Easily many, many, many. I see them on the bus all the time. For some reason it seems like it's always teenagers who are using them.

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
How many non techies have you seen with android phones?


On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia <chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
I have a friend who bought the google adriod, damn he even installed
mysql and it even has compiz. N97 and iphones are all going to hell.

Just some thoughts


./Chuks

On 12/15/09, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
> I wouldnt underestimate Apple just yet. Apple release game changers and
> their ecosystem has been systematically growing and so has their
> following.Microsoft is a behemoth, many times the size of either google or
> apple. their strategy is to dominate by appealing to the masses and using
> their size to influence governments and large  corporations. And locking
> people in through what can sometimes be termed unfair practises.
> Apple have until recently appealed to elitists and even the iphone is only a
> mass market product in the US. Its still somehow a premium product. And
> their profitability is massive.
>
> I rarely see the 3 players as direct competitors coz their offerings are
> different, they just do it on similar platforms. I think the battle is in
> the minds of the press and us but each company has a very clear strategy for
> survival and winning
>
> If it was a race?Id put my bet on apple winning in the long run, maybe im
> also obsessed with Jobs and Ive?
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:21 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes Okechuckwu, I am obsessed with the goings on in my field. And so are
>> the many others who author the links I post. They too are obsessed with
>> things they're passionate about.
>>
>> Isn't that what life is all about? I'll take the reality of passion over
>> the myth of logic... any day of the week.
>>
>> Saidi
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:15 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> @Saidi - I think you are too obsessed with google to argue logically
>>> on anything else, you need to try and see from all perspectives.
>>>
>>> ./Ok3ch
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 1:13 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > And now this:
>>> > http://goo.gl/
>>> > The juggernaut keeps on rolling.
>>> > Saidi
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:54 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Aside from the excitement of a new smartphone, does it worry you that
>>> one
>>> >> company is "all over the place"?
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <
>>> gmail@gichingiri.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I don't think thats a denial, actually very close to admiting it
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> That's what they all say ;)
>>> >>>> Apple denied the iPhone... until they announced it.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Gichingiri Kuria <
>>> gmail@gichingiri.com>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2009/12/android-dogfood-diet-for-holidays.html
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 2009/12/14 saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> No other company with maybe the exception of Microsoft has
>>> >>>>>>> changed
>>> >>>>>>> the computing landscape the way Apple has, Google does not even
>>> come close.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there.
>>> >>>>>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Interesting comment. You seem to imply that it's not even a battle
>>> at
>>> >>>>>> all. Google it and you'll find that quite a number think it's a
>>> battle of
>>> >>>>>> the titans. Question is: why is Microsoft missing in action? What
>>> tricks
>>> >>>>>> does Steve Ballmer (or whoever succeeds him once the board fires
>>> him) have
>>> >>>>>> up his sleeve?
>>> >>>>>> Google's focus isn't really search, it is advertising. They're
>>> >>>>>> just
>>> >>>>>> good at leveraging search to increase their ad revenue. There's a
>>> lot about
>>> >>>>>> Google's practices that I don't like, privacy being top of the
>>> list. I am,
>>> >>>>>> however, a fan of some of their core technology (I've posted
>>> >>>>>> before
>>> about
>>> >>>>>> Peter Norvig's talks on big data and big possibilities).
>>> >>>>>> Question: what other tech company has successfully implemented an
>>> >>>>>> ad-supported freemium model on a scale as large as Google's?
>>> >>>>>> - Email: remember how much space Hotmail and Yahoo used to give
>>> users
>>> >>>>>> before Gmail upped the game?
>>> >>>>>> - Maps: remember how crappy Mapquest was before Google Maps came
>>> in?
>>> >>>>>> And that's even before you consider StreetView.
>>> >>>>>> - Maps: anything remotely resembling Google Earth, at that cost?
>>> >>>>>> - GPS navigation: turn-by-turn for free?
>>> >>>>>> - Research: online search was mostly considered a "done deal" by
>>> the
>>> >>>>>> major contenders (Yahoo, Inktomi, etc etc) before Google upended
>>> everything
>>> >>>>>> with a radically new system (which also included image search)
>>> >>>>>> - Data-mining: the standard wisdom relied on a small corpus of
>>> >>>>>> text
>>> to
>>> >>>>>> build complex, and hopefully complete, models on. Peter Norvig
>>> advocates
>>> >>>>>> huge corpuses and largely dispenses with complex/complete models
>>> (whether in
>>> >>>>>> translation, spell-check, entity-recognition etc).
>>> >>>>>> - Photos: anything remotely resembling Picasa, for the price and
>>> >>>>>> features?
>>> >>>>>> This isn't really about Google, but rather about the success of a
>>> very
>>> >>>>>> different business model on a humongous scale. Unfortunately, we
>>> don't seem
>>> >>>>>> to realize the privacy implications to the consumer.... until it's
>>> too late.
>>> >>>>>> Previously, most of these apps would have cost you dollars. Now
>>> they
>>> >>>>>> cost advertisers dollars and you don't pay any cash. Of course,
>>> >>>>>> you
>>> pay in
>>> >>>>>> other ways (the information you give, the loss of privacy etc
>>> >>>>>> etc).
>>> The
>>> >>>>>> bigger worry is in a single player having sizeable influence in
>>> such a
>>> >>>>>> wide-spectrum of technological life. For now Google may be a
>>> benevolent
>>> >>>>>> monopoly, but for how long?
>>> >>>>>> Saidi
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Philip Musyoki <
>>> pmusyoki@gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> It is also wrong to say Apple has lesser leverage than Google. I
>>> >>>>>>> think Apple far has more clout that Google, stretching for
>>> >>>>>>> desktop
>>> computers
>>> >>>>>>> to laptops, iTunes, iPod and the iPhone.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Google is king in search, and that is not disputed, but Apple is
>>> king
>>> >>>>>>> in desktops, laptops, operating systems, iTunes, iPod and the
>>> iPhone and
>>> >>>>>>> Google is the one playing catch up right now. No other company
>>> with maybe
>>> >>>>>>> the exception of Microsoft has changed the computing landscape
>>> >>>>>>> the
>>> way Apple
>>> >>>>>>> has, Google does not even come close.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> There is a big difference with having potential and being there.
>>> >>>>>>> Apple is there, and Google has potential. And that's all.
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