Windows and Internet Banking
Me thinks Kenyan banks should read this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=5813&tag=nl.e550 I am yet to find a Kenyan Internet banking site that is fully accessible from any other browser except Internet Explorer. Banks don't seem to realize that there are other operating system out there aside from MS Windows. Anyone on this list had any issues with Internet banking sites and Mozilla or Safari? -- Regards, Brian Ngure
I agree 100% that banks are doing a disservice to customers by only catering to certain browsers. But i disagree 100% with the notion that changing operating systems will somehow make you immune to phishing. How??! Phishing is not a browser or operating system problem. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Brian Ngure < brian@mystique.boldlygoingnowhere.org> wrote:
Me thinks Kenyan banks should read this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=5813&tag=nl.e550
I am yet to find a Kenyan Internet banking site that is fully accessible from any other browser except Internet Explorer. Banks don't seem to realize that there are other operating system out there aside from MS Windows. Anyone on this list had any issues with Internet banking sites and Mozilla or Safari?
-- Regards,
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@Rad! I agree about the Phishing side. But even the author notes <quote> This doesn't protect against phishing ... Well, if you separate email and browsing from banking, then it does ... a lot of readers seemed to have missed that. also, while the FBI director talked about phishing, his isn't the only threat facing online banking users. One thing that using a LiveCD for banking does is create a policy ... so if you ONLY visit your bank via the LiveCD OS, you're putting in place a policy that says you DON'T visit your bank via email links. Security is, after all, 90% good practice. </quote> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree 100% that banks are doing a disservice to customers by only catering to certain browsers.
But i disagree 100% with the notion that changing operating systems will somehow make you immune to phishing. How??! Phishing is not a browser or operating system problem.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Brian Ngure <brian@mystique.boldlygoingnowhere.org> wrote:
Me thinks Kenyan banks should read this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=5813&tag=nl.e550
I am yet to find a Kenyan Internet banking site that is fully accessible from any other browser except Internet Explorer. Banks don't seem to realize that there are other operating system out there aside from MS Windows. Anyone on this list had any issues with Internet banking sites and Mozilla or Safari?
-- Regards,
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Well the main issue here is that even the available sites have nothing important about banking. All they have is just information advertising the bank and nothing else. The only bank that seems to have a somehow nice though not good enough website is NIC. St least they ssl and online banking stuff in there but not up to the mark. I mean, they should really have nice sites that allow at least internal transaction processing if they dont want to bother with even other local banks. All the info you get from the banks site is their next jubilee and their new offers. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree 100% that banks are doing a disservice to customers by only catering to certain browsers.
But i disagree 100% with the notion that changing operating systems will somehow make you immune to phishing. How??! Phishing is not a browser or operating system problem.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Brian Ngure < brian@mystique.boldlygoingnowhere.org> wrote:
Me thinks Kenyan banks should read this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=5813&tag=nl.e550
I am yet to find a Kenyan Internet banking site that is fully accessible from any other browser except Internet Explorer. Banks don't seem to realize that there are other operating system out there aside from MS Windows. Anyone on this list had any issues with Internet banking sites and Mozilla or Safari?
-- Regards,
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Banks and other corporations have heavily under utilised the web. For example, I believe that the long winding queues at the customer care desks can be reduced by a wiki hosted on the banks' website. For good reasons, a frequently updated wiki reduces conversation traffic between customer care staff and clients. In spite of most IT departments being aware of this none will care to implement -- yet mediawiki is free! on this note, I was impressed by home.co.ke {HFCK} and their mortgage calculator. They need to do so much more though in putting out detailed information to the public on the web. Banks are not the only ones, Mobile operator networks can also make good use of a wiki. If I was consulting, this wouldnt be `my 2 sense` .. :) -- Ndungi Kyalo "if you want to go fast go alone, if you want to go far get company" biblia.kenya.or.ke On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:22 AM, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com>wrote:
Well the main issue here is that even the available sites have nothing important about banking. All they have is just information advertising the bank and nothing else. The only bank that seems to have a somehow nice though not good enough website is NIC. St least they ssl and online banking stuff in there but not up to the mark. I mean, they should really have nice sites that allow at least internal transaction processing if they dont want to bother with even other local banks. All the info you get from the banks site is their next jubilee and their new offers.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree 100% that banks are doing a disservice to customers by only catering to certain browsers.
But i disagree 100% with the notion that changing operating systems will somehow make you immune to phishing. How??! Phishing is not a browser or operating system problem.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Brian Ngure < brian@mystique.boldlygoingnowhere.org> wrote:
Me thinks Kenyan banks should read this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=5813&tag=nl.e550
I am yet to find a Kenyan Internet banking site that is fully accessible from any other browser except Internet Explorer. Banks don't seem to realize that there are other operating system out there aside from MS Windows. Anyone on this list had any issues with Internet banking sites and Mozilla or Safari?
-- Regards,
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There is a Firefox [and Flock, I guess] extension called IE Tab that allows a user to open a tab that renders pages using the IE engine, allowing the internet user to access IE-only sites like Windows Update from Firefox. One can pre-configure the extension to switch the rendering engine automagically when visiting such websites as only allow the IE browser. Me. 2009/10/15 Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com>
Banks and other corporations have heavily under utilised the web. For example, I believe that the long winding queues at the customer care desks can be reduced by a wiki hosted on the banks' website. For good reasons, a frequently updated wiki reduces conversation traffic between customer care staff and clients. In spite of most IT departments being aware of this none will care to implement -- yet mediawiki is free!
on this note, I was impressed by home.co.ke {HFCK} and their mortgage calculator. They need to do so much more though in putting out detailed information to the public on the web.
Banks are not the only ones, Mobile operator networks can also make good use of a wiki.
If I was consulting, this wouldnt be `my 2 sense` .. :)
-- Ndungi Kyalo
"if you want to go fast go alone, if you want to go far get company" biblia.kenya.or.ke
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 8:22 AM, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com>wrote:
Well the main issue here is that even the available sites have nothing important about banking. All they have is just information advertising the bank and nothing else. The only bank that seems to have a somehow nice though not good enough website is NIC. St least they ssl and online banking stuff in there but not up to the mark. I mean, they should really have nice sites that allow at least internal transaction processing if they dont want to bother with even other local banks. All the info you get from the banks site is their next jubilee and their new offers.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree 100% that banks are doing a disservice to customers by only catering to certain browsers.
But i disagree 100% with the notion that changing operating systems will somehow make you immune to phishing. How??! Phishing is not a browser or operating system problem.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Brian Ngure < brian@mystique.boldlygoingnowhere.org> wrote:
Me thinks Kenyan banks should read this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=5813&tag=nl.e550
I am yet to find a Kenyan Internet banking site that is fully accessible from any other browser except Internet Explorer. Banks don't seem to realize that there are other operating system out there aside from MS Windows. Anyone on this list had any issues with Internet banking sites and Mozilla or Safari?
-- Regards,
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I think Kenyan banks need a good kick in the pants to spur them to action. In many ways they're just as bad as government when it comes to adopting IT. Why for example should i have to fill in forms AGAIN with name, date of birth, employer etc and provide passport photos, copy of PIN etc etc when opening a second account in the *same bank*? Absurd. Banks should let customers transact wholly online. Create accounts, move money between accounts, setup standing orders, pay bills etc. Being forced to go to the banking hall in this day and age for the most basic transactions is too much. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:22 AM, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com>wrote:
Well the main issue here is that even the available sites have nothing important about banking. All they have is just information advertising the bank and nothing else. The only bank that seems to have a somehow nice though not good enough website is NIC. St least they ssl and online banking stuff in there but not up to the mark. I mean, they should really have nice sites that allow at least internal transaction processing if they dont want to bother with even other local banks. All the info you get from the banks site is their next jubilee and their new offers.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree 100% that banks are doing a disservice to customers by only catering to certain browsers.
But i disagree 100% with the notion that changing operating systems will somehow make you immune to phishing. How??! Phishing is not a browser or operating system problem.
Yes Randi. I support you 100% On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Kenyan banks need a good kick in the pants to spur them to action. In many ways they're just as bad as government when it comes to adopting IT.
Why for example should i have to fill in forms AGAIN with name, date of birth, employer etc and provide passport photos, copy of PIN etc etc when opening a second account in the *same bank*? Absurd.
Banks should let customers transact wholly online. Create accounts, move money between accounts, setup standing orders, pay bills etc. Being forced to go to the banking hall in this day and age for the most basic transactions is too much.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:22 AM, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com>wrote:
Well the main issue here is that even the available sites have nothing important about banking. All they have is just information advertising the bank and nothing else. The only bank that seems to have a somehow nice though not good enough website is NIC. St least they ssl and online banking stuff in there but not up to the mark. I mean, they should really have nice sites that allow at least internal transaction processing if they dont want to bother with even other local banks. All the info you get from the banks site is their next jubilee and their new offers.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree 100% that banks are doing a disservice to customers by only catering to certain browsers.
But i disagree 100% with the notion that changing operating systems will somehow make you immune to phishing. How??! Phishing is not a browser or operating system problem.
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Good feedback from the comments so far however from Security/Auditing perspective this is where Banks differentiate from any other industry. Are you guys aware that computer evidence is classified as "secondary evidence?" are you guys uptodate with the banking regulations and laws issued by CBK? Are you aware of the strict auditing banks are subjected to? Having said that, its not the banks fault that they are using IE as a default browser for their online banking for example or whatever browser, it is the vendors of core banking solutions/ internet banking who restrict them to what can be used and "shall" be used. Based on that a contract is signed arround supportability which then ties the banks to abide by those conditions. So if someone wants to take awalk from a particular bank to another cause of supportability of certain browsers or not, you are fine to do that however you will still be choosing from the same basket. A good case is where a vendor of software strictily states that their software can only be supported on certain OS. Regardless of how incapable that OS is you have to stick to it for supportability if you dont like it go shop elsewhere. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Kenyan banks need a good kick in the pants to spur them to action. In many ways they're just as bad as government when it comes to adopting IT.
Why for example should i have to fill in forms AGAIN with name, date of birth, employer etc and provide passport photos, copy of PIN etc etc when opening a second account in the *same bank*? Absurd.
Banks should let customers transact wholly online. Create accounts, move money between accounts, setup standing orders, pay bills etc. Being forced to go to the banking hall in this day and age for the most basic transactions is too much.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:22 AM, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com>wrote:
Well the main issue here is that even the available sites have nothing important about banking. All they have is just information advertising the bank and nothing else. The only bank that seems to have a somehow nice though not good enough website is NIC. St least they ssl and online banking stuff in there but not up to the mark. I mean, they should really have nice sites that allow at least internal transaction processing if they dont want to bother with even other local banks. All the info you get from the banks site is their next jubilee and their new offers.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree 100% that banks are doing a disservice to customers by only catering to certain browsers.
But i disagree 100% with the notion that changing operating systems will somehow make you immune to phishing. How??! Phishing is not a browser or operating system problem.
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"Change is slow and gradual. It requires hardwork, a bit of luck, a fair amount of self-sacrifice and a lot of patience." On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Paul Roy <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Good feedback from the comments so far however from Security/Auditing perspective this is where Banks differentiate from any other industry. Are you guys aware that computer evidence is classified as "secondary evidence?" are you guys uptodate with the banking regulations and laws issued by CBK? Are you aware of the strict auditing banks are subjected to?
Having said that, its not the banks fault that they are using IE as a default browser for their online banking for example or whatever browser, it is the vendors of core banking solutions/ internet banking who restrict them to what can be used and "shall" be used. Based on that a contract is signed arround supportability which then ties the banks to abide by those conditions.
So if someone wants to take awalk from a particular bank to another cause of supportability of certain browsers or not, you are fine to do that however you will still be choosing from the same basket.
A good case is where a vendor of software strictily states that their software can only be supported on certain OS. Regardless of how incapable that OS is you have to stick to it for supportability if you dont like it go shop elsewhere.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Kenyan banks need a good kick in the pants to spur them to action. In many ways they're just as bad as government when it comes to adopting IT.
Why for example should i have to fill in forms AGAIN with name, date of birth, employer etc and provide passport photos, copy of PIN etc etc when opening a second account in the *same bank*? Absurd.
Banks should let customers transact wholly online. Create accounts, move money between accounts, setup standing orders, pay bills etc. Being forced to go to the banking hall in this day and age for the most basic transactions is too much.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:22 AM, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com
wrote:
Well the main issue here is that even the available sites have nothing important about banking. All they have is just information advertising the bank and nothing else. The only bank that seems to have a somehow nice though not good enough website is NIC. St least they ssl and online banking stuff in there but not up to the mark. I mean, they should really have nice sites that allow at least internal transaction processing if they dont want to bother with even other local banks. All the info you get from the banks site is their next jubilee and their new offers.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree 100% that banks are doing a disservice to customers by only catering to certain browsers.
But i disagree 100% with the notion that changing operating systems will somehow make you immune to phishing. How??! Phishing is not a browser or operating system problem.
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Hi Paul, The Equinox banking system that NIC, Fina Bank, CharterHouse Bank, HFCK, etc use is a Java solution, built on SOA architecture and based upon J2EE technology. Please product specs here: http://www.inntron.com/banksys/neptune.htm There is no reason to limit use to IE. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Paul Roy <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Good feedback from the comments so far however from Security/Auditing perspective this is where Banks differentiate from any other industry. Are you guys aware that computer evidence is classified as "secondary evidence?" are you guys uptodate with the banking regulations and laws issued by CBK? Are you aware of the strict auditing banks are subjected to?
Having said that, its not the banks fault that they are using IE as a default browser for their online banking for example or whatever browser, it is the vendors of core banking solutions/ internet banking who restrict them to what can be used and "shall" be used. Based on that a contract is signed arround supportability which then ties the banks to abide by those conditions.
So if someone wants to take awalk from a particular bank to another cause of supportability of certain browsers or not, you are fine to do that however you will still be choosing from the same basket.
A good case is where a vendor of software strictily states that their software can only be supported on certain OS. Regardless of how incapable that OS is you have to stick to it for supportability if you dont like it go shop elsewhere.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Kenyan banks need a good kick in the pants to spur them to action. In many ways they're just as bad as government when it comes to adopting IT.
Why for example should i have to fill in forms AGAIN with name, date of birth, employer etc and provide passport photos, copy of PIN etc etc when opening a second account in the same bank? Absurd.
Banks should let customers transact wholly online. Create accounts, move money between accounts, setup standing orders, pay bills etc. Being forced to go to the banking hall in this day and age for the most basic transactions is too much.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:22 AM, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com> wrote:
Well the main issue here is that even the available sites have nothing important about banking. All they have is just information advertising the bank and nothing else. The only bank that seems to have a somehow nice though not good enough website is NIC. St least they ssl and online banking stuff in there but not up to the mark. I mean, they should really have nice sites that allow at least internal transaction processing if they dont want to bother with even other local banks. All the info you get from the banks site is their next jubilee and their new offers.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree 100% that banks are doing a disservice to customers by only catering to certain browsers.
But i disagree 100% with the notion that changing operating systems will somehow make you immune to phishing. How??! Phishing is not a browser or operating system problem.
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Actually I think J2EE is usually applied by most serious secure systems. Most banks (actually all the ones that I know) that support online transaction use j2ee. Another feature u will discover with their sites is simplicity and ease of use http://bankofamerica.com is an example. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Brian Ngure < brian@mystique.boldlygoingnowhere.org> wrote:
Hi Paul,
The Equinox banking system that NIC, Fina Bank, CharterHouse Bank, HFCK, etc use is a Java solution, built on SOA architecture and based upon J2EE technology. Please product specs here: http://www.inntron.com/banksys/neptune.htm
There is no reason to limit use to IE.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Paul Roy <roykoikai@gmail.com> wrote:
Good feedback from the comments so far however from Security/Auditing perspective this is where Banks differentiate from any other industry. Are you guys aware that computer evidence is classified as "secondary evidence?" are you guys uptodate with the banking regulations and laws issued by CBK? Are you aware of the strict auditing banks are subjected to?
Having said that, its not the banks fault that they are using IE as a default browser for their online banking for example or whatever browser, it is the vendors of core banking solutions/ internet banking who restrict them to what can be used and "shall" be used. Based on that a contract is signed arround supportability which then ties the banks to abide by those conditions.
So if someone wants to take awalk from a particular bank to another cause of supportability of certain browsers or not, you are fine to do that however you will still be choosing from the same basket.
A good case is where a vendor of software strictily states that their software can only be supported on certain OS. Regardless of how incapable that OS is you have to stick to it for supportability if you dont like it go shop elsewhere.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I think Kenyan banks need a good kick in the pants to spur them to
action.
In many ways they're just as bad as government when it comes to adopting IT.
Why for example should i have to fill in forms AGAIN with name, date of birth, employer etc and provide passport photos, copy of PIN etc etc when opening a second account in the same bank? Absurd.
Banks should let customers transact wholly online. Create accounts, move money between accounts, setup standing orders, pay bills etc. Being forced to go to the banking hall in this day and age for the most basic transactions is too much.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:22 AM, solomon kariri < solomonkariri@gmail.com> wrote:
Well the main issue here is that even the available sites have nothing important about banking. All they have is just information advertising
the
bank and nothing else. The only bank that seems to have a somehow nice though not good enough website is NIC. St least they ssl and online banking stuff in there but not up to the mark. I mean, they should really have nice sites that allow at least internal transaction processing if they dont want to bother with even other local banks. All the info you get from the banks site is their next jubilee and their new offers.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree 100% that banks are doing a disservice to customers by only catering to certain browsers.
But i disagree 100% with the notion that changing operating systems
will
somehow make you immune to phishing. How??! Phishing is not a browser or operating system problem.
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I would be of the opinion that ease of use and security has little to do with the underlying engine. You can write insecure, difficult to use software on anything - php, j2EE, .NET, perl. Ease of use is a direct result of a conscious design effort (use cases, user stories, user monitoring). Security is a result of a combination of factors including design, infrastracture, best practices, security reviews, audit, technology, quality developers and testers and training On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:29 PM, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com>wrote:
Actually I think J2EE is usually applied by most serious secure systems. Most banks (actually all the ones that I know) that support online transaction use j2ee. Another feature u will discover with their sites is simplicity and ease of use http://bankofamerica.com is an example.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Brian Ngure < brian@mystique.boldlygoingnowhere.org> wrote:
Hi Paul,
The Equinox banking system that NIC, Fina Bank, CharterHouse Bank, HFCK, etc use is a Java solution, built on SOA architecture and based upon J2EE technology. Please product specs here: http://www.inntron.com/banksys/neptune.htm
There is no reason to limit use to IE.
Actually I was not refering to this in terms of security it was just an observation. I think that should have gone to a separate thread. But I agree with you in regard to what leads to an easy to use application. But for training, what does that meaning developers and testers training or user training. I think a dream software would be one that requires no training to use effectively. Operating an iphone for example gives a nice example of what good design is. You need not ask how sth is done, it like comes out automagically. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be of the opinion that ease of use and security has little to do with the underlying engine. You can write insecure, difficult to use software on anything - php, j2EE, .NET, perl.
Ease of use is a direct result of a conscious design effort (use cases, user stories, user monitoring). Security is a result of a combination of factors including design, infrastracture, best practices, security reviews, audit, technology, quality developers and testers and training
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:29 PM, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com>wrote:
Actually I think J2EE is usually applied by most serious secure systems. Most banks (actually all the ones that I know) that support online transaction use j2ee. Another feature u will discover with their sites is simplicity and ease of use http://bankofamerica.com is an example.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Brian Ngure < brian@mystique.boldlygoingnowhere.org> wrote:
Hi Paul,
The Equinox banking system that NIC, Fina Bank, CharterHouse Bank, HFCK, etc use is a Java solution, built on SOA architecture and based upon J2EE technology. Please product specs here: http://www.inntron.com/banksys/neptune.htm
There is no reason to limit use to IE.
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The reason the Equinox system used by NIC requires IE is because of some javascript in there that causes issues with other browsers. What I got issues with is the date selector, which you need to use to filter your bank statements. Otherwise some of the site works with other browsers. And yeah, I also agree that the whole insistence of "use this platform, its most secure", is a moot point. It's more of the builder, rather than the tools... On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:49 PM, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com>wrote:
Actually I was not refering to this in terms of security it was just an observation. I think that should have gone to a separate thread. But I agree with you in regard to what leads to an easy to use application. But for training, what does that meaning developers and testers training or user training. I think a dream software would be one that requires no training to use effectively. Operating an iphone for example gives a nice example of what good design is. You need not ask how sth is done, it like comes out automagically.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be of the opinion that ease of use and security has little to do with the underlying engine. You can write insecure, difficult to use software on anything - php, j2EE, .NET, perl.
Ease of use is a direct result of a conscious design effort (use cases, user stories, user monitoring). Security is a result of a combination of factors including design, infrastracture, best practices, security reviews, audit, technology, quality developers and testers and training
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:29 PM, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com>wrote:
Actually I think J2EE is usually applied by most serious secure systems. Most banks (actually all the ones that I know) that support online transaction use j2ee. Another feature u will discover with their sites is simplicity and ease of use http://bankofamerica.com is an example.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Brian Ngure < brian@mystique.boldlygoingnowhere.org> wrote:
Hi Paul,
The Equinox banking system that NIC, Fina Bank, CharterHouse Bank, HFCK, etc use is a Java solution, built on SOA architecture and based upon J2EE technology. Please product specs here: http://www.inntron.com/banksys/neptune.htm
There is no reason to limit use to IE.
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I meant user training. Things like phishing cannot entirely be caught by technology so at some point users have to step in. On another note i've just remembered that we have a number of Kenyan companies writing, I believe, home grown banking software -- off the top of my head Fintech and CraftSilicon. Craft Silicon in particular appear to have an impressive customer portfolio http://www.craftsilicon.com/customers.asp Neptune Software, the guys of equinox, have offices in Nairobi but i'm not sure they do any actual development here. Impressive stuff. Anyone else working on such software? On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:49 PM, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com>wrote:
Actually I was not refering to this in terms of security it was just an observation. I think that should have gone to a separate thread. But I agree with you in regard to what leads to an easy to use application. But for training, what does that meaning developers and testers training or user training. I think a dream software would be one that requires no training to use effectively. Operating an iphone for example gives a nice example of what good design is. You need not ask how sth is done, it like comes out automagically.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be of the opinion that ease of use and security has little to do with the underlying engine. You can write insecure, difficult to use software on anything - php, j2EE, .NET, perl.
Ease of use is a direct result of a conscious design effort (use cases, user stories, user monitoring). Security is a result of a combination of factors including design, infrastracture, best practices, security reviews, audit, technology, quality developers and testers and training
hI pAUL, I work for neptune software which is the owner of the Equinox Ineternet banking system ,it has all those functionalities,you can pay bills,open accounts by sending your details,spool statements,it can be opened in other browsers,it has so many funstionalities..currently running on most of our sites...Security is gud as it is built on J2EE it's superb. Regards Esther On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be of the opinion that ease of use and security has little to do with the underlying engine. You can write insecure, difficult to use software on anything - php, j2EE, .NET, perl.
Ease of use is a direct result of a conscious design effort (use cases, user stories, user monitoring). Security is a result of a combination of factors including design, infrastracture, best practices, security reviews, audit, technology, quality developers and testers and training
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:29 PM, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually I think J2EE is usually applied by most serious secure systems. Most banks (actually all the ones that I know) that support online transaction use j2ee. Another feature u will discover with their sites is simplicity and ease of use http://bankofamerica.com is an example.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@mystique.boldlygoingnowhere.org> wrote:
Hi Paul,
The Equinox banking system that NIC, Fina Bank, CharterHouse Bank, HFCK, etc use is a Java solution, built on SOA architecture and based upon J2EE technology. Please product specs here: http://www.inntron.com/banksys/neptune.htm
There is no reason to limit use to IE.
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Rad, I work for neptune,we have a development office here as well as Nigeria and India.. On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 7:01 AM, wambugu esther <essiekui@gmail.com> wrote:
hI pAUL, I work for neptune software which is the owner of the Equinox Ineternet banking system ,it has all those functionalities,you can pay bills,open accounts by sending your details,spool statements,it can be opened in other browsers,it has so many funstionalities..currently running on most of our sites...Security is gud as it is built on J2EE it's superb. Regards Esther
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be of the opinion that ease of use and security has little to do with the underlying engine. You can write insecure, difficult to use software on anything - php, j2EE, .NET, perl.
Ease of use is a direct result of a conscious design effort (use cases, user stories, user monitoring). Security is a result of a combination of factors including design, infrastracture, best practices, security reviews, audit, technology, quality developers and testers and training
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:29 PM, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually I think J2EE is usually applied by most serious secure systems. Most banks (actually all the ones that I know) that support online transaction use j2ee. Another feature u will discover with their sites is simplicity and ease of use http://bankofamerica.com is an example.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@mystique.boldlygoingnowhere.org> wrote:
Hi Paul,
The Equinox banking system that NIC, Fina Bank, CharterHouse Bank, HFCK, etc use is a Java solution, built on SOA architecture and based upon J2EE technology. Please product specs here: http://www.inntron.com/banksys/neptune.htm
There is no reason to limit use to IE.
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Hi Esther, If you can use other browsers, why is this code on the start/login page for NIC? if ((browserName == 'Netscape' && browserVer >= 3) || (browserName == 'Microsoft Internet Explorer' && browserVer >= 4)) version = 'good'; else version = 'bad'; On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 5:01 PM, wambugu esther <essiekui@gmail.com> wrote:
hI pAUL, I work for neptune software which is the owner of the Equinox Ineternet banking system ,it has all those functionalities,you can pay bills,open accounts by sending your details,spool statements,it can be opened in other browsers,it has so many funstionalities..currently running on most of our sites...Security is gud as it is built on J2EE it's superb. Regards Esther
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 6:37 AM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be of the opinion that ease of use and security has little to do with the underlying engine. You can write insecure, difficult to use software on anything - php, j2EE, .NET, perl.
Ease of use is a direct result of a conscious design effort (use cases, user stories, user monitoring). Security is a result of a combination of factors including design, infrastracture, best practices, security reviews, audit, technology, quality developers and testers and training
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:29 PM, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually I think J2EE is usually applied by most serious secure systems. Most banks (actually all the ones that I know) that support online transaction use j2ee. Another feature u will discover with their sites is simplicity and ease of use http://bankofamerica.com is an example.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Brian Ngure <brian@mystique.boldlygoingnowhere.org> wrote:
Hi Paul,
The Equinox banking system that NIC, Fina Bank, CharterHouse Bank, HFCK, etc use is a Java solution, built on SOA architecture and based upon J2EE technology. Please product specs here: http://www.inntron.com/banksys/neptune.htm
There is no reason to limit use to IE.
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Brian, CitiDirect works with Safari on Mac. Barclays only I.E - have 2 use Parallels. Exercise your right and change banks :-) -----Original Message----- From: Brian Ngure <brian@mystique.boldlygoingnowhere.org> Reply-to: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> To: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: [Skunkworks] Windows and Internet Banking Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:58:02 +0300 Me thinks Kenyan banks should read this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=5813&tag=nl.e550 I am yet to find a Kenyan Internet banking site that is fully accessible from any other browser except Internet Explorer. Banks don't seem to realize that there are other operating system out there aside from MS Windows. Anyone on this list had any issues with Internet banking sites and Mozilla or Safari? -- Regards, Joe Linux User: #361092 SIP: joe.njeru@ekiga.net
Joe, My point is I should not have to change banks. What happened to "the customer is always right" and "what the customer wants, the customer gets"? On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Joe Murithi Njeru <joe.njeru@gmail.com> wrote:
Brian,
CitiDirect works with Safari on Mac. Barclays only I.E - have 2 use Parallels.
Exercise your right and change banks :-)
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Ngure <brian@mystique.boldlygoingnowhere.org> Reply-to: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> To: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: [Skunkworks] Windows and Internet Banking Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:58:02 +0300
Me thinks Kenyan banks should read this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=5813&tag=nl.e550
I am yet to find a Kenyan Internet banking site that is fully accessible from any other browser except Internet Explorer. Banks don't seem to realize that there are other operating system out there aside from MS Windows. Anyone on this list had any issues with Internet banking sites and Mozilla or Safari?
-- Regards,
Joe Linux User: #361092 SIP: joe.njeru@ekiga.net
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Brian, Look its all about you. If you wanna waste airtime and sending emails to make them accommodate your 'flock','camino','iCab'& 'Galeon' browsers .. fine go ahead and do so. I support u 100%! If you wanna get moving ASAP, shop around. I support that too cause they start asking themselves why are we losing customers? Win Win. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Ngure <brian@mystique.boldlygoingnowhere.org> To: joe.njeru@gmail.com, Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Windows and Internet Banking Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:24:21 +0300 Joe, My point is I should not have to change banks. What happened to "the customer is always right" and "what the customer wants, the customer gets"? On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Joe Murithi Njeru <joe.njeru@gmail.com> wrote:
Brian,
CitiDirect works with Safari on Mac. Barclays only I.E - have 2 use Parallels.
Exercise your right and change banks :-)
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Ngure <brian@mystique.boldlygoingnowhere.org> Reply-to: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> To: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: [Skunkworks] Windows and Internet Banking Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:58:02 +0300
Me thinks Kenyan banks should read this article: http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=5813&tag=nl.e550
I am yet to find a Kenyan Internet banking site that is fully accessible from any other browser except Internet Explorer. Banks don't seem to realize that there are other operating system out there aside from MS Windows. Anyone on this list had any issues with Internet banking sites and Mozilla or Safari?
-- Regards,
Joe Linux User: #361092 SIP: joe.njeru@ekiga.net
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