Hehe, 10 - nil On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

Hehehe

./Ok3ch

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Ben mukash <mukashh@gmail.com> wrote:

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Guys check this out http://www.safaricon.co.kehttp://www.safaricon.co.ke/

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hahahhahhahhha...tehehhhtehhhehettehh On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

Hehehe

./Ok3ch

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Ben mukash <mukashh@gmail.com> wrote:

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Guys check this out http://www.safaricon.co.kehttp://www.safaricon.co.ke/

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So can someone get sued for this? On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM, mabeya conseray <mbshem@gmail.com> wrote:

aa ahi

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com>wrote:

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hahahhahhahhha...tehehhhtehhhehettehh

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hehehe

./Ok3ch

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Ben mukash <mukashh@gmail.com> wrote:

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Guys check this out http://www.safaricon.co.kehttp://www.safaricon.co.ke/

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Since its a .co.ke it can be put down On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:47 PM, TheBigBoss <thebigboss@peperuka.com>wrote:

I think so !

On 16 May 2011 12:43, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:

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So can someone get sued for this?

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM, mabeya conseray <mbshem@gmail.com> wrote:

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aa ahi

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com> wrote:

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hahahhahhahhha...tehehhhtehhhehettehh

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>

wrote:

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Hehehe

./Ok3ch

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Ben mukash <mukashh@gmail.com>

wrote:

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Guys check this out http://www.safaricon.co.kehttp://www.safaricon.co.ke/

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From my end, the account has been suspended.

On 16/05/2011, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com> wrote:

i dont think so , it something to do with freedom of speech but if it was sponsored by a competitor ..someones gonna go down..... in any case read the stories am sure none are false and we've all experienced them ....so safcom should look at them and maybe join to offer solutions to those subscribers

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

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Since its a .co.ke it can be put down

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:47 PM, TheBigBoss <thebigboss@peperuka.com>wrote:

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I think so !

On 16 May 2011 12:43, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:

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So can someone get sued for this?

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM, mabeya conseray <mbshem@gmail.com> wrote:

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aa ahi

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com> wrote:

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hahahhahhahhha...tehehhhtehhhehettehh

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>

wrote:

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> > Hehehe > > ./Ok3ch > > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Ben mukash <mukashh@gmail.com> wrote: > > Guys check this out > > http://www.safaricon.co.kehttp://www.safaricon.co.ke/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Skunkworks mailing list > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > > ------------ > > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke

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Domain InformationQuery: safaricon.co.keStatus: ActiveCreated: 15 Apr 2011 Modified: 12 May 2011Expires: 15 Apr 2012Name Servers: ns1.primesecureservers.net ns2.primesecureservers.net Registrar Information Registrar Name: Mambo Microsystems Registrant: International Name: Blackyard Technologies LtdInternational Organisation: Blackyard Technologies LtdInternational Address: Box 5259 Nairobi 00506 KE Phone Number: 0208019036 Admin Contact:International Name: Domains AdminInternational Organisation: mambo microsystemsInternational Address: 20721-00100, aga khan walk nairobi KE Email Address: info@mambo.co.kePhone Number: 0202245878 Technical Contact: International Name: Domains AdminInternational Organisation: mambo microsystemsInternational Address: 20721-00100, aga khan walk nairobi KE Email Address: info@mambo.co.kePhone Number: 0202245878 Billing Contact: International Name: Domains AdminInternational Organisation: mambo microsystemsInternational Address: 20721-00100, aga khan walk nairobi KE Email Address: info@mambo.co.kePhone Number: 0202245878 Regards Jared Koyier On 16 May 2011 12:48, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

Since its a .co.ke it can be put down

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:47 PM, TheBigBoss <thebigboss@peperuka.com>wrote:

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I think so !

On 16 May 2011 12:43, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:

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So can someone get sued for this?

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:36 PM, mabeya conseray <mbshem@gmail.com> wrote:

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aa ahi

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com> wrote:

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hahahhahhahhha...tehehhhtehhhehettehh

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>

wrote:

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...

...

Hehehe

./Ok3ch

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Ben mukash <mukashh@gmail.com>

wrote:

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On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 12:48, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

Since its a .co.ke it can be put down

Under what circumstances can a domain name be brought down in the .KE realm? I did not find any useful link in KENIC website. Anyway, IMO, there is no harm in people airing their views/opinions via any media, even using the web. So my take is that unless some criminal activity can be revealed from this website, there is no offence committed by just having it. However, I'd like to say that whoever did this could have used his/her energies elsewhere. Whatever problem they have with Safaricom can be addressed another way. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. Please consider the environment before printing this email.

From recent ongoings and reports in the media ( http://www.cio.co.ke/Main-Stories/safaricom-to-sue-number-portability-firm.h...) may as well be the work of competitors who rather than focusing on attracting news subscribers have opted to hitting below the belt as a strategy.

if i were safaricom, i would hire a dedicated staff to address the issues raised, beat them at their own game.... On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Derrick Wesonga <wesongaderrick@gmail.com>wrote:

I give it two weeks max. It can't survive for too long

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Legally.. This act is way too risky its just not worth it!! On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:

Never going to happen. It would probably cost much more to sort out the issues raised than it would to sue these guys.

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:22 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:

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if i were safaricom, i would hire a dedicated staff to address the issues raised, beat them at their own game....

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Derrick Wesonga < wesongaderrick@gmail.com> wrote:

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I give it two weeks max. It can't survive for too long

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Hehehe, just an idea....say safaricom want this domain for a service like safaricom connect = safaricon On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:

Am sure some Kenyan hackers are already bidding on this......@Safcom, would you like someone to deface/reface this site at KSH. 1,000,000? Contact Skunks offlist

Regards Jared Koyier

On 16 May 2011 14:26, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:

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Never going to happen. It would probably cost much more to sort out the issues raised than it would to sue these guys.

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:22 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:

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if i were safaricom, i would hire a dedicated staff to address the issues raised, beat them at their own game....

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Derrick Wesonga < wesongaderrick@gmail.com> wrote:

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I give it two weeks max. It can't survive for too long

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and by the way the safcom official site had been defaced...now its down for maintenance..LOL On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:08 PM, kevin mutumah <kkmtumah@gmail.com> wrote:

Jared,lenga being a snitch. There safcom memebers on the list

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hehehe, just an idea....say safaricom want this domain for a service like safaricom connect = safaricon

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com>wrote:

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Am sure some Kenyan hackers are already bidding on this......@Safcom, would you like someone to deface/reface this site at KSH. 1,000,000? Contact Skunks offlist

Regards Jared Koyier

On 16 May 2011 14:26, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:

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Never going to happen. It would probably cost much more to sort out the issues raised than it would to sue these guys.

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:22 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:

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if i were safaricom, i would hire a dedicated staff to address the issues raised, beat them at their own game....

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Derrick Wesonga < wesongaderrick@gmail.com> wrote:

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I give it two weeks max. It can't survive for too long

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i have been trying to check it out all day On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

We should post that on safaricon.co.ke

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Simon Wainaina <swainaina@gmail.com>wrote:

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and by the way the safcom official site had been defaced...now its down for maintenance..LOL

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:08 PM, kevin mutumah <kkmtumah@gmail.com>wrote:

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Jared,lenga being a snitch. There safcom memebers on the list

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com>wrote:

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Hehehe, just an idea....say safaricom want this domain for a service like safaricom connect = safaricon

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com>wrote:

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Am sure some Kenyan hacken the rs are already bidding on this......@Safcom, would you like someone to deface/reface this site at KSH. 1,000,000? Contact Skunks offlist

Regards Jared Koyier

On 16 May 2011 14:26, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:

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Never going to happen. It would probably cost much more to sort out the issues raised than it would to sue these guys.

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:22 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com > wrote:

> if i were safaricom, i would hire a dedicated staff to address the > issues raised, beat them at their own game.... > > > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Derrick Wesonga < > wesongaderrick@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I give it two weeks max. It can't survive for too long >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments > of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth > of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a > means of protecting corporate power against democracy”* > > ~ Alex Carey ~ > > Tel No: 0x2af23696 > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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its here http://www.imageupload.org/?d=4A6EEAC41 On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:

Anyone who got the snapshot for it then i blog it at hackedafricazone.blogspot.com.

Photo or it never was!

On 5/16/11, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com> wrote:

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i have been trying to check it out all day

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

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We should post that on safaricon.co.ke

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Simon Wainaina <swainaina@gmail.com>wrote:

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and by the way the safcom official site had been defaced...now its down for maintenance..LOL

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:08 PM, kevin mutumah <kkmtumah@gmail.com wrote:

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Jared,lenga being a snitch. There safcom memebers on the list

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com wrote:

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Hehehe, just an idea....say safaricom want this domain for a service like safaricom connect = safaricon

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com>wrote:

> Am sure some Kenyan hacken the rs are already bidding on > this......@Safcom, would you like someone to deface/reface this site > at KSH. 1,000,000? Contact Skunks offlist > > > Regards > Jared Koyier > > > On 16 May 2011 14:26, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote: > >> Never going to happen. It would probably cost much more to sort out >> the issues raised than it would to sue these guys. >> >> >> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:22 PM, [ Brainiac ] < arebacollins@gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >>> if i were safaricom, i would hire a dedicated staff to address the >>> issues raised, beat them at their own game.... >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Derrick Wesonga < >>> wesongaderrick@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I give it two weeks max. It can't survive for too long >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments >>> of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth >>> of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a >>> means of protecting corporate power against democracy”* >>> >>> ~ Alex Carey ~ >>> >>> Tel No: 0x2af23696 >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> >> Brian Ngure >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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get sued for what exactly? On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

http://awesomescreenshot.com/034d32n25

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

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its here http://www.imageupload.org/?d=4A6EEAC41

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:

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Anyone who got the snapshot for it then i blog it at hackedafricazone.blogspot.com.

Photo or it never was!

On 5/16/11, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com> wrote:

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i have been trying to check it out all day

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

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We should post that on safaricon.co.ke

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Simon Wainaina <swainaina@gmail.com>wrote:

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and by the way the safcom official site had been defaced...now its down for maintenance..LOL

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 3:08 PM, kevin mutumah <kkmtumah@gmail.com wrote:

> Jared,lenga being a snitch. There safcom memebers on the list > > > On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com wrote: > >> Hehehe, just an idea....say safaricom want this domain for a service >> like safaricom connect = safaricon >> >> >> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Jared Koyier >> <jaredkoyier@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Am sure some Kenyan hacken the rs are already bidding on >>> this......@Safcom, would you like someone to deface/reface this site >>> at KSH. 1,000,000? Contact Skunks offlist >>> >>> >>> Regards >>> Jared Koyier >>> >>> >>> On 16 May 2011 14:26, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Never going to happen. It would probably cost much more to sort out >>>> the issues raised than it would to sue these guys. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:22 PM, [ Brainiac ] < arebacollins@gmail.com >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> if i were safaricom, i would hire a dedicated staff to address the >>>>> issues raised, beat them at their own game.... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Derrick Wesonga < >>>>> wesongaderrick@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I give it two weeks max. It can't survive for too long >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments >>>>> of great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth >>>>> of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a >>>>> means of protecting corporate power against democracy”* >>>>> >>>>> ~ Alex Carey ~ >>>>> >>>>> Tel No: 0x2af23696 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Brian Ngure >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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hehehe, guys are lost, zone-h doesnt show much too except, which was done last decade, http://zone-h.org/mirror/id/7997428 On 5/16/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

can't see any evidence that Safaricom was hacked, unless people are already confusing safaricom.co.ke with safaricon.co.ke

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hehe it's down already!!!!!

I would love to see its Analytics report On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

You did not read:

Safaricon

Please bear while we upgrade the user interface. Kindly check back again soon.

But most likely............

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Can the site owners be sued for defamation? Just wondering ... ./bernard sent from my android device. On May 17, 2011 9:43 AM, "Gichuki John Chuksjonia" <chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:

Atleast the main Safarcom website is back, http://www.safaricom.co.ke/

It was down almost the whole day.

On 5/17/11, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

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I would love to see its Analytics report

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

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You did not read:

Safaricon

Please bear while we upgrade the user interface. Kindly check back again soon.

But most likely............

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Well I guess the challenge is on both parties. However, is it an infringement of copywrite to "deface" an ad banner like "(s)Niko na safaricom"? ./bernard sent from my android device. On May 17, 2011 10:57 AM, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:

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Can the site owners be sued for defamation? Just wondering ...

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Just in from Facebook: "Safaricon Sucks: Unfortunately the folks at Safaricon have twisted KeNIc into suspending our account. No problem though, we will launch our website soon under a new top-level domain. We will definitely keep you posted....sincerely Safaricon SucksTeam." ./Ok3ch On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:10 AM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:

He didn't mention Safaricom did he? Who is Safaricon?

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Well I guess the challenge is on both parties. However, is it an infringement of copywrite to "deface" an ad banner like "(s)Niko na safaricom"?

./bernard sent from my android device.

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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:

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Can the site owners be sued for defamation? Just wondering ...

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Turns out they can. And from their Uniform Domain Name Dispute Resolution Policy, any of these can be used as an excuse http://goo.gl/4LJra On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 17:15, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:

Does this mean that KeNic can be arm twisted into DE-registering account of another company. Minch what is the true position on this?

Regards

David K

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Just in from Facebook:

"Safaricon Sucks: Unfortunately the folks at Safaricon have twisted KeNIc into suspending our account. No problem though, we will launch our website soon under a new top-level domain. We will definitely keep you posted....sincerely Safaricon SucksTeam."

./Ok3ch

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:10 AM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:

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He didn't mention Safaricom did he? Who is Safaricon?

On 5/17/11, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:

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Well I guess the challenge is on both parties. However, is it an infringement of copywrite to "deface" an ad banner like "(s)Niko na safaricom"?

./bernard sent from my android device.

On May 17, 2011 10:57 AM, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:

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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com

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Can the site owners be sued for defamation? Just wondering ...

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Serves them right! Everyone should mind their own business and not profit from another's perceived shortcomings unless you want to play in their league. Why can't SafaricoN become a telco first, then they start competing on the alleged failures by Safaricom? Wanapenda pesa ya bure na hawatapata. We'll hunt them whenever they land. Bure kabisa! KP On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:

Kenic is in order, I think this is negative energy, it is true Safaricom as any other provider may have plenty of shortcomings but we must appreciate the companies contribution to society, let's focus on positive aspects in the society, it might be a boost to our Gdp growth rate :-)

@ Mich well said but in this case the intention is clear, smells Malice. Cheers! On 5/19/11, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote:

On 5/19/11 5:15 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd wrote:

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Does this mean that KeNic can be arm twisted into DE-registering account of another company. Minch what is the true position on this?

I dont know what the current dispute resolution policy says - hence it would probably require legal interpretation.

IMHO www.safaricon.co.ke is not safaricom.co.ke hence the issue of registration "in bad faith" would only come into play if they were using the said content on a domain like safaricom.or.ke or something similar to safaricom.

Do you remember the story of www.whitehouse.gov, whitehouse.org and www.whitehouse.gov?. If not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehouse.com

IMHO, where the name is different that cannot be interpreted to be in bad faith since the domain or the name safaricon doesnt belong to them.

In other words, the same folks can go and register a domain with a completely different name and still achieve the same objectives. KENIC would have no grounds to shut them down. So if the posting is correct, they are likely going to go to an TLD outside Kenya (see above whitehouse.gov story) so it would be a different level of engagement for Safaricom when someone registers safaricon.com which as we speak is open for registration! :|

KENIC are likely to open a pandora's box because it means anyone who registers a name in future like safaricom.or.ke or safaricon.or.ke will likely have a problem too. wont they?

my 2 cents!

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Who gives anyone the right to decide what the owner of the domain intends to do with it - if you think its malice, thats your issue, not the owners. I think Mich has pointed out everything in the way it should be. If you love SafferingCon, please know that there are millions of others who hate it and they have a right to their own opinion. ./Ok3ch On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:20 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:

a whois query shows the domain as active, this could have little to do with Kenic

++++++ there's an app for that :-p

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@ Mich well said but in this case the intention is clear, smells Malice. Cheers!

On 5/19/11, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote:

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On 5/19/11 5:15 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd wrote:

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Does this mean that KeNic can be arm twisted into DE-registering account of another company. Minch what is the true position on this?

I dont know what the current dispute resolution policy says - hence it would probably require legal interpretation.

IMHO www.safaricon.co.ke is not safaricom.co.ke hence the issue of registration "in bad faith" would only come into play if they were using the said content on a domain like safaricom.or.ke or something similar to safaricom.

Do you remember the story of www.whitehouse.gov, whitehouse.org and www.whitehouse.gov?. If not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehouse.com

IMHO, where the name is different that cannot be interpreted to be in bad faith since the domain or the name safaricon doesnt belong to them.

In other words, the same folks can go and register a domain with a completely different name and still achieve the same objectives. KENIC would have no grounds to shut them down. So if the posting is correct, they are likely going to go to an TLD outside Kenya (see above whitehouse.gov story) so it would be a different level of engagement for Safaricom when someone registers safaricon.com which as we speak is open for registration! :|

KENIC are likely to open a pandora's box because it means anyone who registers a name in future like safaricom.or.ke or safaricon.or.ke will likely have a problem too. wont they?

my 2 cents!

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This negative energy argument mystifies me. I believe the constitution entitles everyone to freedom of speech. These people find Safaricom objectionable and are expressing themselves. It came across to me as a mixture of a parody and a forum for aggrieved customers to share. Safaricom has every right to take them to court if they feel the site slanders them. If they have in any way broken the law let the full force of the law take it's course. I find the idea that Safaricom is somehow sacred because it is a big company and we have shares in it ludicrous. I would not mind if it was shut down because it was found to be illegal. But 'negative energy'? No. There is no law that says we must be 'positive'. We must be mature enough to be able to take positive criticism in out stride. We must also be able to shrug off unwarranted criticism. Time is very kind to the truth and does not need our assistance. That's the thing with democracy. You might find others' ideas objectionable but you'd better fight for their right to express them. Or one day your own will be classifies as 'negative energy', an excuse might i remind that dictators are fond of when dealing with dissent. Give thanks to the Jaramogis and Shikukus of this world who refused to toe the line of 'non negativity' and opened the doors to multiparty democracy. On Friday, May 20, 2011, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok3, its not a question of loving or hating a company its a question of culture, if you are dissatisfied with a company take it to court, we don't need this kind of negative energy when we are building foundations of our economy, let's be objective there is the letter of the law and the spirit, let's uphold the spirit.

On 5/20/11, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Who gives anyone the right to decide what the owner of the domain intends to do with it - if you think its malice, thats your issue, not the owners. I think Mich has pointed out everything in the way it should be. If you love SafferingCon, please know that there are millions of others who hate it and they have a right to their own opinion.

./Ok3ch

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:20 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:

...

a whois query shows the domain as active, this could have little to do with Kenic

++++++ there's an app for that :-p

On May 19, 2011 7:02 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@ Mich well said but in this case the intention is clear, smells Malice. Cheers!

On 5/19/11, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

On 5/19/11 5:15 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd wrote:

...

Does this mean that KeNic can be arm twisted into DE-registering account of another company. Minch what is the true position on this?

I dont know what the current dispute resolution policy says - hence it would probably require legal interpretation.

IMHO www.safaricon.co.ke is not safaricom.co.ke hence the issue of registration "in bad faith" would only come into play if they were using the said content on a domain like safaricom.or.ke or something similar to safaricom.

Do you remember the story of www.whitehouse.gov, whitehouse.org and www.whitehouse.gov?. If not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehouse.com

IMHO, where the name is different that cannot be interpreted to be in bad faith since the domain or the name safaricon doesnt belong to them.

In other words, the same folks can go and register a domain with a completely different name and still achieve the same objectives. KENIC would have no grounds to shut them down. So if the posting is correct, they are likely going to go to an TLD outside Kenya (see above whitehouse.gov story) so it would be a different level of engagement for Safaricom when someone registers safaricon.com which as we speak is open for registration! :|

KENIC are likely to open a pandora's box because it means anyone who registers a name in future like safaricom.or.ke or safaricon.or.ke will likely have a problem too. wont they?

my 2 cents!

Regards,

Michuki.

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its your right to vent and rant whether its in .com or billboard wise or printing t-shirts for that matter. On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 7:46 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:

Ok3, its not a question of loving or hating a company its a question of culture, if you are dissatisfied with a company take it to court, we don't need this kind of negative energy when we are building foundations of our economy, let's be objective there is the letter of the law and the spirit, let's uphold the spirit.

On 5/20/11, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Who gives anyone the right to decide what the owner of the domain intends to do with it - if you think its malice, thats your issue, not the owners. I think Mich has pointed out everything in the way it should be. If you love SafferingCon, please know that there are millions of others who hate it and they have a right to their own opinion.

./Ok3ch

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:20 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:

...

a whois query shows the domain as active, this could have little to do with Kenic

++++++ there's an app for that :-p

On May 19, 2011 7:02 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@ Mich well said but in this case the intention is clear, smells Malice. Cheers!

On 5/19/11, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

On 5/19/11 5:15 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd wrote:

...

Does this mean that KeNic can be arm twisted into DE-registering account of another company. Minch what is the true position on this?

I dont know what the current dispute resolution policy says - hence it would probably require legal interpretation.

IMHO www.safaricon.co.ke is not safaricom.co.ke hence the issue of registration "in bad faith" would only come into play if they were using the said content on a domain like safaricom.or.ke or something similar to safaricom.

Do you remember the story of www.whitehouse.gov, whitehouse.org and www.whitehouse.gov?. If not

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehouse.com

...

IMHO, where the name is different that cannot be interpreted to be in bad faith since the domain or the name safaricon doesnt belong to

them.

...

In other words, the same folks can go and register a domain with a completely different name and still achieve the same objectives. KENIC would have no grounds to shut them down. So if the posting is correct, they are likely going to go to an TLD outside Kenya (see above whitehouse.gov story) so it would be a different level of engagement

for

...

Safaricom when someone registers safaricon.com which as we speak is open for registration! :|

KENIC are likely to open a pandora's box because it means anyone who registers a name in future like safaricom.or.ke or safaricon.or.kewill likely have a problem too. wont they?

my 2 cents!

Regards,

Michuki.

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This negative energy argument mystifies me. I believe the constitution entitles everyone to freedom of speech. These people find Safaricom objectionable and are expressing themselves. It came across to me as a mixture of a parody and a forum for aggrieved customers to share. Safaricom has every right to take them to court if they feel the site slanders them. If they have in any way broken the law let the full force of the law take it's course. I find the idea that Safaricom is somehow sacred because it is a big company and we have shares in it ludicrous. I would not mind if it was shut down because it was found to be illegal. But 'negative energy'? No. There is no law that says we must be 'positive'. We must be mature enough to be able to take positive criticism in out stride. We must also be able to shrug off unwarranted criticism. Time is very kind to the truth and does not need our assistance. That's the thing with democracy. You might find others' ideas objectionable but you'd better fight for their right to express them. Or one day your own will be classifies as 'negative energy', an excuse might i remind that dictators are fond of when dealing with dissent. Give thanks to the Jaramogis and Shikukus of this world who refused to toe the line of 'non negativity' and opened the doors to multiparty democracy. On Friday, May 20, 2011, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok3, its not a question of loving or hating a company its a question of culture, if you are dissatisfied with a company take it to court, we don't need this kind of negative energy when we are building foundations of our economy, let's be objective there is the letter of the law and the spirit, let's uphold the spirit.

On 5/20/11, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Who gives anyone the right to decide what the owner of the domain intends to do with it - if you think its malice, thats your issue, not the owners. I think Mich has pointed out everything in the way it should be. If you love SafferingCon, please know that there are millions of others who hate it and they have a right to their own opinion.

./Ok3ch

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:20 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:

...

a whois query shows the domain as active, this could have little to do with Kenic

++++++ there's an app for that :-p

On May 19, 2011 7:02 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@ Mich well said but in this case the intention is clear, smells Malice. Cheers!

On 5/19/11, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

On 5/19/11 5:15 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd wrote:

...

Does this mean that KeNic can be arm twisted into DE-registering account of another company. Minch what is the true position on this?

I dont know what the current dispute resolution policy says - hence it would probably require legal interpretation.

IMHO www.safaricon.co.ke is not safaricom.co.ke hence the issue of registration "in bad faith" would only come into play if they were using the said content on a domain like safaricom.or.ke or something similar to safaricom.

Do you remember the story of www.whitehouse.gov, whitehouse.org and www.whitehouse.gov?. If not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehouse.com

IMHO, where the name is different that cannot be interpreted to be in bad faith since the domain or the name safaricon doesnt belong to them.

In other words, the same folks can go and register a domain with a completely different name and still achieve the same objectives. KENIC would have no grounds to shut them down. So if the posting is correct, they are likely going to go to an TLD outside Kenya (see above whitehouse.gov story) so it would be a different level of engagement for Safaricom when someone registers safaricon.com which as we speak is open for registration! :|

KENIC are likely to open a pandora's box because it means anyone who registers a name in future like safaricom.or.ke or safaricon.or.ke will likely have a problem too. wont they?

my 2 cents!

Regards,

Michuki.

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Very Cool RAD! Democracy=Majority must have their way, but the minority must have their say.     For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. Nelson Mandela  

________________________________ From: Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] http://www.safaricon.co.ke/ Guys check this out

Thanks @Rad! for speaking volumes I would have wanted to say. Reminds me of Evelyn Beatrice Hall "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,"

./Ok3ch

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

...

This negative energy argument mystifies me. I believe the constitution entitles everyone to freedom of speech. These people find Safaricom objectionable and are expressing themselves. It came across to me as a mixture of a parody and a forum for aggrieved customers to share.

Safaricom has every right to take them to court if they feel the site slanders them. If they have in any way broken the law let the full force of the law take it's course.

I find the idea that Safaricom is somehow sacred because it is a big company and we have shares in it ludicrous.

I would not mind if it was shut down because it was found to be illegal.

But 'negative energy'? No.

There is no law that says we must be 'positive'. We must be mature enough to be able to take positive criticism in out stride. We must also be able to shrug off unwarranted criticism. Time is very kind to the truth and does not need our assistance.

That's the thing with democracy. You might find others' ideas objectionable but you'd better fight for their right to express them. Or one day your own will be classifies as 'negative energy', an excuse might i remind that dictators are fond of when dealing with dissent.

Give thanks to the Jaramogis and Shikukus of this world who refused to toe the line of 'non negativity' and opened the doors to multiparty democracy.

On Friday, May 20, 2011, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Ok3, its not a question of loving or hating a company its a question of culture, if you are dissatisfied with a company take it to court, we don't need this kind of negative energy when we are building foundations of our economy, let's be objective there is the letter of the law and the spirit, let's uphold the spirit.

On 5/20/11, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Who gives anyone the right to decide what the owner of the domain intends to do with it - if you think its malice, thats your issue, not the owners. I think Mich has pointed out everything in the way it should be. If you love SafferingCon, please know that there are millions of others who hate it and they have a right to their own opinion.

./Ok3ch

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:20 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:

...

a whois query shows the domain as active, this could have little to do with Kenic

++++++ there's an app for that :-p

On May 19, 2011 7:02 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@ Mich well said but in this case the intention is clear, smells Malice. Cheers!

On 5/19/11, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 5/19/11 5:15 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd wrote: >> Does this mean that KeNic can be arm twisted into DE-registering >> account of another company. Minch what is the true position on this? > > I dont know what the current dispute resolution policy says - hence it > would probably require legal interpretation. > > IMHO www.safaricon.co.ke is not safaricom.co.ke hence the issue of > registration "in bad faith" would only come into play if they were > using the said content on a domain like safaricom.or.ke or something > similar to safaricom. > > Do you remember the story of www.whitehouse.gov, whitehouse.org and > www.whitehouse.gov?. If not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehouse.com > > IMHO, where the name is different that cannot be interpreted to be in > bad faith since the domain or the name safaricon doesnt belong to them. > > In other words, the same folks can go and register a domain with a > completely different name and still achieve the same objectives. KENIC > would have no grounds to shut them down. So if the posting is correct, > they are likely going to go to an TLD outside Kenya (see above > whitehouse.gov story) so it would be a different level of engagement for > Safaricom when someone registers safaricon.com which as we speak is open > for registration! :| > > KENIC are likely to open a pandora's box because it means anyone who > registers a name in future like safaricom.or.ke or safaricon.or.ke will > likely have a problem too. wont they? > > my 2 cents! > > Regards, > > Michuki. > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 -- Sent from my mobile device

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@Barrack Your comments bring to mind the kowtowing to the Big Man that Kenya has long had On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:13, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:

Safaricom should use this as a platform to sort out the issues raised. Take it as feedback on how some customers perceive their brand/network and aim to be better.

Rad, well said.

You cant brush aside a platform that raises issues in a network, in the name of "negativity". If there were no NW issues at safaricom, that site would not exist.

ilovesafaricom.co.ke anyone?

Regards, Tito

On 20 May 2011 10:35, King'ori Gitahi <kingorigitahi@ovi.com> wrote:

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Very Cool RAD!

Democracy=Majority must have their way, but the minority must have their say.

For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others.

Nelson Mandela

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*To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2011 8:40 AM

*Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] http://www.safaricon.co.ke/ Guys check this out

Thanks @Rad! for speaking volumes I would have wanted to say. Reminds me of Evelyn Beatrice Hall "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,"

./Ok3ch

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

...

This negative energy argument mystifies me. I believe the constitution entitles everyone to freedom of speech. These people find Safaricom objectionable and are expressing themselves. It came across to me as a mixture of a parody and a forum for aggrieved customers to share.

Safaricom has every right to take them to court if they feel the site slanders them. If they have in any way broken the law let the full force of the law take it's course.

I find the idea that Safaricom is somehow sacred because it is a big company and we have shares in it ludicrous.

I would not mind if it was shut down because it was found to be illegal.

But 'negative energy'? No.

There is no law that says we must be 'positive'. We must be mature enough to be able to take positive criticism in out stride. We must also be able to shrug off unwarranted criticism. Time is very kind to the truth and does not need our assistance.

That's the thing with democracy. You might find others' ideas objectionable but you'd better fight for their right to express them. Or one day your own will be classifies as 'negative energy', an excuse might i remind that dictators are fond of when dealing with dissent.

Give thanks to the Jaramogis and Shikukus of this world who refused to toe the line of 'non negativity' and opened the doors to multiparty democracy.

On Friday, May 20, 2011, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Ok3, its not a question of loving or hating a company its a question of culture, if you are dissatisfied with a company take it to court, we don't need this kind of negative energy when we are building foundations of our economy, let's be objective there is the letter of the law and the spirit, let's uphold the spirit.

On 5/20/11, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Who gives anyone the right to decide what the owner of the domain intends to do with it - if you think its malice, thats your issue, not the owners. I think Mich has pointed out everything in the way it should be. If you love SafferingCon, please know that there are millions of others who hate it and they have a right to their own opinion.

./Ok3ch

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:20 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:

...

a whois query shows the domain as active, this could have little to do with Kenic

++++++ there's an app for that :-p

On May 19, 2011 7:02 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: > @ Mich well said but in this case the intention is clear, smells Malice. > Cheers! > > On 5/19/11, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On 5/19/11 5:15 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd wrote: >>> Does this mean that KeNic can be arm twisted into DE-registering >>> account of another company. Minch what is the true position on this? >> >> I dont know what the current dispute resolution policy says - hence it >> would probably require legal interpretation. >> >> IMHO www.safaricon.co.ke is not safaricom.co.ke hence the issue of >> registration "in bad faith" would only come into play if they were >> using the said content on a domain like safaricom.or.ke or something >> similar to safaricom. >> >> Do you remember the story of www.whitehouse.gov, whitehouse.organd >> www.whitehouse.gov?. If not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehouse.com >> >> IMHO, where the name is different that cannot be interpreted to be in >> bad faith since the domain or the name safaricon doesnt belong to them. >> >> In other words, the same folks can go and register a domain with a >> completely different name and still achieve the same objectives. KENIC >> would have no grounds to shut them down. So if the posting is correct, >> they are likely going to go to an TLD outside Kenya (see above >> whitehouse.gov story) so it would be a different level of engagement for >> Safaricom when someone registers safaricon.com which as we speak is open >> for registration! :| >> >> KENIC are likely to open a pandora's box because it means anyone who >> registers a name in future like safaricom.or.ke or safaricon.or.kewill >> likely have a problem too. wont they? >> >> my 2 cents! >> >> Regards, >> >> Michuki. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 -- Sent from my mobile device

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Facebook gobbles up anti-Facebook domain names<http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/26/facebook-gobbles-up-anti-facebook-domain-names/> ./bernard On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni.imelda1@gmail.com>wrote:

Rad for president !,.,,,,well said :)

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:26 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:

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@Barrack Your comments bring to mind the kowtowing to the Big Man that Kenya has long had

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:13, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com>wrote:

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Safaricom should use this as a platform to sort out the issues raised. Take it as feedback on how some customers perceive their brand/network and aim to be better.

Rad, well said.

You cant brush aside a platform that raises issues in a network, in the name of "negativity". If there were no NW issues at safaricom, that site would not exist.

ilovesafaricom.co.ke anyone?

Regards, Tito

On 20 May 2011 10:35, King'ori Gitahi <kingorigitahi@ovi.com> wrote:

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Very Cool RAD!

Democracy=Majority must have their way, but the minority must have their say.

For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others.

Nelson Mandela

------------------------------ *From:* Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>

*To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2011 8:40 AM

*Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] http://www.safaricon.co.ke/ Guys check this out

Thanks @Rad! for speaking volumes I would have wanted to say. Reminds me of Evelyn Beatrice Hall "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,"

./Ok3ch

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

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This negative energy argument mystifies me. I believe the constitution entitles everyone to freedom of speech. These people find Safaricom objectionable and are expressing themselves. It came across to me as a mixture of a parody and a forum for aggrieved customers to share.

Safaricom has every right to take them to court if they feel the site slanders them. If they have in any way broken the law let the full force of the law take it's course.

I find the idea that Safaricom is somehow sacred because it is a big company and we have shares in it ludicrous.

I would not mind if it was shut down because it was found to be illegal.

But 'negative energy'? No.

There is no law that says we must be 'positive'. We must be mature enough to be able to take positive criticism in out stride. We must also be able to shrug off unwarranted criticism. Time is very kind to the truth and does not need our assistance.

That's the thing with democracy. You might find others' ideas objectionable but you'd better fight for their right to express them. Or one day your own will be classifies as 'negative energy', an excuse might i remind that dictators are fond of when dealing with dissent.

Give thanks to the Jaramogis and Shikukus of this world who refused to toe the line of 'non negativity' and opened the doors to multiparty democracy.

On Friday, May 20, 2011, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

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Ok3, its not a question of loving or hating a company its a question of culture, if you are dissatisfied with a company take it to court, we don't need this kind of negative energy when we are building foundations of our economy, let's be objective there is the letter of the law and the spirit, let's uphold the spirit.

On 5/20/11, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote: > Who gives anyone the right to decide what the owner of the domain > intends to do with it - if you think its malice, thats your issue, not > the owners. I think Mich has pointed out everything in the way it > should be. If you love SafferingCon, please know that there are > millions of others who hate it and they have a right to their own > opinion. > > ./Ok3ch > > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:20 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote: >> a whois query shows the domain as active, this could have little to do >> with >> Kenic >> >> ++++++ >> there's an app for that :-p >> >> On May 19, 2011 7:02 PM, "Barrack Otieno" < otieno.barrack@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> @ Mich well said but in this case the intention is clear, smells Malice. >>> Cheers! >>> >>> On 5/19/11, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 5/19/11 5:15 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd wrote: >>>>> Does this mean that KeNic can be arm twisted into DE-registering >>>>> account of another company. Minch what is the true position on this? >>>> >>>> I dont know what the current dispute resolution policy says - hence it >>>> would probably require legal interpretation. >>>> >>>> IMHO www.safaricon.co.ke is not safaricom.co.ke hence the issue of >>>> registration "in bad faith" would only come into play if they were >>>> using the said content on a domain like safaricom.or.ke or something >>>> similar to safaricom. >>>> >>>> Do you remember the story of www.whitehouse.gov, whitehouse.organd >>>> www.whitehouse.gov?. If not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehouse.com >>>> >>>> IMHO, where the name is different that cannot be interpreted to be in >>>> bad faith since the domain or the name safaricon doesnt belong to them. >>>> >>>> In other words, the same folks can go and register a domain with a >>>> completely different name and still achieve the same objectives. KENIC >>>> would have no grounds to shut them down. So if the posting is correct, >>>> they are likely going to go to an TLD outside Kenya (see above >>>> whitehouse.gov story) so it would be a different level of engagement for >>>> Safaricom when someone registers safaricon.com which as we speak is open >>>> for registration! :| >>>> >>>> KENIC are likely to open a pandora's box because it means anyone who >>>> registers a name in future like safaricom.or.ke or safaricon.or.ke will >>>> likely have a problem too. wont they? >>>> >>>> my 2 cents! >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Michuki. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 -- Sent from my mobile device

Barrack O. Otieno Afriregister Ltd (Kenya) www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi, www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com> <http://www.afriregister.com>ICANN accredited registrar +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke

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I knew this would happen! On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Kago Kagichiri <thekenyanprince@gmail.com>wrote:

http://www.safaricon.co.ke Account Suspended *This Account Has Been Suspended* Hehe, I see African 'democracy' at work...

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:

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Facebook gobbles up anti-Facebook domain names<http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/26/facebook-gobbles-up-anti-facebook-domain-names/> ./bernard

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni.imelda1@gmail.com>wrote:

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Rad for president !,.,,,,well said :)

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:26 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:

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@Barrack Your comments bring to mind the kowtowing to the Big Man that Kenya has long had

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:13, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com>wrote:

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Safaricom should use this as a platform to sort out the issues raised. Take it as feedback on how some customers perceive their brand/network and aim to be better.

Rad, well said.

You cant brush aside a platform that raises issues in a network, in the name of "negativity". If there were no NW issues at safaricom, that site would not exist.

ilovesafaricom.co.ke anyone?

Regards, Tito

On 20 May 2011 10:35, King'ori Gitahi <kingorigitahi@ovi.com> wrote:

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Very Cool RAD!

Democracy=Majority must have their way, but the minority must have their say.

For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others.

Nelson Mandela

------------------------------ *From:* Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>

*To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2011 8:40 AM

*Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] http://www.safaricon.co.ke/ Guys check this out

Thanks @Rad! for speaking volumes I would have wanted to say. Reminds me of Evelyn Beatrice Hall "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it,"

./Ok3ch

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: > This negative energy argument mystifies me. I believe the constitution > entitles everyone to freedom of speech. These people find Safaricom > objectionable and are expressing themselves. It came across to me as a > mixture of a parody and a forum for aggrieved customers to share. > > Safaricom has every right to take them to court if they feel the site > slanders them. If they have in any way broken the law let the full > force of the law take it's course. > > I find the idea that Safaricom is somehow sacred because it is a big > company and we have shares in it ludicrous. > > I would not mind if it was shut down because it was found to be illegal. > > But 'negative energy'? No. > > There is no law that says we must be 'positive'. We must be mature > enough to be able to take positive criticism in out stride. We must > also be able to shrug off unwarranted criticism. Time is very kind to > the truth and does not need our assistance. > > That's the thing with democracy. You might find others' ideas > objectionable but you'd better fight for their right to express them. > Or one day your own will be classifies as 'negative energy', an excuse > might i remind that dictators are fond of when dealing with dissent. > > Give thanks to the Jaramogis and Shikukus of this world who refused to > toe the line of 'non negativity' and opened the doors to multiparty > democracy. > > On Friday, May 20, 2011, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: >> Ok3, its not a question of loving or hating a company its a question >> of culture, if you are dissatisfied with a company take it to court, >> we don't need this kind of negative energy when we are building >> foundations of our economy, let's be objective there is the letter of >> the law and the spirit, let's uphold the spirit. >> >> On 5/20/11, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Who gives anyone the right to decide what the owner of the domain >>> intends to do with it - if you think its malice, thats your issue, not >>> the owners. I think Mich has pointed out everything in the way it >>> should be. If you love SafferingCon, please know that there are >>> millions of others who hate it and they have a right to their own >>> opinion. >>> >>> ./Ok3ch >>> >>> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:20 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> a whois query shows the domain as active, this could have little to do >>>> with >>>> Kenic >>>> >>>> ++++++ >>>> there's an app for that :-p >>>> >>>> On May 19, 2011 7:02 PM, "Barrack Otieno" < otieno.barrack@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> @ Mich well said but in this case the intention is clear, smells Malice. >>>>> Cheers! >>>>> >>>>> On 5/19/11, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/19/11 5:15 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd wrote: >>>>>>> Does this mean that KeNic can be arm twisted into DE-registering >>>>>>> account of another company. Minch what is the true position on this? >>>>>> >>>>>> I dont know what the current dispute resolution policy says - hence it >>>>>> would probably require legal interpretation. >>>>>> >>>>>> IMHO www.safaricon.co.ke is not safaricom.co.ke hence the issue of >>>>>> registration "in bad faith" would only come into play if they were >>>>>> using the said content on a domain like safaricom.or.ke or something >>>>>> similar to safaricom. >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you remember the story of www.whitehouse.gov, whitehouse.org and >>>>>> www.whitehouse.gov?. If not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehouse.com >>>>>> >>>>>> IMHO, where the name is different that cannot be interpreted to be in >>>>>> bad faith since the domain or the name safaricon doesnt belong to them. >>>>>> >>>>>> In other words, the same folks can go and register a domain with a >>>>>> completely different name and still achieve the same objectives. KENIC >>>>>> would have no grounds to shut them down. So if the posting is correct, >>>>>> they are likely going to go to an TLD outside Kenya (see above >>>>>> whitehouse.gov story) so it would be a different level of engagement for >>>>>> Safaricom when someone registers safaricon.com which as we speak is open >>>>>> for registration! :| >>>>>> >>>>>> KENIC are likely to open a pandora's box because it means anyone who >>>>>> registers a name in future like safaricom.or.ke or safaricon.or.ke will >>>>>> likely have a problem too. wont they? >>>>>> >>>>>> my 2 cents! >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Michuki. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> Barrack O. Otieno >> Afriregister Ltd (Kenya) >> www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi, >> www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com> >> <http://www.afriregister.com>ICANN accredited registrar >> +254721325277 >> +254-20-2498789 >> Skype: barrack.otieno >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke

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Maybe they were bought out for like 1M :) On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:49 PM, William Warero <wwarero@gmail.com> wrote:

IMHO I think there may be a valid claim against Safaricon, for example the following arbitration decision, Icn-toshiba Kenya and Toshiba Japan

http://www.wipo.int/amc/en/domains/decisions/html/2004/d2004-0941.html

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I knew this would happen!

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Kago Kagichiri <thekenyanprince@gmail.com>wrote:

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http://www.safaricon.co.ke Account Suspended *This Account Has Been Suspended* Hehe, I see African 'democracy' at work...

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:

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Facebook gobbles up anti-Facebook domain names< http://royal.pingdom.com/2011/05/26/facebook-gobbles-up-anti-facebook-domain...

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./bernard

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni.imelda1@gmail.com>wrote:

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Rad for president !,.,,,,well said :)

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:26 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:

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@Barrack Your comments bring to mind the kowtowing to the Big Man that Kenya has long had

On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 12:13, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com>wrote:

> Safaricom should use this as a platform to sort out the issues raised. > Take it as feedback on how some customers perceive their brand/network > and > aim to be better. > > Rad, well said. > > You cant brush aside a platform that raises issues in a network, in > the > name of "negativity". If there were no NW issues at safaricom, that > site > would not exist. > > ilovesafaricom.co.ke anyone? > > Regards, > Tito > > On 20 May 2011 10:35, King'ori Gitahi <kingorigitahi@ovi.com> wrote: > >> Very Cool RAD! >> >> Democracy=Majority must have their way, but the minority must have >> their say. >> >> For to be free is not merely to cast off one's chains, but to live in >> a way that respects and enhances the freedom of others. >> >> Nelson Mandela >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> >> >> *To:* Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >> *Sent:* Friday, May 20, 2011 8:40 AM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] http://www.safaricon.co.ke/ Guys check >> this out >> >> Thanks @Rad! for speaking volumes I would have wanted to say. >> Reminds me of Evelyn Beatrice Hall "I disapprove of what you say, but >> I will defend to the death your right to say it," >> >> ./Ok3ch >> >> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote: >> > This negative energy argument mystifies me. I believe the >> constitution >> > entitles everyone to freedom of speech. These people find Safaricom >> > objectionable and are expressing themselves. It came across to me >> > as >> a >> > mixture of a parody and a forum for aggrieved customers to share. >> > >> > Safaricom has every right to take them to court if they feel the >> site >> > slanders them. If they have in any way broken the law let the full >> > force of the law take it's course. >> > >> > I find the idea that Safaricom is somehow sacred because it is a >> > big >> > company and we have shares in it ludicrous. >> > >> > I would not mind if it was shut down because it was found to be >> illegal. >> > >> > But 'negative energy'? No. >> > >> > There is no law that says we must be 'positive'. We must be mature >> > enough to be able to take positive criticism in out stride. We must >> > also be able to shrug off unwarranted criticism. Time is very kind >> to >> > the truth and does not need our assistance. >> > >> > That's the thing with democracy. You might find others' ideas >> > objectionable but you'd better fight for their right to express >> them. >> > Or one day your own will be classifies as 'negative energy', an >> excuse >> > might i remind that dictators are fond of when dealing with >> > dissent. >> > >> > Give thanks to the Jaramogis and Shikukus of this world who refused >> to >> > toe the line of 'non negativity' and opened the doors to multiparty >> > democracy. >> > >> > On Friday, May 20, 2011, Barrack Otieno < otieno.barrack@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Ok3, its not a question of loving or hating a company its a >> question >> >> of culture, if you are dissatisfied with a company take it to >> court, >> >> we don't need this kind of negative energy when we are building >> >> foundations of our economy, let's be objective there is the letter >> of >> >> the law and the spirit, let's uphold the spirit. >> >> >> >> On 5/20/11, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Who gives anyone the right to decide what the owner of the domain >> >>> intends to do with it - if you think its malice, thats your >> >>> issue, >> not >> >>> the owners. I think Mich has pointed out everything in the way it >> >>> should be. If you love SafferingCon, please know that there are >> >>> millions of others who hate it and they have a right to their own >> >>> opinion. >> >>> >> >>> ./Ok3ch >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:20 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>>> a whois query shows the domain as active, this could have little >> to do >> >>>> with >> >>>> Kenic >> >>>> >> >>>> ++++++ >> >>>> there's an app for that :-p >> >>>> >> >>>> On May 19, 2011 7:02 PM, "Barrack Otieno" < >> otieno.barrack@gmail.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> @ Mich well said but in this case the intention is clear, >> >>>>> smells >> Malice. >> >>>>> Cheers! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 5/19/11, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 5/19/11 5:15 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd >> wrote: >> >>>>>>> Does this mean that KeNic can be arm twisted into >> DE-registering >> >>>>>>> account of another company. Minch what is the true position >> >>>>>>> on >> this? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I dont know what the current dispute resolution policy says

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>> hence it >> >>>>>> would probably require legal interpretation. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> IMHO www.safaricon.co.ke is not safaricom.co.ke hence the >> issue of >> >>>>>> registration "in bad faith" would only come into play if they >> were >> >>>>>> using the said content on a domain like safaricom.or.ke or >> something >> >>>>>> similar to safaricom. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Do you remember the story of www.whitehouse.gov, >> whitehouse.org and >> >>>>>> www.whitehouse.gov?. If not >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehouse.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> IMHO, where the name is different that cannot be interpreted >> >>>>>> to >> be in >> >>>>>> bad faith since the domain or the name safaricon doesnt belong >> to them. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> In other words, the same folks can go and register a domain >> with a >> >>>>>> completely different name and still achieve the same >> objectives. KENIC >> >>>>>> would have no grounds to shut them down. So if the posting is >> correct, >> >>>>>> they are likely going to go to an TLD outside Kenya (see above >> >>>>>> whitehouse.gov story) so it would be a different level of >> engagement for >> >>>>>> Safaricom when someone registers safaricon.com which as we >> speak is open >> >>>>>> for registration! :| >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> KENIC are likely to open a pandora's box because it means >> anyone who >> >>>>>> registers a name in future like safaricom.or.ke or >> safaricon.or.ke will >> >>>>>> likely have a problem too. wont they? >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> my 2 cents! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Regards, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Michuki. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >> >>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >>>>>> ------------ >> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >> >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >> -- >> >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> >> >> Barrack O. Otieno >> >> Afriregister Ltd (Kenya) >> >> www.afrire <http://www.afriregister.com>gister.bi, >> >> www.afriregister.com<http://www.afriergister.com> >> >> <http://www.afriregister.com>ICANN accredited registrar >> >> +254721325277 >> >> +254-20-2498789 >> >> Skype: barrack.otieno >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Skunkworks mailing list >> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >> ------------ >> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Skunkworks mailing list >> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> > ------------ >> > Skunkworks Rules >> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> > ------------ >> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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By the way this is a very nice discussion to be debated at the fourthcoming Internet Governance Forum, www.intgovforum.org On 5/20/11, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

As mzee moi would say siasa mbaya, maisha mbaya, that is democracy.

On 5/20/11, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

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This negative energy argument mystifies me. I believe the constitution entitles everyone to freedom of speech. These people find Safaricom objectionable and are expressing themselves. It came across to me as a mixture of a parody and a forum for aggrieved customers to share.

Safaricom has every right to take them to court if they feel the site slanders them. If they have in any way broken the law let the full force of the law take it's course.

I find the idea that Safaricom is somehow sacred because it is a big company and we have shares in it ludicrous.

I would not mind if it was shut down because it was found to be illegal.

But 'negative energy'? No.

There is no law that says we must be 'positive'. We must be mature enough to be able to take positive criticism in out stride. We must also be able to shrug off unwarranted criticism. Time is very kind to the truth and does not need our assistance.

That's the thing with democracy. You might find others' ideas objectionable but you'd better fight for their right to express them. Or one day your own will be classifies as 'negative energy', an excuse might i remind that dictators are fond of when dealing with dissent.

Give thanks to the Jaramogis and Shikukus of this world who refused to toe the line of 'non negativity' and opened the doors to multiparty democracy.

On Friday, May 20, 2011, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

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Ok3, its not a question of loving or hating a company its a question of culture, if you are dissatisfied with a company take it to court, we don't need this kind of negative energy when we are building foundations of our economy, let's be objective there is the letter of the law and the spirit, let's uphold the spirit.

On 5/20/11, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

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Who gives anyone the right to decide what the owner of the domain intends to do with it - if you think its malice, thats your issue, not the owners. I think Mich has pointed out everything in the way it should be. If you love SafferingCon, please know that there are millions of others who hate it and they have a right to their own opinion.

./Ok3ch

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:20 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:

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a whois query shows the domain as active, this could have little to do with Kenic

++++++ there's an app for that :-p

On May 19, 2011 7:02 PM, "Barrack Otieno" <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:

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@ Mich well said but in this case the intention is clear, smells Malice. Cheers!

On 5/19/11, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 5/19/11 5:15 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd wrote: >> Does this mean that KeNic can be arm twisted into DE-registering >> account of another company. Minch what is the true position on >> this? > > I dont know what the current dispute resolution policy says - hence > it > would probably require legal interpretation. > > IMHO www.safaricon.co.ke is not safaricom.co.ke hence the issue of > registration "in bad faith" would only come into play if they were > using the said content on a domain like safaricom.or.ke or something > similar to safaricom. > > Do you remember the story of www.whitehouse.gov, whitehouse.org and > www.whitehouse.gov?. If not > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitehouse.com > > IMHO, where the name is different that cannot be interpreted to be > in > bad faith since the domain or the name safaricon doesnt belong to > them. > > In other words, the same folks can go and register a domain with a > completely different name and still achieve the same objectives. > KENIC > would have no grounds to shut them down. So if the posting is > correct, > they are likely going to go to an TLD outside Kenya (see above > whitehouse.gov story) so it would be a different level of engagement > for > Safaricom when someone registers safaricon.com which as we speak is > open > for registration! :| > > KENIC are likely to open a pandora's box because it means anyone who > registers a name in future like safaricom.or.ke or safaricon.or.ke > will > likely have a problem too. wont they? > > my 2 cents! > > Regards, > > Michuki. > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 -- Sent from my mobile device

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