdom relied on a small corpus of text to build complex, and hopefully complete, models on. Peter Norvig advocates huge corpuses and largely dispenses with complex/complete models (whether in translation, spell-check, entity-recognition etc). - Photos: anything remotely resembling Picasa, for the price and features?
This isn't really about Google, but rather about the success of a very different business model on a humongous scale. Unfortunately, we don't seem to realize the privacy implications to the consumer.... until it's too late.
Previously, most of these apps would have cost you dollars. Now they cost advertisers dollars and you don't pay any cash. Of course, you pay in other ways (the information you give, the loss of privacy etc etc). The bigger worry is in a single player having sizeable influence in such a wide-spectrum of technological life. For now Google may be a benevolent monopoly, but for how long?
Saidi
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com>wrote:
It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for desktop computers to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone.
Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is king in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone and Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close.
There is a big difference with having potential and being there. Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all.
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That's what they all say ;) Apple denied the iPhone... until they announced it. On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
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2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com>
No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has changed the
computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close.
There is a big difference with having potential and being there. Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all.
Interesting comment. You seem to imply that it's not even a battle at all. Google it and you'll find that quite a number think it's a battle of the titans. Question is: why is Microsoft missing in action? What tricks does Steve Ballmer (or whoever succeeds him once the board fires him) have up his sleeve?
Google's focus isn't really search, it is advertising. They're just good at leveraging search to increase their ad revenue. There's a lot about Google's practices that I don't like, privacy being top of the list. I am, however, a fan of some of their core technology (I've posted before about Peter Norvig's talks on big data and big possibilities).
Question: what other tech company has successfully implemented an ad-supported freemium model on a scale as large as Google's?
- Email: remember how much space Hotmail and Yahoo used to give users before Gmail upped the game? - Maps: remember how crappy Mapquest was before Google Maps came in? And that's even before you consider StreetView. - Maps: anything remotely resembling Google Earth, at that cost? - GPS navigation: turn-by-turn for free? - Research: online search was mostly considered a "done deal" by the major contenders (Yahoo, Inktomi, etc etc) before Google upended everything with a radically new system (which also included image search) - Data-mining: the standard wisdom relied on a small corpus of text to build complex, and hopefully complete, models on. Peter Norvig advocates huge corpuses and largely dispenses with complex/complete models (whether in translation, spell-check, entity-recognition etc). - Photos: anything remotely resembling Picasa, for the price and features?
This isn't really about Google, but rather about the success of a very different business model on a humongous scale. Unfortunately, we don't seem to realize the privacy implications to the consumer.... until it's too late.
Previously, most of these apps would have cost you dollars. Now they cost advertisers dollars and you don't pay any cash. Of course, you pay in other ways (the information you give, the loss of privacy etc etc). The bigger worry is in a single player having sizeable influence in such a wide-spectrum of technological life. For now Google may be a benevolent monopoly, but for how long?
Saidi
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com>wrote:
It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for desktop computers to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone.
Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is king in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone and Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close.
There is a big difference with having potential and being there. Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all.
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I don't think thats a denial, actually very close to admiting it 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com>
That's what they all say ;)
Apple denied the iPhone... until they announced it.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2009/12/android-dogfood-diet-for-holidays.h...
2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com>
No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has changed the
computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close.
There is a big difference with having potential and being there. Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all.
Interesting comment. You seem to imply that it's not even a battle at all. Google it and you'll find that quite a number think it's a battle of the titans. Question is: why is Microsoft missing in action? What tricks does Steve Ballmer (or whoever succeeds him once the board fires him) have up his sleeve?
Google's focus isn't really search, it is advertising. They're just good at leveraging search to increase their ad revenue. There's a lot about Google's practices that I don't like, privacy being top of the list. I am, however, a fan of some of their core technology (I've posted before about Peter Norvig's talks on big data and big possibilities).
Question: what other tech company has successfully implemented an ad-supported freemium model on a scale as large as Google's?
- Email: remember how much space Hotmail and Yahoo used to give users before Gmail upped the game? - Maps: remember how crappy Mapquest was before Google Maps came in? And that's even before you consider StreetView. - Maps: anything remotely resembling Google Earth, at that cost? - GPS navigation: turn-by-turn for free? - Research: online search was mostly considered a "done deal" by the major contenders (Yahoo, Inktomi, etc etc) before Google upended everything with a radically new system (which also included image search) - Data-mining: the standard wisdom relied on a small corpus of text to build complex, and hopefully complete, models on. Peter Norvig advocates huge corpuses and largely dispenses with complex/complete models (whether in translation, spell-check, entity-recognition etc). - Photos: anything remotely resembling Picasa, for the price and features?
This isn't really about Google, but rather about the success of a very different business model on a humongous scale. Unfortunately, we don't seem to realize the privacy implications to the consumer.... until it's too late.
Previously, most of these apps would have cost you dollars. Now they cost advertisers dollars and you don't pay any cash. Of course, you pay in other ways (the information you give, the loss of privacy etc etc). The bigger worry is in a single player having sizeable influence in such a wide-spectrum of technological life. For now Google may be a benevolent monopoly, but for how long?
Saidi
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It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for desktop computers to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone.
Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is king in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone and Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close.
There is a big difference with having potential and being there. Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all.
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Aside from the excitement of a new smartphone, does it worry you that one company is "all over the place"? On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
I don't think thats a denial, actually very close to admiting it
2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com>
That's what they all say ;)
Apple denied the iPhone... until they announced it.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
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2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com>
No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has changed the
computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close.
There is a big difference with having potential and being there. Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all.
Interesting comment. You seem to imply that it's not even a battle at all. Google it and you'll find that quite a number think it's a battle of the titans. Question is: why is Microsoft missing in action? What tricks does Steve Ballmer (or whoever succeeds him once the board fires him) have up his sleeve?
Google's focus isn't really search, it is advertising. They're just good at leveraging search to increase their ad revenue. There's a lot about Google's practices that I don't like, privacy being top of the list. I am, however, a fan of some of their core technology (I've posted before about Peter Norvig's talks on big data and big possibilities).
Question: what other tech company has successfully implemented an ad-supported freemium model on a scale as large as Google's?
- Email: remember how much space Hotmail and Yahoo used to give users before Gmail upped the game? - Maps: remember how crappy Mapquest was before Google Maps came in? And that's even before you consider StreetView. - Maps: anything remotely resembling Google Earth, at that cost? - GPS navigation: turn-by-turn for free? - Research: online search was mostly considered a "done deal" by the major contenders (Yahoo, Inktomi, etc etc) before Google upended everything with a radically new system (which also included image search) - Data-mining: the standard wisdom relied on a small corpus of text to build complex, and hopefully complete, models on. Peter Norvig advocates huge corpuses and largely dispenses with complex/complete models (whether in translation, spell-check, entity-recognition etc). - Photos: anything remotely resembling Picasa, for the price and features?
This isn't really about Google, but rather about the success of a very different business model on a humongous scale. Unfortunately, we don't seem to realize the privacy implications to the consumer.... until it's too late.
Previously, most of these apps would have cost you dollars. Now they cost advertisers dollars and you don't pay any cash. Of course, you pay in other ways (the information you give, the loss of privacy etc etc). The bigger worry is in a single player having sizeable influence in such a wide-spectrum of technological life. For now Google may be a benevolent monopoly, but for how long?
Saidi
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com>wrote:
It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for desktop computers to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone.
Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is king in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone and Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close.
There is a big difference with having potential and being there. Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all.
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And now this: http://goo.gl/ The juggernaut keeps on rolling. Saidi On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Aside from the excitement of a new smartphone, does it worry you that one company is "all over the place"?
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
I don't think thats a denial, actually very close to admiting it
2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com>
That's what they all say ;)
Apple denied the iPhone... until they announced it.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com>wrote:
http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2009/12/android-dogfood-diet-for-holidays.h...
2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com>
No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has changed the
computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close.
There is a big difference with having potential and being there. Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all.
Interesting comment. You seem to imply that it's not even a battle at all. Google it and you'll find that quite a number think it's a battle of the titans. Question is: why is Microsoft missing in action? What tricks does Steve Ballmer (or whoever succeeds him once the board fires him) have up his sleeve?
Google's focus isn't really search, it is advertising. They're just good at leveraging search to increase their ad revenue. There's a lot about Google's practices that I don't like, privacy being top of the list. I am, however, a fan of some of their core technology (I've posted before about Peter Norvig's talks on big data and big possibilities).
Question: what other tech company has successfully implemented an ad-supported freemium model on a scale as large as Google's?
- Email: remember how much space Hotmail and Yahoo used to give users before Gmail upped the game? - Maps: remember how crappy Mapquest was before Google Maps came in? And that's even before you consider StreetView. - Maps: anything remotely resembling Google Earth, at that cost? - GPS navigation: turn-by-turn for free? - Research: online search was mostly considered a "done deal" by the major contenders (Yahoo, Inktomi, etc etc) before Google upended everything with a radically new system (which also included image search) - Data-mining: the standard wisdom relied on a small corpus of text to build complex, and hopefully complete, models on. Peter Norvig advocates huge corpuses and largely dispenses with complex/complete models (whether in translation, spell-check, entity-recognition etc). - Photos: anything remotely resembling Picasa, for the price and features?
This isn't really about Google, but rather about the success of a very different business model on a humongous scale. Unfortunately, we don't seem to realize the privacy implications to the consumer.... until it's too late.
Previously, most of these apps would have cost you dollars. Now they cost advertisers dollars and you don't pay any cash. Of course, you pay in other ways (the information you give, the loss of privacy etc etc). The bigger worry is in a single player having sizeable influence in such a wide-spectrum of technological life. For now Google may be a benevolent monopoly, but for how long?
Saidi
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com>wrote:
It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for desktop computers to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone.
Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is king in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone and Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close.
There is a big difference with having potential and being there. Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all.
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@Saidi - I think you are too obsessed with google to argue logically on anything else, you need to try and see from all perspectives. ./Ok3ch On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:13 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
And now this: http://goo.gl/ The juggernaut keeps on rolling. Saidi
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Aside from the excitement of a new smartphone, does it worry you that one company is "all over the place"?
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com> wrote:
I don't think thats a denial, actually very close to admiting it
2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com>
That's what they all say ;) Apple denied the iPhone... until they announced it.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com> wrote:
http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2009/12/android-dogfood-diet-for-holidays.h...
2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com>
> > No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has changed > the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close. > > There is a big difference with having potential and being there. > Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all.
Interesting comment. You seem to imply that it's not even a battle at all. Google it and you'll find that quite a number think it's a battle of the titans. Question is: why is Microsoft missing in action? What tricks does Steve Ballmer (or whoever succeeds him once the board fires him) have up his sleeve? Google's focus isn't really search, it is advertising. They're just good at leveraging search to increase their ad revenue. There's a lot about Google's practices that I don't like, privacy being top of the list. I am, however, a fan of some of their core technology (I've posted before about Peter Norvig's talks on big data and big possibilities). Question: what other tech company has successfully implemented an ad-supported freemium model on a scale as large as Google's? - Email: remember how much space Hotmail and Yahoo used to give users before Gmail upped the game? - Maps: remember how crappy Mapquest was before Google Maps came in? And that's even before you consider StreetView. - Maps: anything remotely resembling Google Earth, at that cost? - GPS navigation: turn-by-turn for free? - Research: online search was mostly considered a "done deal" by the major contenders (Yahoo, Inktomi, etc etc) before Google upended everything with a radically new system (which also included image search) - Data-mining: the standard wisdom relied on a small corpus of text to build complex, and hopefully complete, models on. Peter Norvig advocates huge corpuses and largely dispenses with complex/complete models (whether in translation, spell-check, entity-recognition etc). - Photos: anything remotely resembling Picasa, for the price and features? This isn't really about Google, but rather about the success of a very different business model on a humongous scale. Unfortunately, we don't seem to realize the privacy implications to the consumer.... until it's too late. Previously, most of these apps would have cost you dollars. Now they cost advertisers dollars and you don't pay any cash. Of course, you pay in other ways (the information you give, the loss of privacy etc etc). The bigger worry is in a single player having sizeable influence in such a wide-spectrum of technological life. For now Google may be a benevolent monopoly, but for how long? Saidi
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote: > > It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I > think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for desktop computers > to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone. > > Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is king > in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone and > Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company with maybe > the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape the way Apple > has, Google does not even come close. > > There is a big difference with having potential and being there. > Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all. > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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Yes Okechuckwu, I am obsessed with the goings on in my field. And so are the many others who author the links I post. They too are obsessed with things they're passionate about. Isn't that what life is all about? I'll take the reality of passion over the myth of logic... any day of the week. Saidi On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Saidi - I think you are too obsessed with google to argue logically on anything else, you need to try and see from all perspectives.
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:13 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
And now this: http://goo.gl/ The juggernaut keeps on rolling. Saidi
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Aside from the excitement of a new smartphone, does it worry you that
one
company is "all over the place"?
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <gmail@gichingiri.com
wrote:
I don't think thats a denial, actually very close to admiting it
2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com>
That's what they all say ;) Apple denied the iPhone... until they announced it.
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <
gmail@gichingiri.com>
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2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> >> >> No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has changed >> the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even
come close.
>> >> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. >> Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all. > > Interesting comment. You seem to imply that it's not even a battle at > all. Google it and you'll find that quite a number think it's a battle of > the titans. Question is: why is Microsoft missing in action? What tricks > does Steve Ballmer (or whoever succeeds him once the board fires him) have > up his sleeve? > Google's focus isn't really search, it is advertising. They're just > good at leveraging search to increase their ad revenue. There's a lot about > Google's practices that I don't like, privacy being top of the list. I am, > however, a fan of some of their core technology (I've posted before about > Peter Norvig's talks on big data and big possibilities). > Question: what other tech company has successfully implemented an > ad-supported freemium model on a scale as large as Google's? > - Email: remember how much space Hotmail and Yahoo used to give users > before Gmail upped the game? > - Maps: remember how crappy Mapquest was before Google Maps came in? > And that's even before you consider StreetView. > - Maps: anything remotely resembling Google Earth, at that cost? > - GPS navigation: turn-by-turn for free? > - Research: online search was mostly considered a "done deal" by the > major contenders (Yahoo, Inktomi, etc etc) before Google upended everything > with a radically new system (which also included image search) > - Data-mining: the standard wisdom relied on a small corpus of text to > build complex, and hopefully complete, models on. Peter Norvig advocates > huge corpuses and largely dispenses with complex/complete models (whether in > translation, spell-check, entity-recognition etc). > - Photos: anything remotely resembling Picasa, for the price and > features? > This isn't really about Google, but rather about the success of a very > different business model on a humongous scale. Unfortunately, we don't seem > to realize the privacy implications to the consumer.... until it's too late. > Previously, most of these apps would have cost you dollars. Now they > cost advertisers dollars and you don't pay any cash. Of course, you pay in > other ways (the information you give, the loss of privacy etc etc). The > bigger worry is in a single player having sizeable influence in such a > wide-spectrum of technological life. For now Google may be a benevolent > monopoly, but for how long? > Saidi > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com
> wrote: >> >> It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I >> think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for desktop computers >> to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone. >> >> Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is king >> in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone and >> Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company with maybe >> the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape the way Apple >> has, Google does not even come close. >> >> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. >> Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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I wouldnt underestimate Apple just yet. Apple release game changers and their ecosystem has been systematically growing and so has their following.Microsoft is a behemoth, many times the size of either google or apple. their strategy is to dominate by appealing to the masses and using their size to influence governments and large corporations. And locking people in through what can sometimes be termed unfair practises. Apple have until recently appealed to elitists and even the iphone is only a mass market product in the US. Its still somehow a premium product. And their profitability is massive. I rarely see the 3 players as direct competitors coz their offerings are different, they just do it on similar platforms. I think the battle is in the minds of the press and us but each company has a very clear strategy for survival and winning If it was a race?Id put my bet on apple winning in the long run, maybe im also obsessed with Jobs and Ive? On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:21 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes Okechuckwu, I am obsessed with the goings on in my field. And so are the many others who author the links I post. They too are obsessed with things they're passionate about.
Isn't that what life is all about? I'll take the reality of passion over the myth of logic... any day of the week.
Saidi
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Saidi - I think you are too obsessed with google to argue logically on anything else, you need to try and see from all perspectives.
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:13 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
And now this: http://goo.gl/ The juggernaut keeps on rolling. Saidi
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Aside from the excitement of a new smartphone, does it worry you that
one
company is "all over the place"?
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Gichingiri Kuria < gmail@gichingiri.com> wrote:
I don't think thats a denial, actually very close to admiting it
2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com>
That's what they all say ;) Apple denied the iPhone... until they announced it.
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I am, >> however, a fan of some of their core technology (I've posted before about >> Peter Norvig's talks on big data and big possibilities). >> Question: what other tech company has successfully implemented an >> ad-supported freemium model on a scale as large as Google's? >> - Email: remember how much space Hotmail and Yahoo used to give users >> before Gmail upped the game? >> - Maps: remember how crappy Mapquest was before Google Maps came in? >> And that's even before you consider StreetView. >> - Maps: anything remotely resembling Google Earth, at that cost? >> - GPS navigation: turn-by-turn for free? >> - Research: online search was mostly considered a "done deal" by the >> major contenders (Yahoo, Inktomi, etc etc) before Google upended everything >> with a radically new system (which also included image search) >> - Data-mining: the standard wisdom relied on a small corpus of text to >> build complex, and hopefully complete, models on. Peter Norvig advocates >> huge corpuses and largely dispenses with complex/complete models (whether in >> translation, spell-check, entity-recognition etc). >> - Photos: anything remotely resembling Picasa, for the price and >> features? >> This isn't really about Google, but rather about the success of a very >> different business model on a humongous scale. Unfortunately, we don't seem >> to realize the privacy implications to the consumer.... until it's too late. >> Previously, most of these apps would have cost you dollars. Now they >> cost advertisers dollars and you don't pay any cash. Of course, you pay in >> other ways (the information you give, the loss of privacy etc etc). The >> bigger worry is in a single player having sizeable influence in such a >> wide-spectrum of technological life. For now Google may be a benevolent >> monopoly, but for how long? >> Saidi >> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Philip Musyoki < pmusyoki@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I >>> think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for desktop computers >>> to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone. >>> >>> Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is king >>> in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone and >>> Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company with maybe >>> the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape the way Apple >>> has, Google does not even come close. >>> >>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. >>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. 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I have a friend who bought the google adriod, damn he even installed mysql and it even has compiz. N97 and iphones are all going to hell. Just some thoughts ./Chuks On 12/15/09, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
I wouldnt underestimate Apple just yet. Apple release game changers and their ecosystem has been systematically growing and so has their following.Microsoft is a behemoth, many times the size of either google or apple. their strategy is to dominate by appealing to the masses and using their size to influence governments and large corporations. And locking people in through what can sometimes be termed unfair practises. Apple have until recently appealed to elitists and even the iphone is only a mass market product in the US. Its still somehow a premium product. And their profitability is massive.
I rarely see the 3 players as direct competitors coz their offerings are different, they just do it on similar platforms. I think the battle is in the minds of the press and us but each company has a very clear strategy for survival and winning
If it was a race?Id put my bet on apple winning in the long run, maybe im also obsessed with Jobs and Ive?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:21 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes Okechuckwu, I am obsessed with the goings on in my field. And so are the many others who author the links I post. They too are obsessed with things they're passionate about.
Isn't that what life is all about? I'll take the reality of passion over the myth of logic... any day of the week.
Saidi
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Saidi - I think you are too obsessed with google to argue logically on anything else, you need to try and see from all perspectives.
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:13 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
And now this: http://goo.gl/ The juggernaut keeps on rolling. Saidi
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Aside from the excitement of a new smartphone, does it worry you that
one
company is "all over the place"?
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Gichingiri Kuria < gmail@gichingiri.com> wrote:
I don't think thats a denial, actually very close to admiting it
2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> > > That's what they all say ;) > Apple denied the iPhone... until they announced it. > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <
gmail@gichingiri.com>
> wrote: >> >> >> http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2009/12/android-dogfood-diet-for-holidays.h... >> >> >> >> 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has >>>> changed >>>> the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close. >>>> >>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. >>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all. >>> >>> Interesting comment. You seem to imply that it's not even a battle at >>> all. Google it and you'll find that quite a number think it's a battle of >>> the titans. Question is: why is Microsoft missing in action? What tricks >>> does Steve Ballmer (or whoever succeeds him once the board fires him) have >>> up his sleeve? >>> Google's focus isn't really search, it is advertising. They're >>> just >>> good at leveraging search to increase their ad revenue. There's a lot about >>> Google's practices that I don't like, privacy being top of the list. I am, >>> however, a fan of some of their core technology (I've posted >>> before about >>> Peter Norvig's talks on big data and big possibilities). >>> Question: what other tech company has successfully implemented an >>> ad-supported freemium model on a scale as large as Google's? >>> - Email: remember how much space Hotmail and Yahoo used to give users >>> before Gmail upped the game? >>> - Maps: remember how crappy Mapquest was before Google Maps came in? >>> And that's even before you consider StreetView. >>> - Maps: anything remotely resembling Google Earth, at that cost? >>> - GPS navigation: turn-by-turn for free? >>> - Research: online search was mostly considered a "done deal" by the >>> major contenders (Yahoo, Inktomi, etc etc) before Google upended everything >>> with a radically new system (which also included image search) >>> - Data-mining: the standard wisdom relied on a small corpus of >>> text to >>> build complex, and hopefully complete, models on. Peter Norvig advocates >>> huge corpuses and largely dispenses with complex/complete models (whether in >>> translation, spell-check, entity-recognition etc). >>> - Photos: anything remotely resembling Picasa, for the price and >>> features? >>> This isn't really about Google, but rather about the success of a very >>> different business model on a humongous scale. Unfortunately, we don't seem >>> to realize the privacy implications to the consumer.... until it's too late. >>> Previously, most of these apps would have cost you dollars. Now they >>> cost advertisers dollars and you don't pay any cash. Of course, >>> you pay in >>> other ways (the information you give, the loss of privacy etc >>> etc). The >>> bigger worry is in a single player having sizeable influence in such a >>> wide-spectrum of technological life. For now Google may be a benevolent >>> monopoly, but for how long? >>> Saidi >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Philip Musyoki < pmusyoki@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I >>>> think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for >>>> desktop computers >>>> to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone. >>>> >>>> Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is king >>>> in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone and >>>> Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company with maybe >>>> the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape >>>> the way Apple >>>> has, Google does not even come close. >>>> >>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. >>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. 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How many non techies have you seen with android phones? On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a friend who bought the google adriod, damn he even installed mysql and it even has compiz. N97 and iphones are all going to hell.
Just some thoughts
./Chuks
On 12/15/09, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
I wouldnt underestimate Apple just yet. Apple release game changers and their ecosystem has been systematically growing and so has their following.Microsoft is a behemoth, many times the size of either google or apple. their strategy is to dominate by appealing to the masses and using their size to influence governments and large corporations. And locking people in through what can sometimes be termed unfair practises. Apple have until recently appealed to elitists and even the iphone is only a mass market product in the US. Its still somehow a premium product. And their profitability is massive.
I rarely see the 3 players as direct competitors coz their offerings are different, they just do it on similar platforms. I think the battle is in the minds of the press and us but each company has a very clear strategy for survival and winning
If it was a race?Id put my bet on apple winning in the long run, maybe im also obsessed with Jobs and Ive?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:21 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes Okechuckwu, I am obsessed with the goings on in my field. And so are the many others who author the links I post. They too are obsessed with things they're passionate about.
Isn't that what life is all about? I'll take the reality of passion over the myth of logic... any day of the week.
Saidi
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Saidi - I think you are too obsessed with google to argue logically on anything else, you need to try and see from all perspectives.
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:13 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
And now this: http://goo.gl/ The juggernaut keeps on rolling. Saidi
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Aside from the excitement of a new smartphone, does it worry you
that one
company is "all over the place"?
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Gichingiri Kuria < gmail@gichingiri.com> wrote: > > I don't think thats a denial, actually very close to admiting it > > > 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> >> >> That's what they all say ;) >> Apple denied the iPhone... until they announced it. >> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Gichingiri Kuria < gmail@gichingiri.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>>
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>>> >>> >>> >>> 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has >>>>> changed >>>>> the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close. >>>>> >>>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. >>>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all. >>>> >>>> Interesting comment. You seem to imply that it's not even a battle at >>>> all. Google it and you'll find that quite a number think it's a battle of >>>> the titans. Question is: why is Microsoft missing in action? What tricks >>>> does Steve Ballmer (or whoever succeeds him once the board fires him) have >>>> up his sleeve? >>>> Google's focus isn't really search, it is advertising. They're >>>> just >>>> good at leveraging search to increase their ad revenue. There's a lot about >>>> Google's practices that I don't like, privacy being top of the list. I am, >>>> however, a fan of some of their core technology (I've posted >>>> before about >>>> Peter Norvig's talks on big data and big possibilities). >>>> Question: what other tech company has successfully implemented an >>>> ad-supported freemium model on a scale as large as Google's? >>>> - Email: remember how much space Hotmail and Yahoo used to give users >>>> before Gmail upped the game? >>>> - Maps: remember how crappy Mapquest was before Google Maps came in? >>>> And that's even before you consider StreetView. >>>> - Maps: anything remotely resembling Google Earth, at that cost? >>>> - GPS navigation: turn-by-turn for free? >>>> - Research: online search was mostly considered a "done deal" by the >>>> major contenders (Yahoo, Inktomi, etc etc) before Google upended everything >>>> with a radically new system (which also included image search) >>>> - Data-mining: the standard wisdom relied on a small corpus of >>>> text to >>>> build complex, and hopefully complete, models on. Peter Norvig advocates >>>> huge corpuses and largely dispenses with complex/complete models (whether in >>>> translation, spell-check, entity-recognition etc). >>>> - Photos: anything remotely resembling Picasa, for the price and >>>> features? >>>> This isn't really about Google, but rather about the success of a very >>>> different business model on a humongous scale. Unfortunately, we don't seem >>>> to realize the privacy implications to the consumer.... until it's too late. >>>> Previously, most of these apps would have cost you dollars. Now they >>>> cost advertisers dollars and you don't pay any cash. Of course, >>>> you pay in >>>> other ways (the information you give, the loss of privacy etc >>>> etc). The >>>> bigger worry is in a single player having sizeable influence in such a >>>> wide-spectrum of technological life. For now Google may be a benevolent >>>> monopoly, but for how long? >>>> Saidi >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Philip Musyoki < pmusyoki@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I >>>>> think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for >>>>> desktop computers >>>>> to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone. >>>>> >>>>> Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is king >>>>> in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone and >>>>> Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company with maybe >>>>> the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape >>>>> the way Apple >>>>> has, Google does not even come close. >>>>> >>>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. >>>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >>>>> >>>>>
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Easily many, many, many. I see them on the bus all the time. For some reason it seems like it's always teenagers who are using them. On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
How many non techies have you seen with android phones?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a friend who bought the google adriod, damn he even installed mysql and it even has compiz. N97 and iphones are all going to hell.
Just some thoughts
./Chuks
On 12/15/09, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
I wouldnt underestimate Apple just yet. Apple release game changers and their ecosystem has been systematically growing and so has their following.Microsoft is a behemoth, many times the size of either google or apple. their strategy is to dominate by appealing to the masses and using their size to influence governments and large corporations. And locking people in through what can sometimes be termed unfair practises. Apple have until recently appealed to elitists and even the iphone is only a mass market product in the US. Its still somehow a premium product. And their profitability is massive.
I rarely see the 3 players as direct competitors coz their offerings are different, they just do it on similar platforms. I think the battle is in the minds of the press and us but each company has a very clear strategy for survival and winning
If it was a race?Id put my bet on apple winning in the long run, maybe im also obsessed with Jobs and Ive?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:21 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes Okechuckwu, I am obsessed with the goings on in my field. And so are the many others who author the links I post. They too are obsessed with things they're passionate about.
Isn't that what life is all about? I'll take the reality of passion over the myth of logic... any day of the week.
Saidi
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Saidi - I think you are too obsessed with google to argue logically on anything else, you need to try and see from all perspectives.
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:13 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
And now this: http://goo.gl/ The juggernaut keeps on rolling. Saidi
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote: > > Aside from the excitement of a new smartphone, does it worry you that one > company is "all over the place"? > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Gichingiri Kuria < gmail@gichingiri.com> > wrote: >> >> I don't think thats a denial, actually very close to admiting it >> >> >> 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> >>> >>> That's what they all say ;) >>> Apple denied the iPhone... until they announced it. >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Gichingiri Kuria < gmail@gichingiri.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>
http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2009/12/android-dogfood-diet-for-holidays.h...
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has >>>>>> changed >>>>>> the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. >>>>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all. >>>>> >>>>> Interesting comment. You seem to imply that it's not even a battle at >>>>> all. Google it and you'll find that quite a number think it's a battle of >>>>> the titans. Question is: why is Microsoft missing in action? What tricks >>>>> does Steve Ballmer (or whoever succeeds him once the board fires him) have >>>>> up his sleeve? >>>>> Google's focus isn't really search, it is advertising. They're >>>>> just >>>>> good at leveraging search to increase their ad revenue. There's a lot about >>>>> Google's practices that I don't like, privacy being top of the list. I am, >>>>> however, a fan of some of their core technology (I've posted >>>>> before about >>>>> Peter Norvig's talks on big data and big possibilities). >>>>> Question: what other tech company has successfully implemented an >>>>> ad-supported freemium model on a scale as large as Google's? >>>>> - Email: remember how much space Hotmail and Yahoo used to give users >>>>> before Gmail upped the game? >>>>> - Maps: remember how crappy Mapquest was before Google Maps came in? >>>>> And that's even before you consider StreetView. >>>>> - Maps: anything remotely resembling Google Earth, at that cost? >>>>> - GPS navigation: turn-by-turn for free? >>>>> - Research: online search was mostly considered a "done deal" by the >>>>> major contenders (Yahoo, Inktomi, etc etc) before Google upended everything >>>>> with a radically new system (which also included image search) >>>>> - Data-mining: the standard wisdom relied on a small corpus of >>>>> text to >>>>> build complex, and hopefully complete, models on. Peter Norvig advocates >>>>> huge corpuses and largely dispenses with complex/complete models (whether in >>>>> translation, spell-check, entity-recognition etc). >>>>> - Photos: anything remotely resembling Picasa, for the price and >>>>> features? >>>>> This isn't really about Google, but rather about the success of a very >>>>> different business model on a humongous scale. Unfortunately, we don't seem >>>>> to realize the privacy implications to the consumer.... until it's too late. >>>>> Previously, most of these apps would have cost you dollars. Now they >>>>> cost advertisers dollars and you don't pay any cash. Of course, >>>>> you pay in >>>>> other ways (the information you give, the loss of privacy etc >>>>> etc). The >>>>> bigger worry is in a single player having sizeable influence in such a >>>>> wide-spectrum of technological life. For now Google may be a benevolent >>>>> monopoly, but for how long? >>>>> Saidi >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Philip Musyoki < pmusyoki@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I >>>>>> think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for >>>>>> desktop computers >>>>>> to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone. >>>>>> >>>>>> Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is king >>>>>> in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone and >>>>>> Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company with maybe >>>>>> the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape >>>>>> the way Apple >>>>>> has, Google does not even come close. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. >>>>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >>>>>> >>>>>>
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@ chucks ... now that i'd like to hack on the android... :) -- Josiah Mugambi Ogden Nash <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/o/ogden_nash.html> - "The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat." On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a friend who bought the google adriod, damn he even installed mysql and it even has compiz. N97 and iphones are all going to hell.
Just some thoughts
./Chuks
On 12/15/09, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
I wouldnt underestimate Apple just yet. Apple release game changers and their ecosystem has been systematically growing and so has their following.Microsoft is a behemoth, many times the size of either google or apple. their strategy is to dominate by appealing to the masses and using their size to influence governments and large corporations. And locking people in through what can sometimes be termed unfair practises. Apple have until recently appealed to elitists and even the iphone is only a mass market product in the US. Its still somehow a premium product. And their profitability is massive.
I rarely see the 3 players as direct competitors coz their offerings are different, they just do it on similar platforms. I think the battle is in the minds of the press and us but each company has a very clear strategy for survival and winning
If it was a race?Id put my bet on apple winning in the long run, maybe im also obsessed with Jobs and Ive?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:21 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes Okechuckwu, I am obsessed with the goings on in my field. And so are the many others who author the links I post. They too are obsessed with things they're passionate about.
Isn't that what life is all about? I'll take the reality of passion over the myth of logic... any day of the week.
Saidi
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Saidi - I think you are too obsessed with google to argue logically on anything else, you need to try and see from all perspectives.
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:13 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
And now this: http://goo.gl/ The juggernaut keeps on rolling. Saidi
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Aside from the excitement of a new smartphone, does it worry you
that one
company is "all over the place"?
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Gichingiri Kuria < gmail@gichingiri.com> wrote: > > I don't think thats a denial, actually very close to admiting it > > > 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> >> >> That's what they all say ;) >> Apple denied the iPhone... until they announced it. >> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Gichingiri Kuria < gmail@gichingiri.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>>
http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2009/12/android-dogfood-diet-for-holidays.h...
>>> >>> >>> >>> 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has >>>>> changed >>>>> the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close. >>>>> >>>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. >>>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all. >>>> >>>> Interesting comment. You seem to imply that it's not even a battle at >>>> all. Google it and you'll find that quite a number think it's a battle of >>>> the titans. Question is: why is Microsoft missing in action? What tricks >>>> does Steve Ballmer (or whoever succeeds him once the board fires him) have >>>> up his sleeve? >>>> Google's focus isn't really search, it is advertising. They're >>>> just >>>> good at leveraging search to increase their ad revenue. There's a lot about >>>> Google's practices that I don't like, privacy being top of the list. I am, >>>> however, a fan of some of their core technology (I've posted >>>> before about >>>> Peter Norvig's talks on big data and big possibilities). >>>> Question: what other tech company has successfully implemented an >>>> ad-supported freemium model on a scale as large as Google's? >>>> - Email: remember how much space Hotmail and Yahoo used to give users >>>> before Gmail upped the game? >>>> - Maps: remember how crappy Mapquest was before Google Maps came in? >>>> And that's even before you consider StreetView. >>>> - Maps: anything remotely resembling Google Earth, at that cost? >>>> - GPS navigation: turn-by-turn for free? >>>> - Research: online search was mostly considered a "done deal" by the >>>> major contenders (Yahoo, Inktomi, etc etc) before Google upended everything >>>> with a radically new system (which also included image search) >>>> - Data-mining: the standard wisdom relied on a small corpus of >>>> text to >>>> build complex, and hopefully complete, models on. Peter Norvig advocates >>>> huge corpuses and largely dispenses with complex/complete models (whether in >>>> translation, spell-check, entity-recognition etc). >>>> - Photos: anything remotely resembling Picasa, for the price and >>>> features? >>>> This isn't really about Google, but rather about the success of a very >>>> different business model on a humongous scale. Unfortunately, we don't seem >>>> to realize the privacy implications to the consumer.... until it's too late. >>>> Previously, most of these apps would have cost you dollars. Now they >>>> cost advertisers dollars and you don't pay any cash. Of course, >>>> you pay in >>>> other ways (the information you give, the loss of privacy etc >>>> etc). The >>>> bigger worry is in a single player having sizeable influence in such a >>>> wide-spectrum of technological life. For now Google may be a benevolent >>>> monopoly, but for how long? >>>> Saidi >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Philip Musyoki < pmusyoki@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I >>>>> think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for >>>>> desktop computers >>>>> to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone. >>>>> >>>>> Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is king >>>>> in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone and >>>>> Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company with maybe >>>>> the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape >>>>> the way Apple >>>>> has, Google does not even come close. >>>>> >>>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. >>>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >>>>> >>>>>
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What many people forget is that the iPhone is not a phone, it is a lifestyle. The Android can run mySQL or whatever other clichè is in fashion but it will never have the appeal of the iPhone. The iPhone is going nowhere. You forgot to say that the iPhone has like 100k application it runs which the Android does not. But no one says the Android is doomed. Sent from my iPhone On 15 Dec 2009, at 09:48, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> wrote:
@ chucks ... now that i'd like to hack on the android... :) -- Josiah Mugambi Ogden Nash - "The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat."
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia <chuksjonia@gmail.com
wrote: I have a friend who bought the google adriod, damn he even installed mysql and it even has compiz. N97 and iphones are all going to hell.
Just some thoughts
./Chuks
On 12/15/09, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
I wouldnt underestimate Apple just yet. Apple release game changers and their ecosystem has been systematically growing and so has their following.Microsoft is a behemoth, many times the size of either google or apple. their strategy is to dominate by appealing to the masses and using their size to influence governments and large corporations. And locking people in through what can sometimes be termed unfair practises. Apple have until recently appealed to elitists and even the iphone is only a mass market product in the US. Its still somehow a premium product. And their profitability is massive.
I rarely see the 3 players as direct competitors coz their offerings are different, they just do it on similar platforms. I think the battle is in the minds of the press and us but each company has a very clear strategy for survival and winning
If it was a race?Id put my bet on apple winning in the long run, maybe im also obsessed with Jobs and Ive?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:21 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes Okechuckwu, I am obsessed with the goings on in my field. And so are the many others who author the links I post. They too are obsessed with things they're passionate about.
Isn't that what life is all about? I'll take the reality of passion over the myth of logic... any day of the week.
Saidi
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Saidi - I think you are too obsessed with google to argue logically on anything else, you need to try and see from all perspectives.
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:13 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
And now this: http://goo.gl/ The juggernaut keeps on rolling. Saidi
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com
wrote:
Aside from the excitement of a new smartphone, does it worry
you that one
company is "all over the place"?
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Gichingiri Kuria < gmail@gichingiri.com> wrote: > > I don't think thats a denial, actually very close to admiting it > > > 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> >> >> That's what they all say ;) >> Apple denied the iPhone... until they announced it. >> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Gichingiri Kuria < gmail@gichingiri.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2009/12/android-dogfood-diet-for-holidays.h... >>> >>> >>> >>> 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has >>>>> changed >>>>> the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close. >>>>> >>>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. >>>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all. >>>> >>>> Interesting comment. You seem to imply that it's not even a battle at >>>> all. Google it and you'll find that quite a number think it's a battle of >>>> the titans. Question is: why is Microsoft missing in action? What tricks >>>> does Steve Ballmer (or whoever succeeds him once the board fires him) have >>>> up his sleeve? >>>> Google's focus isn't really search, it is advertising. They're >>>> just >>>> good at leveraging search to increase their ad revenue. There's a lot about >>>> Google's practices that I don't like, privacy being top of the list. I am, >>>> however, a fan of some of their core technology (I've posted >>>> before about >>>> Peter Norvig's talks on big data and big possibilities). >>>> Question: what other tech company has successfully implemented an >>>> ad-supported freemium model on a scale as large as Google's? >>>> - Email: remember how much space Hotmail and Yahoo used to give users >>>> before Gmail upped the game? >>>> - Maps: remember how crappy Mapquest was before Google Maps came in? >>>> And that's even before you consider StreetView. >>>> - Maps: anything remotely resembling Google Earth, at that cost? >>>> - GPS navigation: turn-by-turn for free? >>>> - Research: online search was mostly considered a "done deal" by the >>>> major contenders (Yahoo, Inktomi, etc etc) before Google upended everything >>>> with a radically new system (which also included image search) >>>> - Data-mining: the standard wisdom relied on a small corpus of >>>> text to >>>> build complex, and hopefully complete, models on. Peter Norvig advocates >>>> huge corpuses and largely dispenses with complex/complete models (whether in >>>> translation, spell-check, entity-recognition etc). >>>> - Photos: anything remotely resembling Picasa, for the price and >>>> features? >>>> This isn't really about Google, but rather about the success of a very >>>> different business model on a humongous scale. Unfortunately, we don't seem >>>> to realize the privacy implications to the consumer.... until it's too late. >>>> Previously, most of these apps would have cost you dollars. Now they >>>> cost advertisers dollars and you don't pay any cash. Of course, >>>> you pay in >>>> other ways (the information you give, the loss of privacy etc >>>> etc). The >>>> bigger worry is in a single player having sizeable influence in such a >>>> wide-spectrum of technological life. For now Google may be a benevolent >>>> monopoly, but for how long? >>>> Saidi >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Philip Musyoki < pmusyoki@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I >>>>> think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for >>>>> desktop computers >>>>> to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone. >>>>> >>>>> Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is king >>>>> in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone and >>>>> Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company with maybe >>>>> the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape >>>>> the way Apple >>>>> has, Google does not even come close. >>>>> >>>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. >>>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. 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People, how can one talk of Google, Microsoft and Apple in the same context? Its like comparing guavas, mangoes and apricots! Google is the king of advertising<http://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-now-controls-69-of-online-advertising-market/6632/>, much as I hate to admit it, microsoft is the king of the desktop OS<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems>, and Apple computer, well, they have their fingers in a lil bit of everything; hardware, OS, smart phone (hardware and OS), music players. Therefore, to have a factual discussion, compare the iPod to the Zune, iPhone to Android (M$ still sticking to windows mobile), MacOs to Windows OS, Google Search to Bing etc Anything other than that is merely one expressing their opinion, which i am told are like noses, coz everyone has his. I found this businessweek article<http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_14/b3978407.htm>to have interesting opinions On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> wrote:
@ chucks ... now that i'd like to hack on the android... :) -- Josiah Mugambi Ogden Nash <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/o/ogden_nash.html> - "The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat."
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a friend who bought the google adriod, damn he even installed mysql and it even has compiz. N97 and iphones are all going to hell.
Just some thoughts
./Chuks
On 12/15/09, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
I wouldnt underestimate Apple just yet. Apple release game changers and their ecosystem has been systematically growing and so has their following.Microsoft is a behemoth, many times the size of either google or apple. their strategy is to dominate by appealing to the masses and using their size to influence governments and large corporations. And locking people in through what can sometimes be termed unfair practises. Apple have until recently appealed to elitists and even the iphone is only a mass market product in the US. Its still somehow a premium product. And their profitability is massive.
I rarely see the 3 players as direct competitors coz their offerings are different, they just do it on similar platforms. I think the battle is in the minds of the press and us but each company has a very clear strategy for survival and winning
If it was a race?Id put my bet on apple winning in the long run, maybe im also obsessed with Jobs and Ive?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:21 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes Okechuckwu, I am obsessed with the goings on in my field. And so are the many others who author the links I post. They too are obsessed with things they're passionate about.
Isn't that what life is all about? I'll take the reality of passion over the myth of logic... any day of the week.
Saidi
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Saidi - I think you are too obsessed with google to argue logically on anything else, you need to try and see from all perspectives.
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:13 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
And now this: http://goo.gl/ The juggernaut keeps on rolling. Saidi
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote: > > Aside from the excitement of a new smartphone, does it worry you that one > company is "all over the place"? > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Gichingiri Kuria < gmail@gichingiri.com> > wrote: >> >> I don't think thats a denial, actually very close to admiting it >> >> >> 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> >>> >>> That's what they all say ;) >>> Apple denied the iPhone... until they announced it. >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Gichingiri Kuria < gmail@gichingiri.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>
http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2009/12/android-dogfood-diet-for-holidays.h...
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>> No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has >>>>>> changed >>>>>> the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. >>>>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all. >>>>> >>>>> Interesting comment. You seem to imply that it's not even a battle at >>>>> all. Google it and you'll find that quite a number think it's a battle of >>>>> the titans. Question is: why is Microsoft missing in action? What tricks >>>>> does Steve Ballmer (or whoever succeeds him once the board fires him) have >>>>> up his sleeve? >>>>> Google's focus isn't really search, it is advertising. They're >>>>> just >>>>> good at leveraging search to increase their ad revenue. There's a lot about >>>>> Google's practices that I don't like, privacy being top of the list. I am, >>>>> however, a fan of some of their core technology (I've posted >>>>> before about >>>>> Peter Norvig's talks on big data and big possibilities). >>>>> Question: what other tech company has successfully implemented an >>>>> ad-supported freemium model on a scale as large as Google's? >>>>> - Email: remember how much space Hotmail and Yahoo used to give users >>>>> before Gmail upped the game? >>>>> - Maps: remember how crappy Mapquest was before Google Maps came in? >>>>> And that's even before you consider StreetView. >>>>> - Maps: anything remotely resembling Google Earth, at that cost? >>>>> - GPS navigation: turn-by-turn for free? >>>>> - Research: online search was mostly considered a "done deal" by the >>>>> major contenders (Yahoo, Inktomi, etc etc) before Google upended everything >>>>> with a radically new system (which also included image search) >>>>> - Data-mining: the standard wisdom relied on a small corpus of >>>>> text to >>>>> build complex, and hopefully complete, models on. Peter Norvig advocates >>>>> huge corpuses and largely dispenses with complex/complete models (whether in >>>>> translation, spell-check, entity-recognition etc). >>>>> - Photos: anything remotely resembling Picasa, for the price and >>>>> features? >>>>> This isn't really about Google, but rather about the success of a very >>>>> different business model on a humongous scale. Unfortunately, we don't seem >>>>> to realize the privacy implications to the consumer.... until it's too late. >>>>> Previously, most of these apps would have cost you dollars. Now they >>>>> cost advertisers dollars and you don't pay any cash. Of course, >>>>> you pay in >>>>> other ways (the information you give, the loss of privacy etc >>>>> etc). The >>>>> bigger worry is in a single player having sizeable influence in such a >>>>> wide-spectrum of technological life. For now Google may be a benevolent >>>>> monopoly, but for how long? >>>>> Saidi >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Philip Musyoki < pmusyoki@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I >>>>>> think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for >>>>>> desktop computers >>>>>> to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone. >>>>>> >>>>>> Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is king >>>>>> in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone and >>>>>> Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company with maybe >>>>>> the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape >>>>>> the way Apple >>>>>> has, Google does not even come close. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. >>>>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >>>>>> >>>>>>
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I found this businessweek article<http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_14/b3978407.htm> to have interesting opinions
Is that article really from April 2006? People, how can one talk of Google, Microsoft and Apple in the same context?
Its like comparing guavas, mangoes and apricots!
They're all fruits, aren't they? ;) And there's nothing stopping a guava vendor from using their dominance in guavas to enter into the apricots app store. Infact, a smart business person would do just that. Look at Amazon: EC2 and their other cloud-computing offerings were built on books (the physical kind). They used their dominance in guavas to enter the apricot market. That's exactly what Safaricom is doing as well, they started out as purely telecom... what are they now? Tech folks need to think beyond the niche market they have (or are trying to) conquer. Otherwise you'll be blindsided by someone who uses their dominance of a totally unrelated area to muscle you out of your turf. Saidi On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
People, how can one talk of Google, Microsoft and Apple in the same context? Its like comparing guavas, mangoes and apricots! Google is the king of advertising<http://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-now-controls-69-of-online-advertising-market/6632/>, much as I hate to admit it, microsoft is the king of the desktop OS<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems>, and Apple computer, well, they have their fingers in a lil bit of everything; hardware, OS, smart phone (hardware and OS), music players.
Therefore, to have a factual discussion, compare the iPod to the Zune, iPhone to Android (M$ still sticking to windows mobile), MacOs to Windows OS, Google Search to Bing etc
Anything other than that is merely one expressing their opinion, which i am told are like noses, coz everyone has his.
I found this businessweek article<http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_14/b3978407.htm>to have interesting opinions
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@ chucks ... now that i'd like to hack on the android... :) -- Josiah Mugambi Ogden Nash <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/o/ogden_nash.html> - "The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat."
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a friend who bought the google adriod, damn he even installed mysql and it even has compiz. N97 and iphones are all going to hell.
Just some thoughts
./Chuks
On 12/15/09, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
I wouldnt underestimate Apple just yet. Apple release game changers and their ecosystem has been systematically growing and so has their following.Microsoft is a behemoth, many times the size of either google or apple. their strategy is to dominate by appealing to the masses and using their size to influence governments and large corporations. And locking people in through what can sometimes be termed unfair practises. Apple have until recently appealed to elitists and even the iphone is only a mass market product in the US. Its still somehow a premium product. And their profitability is massive.
I rarely see the 3 players as direct competitors coz their offerings are different, they just do it on similar platforms. I think the battle is in the minds of the press and us but each company has a very clear strategy for survival and winning
If it was a race?Id put my bet on apple winning in the long run, maybe im also obsessed with Jobs and Ive?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:21 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes Okechuckwu, I am obsessed with the goings on in my field. And so are the many others who author the links I post. They too are obsessed with things they're passionate about.
Isn't that what life is all about? I'll take the reality of passion over the myth of logic... any day of the week.
Saidi
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Saidi - I think you are too obsessed with google to argue logically on anything else, you need to try and see from all perspectives.
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:13 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote: > And now this: > http://goo.gl/ > The juggernaut keeps on rolling. > Saidi > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Aside from the excitement of a new smartphone, does it worry you that one >> company is "all over the place"? >> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Gichingiri Kuria < gmail@gichingiri.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I don't think thats a denial, actually very close to admiting it >>> >>> >>> 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> >>>> >>>> That's what they all say ;) >>>> Apple denied the iPhone... until they announced it. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Gichingiri Kuria < gmail@gichingiri.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>
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>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has >>>>>>> changed >>>>>>> the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even come close. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. >>>>>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all. >>>>>> >>>>>> Interesting comment. You seem to imply that it's not even a battle at >>>>>> all. Google it and you'll find that quite a number think it's a battle of >>>>>> the titans. Question is: why is Microsoft missing in action? What tricks >>>>>> does Steve Ballmer (or whoever succeeds him once the board fires him) have >>>>>> up his sleeve? >>>>>> Google's focus isn't really search, it is advertising. They're >>>>>> just >>>>>> good at leveraging search to increase their ad revenue. There's a lot about >>>>>> Google's practices that I don't like, privacy being top of the list. I am, >>>>>> however, a fan of some of their core technology (I've posted >>>>>> before about >>>>>> Peter Norvig's talks on big data and big possibilities). >>>>>> Question: what other tech company has successfully implemented an >>>>>> ad-supported freemium model on a scale as large as Google's? >>>>>> - Email: remember how much space Hotmail and Yahoo used to give users >>>>>> before Gmail upped the game? >>>>>> - Maps: remember how crappy Mapquest was before Google Maps came in? >>>>>> And that's even before you consider StreetView. >>>>>> - Maps: anything remotely resembling Google Earth, at that cost? >>>>>> - GPS navigation: turn-by-turn for free? >>>>>> - Research: online search was mostly considered a "done deal" by the >>>>>> major contenders (Yahoo, Inktomi, etc etc) before Google upended everything >>>>>> with a radically new system (which also included image search) >>>>>> - Data-mining: the standard wisdom relied on a small corpus of >>>>>> text to >>>>>> build complex, and hopefully complete, models on. Peter Norvig advocates >>>>>> huge corpuses and largely dispenses with complex/complete models (whether in >>>>>> translation, spell-check, entity-recognition etc). >>>>>> - Photos: anything remotely resembling Picasa, for the price and >>>>>> features? >>>>>> This isn't really about Google, but rather about the success of a very >>>>>> different business model on a humongous scale. Unfortunately, we don't seem >>>>>> to realize the privacy implications to the consumer.... until it's too late. >>>>>> Previously, most of these apps would have cost you dollars. Now they >>>>>> cost advertisers dollars and you don't pay any cash. Of course, >>>>>> you pay in >>>>>> other ways (the information you give, the loss of privacy etc >>>>>> etc). The >>>>>> bigger worry is in a single player having sizeable influence in such a >>>>>> wide-spectrum of technological life. For now Google may be a benevolent >>>>>> monopoly, but for how long? >>>>>> Saidi >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Philip Musyoki < pmusyoki@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I >>>>>>> think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for >>>>>>> desktop computers >>>>>>> to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is king >>>>>>> in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone and >>>>>>> Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company with maybe >>>>>>> the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape >>>>>>> the way Apple >>>>>>> has, Google does not even come close. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. >>>>>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >>>>>>> >>>>>>>
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Lets leave tech matters awhile and look at those 3 like a tech savvy investor; Google makes much of its money from advertising; revenue for the fiscal year 2008 was USD$21,795,550,000 <http://investor.google.com/fin_data.html>. (21 billion) Microsoft's cash cow is its OSes and office suite, revenue in 2008 was USD$*60,420*,000,000<http://www.microsoft.com/msft/reports/ar08/10k_fh_fin.html>. (60 billion). Apple Inc revenue for 2008 was USD$ 32,479,000,000<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_computer>. (32 billion), most of it, 44%, from Macs. All three companies are computer companies (i.e. fruits) but they derive their fruitiness from rather different sources, advertising, operating systems and a combination of operating systems and hardware. But you are right saidi, nothing stopped Microsoft from venturing into the Zune, probably nothing will prevent them from coming up with their own hardware. Clearly, nothing is stopping Google in their foray into the operating systems arena. As a tech savvy investor, what I would ask myself then before pouring my money into shares of any of the three is; suppose Google starts selling operating system and office software, will its shares perform better than Microsofts? On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:05 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
I found this businessweek article<http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_14/b3978407.htm> to
have interesting opinions
Is that article really from April 2006?
People, how can one talk of Google, Microsoft and Apple in the same
context? Its like comparing guavas, mangoes and apricots!
They're all fruits, aren't they? ;)
And there's nothing stopping a guava vendor from using their dominance in guavas to enter into the apricots app store. Infact, a smart business person would do just that. Look at Amazon: EC2 and their other cloud-computing offerings were built on books (the physical kind). They used their dominance in guavas to enter the apricot market. That's exactly what Safaricom is doing as well, they started out as purely telecom... what are they now?
Tech folks need to think beyond the niche market they have (or are trying to) conquer. Otherwise you'll be blindsided by someone who uses their dominance of a totally unrelated area to muscle you out of your turf.
Saidi
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
People, how can one talk of Google, Microsoft and Apple in the same context? Its like comparing guavas, mangoes and apricots! Google is the king of advertising<http://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-now-controls-69-of-online-advertising-market/6632/>, much as I hate to admit it, microsoft is the king of the desktop OS<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems>, and Apple computer, well, they have their fingers in a lil bit of everything; hardware, OS, smart phone (hardware and OS), music players.
Therefore, to have a factual discussion, compare the iPod to the Zune, iPhone to Android (M$ still sticking to windows mobile), MacOs to Windows OS, Google Search to Bing etc
Anything other than that is merely one expressing their opinion, which i am told are like noses, coz everyone has his.
I found this businessweek article<http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_14/b3978407.htm>to have interesting opinions
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com>wrote:
@ chucks ... now that i'd like to hack on the android... :) -- Josiah Mugambi Ogden Nash <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/o/ogden_nash.html> - "The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat."
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a friend who bought the google adriod, damn he even installed mysql and it even has compiz. N97 and iphones are all going to hell.
Just some thoughts
./Chuks
On 12/15/09, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
I wouldnt underestimate Apple just yet. Apple release game changers and their ecosystem has been systematically growing and so has their following.Microsoft is a behemoth, many times the size of either google or apple. their strategy is to dominate by appealing to the masses and using their size to influence governments and large corporations. And locking people in through what can sometimes be termed unfair practises. Apple have until recently appealed to elitists and even the iphone is only a mass market product in the US. Its still somehow a premium product. And their profitability is massive.
I rarely see the 3 players as direct competitors coz their offerings are different, they just do it on similar platforms. I think the battle is in the minds of the press and us but each company has a very clear strategy for survival and winning
If it was a race?Id put my bet on apple winning in the long run, maybe im also obsessed with Jobs and Ive?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:21 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes Okechuckwu, I am obsessed with the goings on in my field. And so are the many others who author the links I post. They too are obsessed with things they're passionate about.
Isn't that what life is all about? I'll take the reality of passion over the myth of logic... any day of the week.
Saidi
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> @Saidi - I think you are too obsessed with google to argue logically > on anything else, you need to try and see from all perspectives. > > ./Ok3ch > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:13 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote: > > And now this: > > http://goo.gl/ > > The juggernaut keeps on rolling. > > Saidi > > > > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com
> wrote: > >> > >> Aside from the excitement of a new smartphone, does it worry you that > one > >> company is "all over the place"? > >> > >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Gichingiri Kuria < > gmail@gichingiri.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> I don't think thats a denial, actually very close to admiting it > >>> > >>> > >>> 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> > >>>> > >>>> That's what they all say ;) > >>>> Apple denied the iPhone... until they announced it. > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Gichingiri Kuria < > gmail@gichingiri.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2009/12/android-dogfood-diet-for-holidays.h... > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has > >>>>>>> changed > >>>>>>> the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even > come close. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. > >>>>>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Interesting comment. You seem to imply that it's not even a battle > at > >>>>>> all. Google it and you'll find that quite a number think it's a > battle of > >>>>>> the titans. Question is: why is Microsoft missing in action? What > tricks > >>>>>> does Steve Ballmer (or whoever succeeds him once the board fires > him) have > >>>>>> up his sleeve? > >>>>>> Google's focus isn't really search, it is advertising. They're > >>>>>> just > >>>>>> good at leveraging search to increase their ad revenue. There's a > lot about > >>>>>> Google's practices that I don't like, privacy being top of the > list. I am, > >>>>>> however, a fan of some of their core technology (I've posted > >>>>>> before > about > >>>>>> Peter Norvig's talks on big data and big possibilities). > >>>>>> Question: what other tech company has successfully implemented an > >>>>>> ad-supported freemium model on a scale as large as Google's? > >>>>>> - Email: remember how much space Hotmail and Yahoo used to give > users > >>>>>> before Gmail upped the game? > >>>>>> - Maps: remember how crappy Mapquest was before Google Maps came > in? > >>>>>> And that's even before you consider StreetView. > >>>>>> - Maps: anything remotely resembling Google Earth, at that cost? > >>>>>> - GPS navigation: turn-by-turn for free? > >>>>>> - Research: online search was mostly considered a "done deal" by > the > >>>>>> major contenders (Yahoo, Inktomi, etc etc) before Google upended > everything > >>>>>> with a radically new system (which also included image search) > >>>>>> - Data-mining: the standard wisdom relied on a small corpus of > >>>>>> text > to > >>>>>> build complex, and hopefully complete, models on. Peter Norvig > advocates > >>>>>> huge corpuses and largely dispenses with complex/complete models > (whether in > >>>>>> translation, spell-check, entity-recognition etc). > >>>>>> - Photos: anything remotely resembling Picasa, for the price and > >>>>>> features? > >>>>>> This isn't really about Google, but rather about the success of a > very > >>>>>> different business model on a humongous scale. Unfortunately, we > don't seem > >>>>>> to realize the privacy implications to the consumer.... until it's > too late. > >>>>>> Previously, most of these apps would have cost you dollars. Now > they > >>>>>> cost advertisers dollars and you don't pay any cash. Of course, > >>>>>> you > pay in > >>>>>> other ways (the information you give, the loss of privacy etc > >>>>>> etc). > The > >>>>>> bigger worry is in a single player having sizeable influence in > such a > >>>>>> wide-spectrum of technological life. For now Google may be a > benevolent > >>>>>> monopoly, but for how long? > >>>>>> Saidi > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Philip Musyoki < > pmusyoki@gmail.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I > >>>>>>> think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for > >>>>>>> desktop > computers > >>>>>>> to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is > king > >>>>>>> in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the > iPhone and > >>>>>>> Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company > with maybe > >>>>>>> the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape > >>>>>>> the > way Apple > >>>>>>> has, Google does not even come close. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. > >>>>>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. 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As a tech savvy investor, what I would ask myself then before pouring my money into shares of any of the three is; suppose Google starts selling operating system and office software, will its shares perform better than Microsofts?
The million-dollar question. I think the companies that "get" the period they're in are the ones likely to do best. Microsoft understood the early computing period (in ways IBM and Steve Jobs back then did not) and reaped massive dividends. According to some, today's age is one of consumer electronics (as typified by the iPhone). Even good ol' Research in Motion (the Blackberry folks) are being forced to pay more attention to this sector (I seem to remember reading somewhere that RIMs consumer sales are growing at a faster rate than their enterprise sales). Some suggest, and it makes sense to me, that Apple and Google are primarily consumer-oriented companies whereas Microsoft is an enterprise-oriented one. With the currently-underway shift of consumer computing from the PC to smartphones, guess who stands to benefit most? The one(s) with a consumer orientation. That may explain why Microsoft is having such a hard time in this sector. A surprising, and notable exception, is the Xbox (I guess no model fits reality neatly and perfectly). One should also note that inasmuch as being the incumbent confers immense advantages, it also confers immense constraints. An intelligent startup never takes on an entrenched player on their turf, that is kamikaze/jihadi logic (the Taliban know not to take on the US head-on, just as the Afghani Mujahideen of old never took on the Soviets conventionally). In short, I would bet my money on Google. Nothing I've seen so far from Microsoft or Apple have convinced me that they have a long-term, wide-ranging strategy. Google's strategy has been: data is king, give everything else away but keep the data. This spartan logic underlies all their products, however varied they seem at first glance. And with the rise of the so-called "web squared" (sensors everywhere --> data everywhere), the king of data is well-positioned to extract a tax on everyone. But like you said, it is anybody's guess. In the meantime, we can learn a thing or two about business strategy from these titans of tech (all 3 of them). Smart ideas, unlike Windows 7 licenses from Malaysia, are not geo-locked. Saidi On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Lets leave tech matters awhile and look at those 3 like a tech savvy investor;
Google makes much of its money from advertising; revenue for the fiscal year 2008 was USD$21,795,550,000<http://investor.google.com/fin_data.html>. (21 billion) Microsoft's cash cow is its OSes and office suite, revenue in 2008 was USD$*60,420*,000,000<http://www.microsoft.com/msft/reports/ar08/10k_fh_fin.html>. (60 billion). Apple Inc revenue for 2008 was USD$ 32,479,000,000<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_computer>. (32 billion), most of it, 44%, from Macs.
All three companies are computer companies (i.e. fruits) but they derive their fruitiness from rather different sources, advertising, operating systems and a combination of operating systems and hardware.
But you are right saidi, nothing stopped Microsoft from venturing into the Zune, probably nothing will prevent them from coming up with their own hardware. Clearly, nothing is stopping Google in their foray into the operating systems arena.
As a tech savvy investor, what I would ask myself then before pouring my money into shares of any of the three is; suppose Google starts selling operating system and office software, will its shares perform better than Microsofts?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 10:05 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
I found this businessweek article<http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_14/b3978407.htm> to
have interesting opinions
Is that article really from April 2006?
People, how can one talk of Google, Microsoft and Apple in the same
context? Its like comparing guavas, mangoes and apricots!
They're all fruits, aren't they? ;)
And there's nothing stopping a guava vendor from using their dominance in guavas to enter into the apricots app store. Infact, a smart business person would do just that. Look at Amazon: EC2 and their other cloud-computing offerings were built on books (the physical kind). They used their dominance in guavas to enter the apricot market. That's exactly what Safaricom is doing as well, they started out as purely telecom... what are they now?
Tech folks need to think beyond the niche market they have (or are trying to) conquer. Otherwise you'll be blindsided by someone who uses their dominance of a totally unrelated area to muscle you out of your turf.
Saidi
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
People, how can one talk of Google, Microsoft and Apple in the same context? Its like comparing guavas, mangoes and apricots! Google is the king of advertising<http://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-now-controls-69-of-online-advertising-market/6632/>, much as I hate to admit it, microsoft is the king of the desktop OS<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems>, and Apple computer, well, they have their fingers in a lil bit of everything; hardware, OS, smart phone (hardware and OS), music players.
Therefore, to have a factual discussion, compare the iPod to the Zune, iPhone to Android (M$ still sticking to windows mobile), MacOs to Windows OS, Google Search to Bing etc
Anything other than that is merely one expressing their opinion, which i am told are like noses, coz everyone has his.
I found this businessweek article<http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_14/b3978407.htm>to have interesting opinions
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com>wrote:
@ chucks ... now that i'd like to hack on the android... :) -- Josiah Mugambi Ogden Nash<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/o/ogden_nash.html> - "The trouble with a kitten is that when it grows up, it's always a cat."
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a friend who bought the google adriod, damn he even installed mysql and it even has compiz. N97 and iphones are all going to hell.
Just some thoughts
./Chuks
On 12/15/09, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
I wouldnt underestimate Apple just yet. Apple release game changers and their ecosystem has been systematically growing and so has their following.Microsoft is a behemoth, many times the size of either google or apple. their strategy is to dominate by appealing to the masses and using their size to influence governments and large corporations. And locking people in through what can sometimes be termed unfair practises. Apple have until recently appealed to elitists and even the iphone is only a mass market product in the US. Its still somehow a premium product. And their profitability is massive.
I rarely see the 3 players as direct competitors coz their offerings are different, they just do it on similar platforms. I think the battle is in the minds of the press and us but each company has a very clear strategy for survival and winning
If it was a race?Id put my bet on apple winning in the long run, maybe im also obsessed with Jobs and Ive?
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:21 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes Okechuckwu, I am obsessed with the goings on in my field. And so are > the many others who author the links I post. They too are obsessed with > things they're passionate about. > > Isn't that what life is all about? I'll take the reality of passion over > the myth of logic... any day of the week. > > Saidi > > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote: > >> @Saidi - I think you are too obsessed with google to argue logically >> on anything else, you need to try and see from all perspectives. >> >> ./Ok3ch >> >> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:13 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote: >> > And now this: >> > http://goo.gl/ >> > The juggernaut keeps on rolling. >> > Saidi >> > >> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM, saidimu apale < saidimu@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Aside from the excitement of a new smartphone, does it worry you that >> one >> >> company is "all over the place"? >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Gichingiri Kuria < >> gmail@gichingiri.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I don't think thats a denial, actually very close to admiting it >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> >> >>>> >> >>>> That's what they all say ;) >> >>>> Apple denied the iPhone... until they announced it. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Gichingiri Kuria < >> gmail@gichingiri.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2009/12/android-dogfood-diet-for-holidays.h... >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has >> >>>>>>> changed >> >>>>>>> the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even >> come close. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. >> >>>>>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Interesting comment. You seem to imply that it's not even a battle >> at >> >>>>>> all. Google it and you'll find that quite a number think it's a >> battle of >> >>>>>> the titans. Question is: why is Microsoft missing in action? What >> tricks >> >>>>>> does Steve Ballmer (or whoever succeeds him once the board fires >> him) have >> >>>>>> up his sleeve? >> >>>>>> Google's focus isn't really search, it is advertising. They're >> >>>>>> just >> >>>>>> good at leveraging search to increase their ad revenue. There's a >> lot about >> >>>>>> Google's practices that I don't like, privacy being top of the >> list. I am, >> >>>>>> however, a fan of some of their core technology (I've posted >> >>>>>> before >> about >> >>>>>> Peter Norvig's talks on big data and big possibilities). >> >>>>>> Question: what other tech company has successfully implemented an >> >>>>>> ad-supported freemium model on a scale as large as Google's? >> >>>>>> - Email: remember how much space Hotmail and Yahoo used to give >> users >> >>>>>> before Gmail upped the game? >> >>>>>> - Maps: remember how crappy Mapquest was before Google Maps came >> in? >> >>>>>> And that's even before you consider StreetView. >> >>>>>> - Maps: anything remotely resembling Google Earth, at that cost? >> >>>>>> - GPS navigation: turn-by-turn for free? >> >>>>>> - Research: online search was mostly considered a "done deal" by >> the >> >>>>>> major contenders (Yahoo, Inktomi, etc etc) before Google upended >> everything >> >>>>>> with a radically new system (which also included image search) >> >>>>>> - Data-mining: the standard wisdom relied on a small corpus of >> >>>>>> text >> to >> >>>>>> build complex, and hopefully complete, models on. Peter Norvig >> advocates >> >>>>>> huge corpuses and largely dispenses with complex/complete models >> (whether in >> >>>>>> translation, spell-check, entity-recognition etc). >> >>>>>> - Photos: anything remotely resembling Picasa, for the price and >> >>>>>> features? >> >>>>>> This isn't really about Google, but rather about the success of a >> very >> >>>>>> different business model on a humongous scale. Unfortunately, we >> don't seem >> >>>>>> to realize the privacy implications to the consumer.... until it's >> too late. >> >>>>>> Previously, most of these apps would have cost you dollars. Now >> they >> >>>>>> cost advertisers dollars and you don't pay any cash. Of course, >> >>>>>> you >> pay in >> >>>>>> other ways (the information you give, the loss of privacy etc >> >>>>>> etc). >> The >> >>>>>> bigger worry is in a single player having sizeable influence in >> such a >> >>>>>> wide-spectrum of technological life. For now Google may be a >> benevolent >> >>>>>> monopoly, but for how long? >> >>>>>> Saidi >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Philip Musyoki < >> pmusyoki@gmail.com> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I >> >>>>>>> think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for >> >>>>>>> desktop >> computers >> >>>>>>> to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is >> king >> >>>>>>> in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the >> iPhone and >> >>>>>>> Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company >> with maybe >> >>>>>>> the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape >> >>>>>>> the >> way Apple >> >>>>>>> has, Google does not even come close. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there. >> >>>>>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. 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just like in the Desktop PC, most of us don'r own an Mac, but it is
still the standard we use to measure PC's. Ya, but look at the sales numbers for Macs vs. PCs. Macs don't even come close. In the same way, if Apple keeps its current model, it's just a matter of time before the iPhone is overtaken in the North America market (it never was a leader in Europe, Nokia still is). People may still have iPhone-envy, but they'll simply buy other adequate models. We do the same with cars... not everyone buys the BMWs that are "the standard". Saidi On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
My point is - until everyone wants to compare their phone makes to google's, it will still trail - since right now its like the iPhone is the standard for all phones and might be for a long time to come - just like in the Desktop PC, most of us don'r own an Mac, but it is still the standard we use to measure PC's.
./ok3ch
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:34 AM, David Njuki <njukey@gmail.com> wrote:
Here are photos of it
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/exclusive-first-google-phone-nexus-one-ph...
This would look nice on my hands :)
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