Am freaked, I understand that turbulence brought the Air France down off the coast of Brazil? Is this actually possible, I was under the impression that turbulence can not down a plane. Does KQ adhere to this, I have been in pretty scarcely situations. It's just a matter of time, may ditch our national carrier, this is not funny. My two cents Kiania -- [Asentric Consulting Ltd] If a man has in himself the soul of a slave will he not become one no matter what his birth .... -Richest Man in Babylon
Hi Turbulence is like pot-holes on a road, they are not meant to crash your car but with all necessary conditions a safe pothole will cause an accident else where. Ashford K. Sent from Nairobi, Nairobi Area, Kenya Mark Twain <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/m/mark_twain.html> - "There is no sadder sight than a young pessimist." 2009/6/3 David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com>
Am freaked, I understand that turbulence brought the Air France down off the coast of Brazil? Is this actually possible, I was under the impression that turbulence can not down a plane. Does KQ adhere to this, I have been in pretty scarcely situations. It's just a matter of time, may ditch our national carrier, this is not funny.
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On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 1:07 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Am freaked, I understand that turbulence brought the Air France down off the coast of Brazil? Is this actually possible, I was under the impression that turbulence can not down a plane. Does KQ adhere to this, I have been in pretty scarcely situations. It's just a matter of time, may ditch our national carrier, this is not funny.
It's very possible for air turbulence to bring down an aircraft. This is where the pilot's knowledge of flying under adverse weather comes into play. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
Too early to tell. Plus the area where the plane went down is known as the Inter-tropical convergence zone where trade winds of the north and south hemisphere converge causing major thunderstorms. The A330 is a relatively new design (only 11 years old) and has some quite advanced technology on-board to enable the pilots maneuver against bad weather. We may have to wait until the various authorities review all the data to determine what caused it. Weather maybe a factor but i highly doubt it was the ONLY factor. Hopefully once its aired on aircrash disasters we shall review this topic in more details right Mich. David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd wrote:
Am freaked, I understand that turbulence brought the Air France down off the coast of Brazil? Is this actually possible, I was under the impression that turbulence can not down a plane. Does KQ adhere to this, I have been in pretty scarcely situations. It's just a matter of time, may ditch our national carrier, this is not funny.
My two cents
Kiania
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Hi David, not sure if you ever had an interest in flying but try some flight simulators ( the serious ones, wacha those silly one where one can fly on endless fuel ) and check out how stressful a stall can be to correct. One one trip to west africa a few years ago, my hats off to a KQ pilot who must have had thermal vision radar in his head, as the landing approach was completely covered in fog, heavy rain and the runway was slippery with many patches of rain water. This guy got the plane down, though I could tell by flaps noise and engine revs he was struggling to keep it straight. On touchdown, he engaged reverse thrust longer than usual. Pilots go through very stressful situations. I was just glad to get out of plane but left a note for him with a hostess. Job well done!
I am glad you had a pleasant experience on KQ. I did a trip between Kigali and Buju, Feb 25 last year and to this day if I meet that pilot, whose name I wont disclose, am going to ground with him. That exactly is my beef with our national carrier, you either have one of extreme poles, excellent service or the stuff cows drop, nothing in between and no consistency. They have isolated incidents of excellence like yours but they are few and far between. Kiania On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:18 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi David, not sure if you ever had an interest in flying but try some flight simulators ( the serious ones, wacha those silly one where one can fly on endless fuel ) and check out how stressful a stall can be to correct. One one trip to west africa a few years ago, my hats off to a KQ pilot who must have had thermal vision radar in his head, as the landing approach was completely covered in fog, heavy rain and the runway was slippery with many patches of rain water. This guy got the plane down, though I could tell by flaps noise and engine revs he was struggling to keep it straight. On touchdown, he engaged reverse thrust longer than usual. Pilots go through very stressful situations. I was just glad to get out of plane but left a note for him with a hostess. Job well done!
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@Aki's right, i have a PC based flight simulator and spent quite a number of hours on it as well as training flight simulators. Now flying in adverse weather conditions isnt that easy. coz you get bumped quite alot and God forbid the flight should stall, getting it back on its correct heading and flight level is a nasty experience with all the alarms going off. In a storm you also get disorientated coz everything outside the window loks the same and yu cant see the horizon. Then there are the G Forces you've got to contend with... ya! Anyway, If you speaking of landings you should try being in a plane trying to land at Reagan National in Washington DC. depending on where you coming in from, its a hair raising experience. around Washington DC there alot of no fly zones and the pilots have to cut corners around those areas so for 1st timers you get the impression the pilot's lost control of the plane and is trying to get it level again. Steve Obbayi, _____ From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 11:37 AM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Air France: Turbulence brought it down? I am glad you had a pleasant experience on KQ. I did a trip between Kigali and Buju, Feb 25 last year and to this day if I meet that pilot, whose name I wont disclose, am going to ground with him. That exactly is my beef with our national carrier, you either have one of extreme poles, excellent service or the stuff cows drop, nothing in between and no consistency. They have isolated incidents of excellence like yours but they are few and far between. Kiania On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:18 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote: Hi David, not sure if you ever had an interest in flying but try some flight simulators ( the serious ones, wacha those silly one where one can fly on endless fuel ) and check out how stressful a stall can be to correct. One one trip to west africa a few years ago, my hats off to a KQ pilot who must have had thermal vision radar in his head, as the landing approach was completely covered in fog, heavy rain and the runway was slippery with many patches of rain water. This guy got the plane down, though I could tell by flaps noise and engine revs he was struggling to keep it straight. On touchdown, he engaged reverse thrust longer than usual. Pilots go through very stressful situations. I was just glad to get out of plane but left a note for him with a hostess. Job well done! _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general -- [Asentric Consulting Ltd] If a man has in himself the soul of a slave will he not become one no matter what his birth .... -Richest Man in Babylon
@ david, sorry need to make a small diversion... @steve : maybe we find a way to put it online sometime when seacom etc is cheaper. I still have Su-27 Flanker, the only plane ever to execute a pugachev cobra! imho. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daOPK07baBw
David, watch this clip. cross wind enough to stall the plane, pilot trying very hard to compensate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfB4xyM7tMw&feature=related
yeah but be warned. the installation with gobble up about 18GB of disk space after installation. (thats basic installation). its basically for the terrain, scenary, ground and air objects, buildings... well the whole works basically _____ From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of aki Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 12:14 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Air France: Turbulence brought it down? @ david, sorry need to make a small diversion... @steve : maybe we find a way to put it online sometime when seacom etc is cheaper. I still have Su-27 Flanker, the only plane ever to execute a pugachev cobra! imho. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daOPK07baBw
Hi people turbulence can down a plane depending on how bad it is. Mich mentioned the ITCZ and severe thunderstorms that occur there. At the equator the clouds can go up to as high as 50,000 feet so even flying over is not an option. A cardinal rule for pilots is DO NOT FLY into a thunderstorm and if they really must they navigate through the regions with less turbulence. The weather radar in the cockpit of modern airliners highlights the trouble spots and it's his/her job to use that info to avoid it. I once read of a guy who had a change in altitude of 20,000 feet when flying through a storm- pretty hectic and fortunate to have lived to tell the tale. Small planes can simply disintegrate due to the stresses on the structure. Given we don't know the whole story yet but from initial info we can guess that the storm played a role in the incident. The black box(es) if found should reveal more. @David ;) About our national carrier, the biggest measure of pilot's skill is in the landings and it's sad that they fall short. By the way those short african routes if they use a 737 could be flown by junior pilots still perfecting the art, pole sana for the hard landings. few and far between, not for long.... @ steve- about dodgy airports there's this one called Port elizabeth where winds over 80 km/h are not uncommon, I remember guys clapping for the pilot after the landing! @aki- interesting that, they go through a lot of that! On 03/06/2009, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
yeah but be warned. the installation with gobble up about 18GB of disk space after installation. (thats basic installation). its basically for the terrain, scenary, ground and air objects, buildings... well the whole works basically
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From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of aki Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 12:14 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Air France: Turbulence brought it down?
@ david, sorry need to make a small diversion...
@steve : maybe we find a way to put it online sometime when seacom etc is cheaper. I still have Su-27 Flanker, the only plane ever to execute a pugachev cobra! imho. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daOPK07baBw
Hey Skunks where do you learn all this, Very educative On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi people turbulence can down a plane depending on how bad it is. Mich mentioned the ITCZ and severe thunderstorms that occur there. At the equator the clouds can go up to as high as 50,000 feet so even flying over is not an option. A cardinal rule for pilots is DO NOT FLY into a thunderstorm and if they really must they navigate through the regions with less turbulence. The weather radar in the cockpit of modern airliners highlights the trouble spots and it's his/her job to use that info to avoid it.
I once read of a guy who had a change in altitude of 20,000 feet when flying through a storm- pretty hectic and fortunate to have lived to tell the tale. Small planes can simply disintegrate due to the stresses on the structure.
Given we don't know the whole story yet but from initial info we can guess that the storm played a role in the incident. The black box(es) if found should reveal more.
@David ;) About our national carrier, the biggest measure of pilot's skill is in the landings and it's sad that they fall short. By the way those short african routes if they use a 737 could be flown by junior pilots still perfecting the art, pole sana for the hard landings. few and far between, not for long....
@ steve- about dodgy airports there's this one called Port elizabeth where winds over 80 km/h are not uncommon, I remember guys clapping for the pilot after the landing!
@aki- interesting that, they go through a lot of that!
On 03/06/2009, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
yeah but be warned. the installation with gobble up about 18GB of disk
space
after installation. (thats basic installation). its basically for the terrain, scenary, ground and air objects, buildings... well the whole works basically
_____
From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of aki Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 12:14 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Air France: Turbulence brought it down?
@ david, sorry need to make a small diversion...
@steve : maybe we find a way to put it online sometime when seacom etc is cheaper. I still have Su-27 Flanker, the only plane ever to execute a pugachev cobra! imho. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daOPK07baBw
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Perhaps he's a padawan ... On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Hey Skunks where do you learn all this, Very educative
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi people turbulence can down a plane depending on how bad it is. Mich mentioned the ITCZ and severe thunderstorms that occur there. At the equator the clouds can go up to as high as 50,000 feet so even flying over is not an option. A cardinal rule for pilots is DO NOT FLY into a thunderstorm and if they really must they navigate through the regions with less turbulence. The weather radar in the cockpit of modern airliners highlights the trouble spots and it's his/her job to use that info to avoid it.
I once read of a guy who had a change in altitude of 20,000 feet when flying through a storm- pretty hectic and fortunate to have lived to tell the tale. Small planes can simply disintegrate due to the stresses on the structure.
Given we don't know the whole story yet but from initial info we can guess that the storm played a role in the incident. The black box(es) if found should reveal more.
@David ;) About our national carrier, the biggest measure of pilot's skill is in the landings and it's sad that they fall short. By the way those short african routes if they use a 737 could be flown by junior pilots still perfecting the art, pole sana for the hard landings. few and far between, not for long....
@ steve- about dodgy airports there's this one called Port elizabeth where winds over 80 km/h are not uncommon, I remember guys clapping for the pilot after the landing!
@aki- interesting that, they go through a lot of that!
On 03/06/2009, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
yeah but be warned. the installation with gobble up about 18GB of disk
space
after installation. (thats basic installation). its basically for the terrain, scenary, ground and air objects, buildings... well the whole works basically
_____
From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of aki Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 12:14 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Air France: Turbulence brought it down?
@ david, sorry need to make a small diversion...
@steve : maybe we find a way to put it online sometime when seacom etc is cheaper. I still have Su-27 Flanker, the only plane ever to execute a pugachev cobra! imho. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daOPK07baBw
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The "ban" of flight zones really apply to third world countries, mostly African. I understand that some of the airports in Italy and Spain are really overcrowded and uncontrolled, luggage gets lost etc etc.. But you don't hear anyone bothering them ... Some of the regularly hit terror zones in the world [the wider asia] are also never given these bans... But a "suspicion" of insecurity [without confirmation] or a "suspicion" of sub-standards are enough to make an African airline lose its hard earned status. I am not saying we should be lax, but one cant help wonder about these so called 'bans'... is it just me or are African air accidents more televised in the CNN [over and over again] than those involving developed countries ??
Clearly you have not been to JKIA in the recent past. How does an International airport lack water for 4 whole days? Ludicrous. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:15 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
The "ban" of flight zones really apply to third world countries, mostly African. I understand that some of the airports in Italy and Spain are really overcrowded and uncontrolled, luggage gets lost etc etc..
But you don't hear anyone bothering them ...
Some of the regularly hit terror zones in the world [the wider asia] are also never given these bans...
But a "suspicion" of insecurity [without confirmation] or a "suspicion" of sub-standards are enough to make an African airline lose its hard earned status.
I am not saying we should be lax, but one cant help wonder about these so called 'bans'... is it just me or are African air accidents more televised in the CNN [over and over again] than those involving developed countries ??
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I was there a few weeks ago,, i think there was water... I happened not to carry cash with me and instead put the kenyan currency in my luggage awaiting my return. I only had a few coins in my carry bag, totalling to 50/-. Unfortunately, I couldnt get any water for less than Ksh. 100 at the duty free shop. Why do they call them duty free ? I ended up drinking water from the taps in the washrooms. [?]
Stephen, You may want to carry all your valuables (including money) in your hand luggage next time. On a recent flight, from JKIA, someone went through my luggage. There was a camera bag that had my battery charger and an extra battery, at least i had my Camera on me. Also made away with my perfume!! I would be careful.. don't check in anything that you wouldn't afford to lose... unless its too heavy or bulky... Tito. 2009/6/4 ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>
I was there a few weeks ago,, i think there was water...
I happened not to carry cash with me and instead put the kenyan currency in my luggage awaiting my return. I only had a few coins in my carry bag, totalling to 50/-.
Unfortunately, I couldnt get any water for less than Ksh. 100 at the duty free shop. Why do they call them duty free ?
I ended up drinking water from the taps in the washrooms. [?]
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Clearly you have not been to JKIA in the recent past. How does an International airport lack water for 4 whole days? Ludicrous.
There is no water in Kenya. Ndakaini dam is drying up. KAA cannot think of sinking boreholes to get water. You do know where these guys' focus is, no? Selling..selling..selling.. Seriously though, Kenya may soon be importing water if the dependancy on rain is not changed. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Clearly you have not been to JKIA in the recent past. How does an International airport lack water for 4 whole days? Ludicrous.
There is no water in Kenya. Ndakaini dam is drying up. KAA cannot think of sinking boreholes to get water. You do know where these guys' focus is, no? Selling..selling..selling.. Seriously though, Kenya may soon be importing water if the dependency on rainfall is not changed. Remember the "Water for Everyone by 2010"? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
@andrew I was told that a pilot does not land the plane, it lands itself! yep a landing is a controlled crash basically you make the aircraft loose lift and then it brings itself down to the ground, the work of the pilot is to make sure this is done smoothly. On 04/06/2009, Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Clearly you have not been to JKIA in the recent past. How does an International airport lack water for 4 whole days? Ludicrous.
There is no water in Kenya. Ndakaini dam is drying up. KAA cannot think of sinking boreholes to get water. You do know where these guys' focus is, no? Selling..selling..selling..
Seriously though, Kenya may soon be importing water if the dependency on rainfall is not changed. Remember the "Water for Everyone by 2010"?
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@andrew I was told that a pilot does not land the plane, it lands itself!
yep a landing is a controlled crash basically you make the aircraft loose lift and then it brings itself down to the ground, the work of the pilot is to make sure this is done smoothly.
I beg to disagree! There is so much work for a pilot to do to land a plane that I cannot let that be compared to a crash! In a crash, the pilot does everything in his power not to let the kite go down uncontrolled. In landing, s/he does everything in his power to ensure that the aircraft touches down safely. Just FYI, whenever a plane is landing, the pilot engages full throttle (max power) just the same way s/he does during take off. There is all that work to ensure it touches down from the rear undercarriage, then the nosewheel, leveling, etc - quite a "controlled crash" indeed. The pilot who said that must have been joking. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
@Odhiambo the full throttle your talking about is actually a reverse thrust. so with flaps fully open and some sort of a latch or panel usually towards the back of the jext engine housing, this would normally redirect the thrust exhaust from blowing backwards to a more forward direction..this changes the direction the thrust is operating and slows down the plane. without it most of our runways would come out short Steve Obbayi _____ From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Odhiambo ????? Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:07 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Air France: Turbulence brought it down? 2009/6/4 Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> @andrew I was told that a pilot does not land the plane, it lands itself! yep a landing is a controlled crash basically you make the aircraft loose lift and then it brings itself down to the ground, the work of the pilot is to make sure this is done smoothly. I beg to disagree! There is so much work for a pilot to do to land a plane that I cannot let that be compared to a crash! In a crash, the pilot does everything in his power not to let the kite go down uncontrolled. In landing, s/he does everything in his power to ensure that the aircraft touches down safely. Just FYI, whenever a plane is landing, the pilot engages full throttle (max power) just the same way s/he does during take off. There is all that work to ensure it touches down from the rear undercarriage, then the nosewheel, leveling, etc - quite a "controlled crash" indeed. The pilot who said that must have been joking. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
Steve Obbayi wrote:
@Odhiambo the full throttle your talking about is actually a reverse thrust. so with flaps fully open and some sort of a latch or panel usually towards the back of the jext engine housing, this would normally redirect the thrust exhaust from blowing backwards to a more forward direction..this changes the direction the thrust is operating and slows down the plane.
concept is known as air braking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_brake_(aircraft) without it most
of our runways would come out short
Well if any of them fails its likely to run out of runway. I once recall watching an aircraft disaster episode where a plane crashed at the end of the runway and one of the reasons was because the pilots did not raise the flaps. Regards, Mich
In that episode: they didnt raise the flaps nor engage reverse thrust ( human error, what with having come through a hair-raising EMCY in the air...) Some airports have gravel pits at the end of their runways so that if a plane runs out out of tarmac, the front gear digs ( 'sinks' ) into the ground, and friction does the rest...
without it most
of our runways would come out short
Well if any of them fails its likely to run out of runway. I once recall watching an aircraft disaster episode where a plane crashed at the end of the runway and one of the reasons was because the pilots did not raise the flaps.
Regards,
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On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Michael Kamunge<forlogins@gmail.com> wrote:
In that episode: they didnt raise the flaps nor engage reverse thrust (
A short while ago I discovered that some airports have restrictions on the use of thrust reversal, primarily due to noise. This was after landing twice in a week at the same airport, different airlines, and noticing that both landings were strangely quiet, I observed all other landings while waiting for my connecting flight, they were all quiet. I did my homework and found out they penalize any use of reversal at that airport unless it's absolutely necessary. BR, S -- "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision." - Stolen from someone else's sig.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6430398.ece This June 4article claims the plane may have stalled up there. 2009/6/8 Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com>
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Michael Kamunge<forlogins@gmail.com> wrote:
In that episode: they didnt raise the flaps nor engage reverse thrust (
A short while ago I discovered that some airports have restrictions on the use of thrust reversal, primarily due to noise. This was after landing twice in a week at the same airport, different airlines, and noticing that both landings were strangely quiet, I observed all other landings while waiting for my connecting flight, they were all quiet. I did my homework and found out they penalize any use of reversal at that airport unless it's absolutely necessary.
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sometimes it is just better not to know these things... :-) so on my flight back from job, I wanted to get off the plane right at the airport. It all began with the 737 flight being full booked. while being seated in the plane and streams of people board the plane, am running some simple maths on weight of passengers and luggage. how airlines accept excess hand lugagge is mind boggling. some pax have smaller bags while others will crush your hand luggage with large bags. Then the pilot announced there was a small delay as water leakage was being fixed! I could only imagine a full flight and the extra luggage on board because of smiling faces at check-in counters. And was I right about weight! On take off the plane seemed to take quite a bit of runway to be airborne while landing with reverse thrust at jkia was longer than usual. Mid air, there was an annoying rattle in the middle frame though no turbulence was felt. I decided to sleep it off.......
The big commercial airliners have load sensors in the wheels - the pilot can (and does) check the load before take-off. Smaller planes (of the 'wilson' variety) don't have this - so they need to take much more care loading - not only for 'overloading', but also for centre of gravity calculation. Tony 2009/6/24 aki <aki275@googlemail.com>:
sometimes it is just better not to know these things... :-) so on my flight back from job, I wanted to get off the plane right at the airport. It all began with the 737 flight being full booked. while being seated in the plane and streams of people board the plane, am running some simple maths on weight of passengers and luggage. how airlines accept excess hand lugagge is mind boggling. some pax have smaller bags while others will crush your hand luggage with large bags. Then the pilot announced there was a small delay as water leakage was being fixed! I could only imagine a full flight and the extra luggage on board because of smiling faces at check-in counters. And was I right about weight! On take off the plane seemed to take quite a bit of runway to be airborne while landing with reverse thrust at jkia was longer than usual. Mid air, there was an annoying rattle in the middle frame though no turbulence was felt. I decided to sleep it off....... _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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Actually i should be more specific. Controlled crash landing applies to landing fighter jets on an aircraft carrier. See the complete Idiot's Guide to Aircraft Carriers. http://books.google.fi/books?id=eBGf4gUCnD0C&pg=PA47&lpg=PA47&dq=aircraft+la... ====================== Andrew Wafula Wapakala Web: www.wertsoft.com MSN: a_wafula@hotmail.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/awafula Blog: http://thewert.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================== If you have made mistakes...there is always another chance for you... you may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing we call 'failure' is not the falling down, but the staying down. - Mary Pickford "Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People" 2009/6/4 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
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@andrew I was told that a pilot does not land the plane, it lands itself!
yep a landing is a controlled crash basically you make the aircraft loose lift and then it brings itself down to the ground, the work of the pilot is to make sure this is done smoothly.
I beg to disagree!
There is so much work for a pilot to do to land a plane that I cannot let that be compared to a crash! In a crash, the pilot does everything in his power not to let the kite go down uncontrolled. In landing, s/he does everything in his power to ensure that the aircraft touches down safely. Just FYI, whenever a plane is landing, the pilot engages full throttle (max power) just the same way s/he does during take off. There is all that work to ensure it touches down from the rear undercarriage, then the nosewheel, leveling, etc - quite a "controlled crash" indeed. The pilot who said that must have been joking.
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yes, going up is optional... landing is a must! so I agree, we control the plane from crashing. i don't want relate this with the collision experiment they had the other day. 2009/6/4 Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com>
@andrew I was told that a pilot does not land the plane, it lands itself!
yep a landing is a controlled crash basically you make the aircraft loose lift and then it brings itself down to the ground, the work of the pilot is to make sure this is done smoothly.
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Clearly you have not been to JKIA in the recent past. How does an International airport lack water for 4 whole days? Ludicrous.
There is no water in Kenya. Ndakaini dam is drying up. KAA cannot think of sinking boreholes to get water. You do know where these guys' focus is, no? Selling..selling..selling..
Seriously though, Kenya may soon be importing water if the dependency on rainfall is not changed. Remember the "Water for Everyone by 2010"?
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@gituma, you force me to write..hehe :-) I think auto landing possible if airport equipped with ALS radar. the data like air speed, cross wind, tail wind, weather conditions, altitude, pitch, yaw relayed to plane onboard system. consider this route to work on ALS, typical flight path between Nai-Mombasa, duration 45-50mins on large plane, so pilot is really bored because the plane will fly straight for only 10-15 mins between A and (1) A (1) * * * * * *(2) * *(3) * *(4) NAI _ _Mombasa At point (1) : Initial approach. plane starts to descend. ALS must know that a radar at this point starts the gentle drop in altutide, therefore drop air speed, correct aircraft approach. Plane starts to become a glider. At point (2) : ALS further drops air speed on craft. all factors being processed. At point (3): ALS further drops air speed on craft, first set of flaps deployed eg 10degrees. all factors being processed. At point (4) : final approach ( sometimes point of no return ) ALS now drops flaps 15 or moredeg, Nose of plane must go up, landing gear opened. Engine speed drops but compensates. Rudder control trims final approach and aligns the plane. Flaps now open fully, rudder control important. ALS must control tight turns while rudder, flaps, engine speed, cross winds, tail wind parameters are all working together. Mombasa : Touchdown and the rest @steve covered. 2009/6/4 Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com>
@andrew I was told that a pilot does not land the plane, it lands itself!
Aki, are you like a real life Pretender? Like Jared? Very interesting info you have. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:23 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@gituma, you force me to write..hehe :-) I think auto landing possible if airport equipped with ALS radar. the data like air speed, cross wind, tail wind, weather conditions, altitude, pitch, yaw relayed to plane onboard system. consider this route to work on ALS, typical flight path between Nai-Mombasa, duration 45-50mins on large plane, so pilot is really bored because the plane will fly straight for only 10-15 mins between A and (1)
A (1) * * * * * *(2) * *(3) * *(4) NAI _ _Mombasa
At point (1) : Initial approach. plane starts to descend. ALS must know that a radar at this point starts the gentle drop in altutide, therefore drop air speed, correct aircraft approach. Plane starts to become a glider.
At point (2) : ALS further drops air speed on craft. all factors being processed.
At point (3): ALS further drops air speed on craft, first set of flaps deployed eg 10degrees. all factors being processed.
At point (4) : final approach ( sometimes point of no return ) ALS now drops flaps 15 or moredeg, Nose of plane must go up, landing gear opened. Engine speed drops but compensates. Rudder control trims final approach and aligns the plane. Flaps now open fully, rudder control important. ALS must control tight turns while rudder, flaps, engine speed, cross winds, tail wind parameters are all working together.
Mombasa : Touchdown and the rest @steve covered.
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@andrew I was told that a pilot does not land the plane, it lands itself!
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Peter, who's Jared? I know, it kinda gets silly at some stage.. blame it on old sims!. hehehe. :-) On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki, are you like a real life Pretender? Like Jared? Very interesting info you have.
"*The Pretender is an American television series that aired on NBC<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC>from 1996 to 2000. The series starred Michael T. Weiss <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_T._Weiss> as Jarod, a genius and former child prodigy with "the ability to become anyone he wants to be," i.e., to flawlessly impersonate anyone in virtually any line of work.*" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pretender_(TV_series)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pretender_%28TV_series%29> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:35 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Peter, who's Jared? I know, it kinda gets silly at some stage.. blame it on old sims!. hehehe. :-)
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki, are you like a real life Pretender? Like Jared? Very interesting info you have.
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Peter, Oh no..... sorry if it looks like it but seriously not true. these flight sims one can by in any shop when travelling, I just thot the details would be interesting as a contribution to add to discussion. Am sure you mean well boss..... :-)
aki wrote:
@gituma, you force me to write..hehe :-) I think auto landing possible if airport equipped with ALS radar.
If memory serves me right, a KQ pilot name withheld mentioned to me that JKIA has ALS. How well calibrated it is another question all together. Am not sure if anyone has used it to perform auto-landing either. But i believe the system is installed - operational i dont know! :) Mich
@ Michuki JKIA has an instrument landing system(ILS)-(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_landing_system) installed but for autoland you need the most advanced one- category 3c which can guide the plane all the way to the ground and even along it for taxiing. @aki- actually I think the pilot quite enjoys the Mombasa flight as the cruise is the most boring time and all the work is done on take off and landing- so it's more fun or fatigue whichever way you look at it. Oh and KQ planes on the most part can autoland but it's not approved by the company plus you need the cat 3 capability I mentioned above. @odhis Steve explained the reverse thrust as the reason for power increase. Now about the main wheels touching down firt and the "aircraft landing itself". When the plane is just about to land- around 50 feet off the ground the pilot 'flares' i.e pulls the nose up to make the plane fly level and and reduces the power(in alight aircraft, power is cut completely) and this makes the plane start sinking- i.e it lands itself. Now the work of the pilot is to keep the plane flyinga s long as possible and he does this by pulling the stick back which makes the plane lose speed and the rear wheels touch down gently in the ideal case. During this phase- the hold off the wheels are just kept off the ground. if this is done improperly the tarmac wil be met with a bang though when the runway is wet a slightly heavier landing is required for traction. Oh and on a light a/c the plane actually stalls just before touchdown in a good landing! Thrust reverses,flaps and spoilers- those things that come up from the wing help to slow the plane down on the ground. Flaps however were applied earlier on in the approach. So that's how they land the plane! On 04/06/2009, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote:
aki wrote:
@gituma, you force me to write..hehe :-) I think auto landing possible if airport equipped with ALS radar.
If memory serves me right, a KQ pilot name withheld mentioned to me that JKIA has ALS. How well calibrated it is another question all together. Am not sure if anyone has used it to perform auto-landing either. But i believe the system is installed - operational i dont know! :)
Mich
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Am amazed how much interest aviation has generated. Should we have this as one of the tracks in the next barcamp or even have a series of Tuesday talks on this? Had no idea we had these many pilots and closet pilots on the list. Keep it coming Kiania On 6/5/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Kenya Airways now offering a new pilot training program. Advert page 42 on nation. link : www.kenya-airways.com/careers. any high flying skunks/skunkettes? :-)
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LOL @ "closet pilots" !!!, you'd be amazed! :) On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:21 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Am amazed how much interest aviation has generated. Should we have this as one of the tracks in the next barcamp or even have a series of Tuesday talks on this?
Had no idea we had these many pilots and closet pilots on the list. Keep it coming
Kiania
On 6/5/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
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@mike that gravel pit called the stopway, very important! @Aki, David ;-) On 6/5/09, Michael Kamunge <forlogins@gmail.com> wrote:
LOL @ "closet pilots" !!!, you'd be amazed! :)
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Am amazed how much interest aviation has generated. Should we have this as one of the tracks in the next barcamp or even have a series of Tuesday talks on this?
Had no idea we had these many pilots and closet pilots on the list. Keep it coming
Kiania
On 6/5/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
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Mike, lmfao! On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Michael Kamunge <forlogins@gmail.com>wrote:
aviation club anyone? :)
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SPORADIC? LOLest! You've made my day! What does Delta Incognito have to do with aviation? totally funny! On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Michael Kamunge <forlogins@gmail.com>wrote:
aviation club anyone? :)
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Skyworks :) On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
SPORADIC? LOLest! You've made my day! What does Delta Incognito have to do with aviation? totally funny!
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Michael Kamunge <forlogins@gmail.com>wrote:
aviation club anyone? :)
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Planes being safer than cars is a result of risk, they carry greater risk hence there is more oversight. Lifts are safer than stairs, btw. Think about it, most accidents occur due to negligence. If the same maintenance standards applied to cars were applied to aircrafts, we would be in a bucketload of trouble. Think about it - air crafts running out of fuel midair, poor tyres on planes, jua kali solutions to problems with the choice tool being a hammer to force things into place, drunk pilots insisting that 'the plane knows its way to London'... It's not that cars are more, we are just lax. On airport security, JKIA is insecure because of access control. Many flight are boarded directly on the runway, and it's easy to 'sneak' open fluids etc onto the plane... I think that is the major cause of concern. I boarded a local flight without once showing my ID... On the Tuesday talk I think I can try getting a Pilot/Engineer to give a talk perhaps in early July... On 6/6/09, Philip Njenga <njengaphilip@gmail.com> wrote:
Skyworks :)
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
SPORADIC? LOLest! You've made my day! What does Delta Incognito have to do with aviation? totally funny!
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Michael Kamunge <forlogins@gmail.com>wrote:
aviation club anyone? :)
Skunkworks Uninvited Pilots Association ( SUPA! ) Skunkworks Outta-the-closet Club of Aviation ( SOCA! ) ama Skunkworks Pilots Orderly Revised Association Delta InCognito ( SPORADIC! )
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Just one more contribution on this thread. Look at http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/06/05/1419247/Could-a-Meteor-Have-Brought-... <http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/06/05/1419247/Could-a-Meteor-Have-Brought-Down-Air-France-447?from=rss> ====================== Andrew Wafula Wapakala Web: www.wertsoft.com MSN: a_wafula@hotmail.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/awafula Blog: http://thewert.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================== If you have made mistakes...there is always another chance for you... you may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing we call 'failure' is not the falling down, but the staying down. - Mary Pickford "Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People" On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Planes being safer than cars is a result of risk, they carry greater risk hence there is more oversight. Lifts are safer than stairs, btw. Think about it, most accidents occur due to negligence. If the same maintenance standards applied to cars were applied to aircrafts, we would be in a bucketload of trouble. Think about it - air crafts running out of fuel midair, poor tyres on planes, jua kali solutions to problems with the choice tool being a hammer to force things into place, drunk pilots insisting that 'the plane knows its way to London'... It's not that cars are more, we are just lax.
On airport security, JKIA is insecure because of access control. Many flight are boarded directly on the runway, and it's easy to 'sneak' open fluids etc onto the plane... I think that is the major cause of concern. I boarded a local flight without once showing my ID...
On the Tuesday talk I think I can try getting a Pilot/Engineer to give a talk perhaps in early July...
On 6/6/09, Philip Njenga <njengaphilip@gmail.com> wrote:
Skyworks :)
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
SPORADIC? LOLest! You've made my day! What does Delta Incognito have to do with aviation? totally funny!
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Michael Kamunge <forlogins@gmail.com>wrote:
aviation club anyone? :)
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hmm...i wonder if there's a Aviation/Piloting for Dummies! ( guides for the rest of us! :) [ the FAA would probably ban that one before it even rolled off the press! ]
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I like the post by Lurker2288; "*I don't think you really mean this. It's obvious prima facie that some explanations are more likely than others: regular old human error is more likely than a fatal meteorite strike is more likely than an attack by evil space aliens. It'd be more accurate to say that we lack the information to assign realistic probabilities to the different scenarios*." An attack by evil space aliens? On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Andrew Wafula <awafula@gmail.com> wrote:
Just one more contribution on this thread. Look at http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/06/05/1419247/Could-a-Meteor-Have-Brought-... <http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/06/05/1419247/Could-a-Meteor-Have-Brought-Down-Air-France-447?from=rss> ====================== Andrew Wafula Wapakala Web: www.wertsoft.com MSN: a_wafula@hotmail.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/awafula Blog: http://thewert.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================== If you have made mistakes...there is always another chance for you... you may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing we call 'failure' is not the falling down, but the staying down. - Mary Pickford "Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People"
On Sat, Jun 6, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Planes being safer than cars is a result of risk, they carry greater risk hence there is more oversight. Lifts are safer than stairs, btw. Think about it, most accidents occur due to negligence. If the same maintenance standards applied to cars were applied to aircrafts, we would be in a bucketload of trouble. Think about it - air crafts running out of fuel midair, poor tyres on planes, jua kali solutions to problems with the choice tool being a hammer to force things into place, drunk pilots insisting that 'the plane knows its way to London'... It's not that cars are more, we are just lax.
On airport security, JKIA is insecure because of access control. Many flight are boarded directly on the runway, and it's easy to 'sneak' open fluids etc onto the plane... I think that is the major cause of concern. I boarded a local flight without once showing my ID...
On the Tuesday talk I think I can try getting a Pilot/Engineer to give a talk perhaps in early July...
On 6/6/09, Philip Njenga <njengaphilip@gmail.com> wrote:
Skyworks :)
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
SPORADIC? LOLest! You've made my day! What does Delta Incognito have to do with aviation? totally funny!
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Michael Kamunge <forlogins@gmail.com>wrote:
aviation club anyone? :)
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The air traffic control system is also quite ancient. I encourage you to take a trip to the control tower if you can. R D On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Clearly you have not been to JKIA in the recent past. How does an International airport lack water for 4 whole days? Ludicrous.
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:15 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
The "ban" of flight zones really apply to third world countries, mostly African. I understand that some of the airports in Italy and Spain are really overcrowded and uncontrolled, luggage gets lost etc etc..
But you don't hear anyone bothering them ...
Some of the regularly hit terror zones in the world [the wider asia] are also never given these bans...
But a "suspicion" of insecurity [without confirmation] or a "suspicion" of sub-standards are enough to make an African airline lose its hard earned status.
I am not saying we should be lax, but one cant help wonder about these so called 'bans'... is it just me or are African air accidents more televised in the CNN [over and over again] than those involving developed countries ??
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Denis G. Wahome <dwahome@gmail.com> wrote:
The air traffic control system is also quite ancient. I encourage you to take a trip to the control tower if you can.
Heheee...if it ain't b0rken, don't fix it! It could be ancient but it works, so no emergency around it. If your old car takes you places, why worry about it? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
@Odhis:...coz chix don't digg old cars... 2009/6/4 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Denis G. Wahome <dwahome@gmail.com> wrote:
The air traffic control system is also quite ancient. I encourage you to take a trip to the control tower if you can.
Heheee...if it ain't b0rken, don't fix it!
It could be ancient but it works, so no emergency around it. If your old car takes you places, why worry about it?
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@Odhis:...coz chix don't digg old cars...
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Denis G. Wahome <dwahome@gmail.com>wrote:
The air traffic control system is also quite ancient. I encourage you to take a trip to the control tower if you can.
Heheee...if it ain't b0rken, don't fix it!
It could be ancient but it works, so no emergency around it. If your old car takes you places, why worry about it?
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Denis G. Wahome <dwahome@gmail.com> wrote:
The air traffic control system is also quite ancient. I encourage you to take a trip to the control tower if you can.
Heheee...if it ain't b0rken, don't fix it!
It could be ancient but it works, so no emergency around it. If your old car takes you places, why worry about it?
Trust me we need to be worried. This system was installed in the early 1980s, dont think we have spares do you? R D
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Now the screening equipment at JKIA is not quit up to par with what they have in usa and europe. Think millimeter wave technology for body screening found in many european and usa airports... heck not only airports, in states you even find them in public places. In short our screening equipment is ancient and thats brings us back to technology deployment issues in Kenya Steve Obbayi, _____ From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Denis G. Wahome Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 3:52 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Air France: Turbulence brought it down? The air traffic control system is also quite ancient. I encourage you to take a trip to the control tower if you can. R D On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: Clearly you have not been to JKIA in the recent past. How does an International airport lack water for 4 whole days? Ludicrous. On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:15 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote: The "ban" of flight zones really apply to third world countries, mostly African. I understand that some of the airports in Italy and Spain are really overcrowded and uncontrolled, luggage gets lost etc etc.. But you don't hear anyone bothering them ... Some of the regularly hit terror zones in the world [the wider asia] are also never given these bans... But a "suspicion" of insecurity [without confirmation] or a "suspicion" of sub-standards are enough to make an African airline lose its hard earned status. I am not saying we should be lax, but one cant help wonder about these so called 'bans'... is it just me or are African air accidents more televised in the CNN [over and over again] than those involving developed countries ?? _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
Well i think on safety, they look at the stats on the number of pple ferried, the number of hours travelled in comparisson with the number of accidents that have happened over a stipulated period of time.eg Air france hav not experienced a major accident since 2005. This is why flying still remain the safest. On Flight 447, its good to note that the pilot was no newbie having well over 11000 hrs of flying and a 1000 of them with this particular plane that took him and the 227 on board. We pay tribute, and may their souls find peace with their Maker. -- Regards Mathu http://sojjar.blogspot.com
L -----Original Message----- From: Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 07:52:45 To: Skunkworks forum<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Air France: Turbulence brought it down? _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
Hi, Once flew an Emirates 777 ER200 to Hong Kong. Now Hong Kong is known for having typhoons (well, basically at a certain time of year the South China Sea is typhoon infested). It happened that the day we were arriving, there was a typhoon alert and all planes were being diverted, except ours coz it was a Heavy and the pilot was experienced enough to land in that weather. I have never been tossed that bad in a plane. People threw up and all sorts of stuff happened. But we landed safely. You should have heard guys cheer for the pilot. What I liked is that the cabin crew kept talking to us throughout the whole ordeal and informed us that if we sense power being increased then the pilot would have considered it unsafe to land and he would fly on to the next closest airport. Now on the ground, everything was shut down. I had a hard time getting a taxi as the typhoon alert means everyone goes home and battens down. There were no hotel rooms available, except a pent house suite (which I got authorisation from my boss to use), and so it was pretty good, but spent a pretty penny at the company's expense. All in all, I always take my hat off to those pilots. I have traveled quite a bit and had a good share of hair raising flights, but I must say, I still have full confidence in the aviation industry. Regards, ====================== Andrew Wafula Wapakala Web: www.wertsoft.com MSN: a_wafula@hotmail.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/awafula Blog: http://thewert.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================== If you have made mistakes...there is always another chance for you... you may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing we call 'failure' is not the falling down, but the staying down. - Mary Pickford "Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People" On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Hey Skunks where do you learn all this, Very educative
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi people turbulence can down a plane depending on how bad it is. Mich mentioned the ITCZ and severe thunderstorms that occur there. At the equator the clouds can go up to as high as 50,000 feet so even flying over is not an option. A cardinal rule for pilots is DO NOT FLY into a thunderstorm and if they really must they navigate through the regions with less turbulence. The weather radar in the cockpit of modern airliners highlights the trouble spots and it's his/her job to use that info to avoid it.
I once read of a guy who had a change in altitude of 20,000 feet when flying through a storm- pretty hectic and fortunate to have lived to tell the tale. Small planes can simply disintegrate due to the stresses on the structure.
Given we don't know the whole story yet but from initial info we can guess that the storm played a role in the incident. The black box(es) if found should reveal more.
@David ;) About our national carrier, the biggest measure of pilot's skill is in the landings and it's sad that they fall short. By the way those short african routes if they use a 737 could be flown by junior pilots still perfecting the art, pole sana for the hard landings. few and far between, not for long....
@ steve- about dodgy airports there's this one called Port elizabeth where winds over 80 km/h are not uncommon, I remember guys clapping for the pilot after the landing!
@aki- interesting that, they go through a lot of that!
On 03/06/2009, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
yeah but be warned. the installation with gobble up about 18GB of disk
space
after installation. (thats basic installation). its basically for the terrain, scenary, ground and air objects, buildings... well the whole works basically
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From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of aki Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 12:14 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Air France: Turbulence brought it down?
@ david, sorry need to make a small diversion...
@steve : maybe we find a way to put it online sometime when seacom etc is cheaper. I still have Su-27 Flanker, the only plane ever to execute a pugachev cobra! imho. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daOPK07baBw
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and while on planes, I just read about the Delta Airlines flights. Quote from Nation " Due to noted security vulnerabilities in and around Nairobi and the failure to meet international security standards and appropriate recommended practices established by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) at the Roberts International Airport in Monrovia, TSA is currently denying air service by Delta to Nairobi and Monrovia until security standards are met or security threat assessments change". Speaking to journalists in Nairobi yesterday, Kenya Airways managing director Titus Naikuni also echoed the security concerns raised by the TSA. “It is a fact that security needs to be improved at the airport and even us as an airline, have employed about 140 security officers to take charge of our facilities at the airport,” said Mr Naikuni. This to me seems like paranoia. Are other flights affected by security threat assesments and have cancelled? Is it at all SAFE to fly into and out of Nairobi and if so are other airlines exposing passengers to risks they know more about? So are airlines now looking for an Air Force escort in the skies while employing private guards on the ground? This story makes little sense. my simple thots. :-)
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:55 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
and while on planes, I just read about the Delta Airlines flights. Quote from Nation " Due to noted security vulnerabilities in and around Nairobi and the failure to meet international security standards and appropriate recommended practices established by the International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) at the Roberts International Airport in Monrovia, TSA is currently denying air service by Delta to Nairobi and Monrovia until security standards are met or security threat assessments change".
Speaking to journalists in Nairobi yesterday, Kenya Airways managing director Titus Naikuni also echoed the security concerns raised by the TSA. “It is a fact that security needs to be improved at the airport and even us as an airline, have employed about 140 security officers to take charge of our facilities at the airport,” said Mr Naikuni. This to me seems like paranoia. Are other flights affected by security threat assesments and have cancelled? Is it at all SAFE to fly into and out of Nairobi and if so are other airlines exposing passengers to risks they know more about? So are airlines now looking for an Air Force escort in the skies while employing private guards on the ground? This story makes little sense. my simple thots. :-)
What Naikuni said doesn't make sense. If anyone wants to shoot a JKIA bound plane, then they have all the stretch from Ngong Hills to JKIA. They can position themselves anywhere along that path, not just "at the airport". There have always been GSU patrols around the airport. This is the usual American paranoia. Beefing up secuirt at the airport will not stop Al Qaeda if they wanted to shoot a plane! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
some online info Roberts International Airport, Monrovia ( pretty clear why it sets a standard, I wonder how JKIA which I think is more modern and commercial is supposed to compete with this though ) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberts_International_Airport The facility with its 11,000 feet (3,400 m) long runway is an emergency landing site for the United States' Space Shuttle program<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_program>and the principal international airport in the country. Some history : In 1942, Liberia signed a Defense Pact with the United States. This commenced a period of strategic road building and other construction related to US military interests in checking the expansion of the Axis, particularly in terms of the Italian occupation of North Africa. The Airport was originally built by the United States government as an Air Force base as part of these activities.Robertsfield Airport was built with runways long enough for B-47 Stratojet <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-47_Stratojet>bombers to land for refueling, giving Liberia what was for many years the longest runway in Africa.[3]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberts_International_Airport#cite_note-2>President Franklin D. Roosevelt of the United States had lunch with President Edwin J. Barclay of Liberia at Roberts International Airport, during FDR's visit to Liberia in January 1943.
Hi, I have a phobia for planes, and this thread is killing me softly! Do you think if I fire up the simulator, I will be okay? if YES, let me know the best simulator. I appreciate that going up is optional, but coming down is a MUST. Kigz.
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Kigunda Mbogo <kigunda.mbogo@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi,
I have a phobia for planes, and this thread is killing me softly! Do you think if I fire up the simulator, I will be okay? if YES, let me know the best simulator.
I appreciate that going up is optional, but coming down is a MUST.
I have Flight Simulator but I think it will not help you if you've never gone into a flying classroom. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
LOL! :-) you also need a proper joystick eg MS sidewinder pro. most serious sims allow 360 degree view helmet modes for dog fights when you run out of ammo or need to retreat below radar view. These sims also have G force settings, so that faster/harder u climb ( blood rushes away from brain - screen starts to red out ) or vice versa. For phobia issue, start with a helicopter sim. these fly slow and you can enjoy the view too, land on someone's house or factory and have a chat. 2 sims I enjoyed but needed plenty of patience and reading: Falcon F16 and the ultimate Su 27 flanker, the crimean theatre.
promise its my last post for a while....but this is a must watch! F16 breaks sound barrier http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX04ySm4TTk
@Kiania: Sorry to hear that too, seems to happen ( only? ) on (some) african routes... On the international ones, however, i beg to disagree... As Gitts said below, out of ALL my KQ flights, practically 70% of the time, the pilot's been clapped for on landing ( yes, i keep a count.. ). I used to wonder why this was, until i made the ( blunder ) of switching to *other* European airlines, and realised that bumpy landings and serious ear-popping ( due to rapid descent ) were quite common @Barack: there's a great series called Air Crash Investigation ( DVD or DSTV ) that chronicles factors leading to disasters...very informative; and you'll never take another flight for granted again! :) On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi people turbulence can down a plane depending on how bad it is. Mich mentioned the ITCZ and severe thunderstorms that occur there. At the equator the clouds can go up to as high as 50,000 feet so even flying over is not an option. A cardinal rule for pilots is DO NOT FLY into a thunderstorm and if they really must they navigate through the regions with less turbulence. The weather radar in the cockpit of modern airliners highlights the trouble spots and it's his/her job to use that info to avoid it.
I once read of a guy who had a change in altitude of 20,000 feet when flying through a storm- pretty hectic and fortunate to have lived to tell the tale. Small planes can simply disintegrate due to the stresses on the structure.
Given we don't know the whole story yet but from initial info we can guess that the storm played a role in the incident. The black box(es) if found should reveal more.
@David ;) About our national carrier, the biggest measure of pilot's skill is in the landings and it's sad that they fall short. By the way those short african routes if they use a 737 could be flown by junior pilots still perfecting the art, pole sana for the hard landings. few and far between, not for long....
@ steve- about dodgy airports there's this one called Port elizabeth where winds over 80 km/h are not uncommon, I remember guys clapping for the pilot after the landing!
@aki- interesting that, they go through a lot of that!
On 03/06/2009, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
yeah but be warned. the installation with gobble up about 18GB of disk
space
after installation. (thats basic installation). its basically for the terrain, scenary, ground and air objects, buildings... well the whole works basically
_____
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@ david, sorry need to make a small diversion...
@steve : maybe we find a way to put it online sometime when seacom etc is cheaper. I still have Su-27 Flanker, the only plane ever to execute a pugachev cobra! imho. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daOPK07baBw
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@Mike/Barack: Actually after watching ACI you might never take another flight again! Very informative & interesting though... On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 8:23 AM, Michael Kamunge <forlogins@gmail.com> wrote:
@Kiania: Sorry to hear that too, seems to happen ( only? ) on (some) african routes... On the international ones, however, i beg to disagree... As Gitts said below, out of ALL my KQ flights, practically 70% of the time, the pilot's been clapped for on landing ( yes, i keep a count.. ). I used to wonder why this was, until i made the ( blunder ) of switching to *other* European airlines, and realised that bumpy landings and serious ear-popping ( due to rapid descent ) were quite common
@Barack: there's a great series called Air Crash Investigation ( DVD or DSTV ) that chronicles factors leading to disasters...very informative; and you'll never take another flight for granted again! :)
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 10:48 PM, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com>wrote:
Hi people turbulence can down a plane depending on how bad it is. Mich mentioned the ITCZ and severe thunderstorms that occur there. At the equator the clouds can go up to as high as 50,000 feet so even flying over is not an option. A cardinal rule for pilots is DO NOT FLY into a thunderstorm and if they really must they navigate through the regions with less turbulence. The weather radar in the cockpit of modern airliners highlights the trouble spots and it's his/her job to use that info to avoid it.
I once read of a guy who had a change in altitude of 20,000 feet when flying through a storm- pretty hectic and fortunate to have lived to tell the tale. Small planes can simply disintegrate due to the stresses on the structure.
Given we don't know the whole story yet but from initial info we can guess that the storm played a role in the incident. The black box(es) if found should reveal more.
@David ;) About our national carrier, the biggest measure of pilot's skill is in the landings and it's sad that they fall short. By the way those short african routes if they use a 737 could be flown by junior pilots still perfecting the art, pole sana for the hard landings. few and far between, not for long....
@ steve- about dodgy airports there's this one called Port elizabeth where winds over 80 km/h are not uncommon, I remember guys clapping for the pilot after the landing!
@aki- interesting that, they go through a lot of that!
On 03/06/2009, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:
yeah but be warned. the installation with gobble up about 18GB of disk
space
after installation. (thats basic installation). its basically for the terrain, scenary, ground and air objects, buildings... well the whole works basically
_____
From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of aki Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 12:14 PM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Air France: Turbulence brought it down?
@ david, sorry need to make a small diversion...
@steve : maybe we find a way to put it online sometime when seacom etc is cheaper. I still have Su-27 Flanker, the only plane ever to execute a pugachev cobra! imho. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daOPK07baBw
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:39 AM, John Ndambuki <johnmndambuki@gmail.com>wrote:
@Mike/Barack: Actually after watching ACI you might never take another flight again! Very informative & interesting though...
The fact is, every flight is as safe as God has planned it:) Traveling by road is safer than by air, only slower. Any rebbutants? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
Travelling by air is actually safer! and while we are at it why can't we have KQ flying to the US rather than have Delta come to us? or have we been banned there or joint venture with KLM will not allow it? -----Original Message----- From: Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com> Reply-to: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> To: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Air France: Turbulence brought it down? Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 10:47:23 +0300 On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:39 AM, John Ndambuki <johnmndambuki@gmail.com> wrote: @Mike/Barack: Actually after watching ACI you might never take another flight again! Very informative & interesting though... The fact is, every flight is as safe as God has planned it:) Traveling by road is safer than by air, only slower. Any rebbutants? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
Hey, Travelling by air is way safer than road! Regards, ====================== Andrew Wafula Wapakala Web: www.wertsoft.com MSN: a_wafula@hotmail.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/awafula Blog: http://thewert.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================== If you have made mistakes...there is always another chance for you... you may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing we call 'failure' is not the falling down, but the staying down. - Mary Pickford "Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People" 2009/6/4 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:39 AM, John Ndambuki <johnmndambuki@gmail.com>wrote:
@Mike/Barack: Actually after watching ACI you might never take another flight again! Very informative & interesting though...
The fact is, every flight is as safe as God has planned it:) Traveling by road is safer than by air, only slower. Any rebbutants?
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
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statistically flying is safer than travelling by road. If you want a free flight sim check out www.flightgear.org On 6/4/09, Andrew Wafula <awafula@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey, Travelling by air is way safer than road!
Regards,
====================== Andrew Wafula Wapakala Web: www.wertsoft.com MSN: a_wafula@hotmail.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/awafula Blog: http://thewert.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================== If you have made mistakes...there is always another chance for you... you may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing we call 'failure' is not the falling down, but the staying down. - Mary Pickford "Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People"
2009/6/4 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:39 AM, John Ndambuki <johnmndambuki@gmail.com>wrote:
@Mike/Barack: Actually after watching ACI you might never take another flight again! Very informative & interesting though...
The fact is, every flight is as safe as God has planned it:) Traveling by road is safer than by air, only slower. Any rebbutants?
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
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2009/6/4 Andrew Wafula <awafula@gmail.com>
Hey, Travelling by air is way safer than road!
Safer in the context of air being less crowded. If the roads were equally less crowded and drivers obeyed the law, road travel would much safer than is known now. Air travel is only safer because not every TD&H can afford to buy a plane:) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:36 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
They have isolated incidents of excellence like yours but they are few and far between.
Personally I have no beef with KQ, save for a single hard landing. My worst experience has been with Ethiopian. Dunno whether they're usually testing their shocks (if planes have any) but they don't touch down, they hit the ground :) BR, S -- "A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision." - Stolen from someone else's sig.
Don't you know that a landing is basically a controlled crash - a pilot told me that once. ====================== Andrew Wafula Wapakala Web: www.wertsoft.com MSN: a_wafula@hotmail.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/awafula Blog: http://thewert.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================== If you have made mistakes...there is always another chance for you... you may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing we call 'failure' is not the falling down, but the staying down. - Mary Pickford "Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People" On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 11:36 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
They have isolated incidents of excellence like yours but they are few
and
far between.
Personally I have no beef with KQ, save for a single hard landing.
My worst experience has been with Ethiopian. Dunno whether they're usually testing their shocks (if planes have any) but they don't touch down, they hit the ground :)
BR, S
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