If you want to get rich off of ICT in Kenya...
You must: 1. Target broad niches - Hypertargeting will not work for Africa. The rewards are too small. 2. At the very least, have a business that will scale regionally - Kenya's 40 million people will never put you in the Silicon Valley league, but East Africa's 142 million people could. That is all I have to say.
are you rich off this strategy? On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Webmaster <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com>wrote:
** You must:
1. Target broad niches - Hypertargeting will not work for Africa. The rewards are too small. 2. At the very least, have a business that will scale regionally - Kenya's 40 million people will never put you in the Silicon Valley league, but East Africa's 142 million people could.
That is all I have to say.
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On 6/28/2011 10:00 PM, Mark Mwangi wrote:
are you rich off this strategy?
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Webmaster <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com <mailto:webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com>> wrote:
You must:
1. Target broad niches - Hypertargeting will not work for Africa. The rewards are too small. 2. At the very least, have a business that will scale regionally - Kenya's 40 million people will never put you in the Silicon Valley league, but East Africa's 142 million people could.
That is all I have to say.
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I believe you can never get rich off ICT in Kenya unless you get dubious tenders to supply computers at 20k when you buy them at 30k and even fail to supply and pocket the money. And I decided to be rich so am leaving IT :-) ./Ok3ch On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Webmaster <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote:
On 6/28/2011 10:00 PM, Mark Mwangi wrote:
are you rich off this strategy?
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Webmaster <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote:
You must:
1. Target broad niches - Hypertargeting will not work for Africa. The rewards are too small. 2. At the very least, have a business that will scale regionally - Kenya's 40 million people will never put you in the Silicon Valley league, but East Africa's 142 million people could.
That is all I have to say.
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No, but I am definitely implementing this strategy. I am in the process of pivoting from KenyanLyrics.com to something broader.
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I think it depends on your target market and your definition of rich. If my definition of rich is the ability to buy a new $3499 Area-51 ALX PC every month, then a number of ICT techies are indeed rich. You mean to tell me that the nice folks over @ SevenSeas, CraftSilicon, AT etc are not rich? One common trend I have noticed with these top firms is that they target the top end of the market, not the common mwananchi or SME. On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe you can never get rich off ICT in Kenya unless you get dubious tenders to supply computers at 20k when you buy them at 30k and even fail to supply and pocket the money. And I decided to be rich so am leaving IT :-)
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Webmaster <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote:
On 6/28/2011 10:00 PM, Mark Mwangi wrote:
are you rich off this strategy?
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Webmaster <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote:
You must:
1. Target broad niches - Hypertargeting will not work for Africa. The rewards are too small. 2. At the very least, have a business that will scale regionally -
Kenya's
40 million people will never put you in the Silicon Valley league, but East Africa's 142 million people could.
That is all I have to say.
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No, but I am definitely implementing this strategy. I am in the process of pivoting from KenyanLyrics.com to something broader.
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@Peter - dubious tenders and contracts mean anything to you? ./Ok3ch On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it depends on your target market and your definition of rich.
If my definition of rich is the ability to buy a new $3499 Area-51 ALX PC every month, then a number of ICT techies are indeed rich. You mean to tell me that the nice folks over @ SevenSeas, CraftSilicon, AT etc are not rich?
One common trend I have noticed with these top firms is that they target the top end of the market, not the common mwananchi or SME.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe you can never get rich off ICT in Kenya unless you get dubious tenders to supply computers at 20k when you buy them at 30k and even fail to supply and pocket the money. And I decided to be rich so am leaving IT :-)
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Webmaster <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote:
On 6/28/2011 10:00 PM, Mark Mwangi wrote:
are you rich off this strategy?
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Webmaster <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote:
You must:
1. Target broad niches - Hypertargeting will not work for Africa. The rewards are too small. 2. At the very least, have a business that will scale regionally - Kenya's 40 million people will never put you in the Silicon Valley league, but East Africa's 142 million people could.
That is all I have to say.
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No, but I am definitely implementing this strategy. I am in the process of pivoting from KenyanLyrics.com to something broader.
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Well, I am under the assumption that dubious tenders and contracts thrive in the public sector, but are less in the private sector. Or maybe you could clarify a bit more? Funny coincidence that my examples are all service oriented companies... On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Peter - dubious tenders and contracts mean anything to you?
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it depends on your target market and your definition of rich.
If my definition of rich is the ability to buy a new $3499 Area-51 ALX PC every month, then a number of ICT techies are indeed rich. You mean to tell me that the nice folks over @ SevenSeas, CraftSilicon, AT etc are not rich?
One common trend I have noticed with these top firms is that they target the top end of the market, not the common mwananchi or SME.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe you can never get rich off ICT in Kenya unless you get dubious tenders to supply computers at 20k when you buy them at 30k and even fail to supply and pocket the money. And I decided to be rich so am leaving IT :-)
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Webmaster <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com
wrote:
On 6/28/2011 10:00 PM, Mark Mwangi wrote:
are you rich off this strategy?
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Webmaster < webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote:
You must:
1. Target broad niches - Hypertargeting will not work for Africa. The rewards are too small. 2. At the very least, have a business that will scale regionally - Kenya's 40 million people will never put you in the Silicon Valley league,
but
East Africa's 142 million people could.
That is all I have to say.
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No, but I am definitely implementing this strategy. I am in the process of pivoting from KenyanLyrics.com to something broader.
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For example, when Kenya Power has a contract of supply of 10,000 computers, and a private company gets the contract and supplies only 500 computers and makes money out of not supplying 9,500 computers and since he's 'connected' no questions asked - private sector it is! ./Ok3ch On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, I am under the assumption that dubious tenders and contracts thrive in the public sector, but are less in the private sector. Or maybe you could clarify a bit more?
Funny coincidence that my examples are all service oriented companies...
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Peter - dubious tenders and contracts mean anything to you?
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it depends on your target market and your definition of rich.
If my definition of rich is the ability to buy a new $3499 Area-51 ALX PC every month, then a number of ICT techies are indeed rich. You mean to tell me that the nice folks over @ SevenSeas, CraftSilicon, AT etc are not rich?
One common trend I have noticed with these top firms is that they target the top end of the market, not the common mwananchi or SME.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe you can never get rich off ICT in Kenya unless you get dubious tenders to supply computers at 20k when you buy them at 30k and even fail to supply and pocket the money. And I decided to be rich so am leaving IT :-)
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Webmaster <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote:
On 6/28/2011 10:00 PM, Mark Mwangi wrote:
are you rich off this strategy?
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Webmaster <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote:
You must:
1. Target broad niches - Hypertargeting will not work for Africa. The rewards are too small. 2. At the very least, have a business that will scale regionally - Kenya's 40 million people will never put you in the Silicon Valley league, but East Africa's 142 million people could.
That is all I have to say.
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No, but I am definitely implementing this strategy. I am in the process of pivoting from KenyanLyrics.com to something broader.
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"*One common trend I have noticed with these top firms is that they target the top end of the market, not the common mwananchi or SME*." Reminds me of a time not long ago when Barclays and other banks closed branches in areas not considered "top end" enough. Gave rise to Equity, Family bank etc. It was philosopher and poet, Georges Santayana, who said "*those who do not study history* are doomed to repeat it. On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it depends on your target market and your definition of rich.
If my definition of rich is the ability to buy a new $3499 Area-51 ALX PC every month, then a number of ICT techies are indeed rich. You mean to tell me that the nice folks over @ SevenSeas, CraftSilicon, AT etc are not rich?
One common trend I have noticed with these top firms is that they target the top end of the market, not the common mwananchi or SME.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe you can never get rich off ICT in Kenya unless you get dubious tenders to supply computers at 20k when you buy them at 30k and even fail to supply and pocket the money. And I decided to be rich so am leaving IT :-)
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Webmaster <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote:
On 6/28/2011 10:00 PM, Mark Mwangi wrote:
are you rich off this strategy?
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Webmaster <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote:
You must:
1. Target broad niches - Hypertargeting will not work for Africa. The rewards are too small. 2. At the very least, have a business that will scale regionally -
Kenya's
40 million people will never put you in the Silicon Valley league, but East Africa's 142 million people could.
That is all I have to say.
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No, but I am definitely implementing this strategy. I am in the process of pivoting from KenyanLyrics.com to something broader.
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Just get a product that Kenyans will give you 10 bob a day. Assuming half of the 40 million feel good enough about the product to continue supporting it and have the philanthropy. Then as webmaster says, go on and target EA and beyond. Imagine how much money the betting companies are making. Just reduce the cost to rope in more people and then employ a skunk to run your simple office network. /Bonz On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Peter Muchemi <pmuchemi@gmail.com> wrote:
"*One common trend I have noticed with these top firms is that they target the top end of the market, not the common mwananchi or SME*."
Reminds me of a time not long ago when Barclays and other banks closed branches in areas not considered "top end" enough.
Gave rise to Equity, Family bank etc.
It was philosopher and poet, Georges Santayana, who said "*those who do not study history* are doomed to repeat it.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it depends on your target market and your definition of rich.
If my definition of rich is the ability to buy a new $3499 Area-51 ALX PC every month, then a number of ICT techies are indeed rich. You mean to tell me that the nice folks over @ SevenSeas, CraftSilicon, AT etc are not rich?
One common trend I have noticed with these top firms is that they target the top end of the market, not the common mwananchi or SME.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe you can never get rich off ICT in Kenya unless you get dubious tenders to supply computers at 20k when you buy them at 30k and even fail to supply and pocket the money. And I decided to be rich so am leaving IT :-)
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Webmaster <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote:
On 6/28/2011 10:00 PM, Mark Mwangi wrote:
are you rich off this strategy?
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Webmaster <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com
wrote:
You must:
1. Target broad niches - Hypertargeting will not work for Africa. The rewards are too small. 2. At the very least, have a business that will scale regionally -
Kenya's
40 million people will never put you in the Silicon Valley league, but East Africa's 142 million people could.
That is all I have to say.
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No, but I am definitely implementing this strategy. I am in the process of pivoting from KenyanLyrics.com to something broader.
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You can get rich if you build your product well and target non corrupt fellows... I agree, there are some who are corrupt, but there are several, especially in the SME space, who just want their SLA's met... It takes time to grow business, but it's more sustainable... On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Boniface <mboteb@gmail.com> wrote:
Just get a product that Kenyans will give you 10 bob a day. Assuming half of the 40 million feel good enough about the product to continue supporting it and have the philanthropy. Then as webmaster says, go on and target EA and beyond. Imagine how much money the betting companies are making. Just reduce the cost to rope in more people and then employ a skunk to run your simple office network.
/Bonz
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Peter Muchemi <pmuchemi@gmail.com>wrote:
"*One common trend I have noticed with these top firms is that they target the top end of the market, not the common mwananchi or SME*."
Reminds me of a time not long ago when Barclays and other banks closed branches in areas not considered "top end" enough.
Gave rise to Equity, Family bank etc.
It was philosopher and poet, Georges Santayana, who said "*those who do not study history* are doomed to repeat it.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
I think it depends on your target market and your definition of rich.
If my definition of rich is the ability to buy a new $3499 Area-51 ALX PC every month, then a number of ICT techies are indeed rich. You mean to tell me that the nice folks over @ SevenSeas, CraftSilicon, AT etc are not rich?
One common trend I have noticed with these top firms is that they target the top end of the market, not the common mwananchi or SME.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe you can never get rich off ICT in Kenya unless you get dubious tenders to supply computers at 20k when you buy them at 30k and even fail to supply and pocket the money. And I decided to be rich so am leaving IT :-)
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Webmaster <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote:
On 6/28/2011 10:00 PM, Mark Mwangi wrote:
are you rich off this strategy?
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Webmaster < webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote:
You must:
1. Target broad niches - Hypertargeting will not work for Africa. The rewards are too small. 2. At the very least, have a business that will scale regionally -
Kenya's
40 million people will never put you in the Silicon Valley league, but East Africa's 142 million people could.
That is all I have to say.
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No, but I am definitely implementing this strategy. I am in the process of pivoting from KenyanLyrics.com to something broader.
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Maybe, we need to define rich in this context. I personally think you can become successful in ICT in Kenya today, but rich, I don't think so. ./Ok3ch On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
You can get rich if you build your product well and target non corrupt fellows...
I agree, there are some who are corrupt, but there are several, especially in the SME space, who just want their SLA's met... It takes time to grow business, but it's more sustainable... On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Boniface <mboteb@gmail.com> wrote:
Just get a product that Kenyans will give you 10 bob a day. Assuming half of the 40 million feel good enough about the product to continue supporting it and have the philanthropy. Then as webmaster says, go on and target EA and beyond. Imagine how much money the betting companies are making. Just reduce the cost to rope in more people and then employ a skunk to run your simple office network.
/Bonz
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Peter Muchemi <pmuchemi@gmail.com> wrote:
"One common trend I have noticed with these top firms is that they target the top end of the market, not the common mwananchi or SME."
Reminds me of a time not long ago when Barclays and other banks closed branches in areas not considered "top end" enough.
Gave rise to Equity, Family bank etc.
It was philosopher and poet, Georges Santayana, who said "those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it depends on your target market and your definition of rich.
If my definition of rich is the ability to buy a new $3499 Area-51 ALX PC every month, then a number of ICT techies are indeed rich. You mean to tell me that the nice folks over @ SevenSeas, CraftSilicon, AT etc are not rich?
One common trend I have noticed with these top firms is that they target the top end of the market, not the common mwananchi or SME.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe you can never get rich off ICT in Kenya unless you get dubious tenders to supply computers at 20k when you buy them at 30k and even fail to supply and pocket the money. And I decided to be rich so am leaving IT :-)
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Webmaster <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote:
On 6/28/2011 10:00 PM, Mark Mwangi wrote:
are you rich off this strategy?
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Webmaster <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote: > > You must: > > 1. Target broad niches - Hypertargeting will not work for Africa. > The > rewards are too small. > 2. At the very least, have a business that will scale regionally - > Kenya's > 40 million people will never put you in the Silicon Valley league, > but East > Africa's 142 million people could. > > That is all I have to say. > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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No, but I am definitely implementing this strategy. I am in the process of pivoting from KenyanLyrics.com to something broader.
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I'd say if your company grosses in excess of 1M USD (90M KES)? On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe, we need to define rich in this context. I personally think you can become successful in ICT in Kenya today, but rich, I don't think so.
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
You can get rich if you build your product well and target non corrupt fellows...
I agree, there are some who are corrupt, but there are several, especially in the SME space, who just want their SLA's met... It takes time to grow business, but it's more sustainable... On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Boniface <mboteb@gmail.com> wrote:
Just get a product that Kenyans will give you 10 bob a day. Assuming
half
of the 40 million feel good enough about the product to continue supporting it and have the philanthropy. Then as webmaster says, go on and target EA and beyond. Imagine how much money the betting companies are making. Just reduce the cost to rope in more people and then employ a skunk to run your simple office network.
/Bonz
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Peter Muchemi <pmuchemi@gmail.com> wrote:
"One common trend I have noticed with these top firms is that they
target
the top end of the market, not the common mwananchi or SME."
Reminds me of a time not long ago when Barclays and other banks closed branches in areas not considered "top end" enough.
Gave rise to Equity, Family bank etc.
It was philosopher and poet, Georges Santayana, who said "those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it depends on your target market and your definition of rich.
If my definition of rich is the ability to buy a new $3499 Area-51 ALX PC every month, then a number of ICT techies are indeed rich. You mean
to
tell me that the nice folks over @ SevenSeas, CraftSilicon, AT etc are not rich?
One common trend I have noticed with these top firms is that they target the top end of the market, not the common mwananchi or SME.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe you can never get rich off ICT in Kenya unless you get dubious tenders to supply computers at 20k when you buy them at 30k and even fail to supply and pocket the money. And I decided to be
rich
so am leaving IT :-)
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Webmaster <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote: > On 6/28/2011 10:00 PM, Mark Mwangi wrote: > > are you rich off this strategy? > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Webmaster > <webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> > wrote: >> >> You must: >> >> 1. Target broad niches - Hypertargeting will not work for Africa. >> The >> rewards are too small. >> 2. At the very least, have a business that will scale regionally - >> Kenya's >> 40 million people will never put you in the Silicon Valley league, >> but East >> Africa's 142 million people could. >> >> That is all I have to say. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > -- > Regards, > > Mark Mwangi > > http://mwangy.posterous.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > No, but I am definitely implementing this strategy. I am in the > process of > pivoting from KenyanLyrics.com to something broader. > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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Totally agree with Phares. An advice kenyan young entrepreneurs miss is first seek adding value to your clients and the dollars will definately flow, not the other way round. The later is what is called "putting the cart before the horse" On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
You can get rich if you build your product well and target non corrupt fellows...
I agree, there are some who are corrupt, but there are several, especially in the SME space, who just want their SLA's met... It takes time to grow business, but it's more sustainable... On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Boniface <mboteb@gmail.com> wrote:
Just get a product that Kenyans will give you 10 bob a day. Assuming half of the 40 million feel good enough about the product to continue supporting it and have the philanthropy. Then as webmaster says, go on and target EA and beyond. Imagine how much money the betting companies are making. Just reduce the cost to rope in more people and then employ a skunk to run your simple office network.
/Bonz
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Peter Muchemi <pmuchemi@gmail.com>wrote:
"*One common trend I have noticed with these top firms is that they target the top end of the market, not the common mwananchi or SME*."
Reminds me of a time not long ago when Barclays and other banks closed branches in areas not considered "top end" enough.
Gave rise to Equity, Family bank etc.
It was philosopher and poet, Georges Santayana, who said "*those who do not study history* are doomed to repeat it.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
I think it depends on your target market and your definition of rich.
If my definition of rich is the ability to buy a new $3499 Area-51 ALX PC every month, then a number of ICT techies are indeed rich. You mean to tell me that the nice folks over @ SevenSeas, CraftSilicon, AT etc are not rich?
One common trend I have noticed with these top firms is that they target the top end of the market, not the common mwananchi or SME.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe you can never get rich off ICT in Kenya unless you get dubious tenders to supply computers at 20k when you buy them at 30k and even fail to supply and pocket the money. And I decided to be rich so am leaving IT :-)
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Webmaster < webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote:
On 6/28/2011 10:00 PM, Mark Mwangi wrote:
are you rich off this strategy?
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Webmaster < webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote: > > You must: > > 1. Target broad niches - Hypertargeting will not work for Africa. The > rewards are too small. > 2. At the very least, have a business that will scale regionally - Kenya's > 40 million people will never put you in the Silicon Valley league, but East > Africa's 142 million people could. > > That is all I have to say. > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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No, but I am definitely implementing this strategy. I am in the process of pivoting from KenyanLyrics.com to something broader.
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Perhaps what's needed is a transparency portal? Where you can list companies that do their business well? So you know to keep off the corrupt fellows? On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Peter Muchemi <pmuchemi@gmail.com> wrote:
Totally agree with Phares.
An advice kenyan young entrepreneurs miss is first seek adding value to your clients and the dollars will definately flow, not the other way round. The later is what is called "putting the cart before the horse"
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:49 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
You can get rich if you build your product well and target non corrupt fellows...
I agree, there are some who are corrupt, but there are several, especially in the SME space, who just want their SLA's met... It takes time to grow business, but it's more sustainable... On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Boniface <mboteb@gmail.com> wrote:
Just get a product that Kenyans will give you 10 bob a day. Assuming half of the 40 million feel good enough about the product to continue supporting it and have the philanthropy. Then as webmaster says, go on and target EA and beyond. Imagine how much money the betting companies are making. Just reduce the cost to rope in more people and then employ a skunk to run your simple office network.
/Bonz
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Peter Muchemi <pmuchemi@gmail.com>wrote:
"*One common trend I have noticed with these top firms is that they target the top end of the market, not the common mwananchi or SME*."
Reminds me of a time not long ago when Barclays and other banks closed branches in areas not considered "top end" enough.
Gave rise to Equity, Family bank etc.
It was philosopher and poet, Georges Santayana, who said "*those who do not study history* are doomed to repeat it.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:45 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
I think it depends on your target market and your definition of rich.
If my definition of rich is the ability to buy a new $3499 Area-51 ALX PC every month, then a number of ICT techies are indeed rich. You mean to tell me that the nice folks over @ SevenSeas, CraftSilicon, AT etc are not rich?
One common trend I have noticed with these top firms is that they target the top end of the market, not the common mwananchi or SME.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>wrote:
I believe you can never get rich off ICT in Kenya unless you get dubious tenders to supply computers at 20k when you buy them at 30k and even fail to supply and pocket the money. And I decided to be rich so am leaving IT :-)
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Webmaster < webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> wrote: > On 6/28/2011 10:00 PM, Mark Mwangi wrote: > > are you rich off this strategy? > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Webmaster < webmaster@kenyanlyrics.com> > wrote: >> >> You must: >> >> 1. Target broad niches - Hypertargeting will not work for Africa. The >> rewards are too small. >> 2. At the very least, have a business that will scale regionally - Kenya's >> 40 million people will never put you in the Silicon Valley league, but East >> Africa's 142 million people could. >> >> That is all I have to say. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > -- > Regards, > > Mark Mwangi > > http://mwangy.posterous.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > No, but I am definitely implementing this strategy. I am in the process of > pivoting from KenyanLyrics.com to something broader. > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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Very well said Phares. I'm sure this group has enough of us looking forward to this kind of portal - the standards will definately save people money and make the market style up. Why don't you start this as an initiative. I've seen campaigns against malpractices - but this one will hit the necessary spots. -- Regards, Mike Muraguri Skype: mickie.mic M: + 254 722 799445
Nice put - and the portal can't exist without all our input - maybe start a new thread and let all contribute and give testimonials, I sure will try to do the same. ./Ok3ch On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 7:26 PM, Mike Muraguri <mickie.mic@gmail.com> wrote:
Very well said Phares. I'm sure this group has enough of us looking forward to this kind of portal - the standards will definately save people money and make the market style up. Why don't you start this as an initiative. I've seen campaigns against malpractices - but this one will hit the necessary spots. -- Regards, Mike Muraguri Skype: mickie.mic M: + 254 722 799445 _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
There is http://www.startupindex.co.ke/ where we were invited to register our start-up business and which I personally did. I did not know what the real agenda for the site was, but if possible such a site can be expanded to include rating of the registered businesses as far as customer satisfaction is concerned. My thoughts. -- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home On 29 June 2011 19:26, Mike Muraguri <mickie.mic@gmail.com> wrote:
Very well said Phares. I'm sure this group has enough of us looking forward to this kind of portal - the standards will definately save people money and make the market style up.
Why don't you start this as an initiative. I've seen campaigns against malpractices - but this one will hit the necessary spots. -- Regards, Mike Muraguri Skype: mickie.mic M: + 254 722 799445
Jay Bhalla (lurking on the list) created the site... It's one of the purposes in the longer term... I'm guessing we can add a feature for supplier tracking... On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <ngugi@mafundi.co.ke> wrote:
There is http://www.startupindex.co.ke/ where we were invited to register our start-up business and which I personally did. I did not know what the real agenda for the site was, but if possible such a site can be expanded to include rating of the registered businesses as far as customer satisfaction is concerned.
My thoughts.
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
On 29 June 2011 19:26, Mike Muraguri <mickie.mic@gmail.com> wrote:
Very well said Phares. I'm sure this group has enough of us looking forward to this kind of portal - the standards will definately save people money and make the market style up.
Why don't you start this as an initiative. I've seen campaigns against malpractices - but this one will hit the necessary spots. -- Regards, Mike Muraguri Skype: mickie.mic M: + 254 722 799445
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and another feature for the tax man tracking... On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Jay Bhalla (lurking on the list) created the site... It's one of the purposes in the longer term... I'm guessing we can add a feature for supplier tracking...
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <ngugi@mafundi.co.ke>wrote:
There is http://www.startupindex.co.ke/ where we were invited to register our start-up business and which I personally did. I did not know what the real agenda for the site was, but if possible such a site can be expanded to include rating of the registered businesses as far as customer satisfaction is concerned.
My thoughts.
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
On 29 June 2011 19:26, Mike Muraguri <mickie.mic@gmail.com> wrote:
Very well said Phares. I'm sure this group has enough of us looking forward to this kind of portal - the standards will definately save people money and make the market style up.
Why don't you start this as an initiative. I've seen campaigns against malpractices - but this one will hit the necessary spots. -- Regards, Mike Muraguri Skype: mickie.mic M: + 254 722 799445
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I totally disagree with the initial hypothesis of this thread You can even microtarget in kenya, nairobi and dare I say even buru buru alone. If you have an app that targets 1000 subscribers who pay you 500 bob a month , how much is that? Dont bother going east africa if you havent even conquered your backyard. Kenyans are just too lazy to create value, people want quick riches hence the corruption movement. On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Mike M. <mmycool@gmail.com> wrote:
and another feature for the tax man tracking...
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
Jay Bhalla (lurking on the list) created the site... It's one of the purposes in the longer term... I'm guessing we can add a feature for supplier tracking...
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <ngugi@mafundi.co.ke>wrote:
There is http://www.startupindex.co.ke/ where we were invited to register our start-up business and which I personally did. I did not know what the real agenda for the site was, but if possible such a site can be expanded to include rating of the registered businesses as far as customer satisfaction is concerned.
My thoughts.
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
On 29 June 2011 19:26, Mike Muraguri <mickie.mic@gmail.com> wrote:
Very well said Phares. I'm sure this group has enough of us looking forward to this kind of portal - the standards will definately save people money and make the market style up.
Why don't you start this as an initiative. I've seen campaigns against malpractices - but this one will hit the necessary spots. -- Regards, Mike Muraguri Skype: mickie.mic M: + 254 722 799445
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On 7/1/2011 1:26 PM, Joram Mwinamo wrote:
I totally disagree with the initial hypothesis of this thread
You can even microtarget in kenya, nairobi and dare I say even buru buru alone. If you have an app that targets 1000 subscribers who pay you 500 bob a month , how much is that?
Dont bother going east africa if you havent even conquered your backyard. Kenyans are just too lazy to create value, people want quick riches hence the corruption movement.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Mike M. <mmycool@gmail.com <mailto:mmycool@gmail.com>> wrote:
and another feature for the tax man tracking...
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com <mailto:pkariuki@gmail.com>> wrote:
Jay Bhalla (lurking on the list) created the site... It's one of the purposes in the longer term... I'm guessing we can add a feature for supplier tracking...
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <ngugi@mafundi.co.ke <mailto:ngugi@mafundi.co.ke>> wrote:
There is http://www.startupindex.co.ke/ where we were invited to register our start-up business and which I personally did. I did not know what the real agenda for the site was, but if possible such a site can be expanded to include rating of the registered businesses as far as customer satisfaction is concerned.
My thoughts.
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
On 29 June 2011 19:26, Mike Muraguri <mickie.mic@gmail.com <mailto:mickie.mic@gmail.com>> wrote:
Very well said Phares. I'm sure this group has enough of us looking forward to this kind of portal - the standards will definately save people money and make the market style up.
Why don't you start this as an initiative. I've seen campaigns against malpractices - but this one will hit the necessary spots. -- Regards, Mike Muraguri Skype: mickie.mic M: + 254 722 799445
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-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Of course you'd have to conquer Kenya first. Launch a .co.ke first, then expand to the rest of East Africa. Second, if there's anyone between the two of us who is looking for quick money, it's you. You're talking about a whole company making a paltry 500, 000 a month off of 1000 clients in Buruburu, I'm talking about a tactic that can see you make a billion shilling exit... Hmmm...
@Joram, I am looking that the list of things i pay 500 or more for per month and all of them seem like necessities, rent, water, stima, fare/fuel. but then i guess thats where innovation comes in, some brilliant techie makes that awesome 'thing' which i gotta keep paying for over and over again, something i cant do without... On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
I totally disagree with the initial hypothesis of this thread
You can even microtarget in kenya, nairobi and dare I say even buru buru alone. If you have an app that targets 1000 subscribers who pay you 500 bob a month , how much is that?
Dont bother going east africa if you havent even conquered your backyard. Kenyans are just too lazy to create value, people want quick riches hence the corruption movement.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Mike M. <mmycool@gmail.com> wrote:
and another feature for the tax man tracking...
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
Jay Bhalla (lurking on the list) created the site... It's one of the purposes in the longer term... I'm guessing we can add a feature for supplier tracking...
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <ngugi@mafundi.co.ke>wrote:
There is http://www.startupindex.co.ke/ where we were invited to register our start-up business and which I personally did. I did not know what the real agenda for the site was, but if possible such a site can be expanded to include rating of the registered businesses as far as customer satisfaction is concerned.
My thoughts.
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
On 29 June 2011 19:26, Mike Muraguri <mickie.mic@gmail.com> wrote:
Very well said Phares. I'm sure this group has enough of us looking forward to this kind of portal - the standards will definately save people money and make the market style up.
Why don't you start this as an initiative. I've seen campaigns against malpractices - but this one will hit the necessary spots. -- Regards, Mike Muraguri Skype: mickie.mic M: + 254 722 799445
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I've been reading The Facebook Effect<http://www.facebook.com/thefacebookeffect>, and a few things stand out: - No quick cash mentality. Money was not their primary motivation. Zuckerberg wanted 'a more open society'. Probably still isn't. If it was, they would have sold out ages ago. - They worked really really hard. - Having the 'conditions' right and taking advantage of them. Time, Network, Market, Skills etc - Learning from the mistakes of others - apparently friendster.com was such a hit initially that its servers ground to a halt... I agree with Joram we need to create value. e.g a product not just a program (or website) -- Josiah Mugambi On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joram, I am looking that the list of things i pay 500 or more for per month and all of them seem like necessities, rent, water, stima, fare/fuel.
but then i guess thats where innovation comes in, some brilliant techie makes that awesome 'thing' which i gotta keep paying for over and over again, something i cant do without...
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
I totally disagree with the initial hypothesis of this thread
You can even microtarget in kenya, nairobi and dare I say even buru buru alone. If you have an app that targets 1000 subscribers who pay you 500 bob a month , how much is that?
Dont bother going east africa if you havent even conquered your backyard. Kenyans are just too lazy to create value, people want quick riches hence the corruption movement.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Mike M. <mmycool@gmail.com> wrote:
and another feature for the tax man tracking...
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
Jay Bhalla (lurking on the list) created the site... It's one of the purposes in the longer term... I'm guessing we can add a feature for supplier tracking...
On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <ngugi@mafundi.co.ke>wrote:
There is http://www.startupindex.co.ke/ where we were invited to register our start-up business and which I personally did. I did not know what the real agenda for the site was, but if possible such a site can be expanded to include rating of the registered businesses as far as customer satisfaction is concerned.
My thoughts.
-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
On 29 June 2011 19:26, Mike Muraguri <mickie.mic@gmail.com> wrote:
Very well said Phares. I'm sure this group has enough of us looking forward to this kind of portal - the standards will definately save people money and make the market style up.
Why don't you start this as an initiative. I've seen campaigns against malpractices - but this one will hit the necessary spots. -- Regards, Mike Muraguri Skype: mickie.mic M: + 254 722 799445
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-- With Regards,
Phares Kariuki
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