Re: [Skunkworks] Open positions at Safaricom
Did anyone outside Safcom apply for these jobs & got a successful INTERVIEW YET?? 2009/3/20 ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>
No offense to anyone at safcom but those jobs are next to impossible to hook up.
I think a pre-determined priority is given to guys within safcom ??
As an experiment, please update us if you get a successful interview.
w/r
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On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Tony Mwai <antonymwai@gmail.com> wrote:
Did anyone outside Safcom apply for these jobs & got a successful INTERVIEW YET??
Rumour mills are churning... that there are no such qualifications in KE! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
We said it and the doubt has been confirmed though partially, on these jobs! Kumbe Safaricom can be this uncouth? On 14/04/2009, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Tony Mwai <antonymwai@gmail.com> wrote:
Did anyone outside Safcom apply for these jobs & got a successful INTERVIEW YET??
Rumour mills are churning... that there are no such qualifications in KE!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
-- Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!
This is an assumption, and moreso, do we represent a good sample? As much I don't like Sufferingcon, I believe in their right of existence and they right to make their own decisions. They are in it for the money, not to please you. ./Ok3ch On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
We said it and the doubt has been confirmed though partially, on these jobs! Kumbe Safaricom can be this uncouth?
On 14/04/2009, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Tony Mwai <antonymwai@gmail.com> wrote:
Did anyone outside Safcom apply for these jobs & got a successful INTERVIEW YET??
Rumour mills are churning... that there are no such qualifications in KE!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
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Sufferingcon...LOL On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is an assumption, and moreso, do we represent a good sample? As much I don't like Sufferingcon, I believe in their right of existence and they right to make their own decisions. They are in it for the money, not to please you.
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
We said it and the doubt has been confirmed though partially, on these jobs! Kumbe Safaricom can be this uncouth?
On 14/04/2009, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Tony Mwai <antonymwai@gmail.com> wrote:
Did anyone outside Safcom apply for these jobs & got a successful INTERVIEW YET??
Rumour mills are churning... that there are no such qualifications in KE!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
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Oh, and what jobs are you guys talking about? I was planning to apply for a job there... On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
Sufferingcon...LOL
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is an assumption, and moreso, do we represent a good sample? As much I don't like Sufferingcon, I believe in their right of existence and they right to make their own decisions. They are in it for the money, not to please you.
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
We said it and the doubt has been confirmed though partially, on these jobs! Kumbe Safaricom can be this uncouth?
On 14/04/2009, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Tony Mwai <antonymwai@gmail.com> wrote:
Did anyone outside Safcom apply for these jobs & got a successful INTERVIEW YET??
Rumour mills are churning... that there are no such qualifications in KE!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
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@ Shiko just don't try as yet. You might be more surprised and shocked, better suffering than being both conned and suffering! On 16/04/2009, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh, and what jobs are you guys talking about? I was planning to apply for a job there...
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:51 AM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
Sufferingcon...LOL
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
This is an assumption, and moreso, do we represent a good sample? As much I don't like Sufferingcon, I believe in their right of existence and they right to make their own decisions. They are in it for the money, not to please you.
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
We said it and the doubt has been confirmed though partially, on these jobs! Kumbe Safaricom can be this uncouth?
On 14/04/2009, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Tony Mwai <antonymwai@gmail.com> wrote:
Did anyone outside Safcom apply for these jobs & got a successful INTERVIEW YET??
Rumour mills are churning... that there are no such qualifications in KE!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
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On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh, and what jobs are you guys talking about? I was planning to apply for a job there...
Shiro, You are time barred. The jobs being referred to were posted on Safaricom's website some time back. The deadline passed while you were abroad (or asleep) :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
Guys, With all due respect Safaricom employs many people - over 500 i think. While we may agree or not agree with their selection methods, the fact remains that they as an organisation are the employers and are in charge of the selection process.. I have many friends at Safaricom, who got jobs, as a result of adverts in the papers and their websites, and many of them did not know anybody at Safaricom previously. All in all, when you are a successful company, people will hit you from all sides, even from a HR perspective. True, Safaricom may need to put their act together to ensure that their selection process is more transparent. Let us engage in meaningful discussions, and encourage others, rather than discourage people from applying for positions at Safaricom. Tito.
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com>wrote:
Guys,
With all due respect Safaricom employs many people - over 500 i think.
While we may agree or not agree with their selection methods, the fact remains that they as an organisation are the employers and are in charge of the selection process..
I have many friends at Safaricom, who got jobs, as a result of adverts in the papers and their websites, and many of them did not know anybody at Safaricom previously.
All in all, when you are a successful company, people will hit you from all sides, even from a HR perspective.
True, Safaricom may need to put their act together to ensure that their selection process is more transparent. Let us engage in meaningful discussions, and encourage others, rather than discourage people from applying for positions at Safaricom.
@Tito, I don't remember anyone saying they are not transparent per se. Anyway, let's let this be, for now. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
@ Tito, we were just trying to engage the curious minds on this issue. As a public entity, transparency is what counts in public selection. Having friends working Safaricom does not mean everything is 'nywee.' I agree, negative criticism does not sort things out at all. Thank you for your insights on the thread! On 16/04/2009, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys,
With all due respect Safaricom employs many people - over 500 i think.
While we may agree or not agree with their selection methods, the fact remains that they as an organisation are the employers and are in charge of the selection process..
I have many friends at Safaricom, who got jobs, as a result of adverts in the papers and their websites, and many of them did not know anybody at Safaricom previously.
All in all, when you are a successful company, people will hit you from all sides, even from a HR perspective.
True, Safaricom may need to put their act together to ensure that their selection process is more transparent. Let us engage in meaningful discussions, and encourage others, rather than discourage people from applying for positions at Safaricom.
Tito.
-- Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!
Safaricom is a private entity, not a public entity. They are quite free to employ who they want, qualified or not qualified. They are also free to pay what they want, because its a free economy. If they pay low and don't get the right guys, its their problem. You can only have an issue with them if you are one of the 800 share holders, in which case you are free to rasie that issue with the management who are, as it were, your employees... I am not tetea-ring them here, just stating facts. Ikua. On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Tito, we were just trying to engage the curious minds on this issue. As a public entity, transparency is what counts in public selection. Having friends working Safaricom does not mean everything is 'nywee.' I agree, negative criticism does not sort things out at all. Thank you for your insights on the thread!
On 16/04/2009, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys,
With all due respect Safaricom employs many people - over 500 i think.
While we may agree or not agree with their selection methods, the fact remains that they as an organisation are the employers and are in charge of the selection process..
I have many friends at Safaricom, who got jobs, as a result of adverts in the papers and their websites, and many of them did not know anybody at Safaricom previously.
All in all, when you are a successful company, people will hit you from all sides, even from a HR perspective.
True, Safaricom may need to put their act together to ensure that their selection process is more transparent. Let us engage in meaningful discussions, and encourage others, rather than discourage people from applying for positions at Safaricom.
Tito.
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Yeah, speaking of share holding - what happened to a fifth of my applied shares?? It seems at the number of years [X] increase, the value of my 'pieces of fifths' is diminishing towards zero !!
@ Ikua, what makes a firm private, if at all the PS Finance is among the shareholders doesn't that mean it is a public entity? Is KPLC a private firm or a public entity? What logic makes a firm private and public? Doesn't private mean "free" of government control or shareholding capacity" whether minimal or otherwise? Zain qualifies as a private firm, since it does not sell shares at the NSE while Safaricom does it. My logic here is private is an entity which is not controlled by the government directly! My 05 cents Solomon Mburu On 16/04/2009, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Safaricom is a private entity, not a public entity. They are quite free to employ who they want, qualified or not qualified. They are also free to pay what they want, because its a free economy. If they pay low and don't get the right guys, its their problem. You can only have an issue with them if you are one of the 800 share holders, in which case you are free to rasie that issue with the management who are, as it were, your employees... I am not tetea-ring them here, just stating facts. Ikua.
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Tito, we were just trying to engage the curious minds on this issue. As a public entity, transparency is what counts in public selection. Having friends working Safaricom does not mean everything is 'nywee.' I agree, negative criticism does not sort things out at all. Thank you for your insights on the thread!
On 16/04/2009, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys,
With all due respect Safaricom employs many people - over 500 i think.
While we may agree or not agree with their selection methods, the fact remains that they as an organisation are the employers and are in charge of the selection process..
I have many friends at Safaricom, who got jobs, as a result of adverts in the papers and their websites, and many of them did not know anybody at Safaricom previously.
All in all, when you are a successful company, people will hit you from all sides, even from a HR perspective.
True, Safaricom may need to put their act together to ensure that their selection process is more transparent. Let us engage in meaningful discussions, and encourage others, rather than discourage people from applying for positions at Safaricom.
Tito.
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The Government here is just a share holder like everyone else. Therefore public will only mean wholly Government controlled, like a parastatal complete with blue plates on the cars. I meant private in the context of the fact that it is privately owned by individuals. I think the gava is no longer the single largest shareholder, having sold out shares to the public. They are controlling I think 35%? On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Ikua,
what makes a firm private, if at all the PS Finance is among the shareholders doesn't that mean it is a public entity? Is KPLC a private firm or a public entity? What logic makes a firm private and public?
Doesn't private mean "free" of government control or shareholding capacity" whether minimal or otherwise?
Zain qualifies as a private firm, since it does not sell shares at the NSE while Safaricom does it.
My logic here is private is an entity which is not controlled by the government directly!
My 05 cents
Solomon Mburu
On 16/04/2009, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Safaricom is a private entity, not a public entity. They are quite free to employ who they want, qualified or not qualified. They are also free to pay what they want, because its a free economy. If they pay low and don't get the right guys, its their problem. You can only have an issue with them if you are one of the 800 share holders, in which case you are free to rasie that issue with the management who are, as it were, your employees... I am not tetea-ring them here, just stating facts. Ikua.
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com wrote:
@ Tito, we were just trying to engage the curious minds on this issue. As a public entity, transparency is what counts in public selection. Having friends working Safaricom does not mean everything is 'nywee.' I agree, negative criticism does not sort things out at all. Thank you for your insights on the thread!
On 16/04/2009, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys,
With all due respect Safaricom employs many people - over 500 i think.
While we may agree or not agree with their selection methods, the fact remains that they as an organisation are the employers and are in charge of the selection process..
I have many friends at Safaricom, who got jobs, as a result of adverts in the papers and their websites, and many of them did not know anybody at Safaricom previously.
All in all, when you are a successful company, people will hit you from all sides, even from a HR perspective.
True, Safaricom may need to put their act together to ensure that their selection process is more transparent. Let us engage in meaningful discussions, and encourage others, rather than discourage people from applying for positions at Safaricom.
Tito.
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Maybe the confusion is from those Business Ed classes we all did: Private Limited Company from 2 to (i think) 49 share holders (not obliged to publish Public Limited Company from 49 shareholders and up (obliged to publish annual results in media) So safcom is a public limited company in that sense On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
The Government here is just a share holder like everyone else. Therefore public will only mean wholly Government controlled, like a parastatal complete with blue plates on the cars. I meant private in the context of the fact that it is privately owned by individuals. I think the gava is no longer the single largest shareholder, having sold out shares to the public. They are controlling I think 35%?
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Ikua,
what makes a firm private, if at all the PS Finance is among the shareholders doesn't that mean it is a public entity? Is KPLC a private firm or a public entity? What logic makes a firm private and public?
Doesn't private mean "free" of government control or shareholding capacity" whether minimal or otherwise?
Zain qualifies as a private firm, since it does not sell shares at the NSE while Safaricom does it.
My logic here is private is an entity which is not controlled by the government directly!
My 05 cents
Solomon Mburu
On 16/04/2009, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Safaricom is a private entity, not a public entity. They are quite free to employ who they want, qualified or not qualified. They are also free to pay what they want, because its a free economy. If they pay low and don't get the right guys, its their problem. You can only have an issue with them if you are one of the 800 share holders, in which case you are free to rasie that issue with the management who are, as it were, your employees... I am not tetea-ring them here, just stating facts. Ikua.
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com wrote:
@ Tito, we were just trying to engage the curious minds on this issue. As a public entity, transparency is what counts in public selection. Having friends working Safaricom does not mean everything is 'nywee.' I agree, negative criticism does not sort things out at all. Thank you for your insights on the thread!
On 16/04/2009, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys,
With all due respect Safaricom employs many people - over 500 i think.
While we may agree or not agree with their selection methods, the fact remains that they as an organisation are the employers and are in charge of the selection process..
I have many friends at Safaricom, who got jobs, as a result of adverts in the papers and their websites, and many of them did not know anybody at Safaricom previously.
All in all, when you are a successful company, people will hit you from all sides, even from a HR perspective.
True, Safaricom may need to put their act together to ensure that their selection process is more transparent. Let us engage in meaningful discussions, and encourage others, rather than discourage people from applying for positions at Safaricom.
Tito.
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Is EABL a public entity? On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe the confusion is from those Business Ed classes we all did: Private Limited Company from 2 to (i think) 49 share holders (not obliged to publish Public Limited Company from 49 shareholders and up (obliged to publish annual results in media)
So safcom is a public limited company in that sense
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
The Government here is just a share holder like everyone else. Therefore public will only mean wholly Government controlled, like a parastatal complete with blue plates on the cars. I meant private in the context of the fact that it is privately owned by individuals. I think the gava is no longer the single largest shareholder, having sold out shares to the public. They are controlling I think 35%?
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Ikua,
what makes a firm private, if at all the PS Finance is among the shareholders doesn't that mean it is a public entity? Is KPLC a private firm or a public entity? What logic makes a firm private and public?
Doesn't private mean "free" of government control or shareholding capacity" whether minimal or otherwise?
Zain qualifies as a private firm, since it does not sell shares at the NSE while Safaricom does it.
My logic here is private is an entity which is not controlled by the government directly!
My 05 cents
Solomon Mburu
On 16/04/2009, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Safaricom is a private entity, not a public entity. They are quite free to employ who they want, qualified or not qualified. They are also free to pay what they want, because its a free economy. If they pay low and don't get the right guys, its their problem. You can only have an issue with them if you are one of the 800 share holders, in which case you are free to rasie that issue with the management who are, as it were, your employees... I am not tetea-ring them here, just stating facts. Ikua.
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com wrote:
@ Tito, we were just trying to engage the curious minds on this issue. As a public entity, transparency is what counts in public selection. Having friends working Safaricom does not mean everything is 'nywee.' I agree, negative criticism does not sort things out at all. Thank you for your insights on the thread!
On 16/04/2009, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com> wrote:
Guys,
With all due respect Safaricom employs many people - over 500 i think.
While we may agree or not agree with their selection methods, the fact remains that they as an organisation are the employers and are in charge of the selection process..
I have many friends at Safaricom, who got jobs, as a result of adverts in the papers and their websites, and many of them did not know anybody at Safaricom previously.
All in all, when you are a successful company, people will hit you from all sides, even from a HR perspective.
True, Safaricom may need to put their act together to ensure that their selection process is more transparent. Let us engage in meaningful discussions, and encourage others, rather than discourage people from applying for positions at Safaricom.
Tito.
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As safaricom shareholder and thus part owner (hata kama niko na shares mbao) I would like to believe that safcom is a Public Limited Company. Hata kwa agm tunaweza decide ifungwe ;) On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Is EABL a public entity?
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com>wrote:
Maybe the confusion is from those Business Ed classes we all did: Private Limited Company from 2 to (i think) 49 share holders (not obliged to publish Public Limited Company from 49 shareholders and up (obliged to publish annual results in media)
So safcom is a public limited company in that sense
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
The Government here is just a share holder like everyone else. Therefore public will only mean wholly Government controlled, like a parastatal complete with blue plates on the cars. I meant private in the context of the fact that it is privately owned by individuals. I think the gava is no longer the single largest shareholder, having sold out shares to the public. They are controlling I think 35%?
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Ikua,
what makes a firm private, if at all the PS Finance is among the shareholders doesn't that mean it is a public entity? Is KPLC a private firm or a public entity? What logic makes a firm private and public?
Doesn't private mean "free" of government control or shareholding capacity" whether minimal or otherwise?
Zain qualifies as a private firm, since it does not sell shares at the NSE while Safaricom does it.
My logic here is private is an entity which is not controlled by the government directly!
My 05 cents
Solomon Mburu
On 16/04/2009, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Safaricom is a private entity, not a public entity. They are quite free to employ who they want, qualified or not qualified. They are also free to pay what they want, because its a free economy. If they pay low and don't get the right guys, its their problem. You can only have an issue with them if you are one of the 800 share holders, in which case you are free to rasie that issue with the management who are, as it were, your employees... I am not tetea-ring them here, just stating facts. Ikua.
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com wrote:
@ Tito, we were just trying to engage the curious minds on this issue. As a public entity, transparency is what counts in public selection. Having friends working Safaricom does not mean everything is 'nywee.' I agree, negative criticism does not sort things out at all. Thank you for your insights on the thread!
On 16/04/2009, Njoroge Tito <titonjoroge@gmail.com> wrote: > Guys, > > With all due respect Safaricom employs many people - over 500 i think. > > While we may agree or not agree with their selection methods, the fact > remains that they as an organisation are the employers and are in charge of > the selection process.. > > I have many friends at Safaricom, who got jobs, as a result of adverts > in > the papers and their websites, and many of them did not know anybody at > Safaricom previously. > > All in all, when you are a successful company, people will hit you from all > sides, even from a HR perspective. > > True, Safaricom may need to put their act together to ensure that their > selection process is more transparent. Let us engage in meaningful > discussions, and encourage others, rather than discourage people from > applying for positions at Safaricom. > > Tito. >
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I think we are mixing issues a bit. Lets not confuse Private and Public entities with Private Limited Company and Public Limited Company. First, a company, whether privately or publicly owned, is a legal person and has rights to its own "privacy". We humans (persons) or other companies (legal persons) should not be privy to their private information unless they offer it to us. What Ikua meant is that Safcom is a "Private" entity and not a "Public" entity. Example of a "Public entity" is the ECK or KNHRC.. its has Public offices like.. the "The Chairman" .. the appointment to that position if of interest to the public and hence we should be privy to such info ... But .. A managerial position in Safcom is not a Public Office ... hence the process and indeed their decision making criteria is private information owned by Safcom
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Evans Ikua -
Jacob Odada -
Josiah Mugambi -
ndungu stephen -
Njoroge Tito -
Odhiambo Washington -
Okechukwu -
Shiro Njagi -
Solomon Mburu -
Thomas Kibui -
Tony Mwai