Kenya Film Classification Board
Hi, Just had to pour this: Am getting disturbed every-time i see KFCB advert on TV. Not the advert itself but in the role they play and the message they want to pass to us; I have read their mandate on the web and is not very definitive. I may be a bit backward but am wondering; - Who are they telling NOT to buy unclassified films off the street. - What is a "film" in their definition. - Is online movie/streaming/downloading for personal viewing a "Film" at home/cellphone etc - Who classifies and what moral values they have. Have seen rated 16 that even u feel ashamed to watch with other people of my early 30's. - How does this classification work exactly, do they view the "film" then rate? - When you rate a "film" 18 and above and bring it after the 9oclock prime-time news on saturday/friday who should control - Parent or those we pay to safe-guard morals in the society? - Why are they advising us as viewers, yet themselves can't regulate the media who influences a lot of people than dvd's on the street? I watched media degenerate into this for the last 10 years and i didn't speak. - What of the evening explicit music shows - Does this fall under "film" - are they clasified. - Are they mandated to control the online film/content/movies/streaming - if so, do they have the legal mandate or technical know-how in dealing with this? - Finally - i no longer buy DVDs and many of us here do not, other that music (local). When that era is done what will they be regulating? - The future like one said here is streaming....etc. Will they be able to contols anything, anything i mean? Am not trying to undermine it, just to understand. If the KFCB role is only classification, who has the mandate to regulate content and not just classifications in Kenya? Kind Regards, Wilson./
Actually their ban on movies only arouses the curiosity driving sales up..recall the "woof of war street" that movie sold a lot greatly owing to the ban. Since this list is being watched let me categorically state I never watched it. :) On 19 Mar 2014 12:23, "Thuo Wilson" <lixton@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Just had to pour this:
Am getting disturbed every-time i see KFCB advert on TV. Not the advert itself but in the role they play and the message they want to pass to us;
I have read their mandate on the web and is not very definitive.
I may be a bit backward but am wondering;
- Who are they telling NOT to buy unclassified films off the street. - What is a "film" in their definition. - Is online movie/streaming/downloading for personal viewing a "Film" at home/cellphone etc - Who classifies and what moral values they have. Have seen rated 16 that even u feel ashamed to watch with other people of my early 30's. - How does this classification work exactly, do they view the "film" then rate? - When you rate a "film" 18 and above and bring it after the 9oclock prime-time news on saturday/friday who should control - Parent or those we pay to safe-guard morals in the society? - Why are they advising us as viewers, yet themselves can't regulate the media who influences a lot of people than dvd's on the street? I watched media degenerate into this for the last 10 years and i didn't speak. - What of the evening explicit music shows - Does this fall under "film" - are they clasified. - Are they mandated to control the online film/content/movies/streaming - if so, do they have the legal mandate or technical know-how in dealing with this? - Finally - i no longer buy DVDs and many of us here do not, other that music (local). When that era is done what will they be regulating? - The future like one said here is streaming....etc. Will they be able to contols anything, anything i mean?
Am not trying to undermine it, just to understand.
If the KFCB role is only classification, who has the mandate to regulate content and not just classifications in Kenya?
Kind Regards, Wilson./
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On 19 March 2014 18:49, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually their ban on movies only arouses the curiosity driving sales up..recall the "woof of war street" that movie sold a lot greatly owing to the ban. Since this list is being watched let me categorically state I never watched it. :)
My question has to do with the exact thing they do or where their mandate end. And us Kenyans we also need to inculcate moral values in our young generation - we watched Kenya head to the wrong direction and we must correct this. But who is paid to do this - KFCB, CCK or who exactly? Kind Regards, Wilson./
I will not support this notion, and it's probably for selfish reasons: Long response but the bottom line is this: Think of all the rest whose rights you want to infringe just because you don't want to take the responsibility of self-censorship. Longer version: I believe people should take responsibility for what they watch on TV. There are tonnes of channels. If you don't like one, switch! Have you ever thought of someone else who actually was looking forward to that movie/prog and is actually 18 and above? If you cannot control your household please don't take it out on the rest. Remember, the role of the board is not to ban 18 and over movies but to enforce the rule that the movie is correctly rated. A TV station should not be able to pass off an R Rated movie as PG. But the 18 and above viewers have a RIGHT to watch those boobs and sex on TV. They earned it by virtue of age. And it's *the board's mandate to protect this right as well*. The TV station has an obligation to show clearly the age rating of what they are about to air. If they don't you have every right to complain to the board. Once they show the rating, it is now upon you, as an adult, to make informed decision. Continuing to watch the show means you have accepted the responsibility that comes with it. So how do they do the rating? I heard that TVs must submit the movies they intend to air to the board for the board's rating and approval. If the board deems the movie too raunchy of course they will block it. Frankly this is why I stopped watching local stations. The nudity and profanity is part of the movie, it's part of what makes it complete. Would I watch it with my parents? Hell no. Food for thought: a) Sexuality is all about context. In some cases, the soaps are more sexual than the nudity in movies. Remember our ancestors (up until quite recently, I might add) used to operate topless. But it was not considered sexual. Same way you could see a woman breastfeeding and you dont "feel" anything (if you do, you are a perv. Get help!) b) Censorship is really for the masses. To bypass the censorship you only need to get out of mass media channels. DSTV, Internet, etc. There you are in control. Strangely enough, this also gives you more control in terms of household content viewership. c) As for heading toward wrong direction, I remember in the 90s,KBC, the only national TV then, usedto play lots of movies with nudity on Saturday nights. So this is not a new trend coming up. In fact TV station have become extremely soft of late. Disclaimer: I am seriously getting fed up with this "moral value" argument everytime someone wants to impose his/her dislikes on the rest of us. On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com> wrote:
On 19 March 2014 18:49, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually their ban on movies only arouses the curiosity driving sales up..recall the "woof of war street" that movie sold a lot greatly owing to the ban. Since this list is being watched let me categorically state I never watched it. :)
My question has to do with the exact thing they do or where their mandate end. And us Kenyans we also need to inculcate moral values in our young generation - we watched Kenya head to the wrong direction and we must correct this. But who is paid to do this - KFCB, CCK or who exactly?
Kind Regards, Wilson./
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On 19 March 2014 22:17, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com> wrote:
I will not support this notion, and it's probably for selfish reasons:
Long response but the bottom line is this: Think of all the rest whose rights you want to infringe just because you don't want to take the responsibility of self-censorship.
Longer version:
I believe people should take responsibility for what they watch on TV. There are tonnes of channels. If you don't like one, switch! Have you ever thought of someone else who actually was looking forward to that movie/prog and is actually 18 and above? If you cannot control your household please don't take it out on the rest. Remember, the role of the board is not to ban 18 and over movies but to enforce the rule that the movie is correctly rated. A TV station should not be able to pass off an R Rated movie as PG. But the 18 and above viewers have a RIGHT to watch those boobs and sex on TV. They earned it by virtue of age. And it's *the board's mandate to protect this right as well*.
The TV station has an obligation to show clearly the age rating of what they are about to air. If they don't you have every right to complain to the board. Once they show the rating, it is now upon you, as an adult, to make informed decision. Continuing to watch the show means you have accepted the responsibility that comes with it.
So how do they do the rating?
I heard that TVs must submit the movies they intend to air to the board for the board's rating and approval. If the board deems the movie too raunchy of course they will block it.
Frankly this is why I stopped watching local stations. The nudity and profanity is part of the movie, it's part of what makes it complete. Would I watch it with my parents? Hell no.
Food for thought: a) Sexuality is all about context. In some cases, the soaps are more sexual than the nudity in movies. Remember our ancestors (up until quite recently, I might add) used to operate topless. But it was not considered sexual. Same way you could see a woman breastfeeding and you dont "feel" anything (if you do, you are a perv. Get help!)
b) Censorship is really for the masses. To bypass the censorship you only need to get out of mass media channels. DSTV, Internet, etc. There you are in control. Strangely enough, this also gives you more control in terms of household content viewership.
c) As for heading toward wrong direction, I remember in the 90s,KBC, the only national TV then, usedto play lots of movies with nudity on Saturday nights. So this is not a new trend coming up. In fact TV station have become extremely soft of late. Why are they advising us as viewers, yet themselves can't regulate the media who influences a lot of people than dvd's on the street? I watched media degenerate into this for the last 10 years and i didn't speak.- then who should or should not?
Disclaimer: I am seriously getting fed up with this "moral value" argument every-time someone wants to impose his/her dislikes on the rest of us.
Thanks @Tech, You deviated from the context abit though.... and also "content" isn't just about sex, but also cult, crime, violence, language, class, religion, lifestyle, social engagement etc etc Am not questioning or saying what or who should - mine goes to the mandate. And if not the KFCB that does content who does in KE. Back to the question: My questions are rather general and not targeting "anyone in any way ;)" - Who are they telling NOT to buy unclassified films off the street. - What is a "film" in their definition. - Is online movie/streaming/downloading for personal viewing a "Film" at home/cellphone etc - Who classifies and what moral values they have. Have seen rated 16 that even u feel ashamed to watch with other people of my early 30's. - How does this classification work exactly, do they view the "film" then rate? - You answered this satisfactorily - they view it first - When you rate a "film" 18 and above and bring it after the 9oclock prime-time news on saturday/friday who should control - Parent or those we pay to safe-guard morals in the society? - Why are they advising us as viewers, yet themselves can't regulate the media who influences a lot of people than dvd's on the street? I watched media degenerate into this for the last 10 years and i didn't speak.- then who should or should not? - What of the evening explicit music shows - Does this fall under "film" - are they classified. - Are they mandated to control the online film/content/movies/streaming - if so, do they have the legal mandate or technical know-how in dealing with this? - Finally - i no longer buy DVDs and many of us here do not, other that music (local). When that era is done what will they be regulating? - The future like one said here is streaming....etc. Will they be able to controls anything, anything i mean? Kind Regards, Wilson./
Usually, films go through MPAA rating - http://www.mpaa.org/ratings Many of your questions are answered by that.
Who are they telling NOT to buy unclassified films off the street. - Everyone, including me. All films should go through rating based on content and context. The MPAA rating should suffice but countries are free to revise based on their own standard. Some even lower the age (France, Germany, for instance). An NC-17 would be rated U-16 in France. Is online movie/streaming/downloading for personal viewing a "Film" at home/cellphone etc - Yes
When you rate a "film" 18 and above and bring it after the 9oclockprime-time news on saturday/friday who should control - Parent or those we pay to safe-guard morals in the society? - They have done their duty by informing you that this movie is unsuitable for under 18yrs, if you continue to watch now it's your problem. Again, remember there are those over 18 who qualify to watch and have the right. Censoring the movie would be denying them rights. Finally - i no longer buy DVDs and many of us here do not, other that music (local). When that era is done what will they be regulating? - The future like one said here is streaming....etc. Will they be able to controls anything, anything i mean? - You will be surprised how many buy DVDs. There is an entire industry for that. That said, you have a point. Streaming is next frontier. The beauty with streaming is that you get more control over what is streamed. However, being offered something doesn't mean you have to accept it. (Read on offer and acceptance law of contract). The decision still rests with you. Should the film board validate what's offered for download/streaming? Maybe, maybe not. I know for sure that the content in Mnet Action in Kenya is very different from Mnet Zambia, for instance. But as long as these movies exist, people will watch them. The best option is to leave the decision with us, adults to decide what to watch and what not to watch
I don't know why I find these questions easy to answer with just this: "Watch what you want, don't watch what you don't want to and let others be!" On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Thuo Wilson <lixton@gmail.com> wrote:
On 19 March 2014 22:17, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com> wrote:
I will not support this notion, and it's probably for selfish reasons:
Long response but the bottom line is this: Think of all the rest whose rights you want to infringe just because you don't want to take the responsibility of self-censorship.
Longer version:
I believe people should take responsibility for what they watch on TV. There are tonnes of channels. If you don't like one, switch! Have you ever thought of someone else who actually was looking forward to that movie/prog and is actually 18 and above? If you cannot control your household please don't take it out on the rest. Remember, the role of the board is not to ban 18 and over movies but to enforce the rule that the movie is correctly rated. A TV station should not be able to pass off an R Rated movie as PG. But the 18 and above viewers have a RIGHT to watch those boobs and sex on TV. They earned it by virtue of age. And it's *the board's mandate to protect this right as well*.
The TV station has an obligation to show clearly the age rating of what they are about to air. If they don't you have every right to complain to the board. Once they show the rating, it is now upon you, as an adult, to make informed decision. Continuing to watch the show means you have accepted the responsibility that comes with it.
So how do they do the rating?
I heard that TVs must submit the movies they intend to air to the board for the board's rating and approval. If the board deems the movie too raunchy of course they will block it.
Frankly this is why I stopped watching local stations. The nudity and profanity is part of the movie, it's part of what makes it complete. Would I watch it with my parents? Hell no.
Food for thought: a) Sexuality is all about context. In some cases, the soaps are more sexual than the nudity in movies. Remember our ancestors (up until quite recently, I might add) used to operate topless. But it was not considered sexual. Same way you could see a woman breastfeeding and you dont "feel" anything (if you do, you are a perv. Get help!)
b) Censorship is really for the masses. To bypass the censorship you only need to get out of mass media channels. DSTV, Internet, etc. There you are in control. Strangely enough, this also gives you more control in terms of household content viewership.
c) As for heading toward wrong direction, I remember in the 90s,KBC, the only national TV then, usedto play lots of movies with nudity on Saturday nights. So this is not a new trend coming up. In fact TV station have become extremely soft of late. Why are they advising us as viewers, yet themselves can't regulate the media who influences a lot of people than dvd's on the street? I watched media degenerate into this for the last 10 years and i didn't speak.- then who should or should not?
Disclaimer: I am seriously getting fed up with this "moral value" argument every-time someone wants to impose his/her dislikes on the rest of us.
Thanks @Tech,
You deviated from the context abit though.... and also "content" isn't just about sex, but also cult, crime, violence, language, class, religion, lifestyle, social engagement etc etc Am not questioning or saying what or who should - mine goes to the mandate. And if not the KFCB that does content who does in KE.
Back to the question:
My questions are rather general and not targeting "anyone in any way ;)"
- Who are they telling NOT to buy unclassified films off the street. - What is a "film" in their definition. - Is online movie/streaming/downloading for personal viewing a "Film" at home/cellphone etc - Who classifies and what moral values they have. Have seen rated 16 that even u feel ashamed to watch with other people of my early 30's. - How does this classification work exactly, do they view the "film" then rate? - You answered this satisfactorily - they view it first - When you rate a "film" 18 and above and bring it after the 9oclock prime-time news on saturday/friday who should control - Parent or those we pay to safe-guard morals in the society? - Why are they advising us as viewers, yet themselves can't regulate the media who influences a lot of people than dvd's on the street? I watched media degenerate into this for the last 10 years and i didn't speak.- then who should or should not? - What of the evening explicit music shows - Does this fall under "film" - are they classified. - Are they mandated to control the online film/content/movies/streaming - if so, do they have the legal mandate or technical know-how in dealing with this? - Finally - i no longer buy DVDs and many of us here do not, other that music (local). When that era is done what will they be regulating? - The future like one said here is streaming....etc. Will they be able to controls anything, anything i mean?
Kind Regards, Wilson./
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On 20 March 2014 11:33, Tech List Kenya <techlistkenya@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know why I find these questions easy to answer with just this: "Watch what you want, don't watch what you don't want to and let others be!"
You answered pretty well but you de-answered (is there a word like that) on the above comment. If so why does KFCB exist? Who managed/regulates content in KE and *not just *classification. Did KFCB ever ask us (forum or anything else) how we may want them classified? - *don't answer this, its food for thought.* Kind Regards, Wilson./
Now they are telling us not to watch Action movies - what the heck?
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