Hi all, There's an available opportunity to work ata a prestigious Firm in Westlands. Practical skills in networking required among other basic IT skills.Hands on experience will be the deal breaker . Interested persons should send their CVs to ict@starlit.co.ke Not latter than Thursday 3rd Nov,1800Hrs. Do not send it to this thread lest you get your behind shot.
Why would someone who is already competent, with experience, require Internship? They need a job, unless this kind of internship is simply meant to exploit. I think you made a mistake with your choice of words: practical skills in networking, hands-on experience.. On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 22:13, The sherminator <steve.kim41@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
There's an available opportunity to work ata a prestigious Firm in Westlands. Practical skills in networking required among other basic IT skills.Hands on experience will be the deal breaker .
Interested persons should send their CVs to ict@starlit.co.ke Not latter than Thursday 3rd Nov,1800Hrs.
Do not send it to this thread lest you get your behind shot.
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@wash, u broke my back, lmao, I have two Interns who have no clue about dismantling a computer, leave alone replace a cooler fan. I'm disappointed in our education systems. These are basics like sprinkling salt on food. On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Why would someone who is already competent, with experience, require Internship? They need a job, unless this kind of internship is simply meant to exploit. I think you made a mistake with your choice of words: practical skills in networking, hands-on experience..
@Osotsi, Are your Interns Ugandans by any chance? :-) It's not unusual to find Interns who totally lack initiative, which is what is mostly required. Then you may also be unlucky enough to meet a paper tiger... On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 12:23, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:
@wash, u broke my back, lmao,
I have two Interns who have no clue about dismantling a computer, leave alone replace a cooler fan. I'm disappointed in our education systems. These are basics like sprinkling salt on food.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Why would someone who is already competent, with experience, require Internship? They need a job, unless this kind of internship is simply meant to exploit. I think you made a mistake with your choice of words: practical skills in networking, hands-on experience..
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The problem is not the education system. It is us who were there before them. Someone was gently and patient enough to show us us the ropes. In our pursuit for "get rich quicker schemes" we forgot that we need to also pass the skills to the ones after us. Why can't you just show the guys how to do it? at least twice. If they can't get it, then even if they were taught in school, they still would not have gottent it! That is why they on internship! to learn! and learn! not to work! Regards Shad ________________________________ From: Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Internship Opportunity @wash, u broke my back, lmao, I have two Interns who have no clue about dismantling a computer, leave alone replace a cooler fan. I'm disappointed in our education systems. These are basics like sprinkling salt on food. On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote: Why would someone who is already competent, with experience, require Internship? They need a job, unless this kind of internship is simply meant to exploit.
I think you made a mistake with your choice of words: practical skills in networking, hands-on experience..
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I agree with Mwaniki...the interns are recruited to be first be trained how to go about the work. dont always assume that any IT guy knows how to go about everything. When i was in internship in my time there were these ones who could not format a computer! On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Shadrack Mwaniki <shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com
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The problem is not the education system. It is us who were there before them. Someone was gently and patient enough to show us us the ropes. In our pursuit for "get rich quicker schemes" we forgot that we need to also pass the skills to the ones after us.
Why can't you just show the guys how to do it? at least twice. If they can't get it, then even if they were taught in school, they still would not have gottent it! That is why they on internship! to learn! and learn! not to work!
Regards Shad
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@wash, u broke my back, lmao,
I have two Interns who have no clue about dismantling a computer, leave alone replace a cooler fan. I'm disappointed in our education systems. These are basics like sprinkling salt on food.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
Why would someone who is already competent, with experience, require Internship? They need a job, unless this kind of internship is simply meant to exploit. I think you made a mistake with your choice of words: practical skills in networking, hands-on experience..
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I mean this well, but why do people insist on being hand held? The CS degree gives you the fundamentals, you are supposed to build atop that knowledge. If you paid attention in class, you would know some basics and all I would have to show you is the tools... e.g. If you studied the client-server model in campus, you should be able to understand the reasoning behind setting up PHP/MySQL/Apache. This is not the case however, people simply cram their way through four years, for the sake of the paper! The CS degree is supposed to give you a clue! Not the answer! It's supposed to give you an idea where you should start searching for the solution to the problem. We have a hand out culture, waiting for someone to give us the solution. Wikipedia is there, references and all, to direct you. Sad though that 1.5 years into the iHub's existence, we had to recreate the page, a couple of weeks back. We don't even contribute to Wiki's etc. No interest in knowledge, just the certification and money that comes from the same. -- Warm Regards, Phares Kaboro Kariuki
Amen to that. I have always dreaded recruitment of developers and system admin because what the universities churn out is people who just know tools and not core fundamentals. For instance now am looking for guys to work on AI & Machine learning software. Tragedy does not begin to describe my findings. On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I mean this well, but why do people insist on being hand held?
The CS degree gives you the fundamentals, you are supposed to build atop that knowledge.
If you paid attention in class, you would know some basics and all I would have to show you is the tools... e.g. If you studied the client-server model in campus, you should be able to understand the reasoning behind setting up PHP/MySQL/Apache. This is not the case however, people simply cram their way through four years, for the sake of the paper!
The CS degree is supposed to give you a clue! Not the answer! It's supposed to give you an idea where you should start searching for the solution to the problem. We have a hand out culture, waiting for someone to give us the solution. Wikipedia is there, references and all, to direct you. Sad though that 1.5 years into the iHub's existence, we had to recreate the page, a couple of weeks back. We don't even contribute to Wiki's etc. No interest in knowledge, just the certification and money that comes from the same.
-- Warm Regards,
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Rad very true. Ask me i have had nightmares in getting a new designer intern. The tools(Photoshop et al) very great, but the thought process 0%. Problems galore. Regards, On 3 November 2011 13:34, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Amen to that.
I have always dreaded recruitment of developers and system admin because what the universities churn out is people who just know tools and not core fundamentals.
For instance now am looking for guys to work on AI & Machine learning software.
Tragedy does not begin to describe my findings.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I mean this well, but why do people insist on being hand held?
The CS degree gives you the fundamentals, you are supposed to build atop that knowledge.
If you paid attention in class, you would know some basics and all I would have to show you is the tools... e.g. If you studied the client-server model in campus, you should be able to understand the reasoning behind setting up PHP/MySQL/Apache. This is not the case however, people simply cram their way through four years, for the sake of the paper!
The CS degree is supposed to give you a clue! Not the answer! It's supposed to give you an idea where you should start searching for the solution to the problem. We have a hand out culture, waiting for someone to give us the solution. Wikipedia is there, references and all, to direct you. Sad though that 1.5 years into the iHub's existence, we had to recreate the page, a couple of weeks back. We don't even contribute to Wiki's etc. No interest in knowledge, just the certification and money that comes from the same.
-- Warm Regards,
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You could also be hiring the wrong people. Have you tried hiring Diploma graduates from some of the technical colleges? They usually come ready with the technical skills. after which their theoretical knowledge can be beefed up with evening classes On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 8:41 AM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Rad
very true. Ask me i have had nightmares in getting a new designer intern. The tools(Photoshop et al) very great, but the thought process 0%.
Problems galore.
Regards,
On 3 November 2011 13:34, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Amen to that.
I have always dreaded recruitment of developers and system admin because what the universities churn out is people who just know tools and not core fundamentals.
For instance now am looking for guys to work on AI & Machine learning software.
Tragedy does not begin to describe my findings.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
I mean this well, but why do people insist on being hand held?
The CS degree gives you the fundamentals, you are supposed to build atop that knowledge.
If you paid attention in class, you would know some basics and all I would have to show you is the tools... e.g. If you studied the client-server model in campus, you should be able to understand the reasoning behind setting up PHP/MySQL/Apache. This is not the case however, people simply cram their way through four years, for the sake of the paper!
The CS degree is supposed to give you a clue! Not the answer! It's supposed to give you an idea where you should start searching for the solution to the problem. We have a hand out culture, waiting for someone to give us the solution. Wikipedia is there, references and all, to direct you. Sad though that 1.5 years into the iHub's existence, we had to recreate the page, a couple of weeks back. We don't even contribute to Wiki's etc. No interest in knowledge, just the certification and money that comes from the same.
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On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
You could also be hiring the wrong people. Have you tried hiring Diploma graduates from some of the technical colleges? They usually come ready with the technical skills. after which their theoretical knowledge can be beefed up with evening classes
For many tasks, Diploma/HND holders are more than competent, the problem is that we are currently experiencing Academic inflation. To work in Support, you need a degree, in Safaricom. The problem here is not practical knowledge. It's lack of systematic thinking. When you are in class you need to be an active learner! You need to be able to relate what you are taught with what is in use today! When you learn about UNIX, you learn about the architecture that runs OSX. So yes, it has a practical application. When you learn about Operating Systems, you learn about the fundamentals needed to improve on and contribute to the Linux Kernel etc. Very little has changed fundamentally in technology. We like educating people in silo's so people assume that cramming will allow them to succeed, yet the greatest successes in technology come from people who are able to give practical uses to technology. You are in school to learn how to accumulate and apply knowledge in a certain field. A CS Major should make one comfortable to work in most areas in ICT, as all they will have a compass to guide them on where to get the necessary information to accomplish a certain task. Maybe the problem is that most people copied their way through assignments in campus but if you think about it, the lecturer gives you certain knowledge then asks you to *RESEARCH* and come up with a solution. That thinking should be applied to the work environment! That's why it is, in theory, preparatory to a career in the IT field... -- Warm Regards, Phares Kaboro Kariuki
now, if there was a way these brilliant thoughts could be relayed to the students... say through a talk at a campus... On Nov 3, 2011 4:42 PM, "Phares Kariuki" <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
You could also be hiring the wrong people. Have you tried hiring Diploma graduates from some of the technical colleges? They usually come ready with the technical skills. after which their theoretical knowledge can be beefed up with evening classes
For many tasks, Diploma/HND holders are more than competent, the problem is that we are currently experiencing Academic inflation. To work in Support, you need a degree, in Safaricom.
The problem here is not practical knowledge. It's lack of systematic thinking. When you are in class you need to be an active learner! You need to be able to relate what you are taught with what is in use today! When you learn about UNIX, you learn about the architecture that runs OSX. So yes, it has a practical application. When you learn about Operating Systems, you learn about the fundamentals needed to improve on and contribute to the Linux Kernel etc. Very little has changed fundamentally in technology. We like educating people in silo's so people assume that cramming will allow them to succeed, yet the greatest successes in technology come from people who are able to give practical uses to technology.
You are in school to learn how to accumulate and apply knowledge in a certain field. A CS Major should make one comfortable to work in most areas in ICT, as all they will have a compass to guide them on where to get the necessary information to accomplish a certain task. Maybe the problem is that most people copied their way through assignments in campus but if you think about it, the lecturer gives you certain knowledge then asks you to *RESEARCH* and come up with a solution. That thinking should be applied to the work environment! That's why it is, in theory, preparatory to a career in the IT field...
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I'm still running a mentorship program. I'm sure many on this list are more than willing to share this info with the Uni's.... -- Regards, Phares Kaboro Kariuki -----Original Message----- From: amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 18:21:36 To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Internship Opportunity _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
its crazy i once saw some Bsc Comp Sci & Math trying to do this... <li> <ul>item</ul> <ul>item</ul> </li> universities (especially public) need to stop being so exam oriented and focus on practice when it comes to web, no need to play the blame game. On 3 November 2011 19:20, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm still running a mentorship program. I'm sure many on this list are more than willing to share this info with the Uni's.... --
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now this the part i hate most..am a IT diploma holder on attachment but believe you me am showing and doing most of the things over here coz this degree holders got no clue about it..am dissapointed when people thing we diploma holder know nothing yet we better than you.. On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:06 AM, jamo njoroge <patjayke@gmail.com> wrote:
its crazy i once saw some Bsc Comp Sci & Math trying to do this... <li> <ul>item</ul> <ul>item</ul> </li>
universities (especially public) need to stop being so exam oriented and focus on practice when it comes to web, no need to play the blame game.
On 3 November 2011 19:20, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm still running a mentorship program. I'm sure many on this list are more than willing to share this info with the Uni's.... --
Regards,
Phares Kaboro Kariuki
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HAhahaha..! On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:06 AM, benjamin mukeku <benjahz2011@gmail.com> wrote:
now this the part i hate most..am a IT diploma holder on attachment but believe you me am showing and doing most of the things over here coz this degree holders got no clue about it..am dissapointed when people thing we diploma holder know nothing yet we better than you..
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:06 AM, jamo njoroge <patjayke@gmail.com> wrote:
its crazy i once saw some Bsc Comp Sci & Math trying to do this... <li> <ul>item</ul> <ul>item</ul> </li> universities (especially public) need to stop being so exam oriented and focus on practice when it comes to web, no need to play the blame game.
On 3 November 2011 19:20, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm still running a mentorship program. I'm sure many on this list are more than willing to share this info with the Uni's.... --
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When hiring, we should look for guys with skills..... as the guy what can u do...... On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:11 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
HAhahaha..!
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:06 AM, benjamin mukeku <benjahz2011@gmail.com> wrote:
now this the part i hate most..am a IT diploma holder on attachment but believe you me am showing and doing most of the things over here coz this degree holders got no clue about it..am dissapointed when people thing we diploma holder know nothing yet we better than you..
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:06 AM, jamo njoroge <patjayke@gmail.com> wrote:
its crazy i once saw some Bsc Comp Sci & Math trying to do this... <li> <ul>item</ul> <ul>item</ul> </li> universities (especially public) need to stop being so exam oriented and focus on practice when it comes to web, no need to play the blame game.
On 3 November 2011 19:20, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm still running a mentorship program. I'm sure many on this list are more than willing to share this info with the Uni's.... --
Regards,
Phares Kaboro Kariuki
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so the battle here is between the degree and dip holders ama? On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Joseph Maina <mainasoft00@gmail.com> wrote:
When hiring,
we should look for guys with skills..... as the guy what can u do......
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:11 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
HAhahaha..!
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 11:06 AM, benjamin mukeku <benjahz2011@gmail.com> wrote:
now this the part i hate most..am a IT diploma holder on attachment but believe you me am showing and doing most of the things over here coz this degree holders got no clue about it..am dissapointed when people thing we diploma holder know nothing yet we better than you..
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:06 AM, jamo njoroge <patjayke@gmail.com> wrote:
its crazy i once saw some Bsc Comp Sci & Math trying to do this... <li> <ul>item</ul> <ul>item</ul> </li> universities (especially public) need to stop being so exam oriented
and
focus on practice when it comes to web, no need to play the blame game.
On 3 November 2011 19:20, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm still running a mentorship program. I'm sure many on this list are more than willing to share this info with the Uni's.... --
Regards,
Phares Kaboro Kariuki
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@Benjamin, You need both and you will become high value material; e.g I used to rely on my Dip. Computer Studies (Kenya Poly, 2000) but when I realized I was going nowhere with it I did BSc. IT from JKUAT eight years later and currently I am not complaining. ;) -- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 | http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home On 4 November 2011 11:06, benjamin mukeku <benjahz2011@gmail.com> wrote:
now this the part i hate most..am a IT diploma holder on attachment but believe you me am showing and doing most of the things over here coz this degree holders got no clue about it..am dissapointed when people thing we diploma holder know nothing yet we better than you..
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:06 AM, jamo njoroge <patjayke@gmail.com> wrote:
its crazy i once saw some Bsc Comp Sci & Math trying to do this... <li> <ul>item</ul> <ul>item</ul> </li>
universities (especially public) need to stop being so exam oriented and focus on practice when it comes to web, no need to play the blame game.
On 3 November 2011 19:20, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm still running a mentorship program. I'm sure many on this list are more than willing to share this info with the Uni's.... --
Regards,
Phares Kaboro Kariuki
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I need 20pcs of Win 7 pro OEM Original. If you have this in stock, send we a quote TonyG.
Tony see price sent already OFFLIST. ALVIN OCHOLA SALES 0722-313923 www.greenline.co.ke On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Tony Gacheru <tonygacheru@gmail.com> wrote:
I need 20pcs of Win 7 pro OEM Original.
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@ngugi i'll see wat to do about ti.. On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <ngugi@mafundi.co.ke> wrote:
@Benjamin,
You need both and you will become high value material; e.g I used to rely on my Dip. Computer Studies (Kenya Poly, 2000) but when I realized I was going nowhere with it I did BSc. IT from JKUAT eight years later and currently I am not complaining.
;)
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On 4 November 2011 11:06, benjamin mukeku <benjahz2011@gmail.com> wrote:
now this the part i hate most..am a IT diploma holder on attachment but believe you me am showing and doing most of the things over here coz this degree holders got no clue about it..am dissapointed when people thing we diploma holder know nothing yet we better than you..
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:06 AM, jamo njoroge <patjayke@gmail.com> wrote:
its crazy i once saw some Bsc Comp Sci & Math trying to do this... <li> <ul>item</ul> <ul>item</ul> </li>
universities (especially public) need to stop being so exam oriented and focus on practice when it comes to web, no need to play the blame game.
On 3 November 2011 19:20, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm still running a mentorship program. I'm sure many on this list are more than willing to share this info with the Uni's.... --
Regards,
Phares Kaboro Kariuki
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We seriously want our universities to be instructing computer science graduates on how to format laptops and patch cables? I for one think not....... On 11/5/11, benjamin mukeku <benjahz2011@gmail.com> wrote:
@ngugi i'll see wat to do about ti..
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <ngugi@mafundi.co.ke> wrote:
@Benjamin,
You need both and you will become high value material; e.g I used to rely on my Dip. Computer Studies (Kenya Poly, 2000) but when I realized I was going nowhere with it I did BSc. IT from JKUAT eight years later and currently I am not complaining.
;)
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On 4 November 2011 11:06, benjamin mukeku <benjahz2011@gmail.com> wrote:
now this the part i hate most..am a IT diploma holder on attachment but believe you me am showing and doing most of the things over here coz this degree holders got no clue about it..am dissapointed when people thing we diploma holder know nothing yet we better than you..
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:06 AM, jamo njoroge <patjayke@gmail.com> wrote:
its crazy i once saw some Bsc Comp Sci & Math trying to do this... <li> <ul>item</ul> <ul>item</ul> </li>
universities (especially public) need to stop being so exam oriented and focus on practice when it comes to web, no need to play the blame game.
On 3 November 2011 19:20, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm still running a mentorship program. I'm sure many on this list are more than willing to share this info with the Uni's.... --
Regards,
Phares Kaboro Kariuki
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I'm not nitpicking here but, The most formal training i rec'd in IT was from my cousin .. 17 years ago. He sat me down and showed me a Pentium 367Mhz machine. Handed me a *RH2 CD*set (this was pre good looking GUI's where the terminal was a better tool-kit. ) and a book on Linux...and said I'd have myself a hefty allowance if i got the PC to work installed and ready to go with and this was the biggest condition, an APACHE server, File sharing enabled and Networking completed. For those of you who had the opportunity of learning this OS, you'll know that the three latter conditions were the easier steps of the installation. The difficult part was installing the damned Operating system. I got a Pentium II at the end of the week. Thing here is and I'm not nitpicking. But. The person who's hiring. May be in a good position. probably a great one. And it's not a direct hit, you just happen to be in the limelight right now, but read carefully. *Hi all, There's an available opportunity to work *ata *a prestigious Firm in Westlands. Practical skills in networking required among other basic IT skills.Hands on experience will be the deal breaker . Interested persons should send their CVs to ict@starlit.co.ke Not *latter *than Thursday 3rd Nov,1800Hrs. Do not send it to this thread lest you get your behind shot. * They may be typo's. But it's there. For all to see. I'm not saying i've never had a typo. Or made mistakes. I'm saying. If you're going to be extra critical about whom you hire and train, at least for your own image's sake be more vigilant about how you portray yourself. You and a lot more are using this list to find people to work with; interns to work with; investors; and they pay attention to detail. I agree with *Phares *on the fact that formal training is one part. *YOU*as an individual need to have the initiative and grow from there. Mentor-ship is not spoon feeding. It's guidance. Relevant guidance. And there was a lot about how someone was an online Stanford dropout.. I have to ask. Why did anyone respond to that? the person saying that didn't even ask for help. It was simply a long statement saying, i'm too lazy to try, i give up. And i'm just letting you know so that in case you read about me later on, you know i justified my not being able to make it. My question is, are we adjusting our lifestyles to accommodate people who aren't ready to work for themselves? I remember that I once spent 2,000 shillings for a whole 48 Hours at a cyber cafe in Mombasa above where Bob's is now. I camped there actually got permission from the owner, hired a booth just so that i could watch a *20 Minute Adobe Breeze streaming presentation on Flash Animation* ( for you who aren't aware, breeze is a proprietary Adobe technology that allows live screen casting with chat modules. As far as i know, apart from the Citrix Metaframe systems, in that day, Adobe was the only one doing this commercially it's a backburner project now. ) this is by it's nature a non-downloadable presentation. And we've got someone who's giving up because their speeds are too slow to download video's in one sitting? It was great to see help show up almost immediately but it's not the right way to deal with things. It's the *Jesus and the Fish *parable all over again. That is not a comforting thought. As members of this list i believe we have the capacity to grow. to Grow in to a glorious empire of sorts. A consortium of minds where the key is thinking. and progressing, inventing and ever-expanding. I believe if there is a place to start the mentoring, it should be here. The group is growing and instead of mentoring, we're creating dependent IT buffs who will one day be lost without the internet or their references. Do not take this as a hate mail. Or as an attack. These are my thoughts on the events of the past week or two and i felt airing them would be healthy. I encourage the same from others. Keep in mind not to be rude or malicious. *W. * On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 7:43 PM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
We seriously want our universities to be instructing computer science graduates on how to format laptops and patch cables? I for one think not.......
On 11/5/11, benjamin mukeku <benjahz2011@gmail.com> wrote:
@ngugi i'll see wat to do about ti..
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <ngugi@mafundi.co.ke> wrote:
@Benjamin,
You need both and you will become high value material; e.g I used to rely on my Dip. Computer Studies (Kenya Poly, 2000) but when I realized I was going nowhere with it I did BSc. IT from JKUAT eight years later and currently I am not complaining.
;)
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On 4 November 2011 11:06, benjamin mukeku <benjahz2011@gmail.com> wrote:
now this the part i hate most..am a IT diploma holder on attachment but believe you me am showing and doing most of the things over here coz this degree holders got no clue about it..am dissapointed when people thing we diploma holder know nothing yet we better than you..
On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:06 AM, jamo njoroge <patjayke@gmail.com> wrote:
its crazy i once saw some Bsc Comp Sci & Math trying to do this... <li> <ul>item</ul> <ul>item</ul> </li>
universities (especially public) need to stop being so exam oriented and focus on practice when it comes to web, no need to play the blame game.
On 3 November 2011 19:20, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm still running a mentorship program. I'm sure many on this list are more than willing to share this info with the Uni's.... --
Regards,
Phares Kaboro Kariuki
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@ Watchman Nice sentiments and I agree with you with some points - However, some of the reasons the list contributors would ask for help or air sentiments in such lists or blogs is mostly for time-saving; Eg The other day I had lost 1 week waiting for a hdd to be delivered from Sun - But when the thing arrived I had less than a day to mount and mirror the thing inorder for the thing to be commissioned and accepted by the network.. But when the hdd arrived; I had problems and the 'plug and play' turned out to be a two day affair of 'plugging and praying'. Yes, I know if I read the right books/manuals about RAID, Mirroring, Bios, etc I would have found the answer in there somewhere - But I had less than a day.. ------ So in such and similar cases - Its easier and time-saving to ask around (through a mail-list like this) mabbe somebody out there has an answer that can narrow down reading 10 manuals of hundreds of pages each - and you can move on to the actual work. Same to the "Stanford Dropout" downloader - me thinks the subject head was a means of "attracting" people to read through the thread to generate the help they needed. --- As an example - if my aim is to download Star-Trek TNG torrents to watch them - and our office has a proxy that one has to hop through to use the torrents; I am faced with a few options at this point (1) learn from the wider internet which torrents out of the hundreds can do this and how (2) ask from those already doing this the best way how Which comes to the next questions to ask yourself (1) do i really need to learn and try all these torrents when all I want is just to watch the TNG episodes ? (2) will i ever use these torrents after i get the TNG episodes or its just a one time thing ? Or i could just ask around and find an easier source and just get right to watching them! == My two cents Another Angle '
Dearest Skunks, Please don't misunderstand my words, i have no issue with using this unquestionably priceless resource we've got here and are updating and growing on a daily basis i am in more than one way extremely proud of what we've been able to and are achieving. My worry and concern is that while we are creating a Great open system, we're also creating dependencies. I personally am always referring, questioning, responding and using Skunkworks as my primary point of IT. All i worry about is the growth of tomorrow's leaders. Tomorrow's teachers. Tomorrow's Skunks. Are we doing them justice by simply providing them with the answers? Maybe we can have a system on Skunks making it a bit more formal... If for example we are helping with an unlock for a phone, may be starting the convo with Have you tried XXXX and then move on to working with the individual. Like i said as well, i was glad help showed up so quick for the Stanford group, but that was not the scenario, it was simply an example. Hope all's well. I meant no harm with my words, wanted to keep things open. *W. * On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 1:03 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Watchman
Nice sentiments and I agree with you with some points -
However, some of the reasons the list contributors would ask for help or air sentiments in such lists or blogs is mostly for time-saving;
Eg The other day I had lost 1 week waiting for a hdd to be delivered from Sun - But when the thing arrived I had less than a day to mount and mirror the thing inorder for the thing to be commissioned and accepted by the network.. But when the hdd arrived; I had problems and the 'plug and play' turned out to be a two day affair of 'plugging and praying'.
Yes, I know if I read the right books/manuals about RAID, Mirroring, Bios, etc I would have found the answer in there somewhere - But I had less than a day..
------
So in such and similar cases - Its easier and time-saving to ask around (through a mail-list like this) mabbe somebody out there has an answer that can narrow down reading 10 manuals of hundreds of pages each - and you can move on to the actual work.
Same to the "Stanford Dropout" downloader - me thinks the subject head was a means of "attracting" people to read through the thread to generate the help they needed.
--- As an example - if my aim is to download Star-Trek TNG torrents to watch them - and our office has a proxy that one has to hop through to use the torrents; I am faced with a few options at this point (1) learn from the wider internet which torrents out of the hundreds can do this and how (2) ask from those already doing this the best way how
Which comes to the next questions to ask yourself
(1) do i really need to learn and try all these torrents when all I want is just to watch the TNG episodes ? (2) will i ever use these torrents after i get the TNG episodes or its just a one time thing ?
Or i could just ask around and find an easier source and just get right to watching them!
== My two cents Another Angle '
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@wash; They are Kenyan interns, now I have a couple of jobs to offer but none of them help, I thought learners should possess initiative, all they have is theory on AD etc, no practice on crimping yet they claim to know networking, am just disappointed from where im seated! On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:11 PM, Catherine Ndavi <catherine.ndavi@gmail.com>wrote:
I agree with Mwaniki...the interns are recruited to be first be trained how to go about the work. dont always assume that any IT guy knows how to go about everything. When i was in internship in my time there were these ones who could not format a computer!
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