Going by yesterday's Daily Nation article and this email here, things are thickkk!! http://www.techmtaa.com/2012/06/05/email-from-an-angry-former-kdn-senior-sta...
I suppose they will style up. All the feedback they used to get about their pathetic services and simply ignore have now come back to haunt them. I hear the outfit is now like a Mini South Africa, which leaves me wondering - how much %age of the work force is a foreign investors allowed to bring from outside the country? Replacing Kenyans with South Africans I suppose may or may not solve the problems KDN faces. Problems are normally embedded with management practices/styles. It gets to a point when staff members simply don't care anymore. Someone correct me. On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com>wrote:
Going by yesterday's Daily Nation article and this email here, things are thickkk!!
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he he he... Organizational politiks. On a serious note; was a consumer of their crap services until March; less than 1km away n they couldn't serve me!! Have moved on n wont be looking back any time soon.. Mugo. On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
I suppose they will style up. All the feedback they used to get about their pathetic services and simply ignore have now come back to haunt them. I hear the outfit is now like a Mini South Africa, which leaves me wondering - how much %age of the work force is a foreign investors allowed to bring from outside the country? Replacing Kenyans with South Africans I suppose may or may not solve the problems KDN faces. Problems are normally embedded with management practices/styles. It gets to a point when staff members simply don't care anymore. Someone correct me.
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com>wrote:
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Mugo, Whose service are you using now? I'm currently their client and they are letting me down big time lately. ./Ken On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:36 AM, m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com> wrote:
he he he... Organizational politiks.
On a serious note; was a consumer of their crap services until March; less than 1km away n they couldn't serve me!!
Have moved on n wont be looking back any time soon..
Mugo.Mud
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
I suppose they will style up. All the feedback they used to get about their pathetic services and simply ignore have now come back to haunt them. I hear the outfit is now like a Mini South Africa, which leaves me wondering - how much %age of the work force is a foreign investors allowed to bring from outside the country? Replacing Kenyans with South Africans I suppose may or may not solve the problems KDN faces. Problems are normally embedded with management practices/styles. It gets to a point when staff members simply don't care anymore. Someone correct me.
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com
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@ Ken. ..QB. Prices are comparable for similar capacities. On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Ken <kenmutua@gmail.com> wrote:
Mugo,
Whose service are you using now? I'm currently their client and they are letting me down big time lately.
./Ken
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:36 AM, m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com> wrote:
he he he... Organizational politiks.
On a serious note; was a consumer of their crap services until March; less than 1km away n they couldn't serve me!!
Have moved on n wont be looking back any time soon..
Mugo.Mud
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
I suppose they will style up. All the feedback they used to get about their pathetic services and simply ignore have now come back to haunt them. I hear the outfit is now like a Mini South Africa, which leaves me wondering - how much %age of the work force is a foreign investors allowed to bring from outside the country? Replacing Kenyans with South Africans I suppose may or may not solve the problems KDN faces. Problems are normally embedded with management practices/styles. It gets to a point when staff members simply don't care anymore. Someone correct me.
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Kinuthia Ngugi < kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com> wrote:
Going by yesterday's Daily Nation article and this email here, things are thickkk!!
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@Wash I second you....100% ***Problems are normally embedded with management practices/styles. It gets to a point when staff members simply don't care anymore. :) :) [?][?][?] On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:43 PM, m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Ken.
..QB. Prices are comparable for similar capacities.
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Ken <kenmutua@gmail.com> wrote:
Mugo,
Whose service are you using now? I'm currently their client and they are letting me down big time lately.
./Ken
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:36 AM, m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com> wrote:
he he he... Organizational politiks.
On a serious note; was a consumer of their crap services until March; less than 1km away n they couldn't serve me!!
Have moved on n wont be looking back any time soon..
Mugo.Mud
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com
wrote:
I suppose they will style up. All the feedback they used to get about their pathetic services and simply ignore have now come back to haunt them. I hear the outfit is now like a Mini South Africa, which leaves me wondering - how much %age of the work force is a foreign investors allowed to bring from outside the country? Replacing Kenyans with South Africans I suppose may or may not solve the problems KDN faces. Problems are normally embedded with management practices/styles. It gets to a point when staff members simply don't care anymore. Someone correct me.
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Kinuthia Ngugi < kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com> wrote:
Going by yesterday's Daily Nation article and this email here, things are thickkk!!
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Yea right. Just like Akamba Bus. In the dying days, the staff were really disenfranchised (I hope that is the term). I went there to send and collect parcels several times and I was almost coming to blows with the staff because of their dont care attitude. This should be a lesson to all of us and those running big businesses. Corporate governance is key. Watch what is happening now with Tuskys. If they dont change course, they will go down the same way. What a pity. On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Gregory Okoth <gregory.okoth@gmail.com>wrote:
@Wash
I second you....100%
***Problems are normally embedded with management practices/styles. It gets to a point when staff members simply don't care anymore.
:) :) [?][?][?]
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:43 PM, m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Ken.
..QB. Prices are comparable for similar capacities.
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Ken <kenmutua@gmail.com> wrote:
Mugo,
Whose service are you using now? I'm currently their client and they are letting me down big time lately.
./Ken
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:36 AM, m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com> wrote:
he he he... Organizational politiks.
On a serious note; was a consumer of their crap services until March; less than 1km away n they couldn't serve me!!
Have moved on n wont be looking back any time soon..
Mugo.Mud
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
I suppose they will style up. All the feedback they used to get about their pathetic services and simply ignore have now come back to haunt them. I hear the outfit is now like a Mini South Africa, which leaves me wondering - how much %age of the work force is a foreign investors allowed to bring from outside the country? Replacing Kenyans with South Africans I suppose may or may not solve the problems KDN faces. Problems are normally embedded with management practices/styles. It gets to a point when staff members simply don't care anymore. Someone correct me.
On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Kinuthia Ngugi < kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com> wrote:
Going by yesterday's Daily Nation article and this email here, things are thickkk!!
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Whom to contact, we need a kenyan to move around this big investment. A person who understand`s this market and co-operate governance. Edwin On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com>wrote:
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It seems this crap is happening in every other company integrated in Kenya. - First of all; a foreign company is started and successfully takes off.. Things are working OK, they get clients and are quite poised for growth. - Then the foreign company that dint quite believe they would make it in Kenya starts to take notice. "It seems there is a lot of cash to made after all !!!! - Then they send 'expats' to come and 'improve' the company. - They push out the locals and the foreign incumbents into lower management positions - claiming the need for 'streamlining' and 'efficiency' which they have brought from lands far far away! - These 'expats' increase company expenses, and consume salaries of more than 20 local people - for their 'messiah' foreign leadership they have brought from lands far far away. - Most of them are involved in several 'luxurious' ventures in the Country instead of working and advancing the culture that the starters put forth. - They hire boot-licking cronies that destroy the existing culture that made the company an initial local success. - Cost of Opex goes up; - Retrenchment aka Cost-Cutting comes - They lose good talents. - They lose their former clients. - The 'expats' take the first plane out. - The company is left to sink in the wake of the 'expat' and 'know-it-all' management. Look around.. Its happening in some of these once successful foreign Tech Companies.
@Stephen + 1,000,000! You have articulated it in the best way possible! My problem is not even with the 'expats'. I have worked with one of them and he was quite good at what he did and he actually chose to earn a fraction of what a junior staff was earning until the company met all the targets that he had set when he came in! After all, you don't need to be from outside Kenya to make bad decisions! Contrast the above with another company that I know of. One of the foreign *wadosis* was spending hundreds of millions of Kenya shillings on something that could be acquired locally at a very small price. She convinced most of her C-level friends to do the same and in no time they started the process of 'retrenching in an effort to cut costs'! As we speak(or type on our keyboards), the company is no more - went belly-up in the shortest time ever! Look at our leading telco. It's never had a Kenyan C.E.O and I doubt that will happen soon. Does that make them evil? I do not think so! The 'expats' there have learnt to listen to the Kenyans who work with them and the results are clear for all to see. My 2.16 cents (inclusive of V.A.T)... On 7 June 2012 17:38, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
It seems this crap is happening in every other company integrated in Kenya.
- First of all; a foreign company is started and successfully takes off.. Things are working OK, they get clients and are quite poised for growth.
- Then the foreign company that dint quite believe they would make it in Kenya starts to take notice. "It seems there is a lot of cash to made after all !!!!
- Then they send 'expats' to come and 'improve' the company.
- They push out the locals and the foreign incumbents into lower management positions - claiming the need for 'streamlining' and 'efficiency' which they have brought from lands far far away!
- These 'expats' increase company expenses, and consume salaries of more than 20 local people - for their 'messiah' foreign leadership they have brought from lands far far away.
- Most of them are involved in several 'luxurious' ventures in the Country instead of working and advancing the culture that the starters put forth.
- They hire boot-licking cronies that destroy the existing culture that made the company an initial local success.
- Cost of Opex goes up;
- Retrenchment aka Cost-Cutting comes
- They lose good talents.
- They lose their former clients.
- The 'expats' take the first plane out.
- The company is left to sink in the wake of the 'expat' and 'know-it-all' management.
Look around.. Its happening in some of these once successful foreign Tech Companies.
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Well, if you add VAT to your 2 cents, I guess it will come to 2.32 if am not wrong :-)) Sent from a mobile device, Evans Ikua On 07/06/2012 4:23 PM, "Moses Muya" <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote: @Stephen + 1,000,000! You have articulated it in the best way possible! My problem is not even with the 'expats'. I have worked with one of them and he was quite good at what he did and he actually chose to earn a fraction of what a junior staff was earning until the company met all the targets that he had set when he came in! After all, you don't need to be from outside Kenya to make bad decisions! Contrast the above with another company that I know of. One of the foreign *wadosis* was spending hundreds of millions of Kenya shillings on something that could be acquired locally at a very small price. She convinced most of her C-level friends to do the same and in no time they started the process of 'retrenching in an effort to cut costs'! As we speak(or type on our keyboards), the company is no more - went belly-up in the shortest time ever! Look at our leading telco. It's never had a Kenyan C.E.O and I doubt that will happen soon. Does that make them evil? I do not think so! The 'expats' there have learnt to listen to the Kenyans who work with them and the results are clear for all to see. My 2.16 cents (inclusive of V.A.T)... On 7 June 2012 17:38, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
It seems this crap is happening in every other company integrated in
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First of all; a ...
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My bad... :) On 7 June 2012 18:28, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, if you add VAT to your 2 cents, I guess it will come to 2.32 if am not wrong :-))
Sent from a mobile device, Evans Ikua
On 07/06/2012 4:23 PM, "Moses Muya" <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
@Stephen
+ 1,000,000! You have articulated it in the best way possible! My problem is not even with the 'expats'. I have worked with one of them and he was quite good at what he did and he actually chose to earn a fraction of what a junior staff was earning until the company met all the targets that he had set when he came in! After all, you don't need to be from outside Kenya to make bad decisions!
Contrast the above with another company that I know of. One of the foreign *wadosis* was spending hundreds of millions of Kenya shillings on something that could be acquired locally at a very small price. She convinced most of her C-level friends to do the same and in no time they started the process of 'retrenching in an effort to cut costs'! As we speak(or type on our keyboards), the company is no more - went belly-up in the shortest time ever!
Look at our leading telco. It's never had a Kenyan C.E.O and I doubt that will happen soon. Does that make them evil? I do not think so! The 'expats' there have learnt to listen to the Kenyans who work with them and the results are clear for all to see.
My 2.16 cents (inclusive of V.A.T)...
On 7 June 2012 17:38, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
It seems this crap is happening in every other company integrated in
Kenya.
First of all; a ...
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@ Evans he he he @ Moses Yes, as I said, not all are 'evil'... the foreigners who start up the companies and make it a success are usually replaced by others who are deemed more 'qualified' to handle the new found success. The 'qualified' ones especially when arrogant and 'know-it-all' are the ones who run the ship to the bedrocks.
I agree with you... On 7 June 2012 18:53, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Evans
he he he
@ Moses
Yes, as I said, not all are 'evil'... the foreigners who start up the companies and make it a success are usually replaced by others who are deemed more 'qualified' to handle the new found success.
The 'qualified' ones especially when arrogant and 'know-it-all' are the ones who run the ship to the bedrocks.
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and the market speaks, “The Losses In Nigeria Are Embarrassing” – Telkom CEO http://bit.ly/MAKzHL On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with you...
On 7 June 2012 18:53, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Evans
he he he
@ Moses
Yes, as I said, not all are 'evil'... the foreigners who start up the companies and make it a success are usually replaced by others who are deemed more 'qualified' to handle the new found success.
The 'qualified' ones especially when arrogant and 'know-it-all' are the ones who run the ship to the bedrocks.
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Gregory Okoth -
Ken -
Kinuthia Ngugi -
m mugo -
Moses Muya -
ndungu stephen -
Odhiambo Washington