I'm not nitpicking here but,

The most formal training i rec'd in IT was from my cousin .. 17 years ago. He sat me down and showed me a Pentium 367Mhz machine. Handed me a RH2 CD set (this was pre good looking GUI's where the terminal was a better tool-kit. ) and a book on Linux...and said I'd have myself a hefty allowance if i got the PC to work installed and ready to go with and this was the biggest condition, an APACHE server, File sharing enabled and Networking completed. For those of you who had the opportunity of learning this OS, you'll know that the three latter conditions were the easier steps of the installation.

The difficult part was installing the damned Operating system.

I got a Pentium II at the end of the week.

Thing here is and I'm not nitpicking. But. The person who's hiring. May be in a good position. probably a great one. And it's not a direct hit, you just happen to be in the limelight right now, but read carefully.

Hi all,

There's an available opportunity to work ata a prestigious Firm in Westlands.
Practical skills in networking required among other basic IT skills.Hands on experience will be the deal breaker .

Interested persons should send their CVs to ict@starlit.co.ke Not latter than Thursday 3rd Nov,1800Hrs.

Do not send it to this thread lest you get your behind shot.

They may be typo's. But it's there. For all to see.

I'm not saying i've never had a typo. Or made mistakes. I'm saying. If you're going to be extra critical about whom you hire and train, at least for your own image's sake be more vigilant about how you portray yourself.

You and a lot more are using this list to find people to work with; interns to work with; investors; and they pay attention to detail.

I agree with Phares on the fact that formal training is one part. YOU as an individual need to have the initiative and grow from there. Mentor-ship is not spoon feeding. It's guidance. Relevant guidance.

And there was a lot about how someone was an online Stanford dropout.. I have to ask. Why did anyone respond to that? the person saying that didn't even ask for help. It was simply a long statement saying, i'm too lazy to try, i give up. And i'm just letting you know so that in case you read about me later on, you know i justified my not being able to make it.

My question is, are we adjusting our lifestyles to accommodate people who aren't ready to work for themselves?

I remember that I once spent 2,000 shillings for a whole 48 Hours at a cyber cafe in Mombasa above where Bob's is now. I camped there actually got permission from the owner, hired a booth just so that i could watch a 20 Minute Adobe Breeze streaming presentation on Flash Animation ( for you who aren't aware, breeze is a proprietary Adobe technology that allows live screen casting with chat modules. As far as i know, apart from the Citrix Metaframe systems, in that day, Adobe was the only one doing this commercially it's a backburner project now. ) this is by it's nature a non-downloadable presentation. And we've got someone who's giving up because their speeds are too slow to download video's in one sitting? It was great to see help show up almost immediately but it's not the right way to deal with things. It's the Jesus and the Fish parable all over again.

That is not a comforting thought. As members of this list i believe we have the capacity to grow. to Grow in to a glorious empire of sorts. A consortium of minds where the key is thinking. and progressing, inventing and ever-expanding. I believe if there is a place to start the mentoring, it should be here.

The group is growing and instead of mentoring, we're creating dependent IT buffs who will one day be lost without the internet or their references.

Do not take this as a hate mail. Or as an attack.

These are my thoughts on the events of the past week or two and i felt airing them would be healthy. I encourage the same from others. Keep in mind not to be rude or malicious.

W.

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 7:43 PM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
We seriously want our universities to be instructing computer science
graduates on how to format laptops and patch cables? I for one think
not.......

On 11/5/11, benjamin mukeku <benjahz2011@gmail.com> wrote:
> @ngugi i'll see wat to do about ti..
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <ngugi@mafundi.co.ke> wrote:
>
>> @Benjamin,
>>
>> You need both and you will become high value material; e.g I used to rely
>> on my Dip. Computer Studies (Kenya Poly, 2000) but when I realized I was
>> going nowhere with it I did BSc. IT from JKUAT eight years later and
>> currently I am not complaining.
>>
>> ;)
>>
>> --
>> Ngũgĩ Kĩmani | Fundi wa Mitambo | 0772 576846 |
>> http://www.mafundi.co.ke/home
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4 November 2011 11:06, benjamin mukeku <benjahz2011@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> now this the part i hate most..am a IT diploma holder on attachment but
>>> believe you me am showing and doing most of the things over here coz this
>>> degree holders got no clue about it..am dissapointed when people thing we
>>> diploma holder know nothing yet we better than you..
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:06 AM, jamo njoroge <patjayke@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> its crazy i once saw some Bsc Comp Sci & Math trying to do this...
>>>> <li>
>>>> <ul>item</ul>
>>>> <ul>item</ul>
>>>> </li>
>>>>
>>>> universities (especially public) need to stop being so exam oriented and
>>>> focus on practice when it comes to web, no need to play the blame game.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3 November 2011 19:20, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm still running a mentorship program. I'm sure many on this list are
>>>>> more than willing to share this info with the Uni's....
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Phares Kaboro Kariuki
>>>>>
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