Hey ppl, I need a clarification on what a local loop is. I was at AK some days back and the lady dealing with this told me that a local loop doesnt really mean internet that's restricted to Kenya, but a connection between e.g. branches of a company/organization. Therefore if I wanted to buy bandwidth to host local content, which would be restricted to Kenyan traffic, then I would buy at the same rate as international bandwidth. If that's the case then I think this hurts the budding local content industry. So the point: Define local loop? o_O?
Hey @ Wes, that is the biggest bull....! I've ever heard of and I do apologise for the language. Either she has no clue or was just messing around with you. And then one wonders how eg Computer Society ( I think ) label Service Providers as SPs of the year. If this is the new trend, then it is a very dangerious one. Until 2 years ago, 10Mbit local was about 1000USD so am sure prices have gone down. If below is a true trend in the market, then for content we will have no choice but to start buying bandwidth from KIXP or even take our servers there when the time comes....... Maybe I'm becoming too critical once more, so "leave" terms self-enforced. :-) On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>wrote:
Hey ppl,
I need a clarification on what a local loop is. I was at AK some days back and the lady dealing with this told me that a local loop doesnt really mean internet that's restricted to Kenya, but a connection between e.g. branches of a company/organization. Therefore if I wanted to buy bandwidth to host local content, which would be restricted to Kenyan traffic, then I would buy at the same rate as international bandwidth.
If that's the case then I think this hurts the budding local content industry.
So the point: Define local loop?
o_O?
Hi Wes,
From a purely technical point of view, a local loop is actually the connection from the central office to the customer site. e.g the link btwn a DSLAM and a DSL modem or a WIMAX base station and the customer premise equipment. I am not aware of any other defination.
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Hey @ Wes, that is the biggest bull....! I've ever heard of and I do apologise for the language. Either she has no clue or was just messing around with you. And then one wonders how eg Computer Society ( I think ) label Service Providers as SPs of the year. If this is the new trend, then it is a very dangerious one. Until 2 years ago, 10Mbit local was about 1000USD so am sure prices have gone down. If below is a true trend in the market, then for content we will have no choice but to start buying bandwidth from KIXP or even take our servers there when the time comes.......
Maybe I'm becoming too critical once more, so "leave" terms self-enforced. :-)
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>wrote:
Hey ppl,
I need a clarification on what a local loop is. I was at AK some days back and the lady dealing with this told me that a local loop doesnt really mean internet that's restricted to Kenya, but a connection between e.g. branches of a company/organization. Therefore if I wanted to buy bandwidth to host local content, which would be restricted to Kenyan traffic, then I would buy at the same rate as international bandwidth.
If that's the case then I think this hurts the budding local content industry.
So the point: Define local loop?
o_O?
@Wesley,I agree with John and Michuki (also the AK lady),that local loop is the connection say from the office(client) to the ISP or connection btwn 2 of your branch offices,meaning no traffic to the internet.This actually is the work of a Public Data Network Operator-PDNO (not ISP) although in Kenya almost all ISP's have PDNO licences thus confusing clients.This actually what has been keeping KDN in business sinve 2003and TKL's kenstream,they weren't selling internet but the infrastructure(loops). HTH On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:58 PM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Wes,
From a purely technical point of view, a local loop is actually the connection from the central office to the customer site. e.g the link btwn a DSLAM and a DSL modem or a WIMAX base station and the customer premise equipment. I am not aware of any other defination.
On 10/12/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey @ Wes, that is the biggest bull....! I've ever heard of and I do apologise for the language. Either she has no clue or was just messing around with you. And then one wonders how eg Computer Society ( I think ) label Service Providers as SPs of the year. If this is the new trend, then it is a very dangerious one. Until 2 years ago, 10Mbit local was about 1000USD so am sure prices have gone down. If below is a true trend in the market, then for content we will have no choice but to start buying bandwidth from KIXP or even take our servers there when the time comes.......
Maybe I'm becoming too critical once more, so "leave" terms self-enforced. :-)
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:39 PM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>wrote:
Hey ppl,
I need a clarification on what a local loop is. I was at AK some days back and the lady dealing with this told me that a local loop doesnt really mean internet that's restricted to Kenya, but a connection between e.g. branches of a company/organization. Therefore if I wanted to buy bandwidth to host local content, which would be restricted to Kenyan traffic, then I would buy at the same rate as international bandwidth.
If that's the case then I think this hurts the budding local content industry.
So the point: Define local loop?
o_O?
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@Guys, Why did the lady not clarify to Wesley that all he needed was a connection into KIXP and problem sorted. Simple, she had no freakin.... clue of what she was being asked. *She could have even sold to Wesley a local loop from AK into KIXP*. As I mentioned and Mich confirmed, connection into KIXP and problem resolved. Now how complicated or a quantum mechanics of a question is it? On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Net Net <bgp.peers@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wesley, I agree with John and Michuki (also the AK lady),that local loop is the connection say from the office(client) to the ISP or connection btwn 2 of your branch offices,meaning no traffic to the internet.This actually is the work of a Public Data Network Operator-PDNO (not ISP) although in Kenya almost all ISP's have PDNO licences thus confusing clients.This actually what has been keeping KDN in business sinve 2003and TKL's kenstream,they weren't selling internet but the infrastructure(loops). HTH
Hi Wesley, Local loop = point to point circuit. Am not aware of any ISP that provides a LocalNET product/service. Your best option would be to buy a local-loop service to the KIXP and peer with everyone there. At the rate of $75 per MB on KDNs Fiber, it might be worth it if you are buying more than 1Mb of capacity. 1MB is the departure point where Peering becomes cheaper than buying Transit from any provider in Kenya. HTH, Michuki. wesley kirinya wrote:
Hey ppl,
I need a clarification on what a local loop is. I was at AK some days back and the lady dealing with this told me that a local loop doesnt really mean internet that's restricted to Kenya, but a connection between e.g. branches of a company/organization. Therefore if I wanted to buy bandwidth to host local content, which would be restricted to Kenyan traffic, then I would buy at the same rate as international bandwidth.
If that's the case then I think this hurts the budding local content industry.
So the point: Define local loop?
o_O?
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Alright. So the lady was correct in her explanation. These network stuff can be a bit confusing 8~) Thanks. --- On Mon, 10/12/09, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote: From: Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: [Skunkworks] Local Loop: Clarification Needed To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Cc: "Skunk Works" <skunkworks@my.co.ke>, "ke-users" <ke-internetusers@bdix.net> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 8:51 PM Hi Wesley, Local loop = point to point circuit. Am not aware of any ISP that provides a LocalNET product/service. Your best option would be to buy a local-loop service to the KIXP and peer with everyone there. At the rate of $75 per MB on KDNs Fiber, it might be worth it if you are buying more than 1Mb of capacity. 1MB is the departure point where Peering becomes cheaper than buying Transit from any provider in Kenya. HTH, Michuki. wesley kirinya wrote:
Hey ppl, I need a clarification on what a local loop is. I was at AK some days back and the lady dealing with this told me that a local loop doesnt really mean internet that's restricted to Kenya, but a connection between e.g. branches of a company/organization. Therefore if I wanted to buy bandwidth to host local content, which would be restricted to Kenyan traffic, then I would buy at the same rate as international bandwidth. If that's the case then I think this hurts the budding local content industry. So the point: Define local loop? o_O?
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Wesley, on a very serious note, you better learn that ladies are always right, always! :-) On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:22 AM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>wrote:
Alright. So the lady was correct in her explanation. These network stuff can be a bit confusing 8~)
Thanks.
--- On *Mon, 10/12/09, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com>* wrote:
From: Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> Subject: [ke-internetusers] Re: [Skunkworks] Local Loop: Clarification Needed To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Cc: "Skunk Works" <skunkworks@my.co.ke>, "ke-users" < ke-internetusers@bdix.net> Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 8:51 PM
Hi Wesley,
Local loop = point to point circuit.
Am not aware of any ISP that provides a LocalNET product/service.
Your best option would be to buy a local-loop service to the KIXP and peer with everyone there. At the rate of $75 per MB on KDNs Fiber, it might be worth it if you are buying more than 1Mb of capacity. 1MB is the departure point where Peering becomes cheaper than buying Transit from any provider in Kenya.
HTH,
Michuki.
wesley kirinya wrote:
Hey ppl,
I need a clarification on what a local loop is. I was at AK some days back and the lady dealing with this told me that a local loop doesnt really mean internet that's restricted to Kenya, but a connection between e.g. branches of a company/organization. Therefore if I wanted to buy bandwidth to host local content, which would be restricted to Kenyan traffic, then I would buy at the same rate as international bandwidth.
If that's the case then I think this hurts the budding local content industry.
So the point: Define local loop?
o_O?
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On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:22 AM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>wrote:
Alright. So the lady was correct in her explanation. These network stuff can be a bit confusing 8~)
Thanks.
@Wes, I'm abit confused about your posting then because the discussion was not about a lady nor local loop but hosting of that content via networks. As someone who was handling your query, she did not give you the correct info. If you notice, I brought in the KIXP portion which Mich elaborated more on. As a manager who was handling your query, all she had to do was talk to anyone in AK network ( and am sure there are plenty of talented gururs there ) give you a solution to what you were looking for. :-) Rgds.
You could be right on that. I don't think I read all responses. I'm basically interested in setting up a server which people in Kenya only (not companies but ordinary people) can access. Since it's Kenya only I assumed bandwidth for the server would be cheaper. Is my assumption correct? Who do I contact to provide this solution? O_0 --- On Tue, 10/13/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote: From: aki <aki275@googlemail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [ke-internetusers] Re: Local Loop: Clarification Needed To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Tuesday, October 13, 2009, 10:46 AM On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 9:22 AM, wesley kirinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com> wrote: Alright. So the lady was correct in her explanation. These network stuff can be a bit confusing 8~) Thanks. @Wes, I'm abit confused about your posting then because the discussion was not about a lady nor local loop but hosting of that content via networks. As someone who was handling your query, she did not give you the correct info. If you notice, I brought in the KIXP portion which Mich elaborated more on. As a manager who was handling your query, all she had to do was talk to anyone in AK network ( and am sure there are plenty of talented gururs there ) give you a solution to what you were looking for. :-) Rgds. -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
Hi @Wes. Please talk to AK again, this time to their Tech managers/Gurus and explain what you want. He/She will know that you want termination from your server and into KIXP and billing will only be for local loop. Incase Access Kenya cannot help, call KDN and get a connection into KIXP. Once you have a termination there, all local traffic will be able to reach the site. Rgds.
@Wes,I think aki right, I also feel collocation of your servers with an ISP will work for you.While talking to the ISP also enquire on the same coz collocating with them will be better especially in terms of uptime. HTH On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:46 AM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi @Wes. Please talk to AK again, this time to their Tech managers/Gurus and explain what you want. He/She will know that you want termination from your server and into KIXP and billing will only be for local loop.
Incase Access Kenya cannot help, call KDN and get a connection into KIXP. Once you have a termination there, all local traffic will be able to reach the site.
Rgds.
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