No Doctors On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Karimi <kndigah@gmail.com> wrote:

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Well No water but its raining cats and Dogs :( On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:46 AM, <alice@apc.org> wrote:

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Our Doctors are on strike. Inflation is at a high (19% for October), roughly 7 points away from hyper-inflation. And yet we insist we are on track for Vision 2030? Much as many say that we should not be negative, the facts are that as the country is today, Vision 2030 will remain a blur. I suspect the next president will launch "Agenda 2040". On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:

This is why Kenya has been on the list of "Failed States" list for the last three years with an "alert" status. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failed_state#Failed_states_list

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:46 AM, <alice@apc.org> wrote:

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And the electricity went out again = OFF. Well done and nice work KPLC.

@Areba, just some thots. who pays for me going green? I need to put up a 15kva atleast. Do I get some govt incentive to do this which means less taxes or other benefits ? Does it mean that if I took an additional loan for going green, the banks and govt will provide much cheaper green energy loans? What about others out there who suffer from the same problems? That is why I refuse to buy any generator or design an invertor system. Enough is enough, did it the years before, now no more. I've got to stick this one out without having to spend a cent fixing total screwups of others. Even suppose if I had the funds now, I'd spend it on finding legal advice to push for the immediate removal of the entire power sector managers, operational managers, regional managers and higher. Whether paper certificates, degrees, or doctorates, or policies----bottomline = non-performers and deadwood must leave. Rgds. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 8:49 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:

@aki if you live somwhere windy you might want to consider going green...

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@Areba, am going to need to shutdown the laptop shortly. The problem is not my mentality and yes many countries out there offer green incentives to their citizens, including supplying power back to the national grid when not in use. Power generation is not my responsibility, power usage is thus most equipment are either energy saving or low energy. If you believe power generation is my responsibility, please do a 15KVA cost sheet and lets discuss who will finance the entire rollout . Eventually I'll need to make a decision, either move house or create my own medium load invertor system ( again ) when the financials make sense. In the meantime, I still keep demanding the KPLC do a better job, including removing the hurdles of progress whether in management or otherwise. Rgds. On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 9:23 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:

@aki i think with the mentality like that (someone else needs to pay for this damn green business), were going nowhere. there are amazing benefits of going green, benefits that make sense not only to the treehugger types. for instance, NO BLACKOUTS... and better life for your electronics. FYI, we all pay taxes so we get quality, affordable services, last time i checked though, its a willing buyer, willing seller business.

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@Areba, you need to know that electricity services is a mandatory requirement in any economy. And it is the responsibility of the state to provide you with that facility, same as any other public infrastructures and facilities. Also keep in mind that you pay for the service, nothings free. I wish you would apply the same argument to the rest of the developed world where power is as reliable as the water services are. So when we have water shortages for the last 10 years and taps run dry, based on your idea below, are people now supposed to spend upto Ksh 2 million on a borehole or spend money on water tankers? Let's agree, the state must deliver on the essential services as part of the economic package and growth. You also missed on the point that the 3kva is not even enough to power an electric cooker, microwave or a fridge. So there's no cooking gas so far, should we also setup our own LPG plants? Or is the economic plan to send everyone back to the early 1900's so that we should use firewood? I'm sorry I'll have to disagree with you on this. :-) Rgds. On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:03 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:

if we all go back to the rudiments, it is yur responsibility sir. i choose to look at it this way, GOK is able (or in this case not able) to give everyone 3Kw at Ksh 1000, if you need 15KW its up to you to figure out how youre going to accomplish it. after all, its all a matter of affordaility. if you live in thur di buor and need 3 phase elec, and are willing to pay for the line and transformers and all, go on and do it. theyll happily have you connected. that you are in thurdibuor does not make it mandatory for you to access the service, at that point 3phase in thurdibuor is not viable, same as the blackouts and all. simply put, currently the priority is connecting a critical mass, other teething issues notwithstanding. after all, they are installing SCADA systems all over to improve their QOS...

We are being too hard on kplc and oil marketers when the real culprit is the central government. In every ksh 120 that is spent on fuel 60 bob is tax. Sijui road levy, road license, and probably the doctors pay increase will be funded by adding it to fuel. Kplc run a national grid and with the rains outtages are expected even jn the US there are blackouts when there are storms. No different here. Calling them useless yet none of us have experience running a national grid is defeatist. On Dec 5, 2011 9:46 AM, <alice@apc.org> wrote:

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No Doctors

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Karimi <kndigah@gmail.com> wrote:

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I wonder what Vision 2030 really is :( http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/10/17/1856251/humans-will-need-two-earths-... On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

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Kplc run a national grid and with the rains outtages are expected even jn the US there are blackouts when there are storms. No different here. Calling them useless yet none of us have experience running a national grid is defeatist.

Mark,

What we have here are not storms, they are mild rains. Nobody needs to have experience running a national grid to realize that KPLC have no clue what they are doing. Lookup what sort of damage a proper storm does. We have lovely weather in Kenya. The UK receives more rain than we do in our 'storms' and their power system holds...

Our drainage system, roads, education system, central government is all a mess. We survive in-spite of government.

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@Mark Mwangi you cant compare the blackouts in the US with the ones in Ke. I lived in Florida, thats in the middle of hurricane territory. Kenyan storms dont even come close. The blackouts in US are normally when hurricanes bring down infrastructure coz of strong winds...that includes houses, trees, tosses cars... that is understandable but normal rain causing blackouts? I dont think so. Please blame KPLC. ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Mark Mwangi" <mwangy@gmail.com> | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>, | alice@apc.org | Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 9:59:41 AM | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] <OT> : No Electricity, No Fuel, No Cooking | gas! I need my hot coffee or need some answers..... | We are being too hard on kplc and oil marketers when the real culprit | is the central government. In every ksh 120 that is spent on fuel 60 | bob is tax. Sijui road levy, road license, and probably the doctors | pay increase will be funded by adding it to fuel. | Kplc run a national grid and with the rains outtages are expected | even jn the US there are blackouts when there are storms. No | different here. Calling them useless yet none of us have experience | running a national grid is defeatist. | On Dec 5, 2011 9:46 AM, < alice@apc.org > wrote: | | No roads. | | | From: geoffrey gitagia < ggitagia@gmail.com > | | | Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:24:57 +0300 | | | To: Skunkworks Mailing List< skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > | | | Cc: < alice@apc.org > | | | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] <OT> : No Electricity, No Fuel, No | | Cooking | | gas! I need my hot coffee or need some answers..... | | | No Doctors | | | On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Karimi < kndigah@gmail.com > wrote: | | | | Cooking gas 4700 for 13kgs nuffsaid. | | | | | | _______________________________________________ | | | | | | Skunkworks mailing list | | | | | | Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke | | | | | | ------------ | | | | | | List info, subscribe/unsubscribe | | | | | | http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks | | | | | | ------------ | | | | | | Skunkworks Rules | | | | | | http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 | | | | | | ------------ | | | | | | Other services @ http://my.co..ke | | | | | -- | | | GG | | | _______________________________________________ | | | Skunkworks mailing list | | | Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke | | | ------------ | | | List info, subscribe/unsubscribe | | | http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks | | | ------------ | | | Skunkworks Rules | | | http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 | | | ------------ | | | Other services @ http://my.co..ke | | _______________________________________________ | Skunkworks mailing list | Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke | ------------ | List info, subscribe/unsubscribe | http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks | ------------ | Skunkworks Rules | http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 | ------------ | Other services @ http://my.co.ke

Craters that swallow busses its hillarious...... seems the govt does half jobs, we see true results when it rains On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:09 AM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:

Talking of Roads,

Kindaruma road and Ring Road Kilimani area ... we can no longer call them potholes, they are craters. Cars are literally getting their bumpers ripped off.

Vision 2030 at that rate becomes a mirage. :(

Regards,

On 5 December 2011 10:46, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:

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@Mark Mwangi you cant compare the blackouts in the US with the ones in Ke. I lived in Florida, thats in the middle of hurricane territory. Kenyan storms dont even come close. The blackouts in US are normally when hurricanes bring down infrastructure coz of strong winds...that includes houses, trees, tosses cars... that is understandable but normal rain causing blackouts? I dont think so. Please blame KPLC.

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We are being too hard on kplc and oil marketers when the real culprit is the central government. In every ksh 120 that is spent on fuel 60 bob is tax. Sijui road levy, road license, and probably the doctors pay increase will be funded by adding it to fuel.

Kplc run a national grid and with the rains outtages are expected even jn the US there are blackouts when there are storms. No different here. Calling them useless yet none of us have experience running a national grid is defeatist. On Dec 5, 2011 9:46 AM, <alice@apc.org> wrote:

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Roads that last 3 months? But Waiyaki Way has lasted almost 4 since the last re-carpeting. And the contractor is back working on it.

its 2012 they want it so much for 2012 they need it just understand our fallacy On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Anthony Tai <jicholatai@gmail.com> wrote:

@ Phares - @*mugokibati* <https://twitter.com/#%21/mugokibati> of @ kenyavision2030 <https://twitter.com/#%21/kenyavision2030> boosts that we are ahead of schedule on the vision 2030 perspective.

As upwardly mobile citizens of Kenya what have we done about the things that irk us? How about those without the stuff you have? It's only a matter of time before I see someone start something on the streets of Nairobi and others follow. Kenya is smoking and no one cares!!!

My thoughts.

Anthony Tai

"A good head and a good heart are always a formidable combination."

- Nelson Mandela

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:17 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

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So as bad as a Monday morning gets: there has been no power since 3am last night, so no hot water either. The laptop battery is running low as the USB modem is further draining it quickly. The electric cooker wil not work, so no way to get hot water here either. The microwave cannot also heat water or food, there's no electricity. The gas cooker also is a useless pice of metal hardware now.

The area I stay which is close to a commercial area suffers power loss each time it rains and has been like this even before the rains started, my car is low of fuel as no station has since the last two days and there has been a cooking gas shortage for a few months now.

I think resorting back to the old days of using charcoal seems the only option for now. Unfortunately, there are very few trees around to build a fire.

Is the collapse of the economy showing its initial signs? And there was no need for an economist to say anything, that cup of coffee is the looking glass.

Me thots. :-(

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*KPLC During drought a few months ago:* -We may need to start rationing and giving blackouts - as there is no rain. *KPLC during rains:* -We will experience blackouts non-the-less; because of the rain. == No planning is done for excess; and no planning is done for the little. Even Joseph in primitive Egypt had foresight to plan for 7 yrs of plenty and 7 years of drought; And he did not have a Masters Degree to weigh down his decisions with endless proposals. And neither did he have satellites to predict weather either. Which makes me wonder - these guys who are usually complaining during droughts; then they complain during excess rains -- If people have been living in a place for 200 years - DONT THEY KNOW THAT THIS HAPPENS EVERY YEAR ??? WHAT MEASURES HAVE THEY TAKEN AFTER 50 YEARS OF THE SAME PATTERNS ? Because all I hear year after year is "We want the government to give us water..." Then next time "We want the government to take away the water..." [?][?][?][?][?][?][?]

@Phares, whilst I agree totally with you, as law abiding citizens, we always play our role by force. Pay the taxes, work to earn a living et al, but what happens when it is beyond us? If there were to be a revolution in Kenya, what would the scenario be like? Life is so intertwined here in Kenya, and the 2007-8 clashes proved it. Simple stuff like vegetables were unavailable. Unless you have your passport always at hand with an open ticket with straight access to the airport :-), we are sitting on a ticking time bomb. @Mickey, with all the stuff going on - 2012 looks like it will be CRAZY!!! To ensure that this never happens again, I think Kenyans must see the current leaders for what they are: greedy. You can never put a hungry man in the kitchen and not expect him to eat. @Mark, it will take for the middle class to be touched for heads to roll (syokimau saga) otherwise, we watch in silence with bated breathe. Regards -- Anthony Tai "A good head and a good heart are always a formidable combination." On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

@Tony,

Firstly, anybody who says we are ahead of schedule, with current growth and inflation rates is terribly myopic. If we sustain our current economic growth rate, our GDP in 2030 will be a paltry 68B. (from our current 34, a far cry from the 'middle income economy' we hope to be). If we sustain growth rates of 10%, we will be able to hit total GDP output of 189B. Now. Looking at current factors; Expensive credit, high taxes, high oil, poor balance of trade, high inflation rates, income inequality, poor industry growth, please, pray tell, how exactly we will achieve vision 2030? Even if we strike oil, it will be another 10 years before we can actually commercialize it.

What have we done about the things that irk us? We pay our taxes. Why isn't our MP, who is paid by our taxes, doing his job? Apart from earning my income, voting, paying my taxes, am I supposed to then, as a citizen, commit my time to doing what people who *forcibly* take my money from me are supposed to do? To quote Ambrose Bierce:

PATRIOT, n. One to whom the interests of a part seem superior to those of the whole. The dupe of statesmen and the tool of conquerors.

PATRIOTISM, n. Combustible rubbish read to the torch of any one ambitious to illuminate his name.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Anthony Tai <jicholatai@gmail.com> wrote:

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@ Phares - @*mugokibati* <https://twitter.com/#%21/mugokibati> of @ kenyavision2030 <https://twitter.com/#%21/kenyavision2030> boosts that we are ahead of schedule on the vision 2030 perspective.

As upwardly mobile citizens of Kenya what have we done about the things that irk us? How about those without the stuff you have? It's only a matter of time before I see someone start something on the streets of Nairobi and others follow. Kenya is smoking and no one cares!!!

My thoughts.

Anthony Tai

"A good head and a good heart are always a formidable combination."

- Nelson Mandela

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:17 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

...

So as bad as a Monday morning gets: there has been no power since 3am last night, so no hot water either. The laptop battery is running low as the USB modem is further draining it quickly. The electric cooker wil not work, so no way to get hot water here either. The microwave cannot also heat water or food, there's no electricity. The gas cooker also is a useless pice of metal hardware now.

The area I stay which is close to a commercial area suffers power loss each time it rains and has been like this even before the rains started, my car is low of fuel as no station has since the last two days and there has been a cooking gas shortage for a few months now.

I think resorting back to the old days of using charcoal seems the only option for now. Unfortunately, there are very few trees around to build a fire.

Is the collapse of the economy showing its initial signs? And there was no need for an economist to say anything, that cup of coffee is the looking glass.

Me thots. :-(

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ok sure blame it on US !!!! i don't understand this one thing about "blame it on the voter" this is how i have seen it since i was 18 ... "of two deadly snakes , which one shall you choose to bite you" so how can i be blamed if at the first instance my options are limited, i believe our problems will go away but it wont be an overnight like the Arab revolution On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

The biggest tragedy in Kenya is not the government, but we as the people. We support systems that do not work, and reward the same.

A pal of mine says that she cannot purchase or rent a Penthouse suite in Nairobi - they always seem to leak and have rat infestations. In the US, she could cause such a purchase came with a warranty - point here is that even private sector will do sub standard work - seems to be more of the rule than an exception.

As for Kenya Power, I don't know about mots areas, but where I live, a few months back we were guaranteed of a blackout if any form of precipitation happened to take place. Kenya Power did maintenance a few months ago and even in the recent strong rains in Nairobi, we have had power all through. I think blackouts nowadays are mostly maintenance and vandalism in our area. Had also talked to Kenya some people from Kenya Power HQ who informed me that the firm is on schedule to stabilise power supply through various methods including use of underground cables/insulated conductors. This though looks like will take several years to be rolled out within Nairobi. In areas under rural electification in Ukambani, I have seen them use the insulated conductors rather than the familiar bare conductors.

Road construction is mostly a sham, with most roads lacking drainage, or having the drainage blocked by construction. Water logging weakens tarmac. On the same point, I am quite suspicious of the quality of Lot 3 of Thika road, by Shengli, someone should check this before its completed and results in a similar situation as the Milimani courts.

Back to where I started. In the morning, I saw a matatu at the Tom Mboya Walk (joins Tom Mboya Street to Moi Avenue at the statue). The matatu was picking passengers next to a large City Council sign that read "No picking or dropping of Passengers here". People were boarding the matatu as normal. That is where Kenya's largest problem lies.

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KPLC >= useless On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:

Computing my inflation figures with base as 10 years ago (standard practice anyway), we are approaching 50% inflation rate, to me thats very scary.

So I have decided to be drinking coffee to cool my nerves since im almost running mad. Mad that now my family cannot afford a decent meal, decent shelter or pretty anything else apart from clothes. Rain was supposed to be a respite to our woes, now its increasing our suffering. Pray, when it stops pouring, things will get worse. Im not talking about the bank loan.

Thats why im getting addicted to coffee to cool my nerves.

P3t3R

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:09 PM, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com>wrote:

...

ok sure blame it on US !!!! i don't understand this one thing about "blame it on the voter" this is how i have seen it since i was 18 ... "of two deadly snakes , which one shall you choose to bite you" so how can i be blamed if at the first instance my options are limited, i believe our problems will go away but it wont be an overnight like the Arab revolution

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Greed, that is all i can say. On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:55 AM, wool row <skunkworks100@gmail.com> wrote:

@Phares,

All these, thanks for corruption.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

...

KPLC >= useless

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Computing my inflation figures with base as 10 years ago (standard practice anyway), we are approaching 50% inflation rate, to me thats very scary.

So I have decided to be drinking coffee to cool my nerves since im almost running mad. Mad that now my family cannot afford a decent meal, decent shelter or pretty anything else apart from clothes. Rain was supposed to be a respite to our woes, now its increasing our suffering. Pray, when it stops pouring, things will get worse. Im not talking about the bank loan.

Thats why im getting addicted to coffee to cool my nerves.

P3t3R

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:09 PM, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com>wrote:

...

ok sure blame it on US !!!! i don't understand this one thing about "blame it on the voter" this is how i have seen it since i was 18 ... "of two deadly snakes , which one shall you choose to bite you" so how can i be blamed if at the first instance my options are limited, i believe our problems will go away but it wont be an overnight like the Arab revolution

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No Electricity, for 2 weeks now. Why? Coz the KENYA POWER guys are punishing us for not MULIKA-ing MWIZI. But I don't have enough EVEREADY POWER on my torch to MULIKA KENYA POWER as the MWIZI. They are the ones professional enough to siphon oil from transformers on a rainy without getting electrocuted, aren't they? And I wonder, do they expect me to sit in the dark under a transformer so as to stop a thief, while electricity is in the house? Where is the sense on that? If you feel me say 'Hell Yeah'!

I agree the main fault comes from we the people who want shortcuts to everything this will definitely and eventually spill over into our governance thus no development.

the top-down solution will not work in this cause our saving grace is a bottom-up approach, thus if we have a strong social and moral fabric it will eventually and definitely take root into our instructions.

All in all the solution lies with you and me, and not them who YOU elected!!!!

Just my 2 cents!!!!!

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:59 AM, wool row <skunkworks100@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Greed, that is all i can say.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:55 AM, wool row <skunkworks100@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@Phares,

All these, thanks for corruption.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

...

KPLC >= useless

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Computing my inflation figures with base as 10 years ago (standard practice anyway), we are approaching 50% inflation rate, to me thats very scary.

So I have decided to be drinking coffee to cool my nerves since im almost running mad. Mad that now my family cannot afford a decent meal, decent shelter or pretty anything else apart from clothes. Rain was supposed to be a respite to our woes, now its increasing our suffering. Pray, when it stops pouring, things will get worse. Im not talking about the bank loan.

Thats why im getting addicted to coffee to cool my nerves.

P3t3R

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:09 PM, geoffrey gitagia <ggitagia@gmail.com>wrote:

...

ok sure blame it on US !!!! i don't understand this one thing about "blame it on the voter" this is how i have seen it since i was 18 ... "of two deadly snakes , which one shall you choose to bite you" so how can i be blamed if at the first instance my options are limited, i believe our problems will go away but it wont be an overnight like the Arab revolution

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No power since 4pm, get home and no power either. Cold food to eat as still no cooking gas available, went looking around for it on the new fuel price of Ksh124/litre, got a letter from the bank--we are pleased to inform you that the small amount you borrowed has gone up by blah blah, pls add a few more years to clear the loan..--still no power. Called KPLC, as there are no problems of Mulika Mwizi here, got the usual ticket number that we are looking into it. Call the morons for updates, same story. Laptop battery drained by the usb modem, on its final leg. Have a tiny fish aquarium, using an led torch to admire how smart the two fishes are. Since there's no power to keep the air-pump going, the oxygen level in the water has dropped significantly. The fish keep surfacing to gasp air. New inspiration, survival techniques. No, no problems of Mulika Mwizi here, just a bunch of incompetent morons--KPLC. Flashback, late 1975-79, fewer power outages than the whole of this year combined. Hahaha! Why buy an invertor or generator = loan? Endless loop. Rgds.

Hello @Ndungu, Fix the essential services ( Water, Electricity, Food, Fuel, LPG, Medical ) to establish the minimum base standard. Sustain these essential services over decades and establish a benchmark, then there is little to fault but to build upon. Strides are comparative, whether KNH delivers better medical care than others for instance. Rgds. :-) On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 11:39 PM, Stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes - we still have some institutions to iron out, but at least we have made some positive strides - right ?

my thoughts @aki, Yes it is the states responsibility to provide electricity, it is also its responsibility to provide security, sustain peace, education and a host of services. All these either need a) a sustained economic growth trajectory and implementation in phases, or b) loans from the IMF to implement the same. FACT: we cant simply afford what you describe, we need the cash to be able to do that. FACT: we have to prioritize what is more urgent, what the drivers of vision 2030 are, and as far as i can see, efforts at improving generation are bearing fruit slowly. FACT: relatively, there is a change in the reliability of electricity compared with say 5 years ago (especially if you do it per capita since now we are like 5 million more users). and about 3KVA, most homes in kenya have standard 3KVA supply, so i DO KNOW what im talking about. its not a simple arithmetic as you would want to put it. On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Jimmy Thuo <jimmy.thuo@gmail.com> wrote:

Let's not let the pretty pictures fool us. Our country is bleeding and it needs medical aid before it's too late.

Sent from my iPhone4

On Dec 8, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:

There is a link here from a Nigerian thread that says a few good things about Kenya (read the comments that follow the pics)

<http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-51356.0.html><http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-51356.0.html> http://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-51356.0.html

Yes - we still have some institutions to iron out, but at least we have made some positive strides - right ?

Sent from my iPad

On 8 Dec 2011, at 20:50, aki < <aki275@gmail.com>aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

No power since 4pm, get home and no power either. Cold food to eat as still no cooking gas available, went looking around for it on the new fuel price of Ksh124/litre, got a letter from the bank--we are pleased to inform you that the small amount you borrowed has gone up by blah blah, pls add a few more years to clear the loan..--still no power. Called KPLC, as there are no problems of Mulika Mwizi here, got the usual ticket number that we are looking into it. Call the morons for updates, same story. Laptop battery drained by the usb modem, on its final leg. Have a tiny fish aquarium, using an led torch to admire how smart the two fishes are. Since there's no power to keep the air-pump going, the oxygen level in the water has dropped significantly. The fish keep surfacing to gasp air. New inspiration, survival techniques.

No, no problems of Mulika Mwizi here, just a bunch of incompetent morons--KPLC. Flashback, late 1975-79, fewer power outages than the whole of this year combined.

Hahaha! Why buy an invertor or generator = loan? Endless loop.

Rgds.

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I have to agree with Aki on this one. Why are we still searching/migrating for basics like electricity, water, gas, fuel, sugar, salt etc 48 years after independence? Its a big shame!! Other countries have sorted these basics of production out and are concentrating on producing stuff to sell to other countries. We should be comparing ourselves with those countries, not other failed states like us.These are basics that should be gotten right before even talking about Visions and what not. How can you be productive when you spend a whole day/half a week looking for gas/fuel/sugar? On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:18 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

@Areba, some thots below. :-)

Please add the following load items in a *modern city* where technology makes more sense. Obviously they don't get used all together but the 15KVA just meets the domestic needs, 3KVA is too little to sustain any of these :

1) Microwave : 1500KVA and Above

2) Refrigerator : 1500KVA and above

3) Electric Cooker : 1500KVA and above

4) Washing Machine : 1500KVA and above

5) Dryer Machine : 1500KVA and above

6) Deep Freezer : 3000KVA and above

7) Water Pump : 1500KVA and above

8) Water Boilers : 1500KVA and above

9) Hot water Kettle : 1500KVA and above

Rgds.

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i do dispute most of the consumptions mentioned above, but then again aki might be protesting use of microprocessors as imperialist bull, and going for traditional diodes based equipment. That said however, there is a reason why most domestic power is rated at 3KW, because not all these pieces of equipment are powered on at the same time. if you want to prove this, look at your monthly bill, each unit is 1KWh, divide or multiply accordingly and look at how many kilowatt hours you consume in a given month... youll realize the daily average is way below indicated above. @dennis Fact: The Geothermal Development Company is the single most strategic move for the Kenyan energy industry. you dont appreciate this , they put in money into equipment for digging rigs, then investors are just invited to put in generating sets or head ends, sounds pretty logical to me considering our theoretical potential for geothermal alone is in excess of 7GW. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

We are ste to import 500 MW from Ethiopia , check story on Nation Media Group sites

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@Aki, Most people in KE do not use the electric cookers, but gas fired cookers with electric opens. I think the power consumption of electric cookers would be so high in Kenya due to high energy costs. In some countries, it makes sense to use electric cookers as electricity is cheaper than LPG. And the electronics and power systems of most home appliances has improved so much in the last couple of years that I would be surprised any of the items you mention exceed 1.5 KVA. While heat generating appliances like electric irons and water heaters consume a huge amount of power, for some of these it is for a short duration of time, and once they achieve the optimal thermal heat this reduces drastically. Washers and dryers nowadays consume very little power. Same as LCD television sets and computer. And talking of about import 500 MW of power from Ethiopia and an infrastructure cost of KES 64 B, it may be wiser to poor these resources and developing geothermal and wind power. Already, the Turkana Wind Power Project will produce around 300 MW, I am sure with more investment we can easily produce more than 500 MW with a combination of wind and geothermal. The trick with relying on other nation for critical services like power is that it places Kenya in a precarious position in regards to relationships with neighboring countries, Imagine if Mohamed El Bashir had a button he can press and send the whole of Kenya in to darkness? If relationship with Addis were to sour, the first casualty would be disconnection of power, affecting industry, manufacturing and domestic. May be we should pass a law of what we can't import from our neighbors, like military services and may be even power.

@aki, part of my daily bread comes from engaging clients in this very discussion. whenever doing an energy audit, you factor in peak power (which i suspect is what you are basing your design philosophy on). Designing systems based on peak power consumption is an unnecessary overkill. Very rarely will you need to power on all your guzzling electric equipment at the same time, unnecessary; impractical at the very least. The best approach is usually to look critically at the electricity power consumption over a certain period of time, if you get a bill of say 200 units every month, how is the distribution of your consumption across the board. many times this yields a far lower "peak" than the mathematical peak. Remember also that even the heaters and cookers rated 1500 KW each only consume these at max power. using the analogy of a gas cooker, few meals are cooked with the gas dial at max. Same applies to amperes bro. On energy consumption of for example the fridge, once you cool, little energy is used to pump in some cold to compensate for losses, since a refridgerator is designed to minimize these losses, unless you leave the door open, few fridges will consume more than 300W. same goes to a lot of things..... FYI a 15KVA power consumption at current rates (about 20bob a KWH) is approximately 216,000 monthly electricity bill... I doubt we are talking of this kind of range in this context. ... and I rest my case. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:39 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

@Philip, thnks. Did you know that the simple electric kettle consumes 1800Watts? I don't dispute that LPG is cheaper than electricity costs, but since there's no LPG around what are the options? Expensive power bills or nothing. My design of 15KVA as a base consumption is based on years of using backup supplies and various tests performed to find a suitable balance. It either means you deprive yourself the essentials or just create a proper system to handle almost anything. Also if the cost of the LPG is going to shoot up, then it makes more sense to go full electric, i.e if KPLC can sustain regular supply. No one loves a half-baked cake. :-)

Here's a document I found just now on the net, gives the basics on KVA usage of devices:

http://www.wiltsfire.gov.uk/Fire_Safety/Safety_Advice/fire_safety_electrical...

HTHs.

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@aki thats convolunted reasoning, it being part of my profession means nothing except that beyond talk i DO touch the wires and get down and dirty with it all... so knock yourself out, its indeed healthier debate than a tad in this very list. on the 30A rating, i would say its the same reason they write 80KPH on many trucks. Well, kinda, cause if the car got to the autobahn that 80 would mean bull. that said, unless you have an extra 60A connection in the house, you cant run say the oven and the grill on those cookers in a domestic setup... unless of course you have those copper wire fuses the KPLC guys put after vandalizing and pawning the original ones for some little cash. most youll get in MOST homes is 13A, or 2990W/2.9KW at 230-240V On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 5:13 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

@Areba, because its a matter of daily bread and it's part of your profession, I kind of respect that very much. I'll not engage on this thread on backup or alternative energy except keep track of KPLC failures. In my final closing on the subject of backup power I'd like you to ask youself one question: why is the cooker supply rated at over 30Amps? Please keep the answer to yourself and hope it helps you design better systems. :-)

Rgds.

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:15 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:

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@aki, part of my daily bread comes from engaging clients in this very discussion. whenever doing an energy audit, you factor in peak power (which i suspect is what you are basing your design philosophy on). Designing systems based on peak power consumption is an unnecessary overkill. Very rarely will you need to power on all your guzzling electric equipment at the same time, unnecessary; impractical at the very least.

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@Aki or Areba - Just as a by the way, back in the day used to use an immersion heater to heat water, but would always have to replace the socket as was burnt, never really got an answer as to why it was happening, would ask the electrician and would say loose connection - buy new heater plus "British" plug same problem what was the problem? -- * If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it, we would be so simple that we couldn't. - Emerson M. Pugh *

@aki thanks for the reply funny thing is I remember burning the cookery socket in the kitchen the one with the in-built light. Guess it comes down to the workmanship or wrong cable choice. I think as someone on list said it's a shame that after all this years we still to have reliable power supply. Also if we going nuclear what we going to do with the waste plus do we have a program to get the necessary man power trained On 15 Dec 2011 20:12, "aki" <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:21 PM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote:

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@Aki or Areba - Just as a by the way, back in the day used to use an immersion heater to heat water, but would always have to replace the socket as was burnt, never really got an answer as to why it was happening, would ask the electrician and would say loose connection - buy new heater plus "British" plug same problem what was the problem? --

@Kris, thank you for the question.

First it scares me that the electrician mislead you, there would have been a eventual fire due to the socket heating up and burning. The primary reason for the socket meltdown was that the immersion heater required a heavier current than the socket could handle. So not only will the socket meltdown, the internal cables in the house will also heat up and the insulation will start melting. Long term usage and the entire internal cabling in the house will need to be replaced for safety reasons. Imagine that you have a large 150ah battery that can deliver 150amps per hour, and you decide to connect a thin wire to deliver the 150amps! The thin wire would melt on load because its carrying capacity is too low. This is the principle of the fuse.

Your solution would be to have the immersion heater connect to a 30amp line with a proper socket and fused box. Your safety, the device connected and that of others will be catered for.

My view, but hope that a professional electrician can advice further.

Rgds. :-)

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it boils down to this: 1: building contractor cuts corners in choice of electrical equipment and buys sub standard cables, fuses and sockets. 2: Using over rated equipment (powerwise) 3: loose connection at your cooker socket. 4: Bad (shorting) heater... whenever you buy electrical equipment, dont be fooled by the <made in britain>. Open it up, if for instance extension socket ) and make sure the wires are as they ought to be. learnt that the hard way with a nice looking extension socket with no earth wire.... On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 11:10 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

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@aki thanks for the reply funny thing is I remember burning the cookery socket in the kitchen the one with the in-built light. Guess it comes down to the workmanship or wrong cable choice. I think as someone on list said it's a shame that after all this years we still to have reliable power supply. Also if we going nuclear what we going to do with the waste plus do we have a program to get the necessary man power trained

Hey @kris, that problem of the burnt out cooker socket is a combination of extemely poor workmanship and wrong choice of cable, imo. The nuclear choice seems the only viable option but it should not be located too far from the city. The overhead cable losses over great distances is too much. Bad workmanship and a lack of attention to detail could lead to this, worst case scenario : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxD44HO8dNQ . Unfortunately Green energy and all other initiatives still has a long way to go to fill the power generation demands needed in metro cities, thus can only supplement a fraction of the needs. My view.

Maybe @Areba can add more on this.

Rgds. :-)

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Just a note. I've just remembered something. in the states when they do scheduled work on the power lines they do not cut the power, they divert it with extension cables. Sort of like how they divert traffic on roads when they are re-making them. Therefore they do not interrupt the flow of power. Does KPLC do this or not? ----- Original Message ----- | From: "aki" <aki275@gmail.com> | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> | Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 2:32:23 PM | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] <OT> : No Electricity, No Fuel, No Cooking | gas! I need my hot coffee or need some answers..... | Right, back to square ONE! The past 1 week has seen at least 5 | outages lasting from an hour to 4 hours. Today, Sunday, and power | outage since 1210pm. Called KPLC and told that they have unplanned | work going on, thus the need to disconnect power. Resumption before | dusk. Really, is this my problem I asked them or is it your screw up | and inability to create a proper distribution network?? Phone line | goes quite on the other side... | Sunday being the day it is for social, family, indoor/outdoor | activity day--- KPLC has managed to not only disrupt the precious | time available but also change the basic life style for kenyans. | BTW, I still have not found any LPG. Anyone know if available and at | what cost? | Rgds. | _______________________________________________ | Skunkworks mailing list | Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke | ------------ | List info, subscribe/unsubscribe | http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks | ------------ | Skunkworks Rules | http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 | ------------ | Other services @ http://my.co.ke

Hi Aki; Im feeling sorry for you, if you still haven't had LPG you can come to Donholm I will get one refilled at 3,900/=, the 12kg one. The supplier is a petroleum dealing station I think I saw some stocks today. Though I understand the prices might be coming down by end of week. Peter On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 2:54 PM, <calvinebarongo@gmail.com> wrote:

Unfortunately they do not, how many times have we been in the dark on the excuse that the transformers are being repaired/replaced Sent from my BlackBerry®

@Aki, Why not try being on the receiving side of all these areas! I know for sure if you had land somewhere ready to sell it you would be smiling all the way to the bank. Or if you were a farmer, you would be thanking God for the income you get from your potatoes, fruits etc. Or if you were in the stock exchange, you would be smiling at the low prices coz in 5 years we will all look back at you and say you were wise buying when everyone was exiting. Or if you were a mobile apps programmer and you came up with the next big revolutionary mobile application that for example tells guys which route doesn't have traffic in NBO. Be the change agent. My 2 cents. On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:10 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Peter, thnks much for the offer. I appreciate it. :-)

I'm being very stubborn this time and will not purchase anything above its normal price unless it becomes an emergency.

General comment. I also suggest many others kenyans to boycott supplementing the bloated govt and its expenditure on its lack of many things. No more donations from well wishers to start with, and corporates should also follow the same route. You are creating more problems than actually helping in finding solutions. Sample case was the recent famine, by donating money and food stuff, did you actually create more problems of handouts and let the govt get away with its responsibilities to provide for its citizens?

Rgds. :-)

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@All, I passed by at least 2 fuel stations today morning for a top up, and both did not have unleaded super. I fond it at another station but you had to queue on a single pump. Also, cooking gas still a shortage, no outlet has it in the areas I go checking. When I get the electricity bill in January, December is going to be a disaster month when it comes to paying bills due to high usage of an electric cooker, microwave and the rest. So while the concrete buildings look nice at night where electricity is available, I wonder how many of these that are not private sector owned have functional elevators? So events that top this lis for me this year : - KPLC : thumbs down! - Water Company : thumbs down, most of the early parts of the year was water rationing, thus increasing costs of water purchases from commercial trucks! - LPG shortages : thumbs down - Network Operators : thumbs down, unable to sustain reliable data or voice services. - Borrowing Interest rates : totally screwed, CBK to blame - Roads, besides the highways : Huge gaping holes, very expensive to maintain a personal vehicle. These are also contributing to traffic jams. - Rising food costs and household expenditures - Property doing booming business : Yeah, seems only the trees make it worthwhile. All the factors above should have seen a downside towards affordability. Some thots

@Wash, thnks. My cellphone number is with many fuel stations and some vendors. Never got one call from them, because most likely there is a selective process that is ongoing. Maybe those who get the calls have given some money to brokers at such places to do the usual exploitation thing. The question comes down to : how desperate is one and how can they exploit you? Each morning that I passby such places, they just tell me from far with a hand signal = hakuna but I still passby anyway. Thnks. :-) On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:

@Aki - I have been chasing LPG for days now. I have had to make "personal" contacts with attendants at my favorite station so that they call me when the LPG lorry arrives. This is because I've missed the delivery lorry twice in a row:-) Try that trick.

*-KPLC power outages* *Monday 19th Dec 2011 : 10am to 4pm* *Tuesday 20th Dec 2011 : 11am to 5pm* *Wednesday 21st Dec 2011 : 930am and still on going.* Took sometime off, unable to get my personal work done without electricity. Called KPLC and now the help lines personel are not even reachable. Voice answering put you on hold for many minutes until you just hang up on them. *-Today's dealing with more morons :* I've got a seperate BB handset and wanted the BB services activated on a pre-paid service for a certain Telco. Called their CS line, the attendant told me they support such services so I should apply and get it activated at one of their outlets. Took me an hour to get to one of the outlets, only to be told they don't offer it on pre-paid. *- Today's Telco who deserves excellent credit :* Went over to Safaricom, explained them what I wanted on pre-paid BB service. They told me it was supported as part of their services and it took less than 15 minutes to get everything working, from a new sim card to activation. I already use another BB services so this was just a backup for using BIS. Monthly is Ksh 1,000/-. Well done Safaricom.

@Electricity back after a 13 hour outage. All electronics had gone dead : computers, phones, door bells etc. Things not looking good in the refrigerator, the stored meat has been the first item affected and could pose a serious heath hazard..... I'm really starting to miss staying in urban developed societies, it used to be so nice. You would plan your day, and have a very productive one. Only those who understand urban life can relate to this, not rural folks. Whether Summer or Winter, your daily life ran in an organised manner. The bus would show up at exactly the same time each day as expected, the underground trains would be the same. Night social life went on until 4 or 5am, you would find a cab to take you wherever you wanted, and not into into some checkpoints of "hatari". Traffic was organised mayhem, you would still reach your destination on time no matter what. Your physical mail got delivered to your doorstep, the weekends travel would always be timed distance/speed = time to destination. All household goods were so affordable, interest rates on credti cards were super low. You went out to eat great food that was so cheap, bought branded clothes that were so affordable etc etc. You went out and did great photography, night time pictures, mall pictures until you got tired. Everything worked so well until you took it as much a part of life as the oxygen around us. Each morning and each night delivered its promise as the rising and setting sun did each day. But in wheeler/dealer, supply/demand economies all the above are luxuries. For every problem purposely created, there is a business plan that benefits from lack of a normal urban lifestyle thus creating new avenues of exploitation but normally hidden as regular business. Embraced highly as the growth basis of the economies, this is core of the thriving third world. This is the rural folks way of thinking, as long as the land is tended to, the rains will come and the soil will produce what it is supposed to. Only those who are urbanised know what a green house can do, what planning is and what projections are. I never seen any urban society go hungry, they will put in the more hard work than the rural folk and still have food on their plates, pay thier bills and raise their families. Bad choices means a bad future. Who is the next rural folk to be given control of an urban society? Rgds.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

@Aki either you complain too much or we do not live in the same country. All the time you have outages I have checked my home computer and it's always on and since it's UPS can barely do five minutes, I know there is power. Maybe Kenya Power just doesn't like your neighborhood, or people near you contribute to your outages by building high storey's which cannot support the power distribution in your ares. Cut KP some slack, they have tried given their resources.

& I've had no gas for the last 2 months resorting to cooking with electricity - just to show you how reliable Kenya Power is to me, and I choose not to complain about the gas!

I also have failed to understand the meaning of this thread. I stopped reading it a long time ago since if it's meant to report power outages, then it's the wrong forum. Maybe a thread to help out in minimizing outages might be more helpful. If half the people in this list decided to report when power goes in their neighborhoods, we would spend a zillion years goes through the mails.

My 50 dollars worth of thoughts!

./Ok3ch

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@Oketch, you can always filter this thread if you'd like to though this post is strongly connected to ICT in many ways. No electricity means no ICT! You once posted a thread on this list about cargo containers, we all read and it let it be. Let the admin of this list ban me and I'll take my issues online ensuring that the SEO works well enough that anytime someone out there does a search, the facts on the ground will always pop up. Rgds. -- --- I only dispense knowledge or information through a selective process called " on a need to know basis " ---

@Aki I have not said that you should be banned or stopped from posting about this article, I just feel you having to infor the gorup when your power goes off is not appropriate since if everyone was to do that, we would probably have too many mails - that was my point which you seemingly did not get. I may never like what you say, by I will defend your right to say it ~ I have no idea who said that! My other point was that you seem to be haing these blackouts all the time, I seem to be having none - and we in the same country? and we still blame Kenya Power? does that make sense to you? @Steve, please answer this too. ./Ok3ch On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:

@Aki dude, you've got no luck....

@Oketch.. about the blackouts I can agree with @Aki on the rural supply sense. I'm curently working on some long term project in some small town near kakamega. Blackouts here are guaranteed to be a daily thing. Worse off when it rains power can go off for even 2 days a stretch, I kid you not. through out the day when there is power you cannot get a straight hour of uninterrupted power. it will go for 3, 5, 10 seconds every 10 to 20 minutes. a UPS here is no luxury, the only way you can get decent work done here is to either get a generator or have solar drive your gear. When we get a full days power it is something to be thankful for. So I guess as far as power goes, kenya is not one country.

KPLC blames the rolling blackouts on trees that have been planted near the power lines in peoples farms. when the trees get wet during the rains the wet leaves on power lines cause the blackouts... who want to argue with that so...

----- Original Message ----- | From: "Okechukwu" <okechukwu@gmail.com> | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> | Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:50:50 AM | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] <OT> : No Electricity, No Fuel,     No Cooking gas! I need my hot coffee or need some | answers..... | | @Aki either you complain too much or we do not live in the same | country. All the time you have outages I have checked my home | computer and it's always on and since it's UPS can barely do five | minutes, I know there is power. Maybe Kenya Power just doesn't like | your neighborhood, or people near you contribute to your outages by | building high storey's which cannot support the power distribution | in your ares. Cut KP some slack, they have tried given their | resources. | | & I've had no gas for the last 2 months resorting to cooking with | electricity - just to show you how reliable Kenya Power is to me, | and I choose not to complain about the gas! | | I also have failed to understand the meaning of this thread. I | stopped reading it a long time ago since if it's meant to report | power outages, then it's the wrong forum. Maybe a thread to help out | in minimizing outages might be more helpful. If half the people in | this list decided to report when power goes in their neighborhoods, | we would spend a zillion years goes through the mails. | | My 50 dollars worth of thoughts! | | ../Ok3ch | | Sent from my iPad | | On Dec 22, 2011, at 0:06, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: | | > @Electricity back after a 13 hour outage. All electronics had gone | > dead : computers, phones, door bells etc. Things not looking good | > in the refrigerator, the stored meat has been the first item | > affected and could pose a serious heath hazard..... | > | > I'm really starting to miss staying in urban developed societies, | > it used to be so nice. You would plan your day, and have a very | > productive one. Only those who understand urban life can relate to | > this, not rural folks. Whether Summer or Winter, your daily life | > ran in an organised manner. The bus would show up at exactly the | > same time each day as expected, the underground trains would be | > the same. Night social life went on until 4 or 5am, you would find | > a cab to take you wherever you wanted, and not into into some | > checkpoints of "hatari". Traffic was organised mayhem, you would | > still reach your destination on time no matter what. Your physical | > mail got delivered to your doorstep, the weekends travel would | > always be timed distance/speed = time to destination. All | > household goods were so affordable, interest rates on credti cards | > were super low. You went out to eat great food that was so cheap, | > bought branded clothes that  were so affordable etc etc. You went | > out and did grea |  t photography, night time pictures, mall pictures until you got |  tired. Everything worked so well until you took it as much a part |  of life as the oxygen around us. Each morning and each night |  delivered its promise as the rising and setting sun did each day. | > | > But in wheeler/dealer, supply/demand economies all the above are | > luxuries. For every problem purposely created, there is a business | > plan that benefits from  lack of a normal urban lifestyle thus | > creating new avenues of exploitation but normally hidden as | > regular business. Embraced highly as the growth basis of the | > economies, this is core of the thriving third world. This is the | > rural folks way of thinking, as long as the land is tended to, the | > rains will come and the soil will produce what it is supposed to. | > Only those who are urbanised know what a green house can do, what | > planning is and what projections are. I never seen any urban | > society go hungry, they will put in the more hard work than the | > rural folk and still have food on their plates, pay thier bills | > and raise their families. | > | > Bad choices means a bad future. Who is the next rural folk to be | > given control of an urban society? | > | > Rgds. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > _______________________________________________ | > Skunkworks mailing list | > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke | > ------------ | > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe | > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks | > ------------ | > | > Skunkworks Rules | > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 | > ------------ | > Other services @ http://my.co.ke | _______________________________________________ | Skunkworks mailing list | Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke | ------------ | List info, subscribe/unsubscribe | http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks | ------------ | | Skunkworks Rules | http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 | ------------ | Other services @ http://my.co.ke | _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------

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@Aki I very much await to see your project once published coz I will certainly use it somewhere else if you open source it. Maybe you could just give a weekly summary of your power outages since a daily one seems to much ./Ok3ch On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:10 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@Aki I have not said that you should be banned or stopped from posting about this article, I just feel you having to infor the gorup when your power goes off is not appropriate since if everyone was to do that, we would probably have too many mails - that was my point which you seemingly did not get. I may never like what you say, by I will defend your right to say it ~ I have no idea who said that!

My other point was that you seem to be haing these blackouts all the time, I seem to be having none - and we in the same country? and we still blame Kenya Power? does that make sense to you? @Steve, please answer this too.

./Ok3ch

@Oketch, listen to the Alicia Keys song I posted, above. If you can connect, you are urbanised and will understand what I write about. And am genuinely affected by the power outages which has become so disruptive that it is impossible to do anything anymore. And I'm also not going to spend a single dime on alternative power. I'll leave this thread as soon as I get the KPLC Power Outages project completed and published online. I'm not going to leave them to carry on with what they have been doing for a very many years.

Rgds. :-)

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Electricity is everywhere, just capture yours by induction (or whatever they call it) and live like a king. e.g take a long wire (normal gauge) like 18ft and raise it >8ft off the ground, get a 4ft > copper rod/pipe and drive it to the ground (moist ground is preferred), then build a capacitor bank and that could give your home like 25Kw of reliable power off the grid. get yourself some Nikola Tesla patents. energy problems have been solved again and again and again yet this info gets suppressed and people get killed. do you know how small 20 bob kerosene is nowadays, its like 2 drops, ...sigh. Tesla once said the earth is like a capacitor full of energy and no one needs to pay a dime to get elec. before we get superconductors for your comp, light up your spark gaps and stop complaining On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:20 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

@Okech, the project has been in progress for a while, where the data wil be fed automatially from various smart ups locations kenya wide. With participation from all system Admins in Kenya, we will be able to get paint the real picture of KPLC's severe lack of doing its job properly. We will then hand this data to various consumer action groups out there to take further action.

Rgds. :-)

On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@Aki I very much await to see your project once published coz I will certainly use it somewhere else if you open source it. Maybe you could just give a weekly summary of your power outages since a daily one seems to much

./Ok3ch

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@Okechukwu I'll be glad to answer. You know how they say from space the earth looks blue and green and is calm. But when you step into earth thats when you realize the pollution, wars, disease etc. The same case. If you think coz your hood has stable power, then I will tell you, welcome to the rest of the reality of Kenya. Here is how it goes based on kakamega county... Scenario 1: you have land owners who have transmission lines passing through their land and these owners have trees with leaves and branches only inches or feet away from these lines. Now seeing in kakamega it rains almost everyday of the year and these rains come with fairly strong winds. You end up having wet branches and leaves swinging and swaying close to the power lines and guess what happens when there is contact... the line trips. When you report this to KPLC they don't come to fix it until after 8PM reason being they have to test all is okay when the line has maximum load to make sure all is okay. so if the rain was at 2pm, you guessed it. no power until after 8pm. Scenario 2: There was a day about 2 months ago when the power line breaker switch broke. Now that switch happens to be in the compound. Nway without going into details it affected power to many customers along the grid including the sub-chiefs residence. People went without power for 3 weeks and can you believe no one reported it except me, yet it didnt affect me. When I reported it, at 3PM KPLC people came to fix it at 2am the next morning and didn't do anything but left it like that for the next 3 weeks. I called again... guess what their excuse was? That bees had built a hive inside the utility pole and they needed to figure out a way to get rid of the bees before they can restore power.... yeah right!!! Scenario 3:

From reliable sources I got this story where an angry employee cut off power coz he was forced to come in to work on his day off and there was a soccer game he was going to miss. So you guessed it, he decided to screw it up for others as well and go ahead and cut the power.

Scenario 4: I have watched during prolonged rain showers the transformer blow out over and over again since it sits 20 meters from the building and is in clear view from where I sit. When they come to fix it they take no measures to plug the hole where the rain water goes in... so guess what its a never ending cycle. I got a confidential answer to this. These guys capitalize on those faults so they can earn overtime on off time field trips and you say dont blame KPLC? Seriously?? I can assure you there are places in Kenya, especially the rural areas where power is unstable because people in the rural areas dont care about power. These guys are so poor they have barely enough food to go on the table let alone think about electricity. So with poor service no one gives a damn. You can call kakamega customer service and ask them how many times obbayi has called to complain and you will know the reality. our transformer can serve way over 100 homes but it serves only 15 homes of which the owners of those homes are all in Nairobi throughout the year leaving an average of 3 customers at a time being served by the transformer so overload is not an issue here yet stability is. ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Okechukwu" <okechukwu@gmail.com> | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> | Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:44:14 AM | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] <OT> : No Electricity, No Fuel, No Cooking gas! I need my hot coffee or need some | answers..... | | @Aki I have not said that you should be banned or stopped from | posting | about this article, I just feel you having to infor the gorup when | your power goes off is not appropriate since if everyone was to do | that, we would probably have too many mails - that was my point which | you seemingly did not get. | I may never like what you say, by I will defend your right to say it | ~ | I have no idea who said that! | | My other point was that you seem to be haing these blackouts all the | time, I seem to be having none - and we in the same country? and we | still blame Kenya Power? does that make sense to you? @Steve, please | answer this too. | | ../Ok3ch | | On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> | wrote: | > @Aki dude, you've got no luck.... | > | > @Oketch.. about the blackouts I can agree with @Aki on the rural | > supply sense. I'm curently working on some long term | > project in some small town near kakamega. Blackouts here are | > guaranteed to be a daily thing. Worse off when it rains power can | > go off for even 2 days a stretch, I kid you not. through out the | > day when there is power you cannot get a straight hour of | > uninterrupted power. it will go for 3, 5, 10 seconds every 10 to | > 20 minutes. a UPS here is no luxury, the only way you can get | > decent work done here is to either get a generator or have solar | > drive your gear. When we get a full days power it is something to | > be thankful for.. So I guess as far as power goes, kenya is not | > one country. | > | > KPLC blames the rolling blackouts on trees that have been planted | > near the power lines in peoples farms. when the trees get wet | > during the rains the wet leaves on power lines cause the | > blackouts... who want to argue with that so... | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > | From: "Okechukwu" <okechukwu@gmail.com> | > | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> | > | Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:50:50 AM | > | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] <OT> : No Electricity, No Fuel,     No | > | Cooking gas! I need my hot coffee or need some | > | answers..... | > | | > | @Aki either you complain too much or we do not live in the same | > | country. All the time you have outages I have checked my home | > | computer and it's always on and since it's UPS can barely do five | > | minutes, I know there is power. Maybe Kenya Power just doesn't | > | like | > | your neighborhood, or people near you contribute to your outages | > | by | > | building high storey's which cannot support the power | > | distribution | > | in your ares. Cut KP some slack, they have tried given their | > | resources. | > | | > | & I've had no gas for the last 2 months resorting to cooking with | > | electricity - just to show you how reliable Kenya Power is to me, | > | and I choose not to complain about the gas! | > | | > | I also have failed to understand the meaning of this thread. I | > | stopped reading it a long time ago since if it's meant to report | > | power outages, then it's the wrong forum. Maybe a thread to help | > | out | > | in minimizing outages might be more helpful. If half the people | > | in | > | this list decided to report when power goes in their | > | neighborhoods, | > | we would spend a zillion years goes through the mails. | > | | > | My 50 dollars worth of thoughts! | > | | > | ../Ok3ch | > | | > | Sent from my iPad | > | | > | On Dec 22, 2011, at 0:06, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: | > | | > | > @Electricity back after a 13 hour outage. All electronics had | > | > gone | > | > dead : computers, phones, door bells etc. Things not looking | > | > good | > | > in the refrigerator, the stored meat has been the first item | > | > affected and could pose a serious heath hazard..... | > | > | > | > I'm really starting to miss staying in urban developed | > | > societies, | > | > it used to be so nice. You would plan your day, and have a very | > | > productive one. Only those who understand urban life can relate | > | > to | > | > this, not rural folks. Whether Summer or Winter, your daily | > | > life | > | > ran in an organised manner. The bus would show up at exactly | > | > the | > | > same time each day as expected, the underground trains would be | > | > the same. Night social life went on until 4 or 5am, you would | > | > find | > | > a cab to take you wherever you wanted, and not into into some | > | > checkpoints of "hatari". Traffic was organised mayhem, you | > | > would | > | > still reach your destination on time no matter what. Your | > | > physical | > | > mail got delivered to your doorstep, the weekends travel would | > | > always be timed distance/speed = time to destination. All | > | > household goods were so affordable, interest rates on credti | > | > cards | > | > were super low. You went out to eat great food that was so | > | > cheap, | > | > bought branded clothes that  were so affordable etc etc. You | > | > went | > | > out and did grea | > |  t photography, night time pictures, mall pictures until you got | > |  tired. Everything worked so well until you took it as much a | > |  part | > |  of life as the oxygen around us. Each morning and each night | > |  delivered its promise as the rising and setting sun did each | > |  day. | > | > | > | > But in wheeler/dealer, supply/demand economies all the above | > | > are | > | > luxuries. For every problem purposely created, there is a | > | > business | > | > plan that benefits from  lack of a normal urban lifestyle thus | > | > creating new avenues of exploitation but normally hidden as | > | > regular business. Embraced highly as the growth basis of the | > | > economies, this is core of the thriving third world. This is | > | > the | > | > rural folks way of thinking, as long as the land is tended to, | > | > the | > | > rains will come and the soil will produce what it is supposed | > | > to. | > | > Only those who are urbanised know what a green house can do, | > | > what | > | > planning is and what projections are. I never seen any urban | > | > society go hungry, they will put in the more hard work than the | > | > rural folk and still have food on their plates, pay thier bills | > | > and raise their families. | > | > | > | > Bad choices means a bad future. 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I asked them the same thing. now they say they "are planning" to take thess people to court. For what I know, the situation on the around is this.. trees are life to people here but not in the way you I see it. Trees are not for fresh air or global warming reduction. Trees = firewood = food = family survives. So walking on someones property and telling them to cut down a tree or trim branches is like someone coming to tell you that you have too much money in your bank account and they need to take some. Btw even as I writing this there has been no power for the last 2 hours ----- Original Message ----- | From: "kris njoroge" <krsnjo@gmail.com> | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> | Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 1:12:43 PM | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] <OT> : No Electricity, No Fuel, No Cooking | gas! I need my hot coffee or need some answers..... | @Steve how come they just cut the offending branches next to the line | KPLC used to do that like yearly if am not wrong. I totally agree | with you and Aki, the incompetence of KPLC is no longer a teething | problem is a lack of teeth in the first place why is this problem an | iteration with no break or exit clause. | -- | If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it, we | would be so simple that we couldn't. - Emerson M. Pugh | _______________________________________________ | Skunkworks mailing list | Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke | ------------ | List info, subscribe/unsubscribe | http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks | ------------ | Skunkworks Rules | http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 | ------------ | Other services @ http://my.co.ke

On 26 December 2011 09:10, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

*KPLC POWER OUTAGE LOG:*

- Saturday 24th Dec : At least 4 outages lasting 1 hour each

- Sunday 25th Dec ( Christmas Day ) : 1 outage lasting 30minutes

- *And then it rained overnight : No electricity the entire night, restored early dawn*

- Monday 26th Dec ( Boxing Day ) : No power since 8am.

No rocket science involved, there are only 3 cables involved in an electricity network. How complicated can it be to maintain such a simple distribution system from high voltage to low voltage? Clearly shows the problem is not power generation because a large % of the users of the electricity closed for the public holidays. This human element is the root cause of all the outages.

If Kenya had Winter and Summer seasons, where central heating is necessary through winter and air-conditioning is necessary through summer, many kenyans would already have already died from the cold or heat due to the weather.

Au contraire, if we had winter and harsher weather, Kenya would be a more developed country. It has been argues in some sectors that Africa is less developed because of great weather all year round, requiring less effort to survive through it as food will be available almost through the whole year. This laxity is inherent to date where there is no incentive to come up with such stuff as reliable electricity

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Finally the truth revealed as the more than 12 hr power outages continues. There is a major fault on the 66KVA affecting many areas but KPLC unable to verify why the fault in the first place and despite more than 12 hours to troubleshoot they are still unable to provide a fix. It is unknown when power will be restored to such areas.

@Tito, It is "live" (as in staying), not "leave" (as in departure). On another note, this prolonged outage/blackout affected me as well and I live in Riruta. The outage affected several areas, from what I got from KPLC Call Centre and as such it has nothing to do with where Aki lives. Just to reinforce what @Aki has been highlighting, I have a blackout every Saturday from around 9am to 7/8pm in the name of maintenance. I wonder what sort of maintenance this is that KPLC does on our supply every Saturday. I could join @Aki at highting this, which shouldn't be happening in the 21st century, but instead, I'd like to ask some of our Presidential contenders what it is that they are gonna do about Electricity supply in this country, not just for Vision NNNN, but as something that every citizen deserves, same way like water. On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 09:33, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:

@Aki,

Out of curiosity, where do you leave?

on a lighter note - get out of the house.. there is much more you can do, than being in the house monitoring blackouts during the festive season :)

On 26 December 2011 20:20, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Finally the truth revealed as the more than 12 hr power outages continues. There is a major fault on the 66KVA affecting many areas but KPLC unable to verify why the fault in the first place and despite more than 12 hours to troubleshoot they are still unable to provide a fix. It is unknown when power will be restored to such areas.

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@Aki, I happen to know the cause of the problem which led to your unresolved issue having a closed ticket. Not to defend KPLC but the flaw is kind-of in the design of the system managing the tickets. Let us say your blackout may have been started by a low / high voltage power feeder tripping. What the company does is transfer all supplies to an adjacent feeder as they do repairs. After resolving the fault on ground they take them back as before and indicate the issue is closed. The thing is, some customers remain unaffected as they are connected to quite different set of feeders. So the mostake is not quote on the customer support desk. Neither is it on the emergency control engineers. Martin. On Dec 27, 2011 2:31 PM, "aki" <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: @Tito, thnks for the outdoor advice and I reside near westlands area, though this year am too commited to do the annual 2500km Tour De Kenya. Love to do it but.... :-) @Wash, I'm glad you brought up the power outage affecting you each saturday. As of today morning 10am, electricity supply went off in my area. So I again called KPLC and got a ref number. Now this is the strange part and am now starting to understand where the problems lies in KPLC. The management is totally disconnected from what is happening on the ground. Sample this : After getting my Ref Number today, I called KPLC for an update only to be told that my ticket was closed as RESOLVED! So now I've been issued a new Ref Number.since there still is no power. I asked the call attendant as to who closed the ticket, she was out of words. This has happened a few times. It seems people in KPLC are defeating the same system designed to introduce efficiency by closing unresolved tickets! If we follow the same argument that the core problem lies in a total lack of abilities and work culture to sustain a reliable service, then no nuclear power plant or alternate power is going to help. Rgds. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke

Are you sure you live in Kenya? :) ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Haggai Nyang" <haggai.nyang@gmail.com> | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> | Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 11:14:30 AM | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] <OT> : No Electricity, No Fuel, No Cooking | gas! I need my hot coffee or need some answers..... | I live near Ngong and I've not had a blackout for almost a month | now.... :) | _______________________________________________ | Skunkworks mailing list | Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke | ------------ | List info, subscribe/unsubscribe | http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks | ------------ | Skunkworks Rules | http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 | ------------ | Other services @ http://my.co.ke

There are some areas that hardly get power interruptions, and even they do, only for brief periods of time like 10-15min. For those under Rural Electrification program.

@benard I happen to live in one of those places... Rural Electrification Authority. Bills come one month too late though.

Drought and floods is a smaller problem, occurring once in several years and easy to forget. Winter occurs every year with no fail, for several months. Droughts occur, migrate, floods occur, bury the dead, winter comes, migrate to where, you will be dead! At least you know its coming , and get organised to tackle it

Gachie/kiambu/Limuru doesn't suffer half the number of blackouts as in westlands or Nairobi in general. One of the joys of living in the "leafy suburbs". ./bernard On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 3:58 PM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:

@Aki you are not alone in this,,this happens to most of us,,i stay at gachie and blackouts ni very common,kama leo stima went off as from noonish came back 3-4hrs later.!

On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Drought and floods is a smaller problem, occurring once in several years and easy to forget. Winter occurs every year with no fail, for several months.

Droughts occur, migrate, floods occur, bury the dead, winter comes, migrate to where, you will be dead! At least you know its coming , and get organised to tackle it

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On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 4:52 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:

Gachie/kiambu/Limuru doesn't suffer half the number of blackouts as in westlands or Nairobi in general. One of the joys of living in the "leafy suburbs".

Limuru does suffer blackouts every single day, but they are brief. BR S -- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head.

Survived another day of a 10 hour outage, let's see what tomorrow and the days after holds. Will continue to log the outages until the online monitoring system is rolling in Q1 2012. The year is almost at and the end and the most significant event I remember is my trip earlier this year via Cairo. KPLC, thank you for the inspiration that not even Linus of Linux could provide. Not an inspiration to sell power and goods based off your lack off but to try and bring you to the forefront of national discussions and ultimately a change that will see positive changes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6h7USJW1p2s&feature=results_main&playnext=1&l... Over and out for the year. Best wishes to all. :-) Rgds.

@Oketch got to see you now get the picture. I agree with you sending mail about this issue every time it happens just gets on peoples nerves ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Okechukwu" <okechukwu@gmail.com> | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> | Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 1:58:16 PM | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] <OT> : No Electricity, No Fuel, No Cooking gas! I need my hot coffee or need some | answers..... | | @Steve thanks for letting me know the situation so graphically & I | empathize with the situation although I may have never experienced | it. My point is, if you have to send skunkworks mail every time this | happens, it will probably be at the very least, once a day. Will | this change anything? | And you would have significantly contributed to clogging the mailbox | & wasting both bandwidth & time! | | ../Ok3ch | | Sent from my iPad | | On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:53, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote: | | > @Okechukwu I'll be glad to answer. You know how they say from space | > the earth looks blue and green and is calm. But when you step into | > earth thats when you realize the pollution, wars, disease etc. The | > same case. If you think coz your hood has stable power, then I | > will tell you, welcome to the rest of the reality of Kenya. | > | > | > Here is how it goes based on kakamega county... | > | > Scenario 1: | > | > you have land owners who have transmission lines passing through | > their land and these owners have trees with leaves and branches | > only inches or feet away from these lines. Now seeing in kakamega | > it rains almost everyday of the year and these rains come with | > fairly strong winds. You end up having wet branches and leaves | > swinging and swaying close to the power lines and guess what | > happens when there is contact... the line trips. When you report | > this to KPLC they don't come to fix it until after 8PM reason | > being they have to test all is okay when the line has maximum load | > to make sure all is okay. so if the rain was at 2pm, you guessed | > it. no power until after 8pm. | > | > Scenario 2: | > | > There was a day about 2 months ago when the power line breaker | > switch broke. Now that switch happens to be in the compound. Nway | > without going into details it affected power to many customers | > along the grid including the sub-chiefs residence. People went | > without power for 3 weeks and can you believe no one reported it | > except me, yet it didnt affect me. When I reported it, at 3PM KPLC | > people came to fix it at 2am the next morning and didn't do | > anything but left it like that for the next 3 weeks. I called | > again... guess what their excuse was? That bees had built a hive | > inside the utility pole and they needed to figure out a way to get | > rid of the bees before they can restore power.... yeah right!!! | > | > Scenario 3: | > | > From reliable sources I got this story where an angry employee cut | > off power coz he was forced to come in to work on his day off and | > there was a soccer game he was going to miss. So you guessed it, | > he decided to screw it up for others as well and go ahead and cut | > the power. | > | > | > Scenario 4: | > | > I have watched during prolonged rain showers the transformer blow | > out over and over again since it sits 20 meters from the building | > and is in clear view from where I sit. When they come to fix it | > they take no measures to plug the hole where the rain water goes | > in... so guess what its a never ending cycle. I got a confidential | > answer to this. These guys capitalize on those faults so they can | > earn overtime on off time field trips | > | > and you say dont blame KPLC? Seriously?? | > | > I can assure you there are places in Kenya, especially the rural | > areas where power is unstable because people in the rural areas | > dont care about power. These guys are so poor they have barely | > enough food to go on the table let alone think about electricity. | > So with poor service no one gives a damn. You can call kakamega | > customer service and ask them how many times obbayi has called to | > complain and you will know the reality. our transformer can serve | > way over 100 homes but it serves only 15 homes of which the owners | > of those homes are all in Nairobi throughout the year leaving an | > average of 3 customers at a time being served by the transformer | > so overload is not an issue here yet stability is. | > | > | > | > | > | > | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > | From: "Okechukwu" <okechukwu@gmail.com> | > | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> | > | Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:44:14 AM | > | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] <OT> : No Electricity, No Fuel, No | > | Cooking gas! I need my hot coffee or need some | > | answers..... | > | | > | @Aki I have not said that you should be banned or stopped from | > | posting | > | about this article, I just feel you having to infor the gorup | > | when | > | your power goes off is not appropriate since if everyone was to | > | do | > | that, we would probably have too many mails - that was my point | > | which | > | you seemingly did not get. | > | I may never like what you say, by I will defend your right to say | > | it | > | ~ | > | I have no idea who said that! | > | | > | My other point was that you seem to be haing these blackouts all | > | the | > | time, I seem to be having none - and we in the same country? and | > | we | > | still blame Kenya Power? does that make sense to you? @Steve, | > | please | > | answer this too. | > | | > | ../Ok3ch | > | | > | On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> | > | wrote: | > | > @Aki dude, you've got no luck.... | > | > | > | > @Oketch.. about the blackouts I can agree with @Aki on the | > | > rural | > | > supply sense. I'm curently working on some long term | > | > project in some small town near kakamega. Blackouts here are | > | > guaranteed to be a daily thing. Worse off when it rains power | > | > can | > | > go off for even 2 days a stretch, I kid you not. through out | > | > the | > | > day when there is power you cannot get a straight hour of | > | > uninterrupted power. it will go for 3, 5, 10 seconds every 10 | > | > to | > | > 20 minutes. a UPS here is no luxury, the only way you can get | > | > decent work done here is to either get a generator or have | > | > solar | > | > drive your gear. When we get a full days power it is something | > | > to | > | > be thankful for.. So I guess as far as power goes, kenya is not | > | > one country. | > | > | > | > KPLC blames the rolling blackouts on trees that have been | > | > planted | > | > near the power lines in peoples farms. when the trees get wet | > | > during the rains the wet leaves on power lines cause the | > | > blackouts... who want to argue with that so... | > | > | > | > ----- Original Message ----- | > | > | From: "Okechukwu" <okechukwu@gmail.com> | > | > | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> | > | > | Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 8:50:50 AM | > | > | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] <OT> : No Electricity, No Fuel, | > | > | No | > | > | Cooking gas! I need my hot coffee or need some | > | > | answers..... | > | > | | > | > | @Aki either you complain too much or we do not live in the | > | > | same | > | > | country. All the time you have outages I have checked my home | > | > | computer and it's always on and since it's UPS can barely do | > | > | five | > | > | minutes, I know there is power. Maybe Kenya Power just | > | > | doesn't | > | > | like | > | > | your neighborhood, or people near you contribute to your | > | > | outages | > | > | by | > | > | building high storey's which cannot support the power | > | > | distribution | > | > | in your ares. Cut KP some slack, they have tried given their | > | > | resources. | > | > | | > | > | & I've had no gas for the last 2 months resorting to cooking | > | > | with | > | > | electricity - just to show you how reliable Kenya Power is to | > | > | me, | > | > | and I choose not to complain about the gas! | > | > | | > | > | I also have failed to understand the meaning of this thread. | > | > | I | > | > | stopped reading it a long time ago since if it's meant to | > | > | report | > | > | power outages, then it's the wrong forum. Maybe a thread to | > | > | help | > | > | out | > | > | in minimizing outages might be more helpful. If half the | > | > | people | > | > | in | > | > | this list decided to report when power goes in their | > | > | neighborhoods, | > | > | we would spend a zillion years goes through the mails. | > | > | | > | > | My 50 dollars worth of thoughts! | > | > | | > | > | ../Ok3ch | > | > | | > | > | Sent from my iPad | > | > | | > | > | On Dec 22, 2011, at 0:06, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: | > | > | | > | > | > @Electricity back after a 13 hour outage. All electronics | > | > | > had | > | > | > gone | > | > | > dead : computers, phones, door bells etc. Things not | > | > | > looking | > | > | > good | > | > | > in the refrigerator, the stored meat has been the first | > | > | > item | > | > | > affected and could pose a serious heath hazard..... | > | > | > | > | > | > I'm really starting to miss staying in urban developed | > | > | > societies, | > | > | > it used to be so nice. You would plan your day, and have a | > | > | > very | > | > | > productive one. Only those who understand urban life can | > | > | > relate | > | > | > to | > | > | > this, not rural folks. Whether Summer or Winter, your daily | > | > | > life | > | > | > ran in an organised manner. The bus would show up at | > | > | > exactly | > | > | > the | > | > | > same time each day as expected, the underground trains | > | > | > would be | > | > | > the same. Night social life went on until 4 or 5am, you | > | > | > would | > | > | > find | > | > | > a cab to take you wherever you wanted, and not into into | > | > | > some | > | > | > checkpoints of "hatari". Traffic was organised mayhem, you | > | > | > would | > | > | > still reach your destination on time no matter what. Your | > | > | > physical | > | > | > mail got delivered to your doorstep, the weekends travel | > | > | > would | > | > | > always be timed distance/speed = time to destination. All | > | > | > household goods were so affordable, interest rates on | > | > | > credti | > | > | > cards | > | > | > were super low. You went out to eat great food that was so | > | > | > cheap, | > | > | > bought branded clothes that were so affordable etc etc. | > | > | > You | > | > | > went | > | > | > out and did grea | > | > | t photography, night time pictures, mall pictures until you | > | > | got | > | > | tired. Everything worked so well until you took it as much a | > | > | part | > | > | of life as the oxygen around us. Each morning and each night | > | > | delivered its promise as the rising and setting sun did each | > | > | day. | > | > | > | > | > | > But in wheeler/dealer, supply/demand economies all the | > | > | > above | > | > | > are | > | > | > luxuries. For every problem purposely created, there is a | > | > | > business | > | > | > plan that benefits from lack of a normal urban lifestyle | > | > | > thus | > | > | > creating new avenues of exploitation but normally hidden as | > | > | > regular business. Embraced highly as the growth basis of | > | > | > the | > | > | > economies, this is core of the thriving third world. This | > | > | > is | > | > | > the | > | > | > rural folks way of thinking, as long as the land is tended | > | > | > to, | > | > | > the | > | > | > rains will come and the soil will produce what it is | > | > | > supposed | > | > | > to. | > | > | > Only those who are urbanised know what a green house can | > | > | > do, | > | > | > what | > | > | > planning is and what projections are. I never seen any | > | > | > urban | > | > | > society go hungry, they will put in the more hard work than | > | > | > the | > | > | > rural folk and still have food on their plates, pay thier | > | > | > bills | > | > | > and raise their families. | > | > | > | > | > | > Bad choices means a bad future. 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@Aki I once told a bunch of people a story about life in nairobi. Everybody was okay with the story until I mentioned a blackout that lasted a few hours. From there they all insist I was lying. to those guys out in the west the power blackouts we have here just do not register to them. Life there is different. We cook with Electricity, then the dish washer uses electricity to boil and scrub the dishes, then you got the scraps disposal unit which uses electricity, then you got the air conditioner which uses electricity, then there is the clothes washer and dryer which both use electricity. These are just the basics in almost every home in the city so when you have power blackouts your are basically helpless. ----- Original Message ----- | From: "aki" <aki275@gmail.com> | To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> | Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 9:45:46 AM | Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] <OT> : No Electricity, No Fuel, No Cooking | gas! I need my hot coffee or need some answers..... | On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Steve Obbayi < steve@sobbayi.com > | wrote: | | @Aki dude, you've got no luck.... | | @Steve, since you've been on both sides of the North Atlantic ocean, | can you kindly tell these business opportunists looking to making | money on the so called demands of urban life that it's not about | such. Tell someone in a modern city that you can sell them a solar | panel to subsidize their electricity usages, they will tell you to | go jump off the nearest bridge. | Even Alicia Keys was inspired by NY. I posted this already but will | re-post, this time with lyrics : | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiWD9QWKGRw&feature=related | BTW, the power just went out again! So all plans for the day are | thrown into disarray, so time to shut down all devices and preserve | them until electricity is resored. I live very close to a commercial | area, I can only imagine what those who operate their businesses in | such an area must be going through. | Rgds. | --- I only dispense knowledge or information through a selective | process called " on a need to know basis " --- | _______________________________________________ | Skunkworks mailing list | Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke | ------------ | List info, subscribe/unsubscribe | http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks | ------------ | Skunkworks Rules | http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 | ------------ | Other services @ http://my.co.ke

*Wait for it* On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:

While we are on this topic of electricity, no fuel or gas, I like what the utility company in Orlando and of course other parts in the west are doing. You can install solar panels in your home or business and sign an agreement with the power company to have them buy the excess and channel it back into the grid. what would it take for KPLC to do the same?

http://reliablygreen.ouc.com/en/what_you_can_do_0.aspx

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*From: *"Steve Obbayi" <steve@sobbayi.com> *To: *"Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent: *Thursday, December 22, 2011 1:12:23 PM *Subject: *Re: [Skunkworks] <OT> : No Electricity, No Fuel, No Cooking gas! I need my hot coffee or need some answers.....

@Aki I once told a bunch of people a story about life in nairobi. Everybody was okay with the story until I mentioned a blackout that lasted a few hours. From there they all insist I was lying. to those guys out in the west the power blackouts we have here just do not register to them. Life there is different. We cook with Electricity, then the dish washer uses electricity to boil and scrub the dishes, then you got the scraps disposal unit which uses electricity, then you got the air conditioner which uses electricity, then there is the clothes washer and dryer which both use electricity. These are just the basics in almost every home in the city so when you have power blackouts your are basically helpless.

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Nothing short of a miracle Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:05:12 To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: [Skunkworks] Selling Power to KPLC _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke

Come to think of it, what would be required to implement this? A separate grid? _______________________________________________ *Good judgement comes from Experience.* *Most of that comes from Bad Judgement.* _______________________________________________ * * 2011/12/26 Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke>

The day that happens in Kenya, I will see green pigs flying past my window.

Regard's

Brian Ngure

On 25 Dec 2011 19:08, <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:

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Nothing short of a miracle

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We need a twitter/facebook on fuel prices.....they are the one single cause of the high inflation we are having in this country On Dec 8, 2011 1:55 PM, "Juggy Boy" <am.mambo@gmail.com> wrote:

This is pure poor planning starting with me and you. Pun intended :-)

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Mungai S. Mbugua <sospeter@elimu.co.ke>wrote:

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No Electricity, for 2 weeks now. Why? Coz the KENYA POWER guys are punishing us for not MULIKA-ing MWIZI.

But I don't have enough EVEREADY POWER on my torch to MULIKA KENYA POWER as the MWIZI.

They are the ones professional enough to siphon oil from transformers on a rainy without getting electrocuted, aren't they?

And I wonder, do they expect me to sit in the dark under a transformer so as to stop a thief, while electricity is in the house? Where is the sense on that?

If you feel me say 'Hell Yeah'!

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I agree the main fault comes from we the people who want shortcuts to everything this will definitely and eventually spill over into our governance thus no development.

the top-down solution will not work in this cause our saving grace is a bottom-up approach, thus if we have a strong social and moral fabric it will eventually and definitely take root into our instructions.

All in all the solution lies with you and me, and not them who YOU elected!!!!

Just my 2 cents!!!!!

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:59 AM, wool row <skunkworks100@gmail.com> wrote:

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Greed, that is all i can say.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:55 AM, wool row <skunkworks100@gmail.com> wrote:

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@Phares,

All these, thanks for corruption.

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

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KPLC >= useless

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com>wrote:

> Computing my inflation figures with base as 10 years ago (standard > practice anyway), we are approaching 50% inflation rate, to me thats > very > scary. > > So I have decided to be drinking coffee to cool my nerves since im > almost running mad. Mad that now my family cannot afford a decent > meal, > decent shelter or pretty anything else apart from clothes. Rain was > supposed to be a respite to our woes, now its increasing our > suffering. > Pray, when it stops pouring, things will get worse. Im not talking > about > the bank loan. > > Thats why im getting addicted to coffee to cool my nerves. > > P3t3R > > On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:09 PM, geoffrey gitagia > <ggitagia@gmail.com>wrote: > >> ok sure blame it on US !!!! i don't understand this one thing about >> "blame it on the voter" this is how i have seen it since i was 18 >> ... "of >> two deadly snakes , which one shall you choose to bite you" so how >> can i be >> blamed if at the first instance my options are limited, i believe >> our >> problems will go away but it wont be an overnight like the Arab >> revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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NO electricity overnight, and still nothing today morning. That's a 16 hour power outage. Laptop battery at 6%,almost shutting down. Called KPLC, same story. Began the week with no electricity,no hot water,no coffee. KPLC have made it possible to have the same experience of Friday too. The Ultimate incompetent morons are KPLC!