Hey guys, Please read for yourself the Bill, which was already introduced in Parliament (National Assembly) . It among other things requires ICT professionals to acquire licences before they can practice, undertake annual practicums and licence their businesses. If the Bill is passed into law, one cannot practice ICT without a licence. See the Bill here: http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic... There are people organising to take action on KICTANet kictanet.or.ke and on Twitter #KillICTBill. Regards,
We seem to have weird ways of self destructing. I do not support the ICT bill #*NoToICTPractionersBill* <https://twitter.com/hashtag/NoToICTPractionersBill?src=hash> Solomon Kariri, Software Developer, Cell: +254721 956 172 Skype: solomonkariri On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hey guys, Please read for yourself the Bill, which was already introduced in Parliament (National Assembly) . It among other things requires ICT professionals to acquire licences before they can practice, undertake annual practicums and licence their businesses. If the Bill is passed into law, one cannot practice ICT without a licence. See the Bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
There are people organising to take action on KICTANet kictanet.or.ke and on Twitter #KillICTBill.
Regards,
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I have come across rogue techies who leave clients in problems in turn leaving the rest exposed to hostile potential clients. Without such a bill how can this be handled? Regards, Job Muriuki, Skype: heviejob On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Solomon Kariri via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
We seem to have weird ways of self destructing. I do not support the ICT bill #*NoToICTPractionersBill* <https://twitter.com/hashtag/NoToICTPractionersBill?src=hash>
Solomon Kariri,
Software Developer, Cell: +254721 956 172 Skype: solomonkariri
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hey guys, Please read for yourself the Bill, which was already introduced in Parliament (National Assembly) . It among other things requires ICT professionals to acquire licences before they can practice, undertake annual practicums and licence their businesses. If the Bill is passed into law, one cannot practice ICT without a licence. See the Bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
There are people organising to take action on KICTANet kictanet.or.ke and on Twitter #KillICTBill.
Regards,
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Its all about morals We have Dentist, doctors, Architects, Engineers, who have a regulatory bodies , they have not prevented us from collapsed buildings, negligent doctors and all other things. This bill is just a way of government making money #idontsupport it On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I have come across rogue techies who leave clients in problems in turn leaving the rest exposed to hostile potential clients. Without such a bill how can this be handled?
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Solomon Kariri via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
We seem to have weird ways of self destructing. I do not support the ICT bill #*NoToICTPractionersBill* <https://twitter.com/hashtag/NoToICTPractionersBill?src=hash>
Solomon Kariri,
Software Developer, Cell: +254721 956 172 Skype: solomonkariri
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hey guys, Please read for yourself the Bill, which was already introduced in Parliament (National Assembly) . It among other things requires ICT professionals to acquire licences before they can practice, undertake annual practicums and licence their businesses. If the Bill is passed into law, one cannot practice ICT without a licence. See the Bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
There are people organising to take action on KICTANet kictanet.or.ke and on Twitter #KillICTBill.
Regards,
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All the current laws and constitution in Kenya protect citizens in their day to day activities. Over legislation will slow down or kill the ICT industry ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh On 6 July 2016 at 09:12, Joseph Maina via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Its all about morals We have Dentist, doctors, Architects, Engineers, who have a regulatory bodies , they have not prevented us from collapsed buildings, negligent doctors and all other things. This bill is just a way of government making money
#idontsupport it
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I have come across rogue techies who leave clients in problems in turn leaving the rest exposed to hostile potential clients. Without such a bill how can this be handled?
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Solomon Kariri via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
We seem to have weird ways of self destructing. I do not support the ICT bill #*NoToICTPractionersBill* <https://twitter.com/hashtag/NoToICTPractionersBill?src=hash>
Solomon Kariri,
Software Developer, Cell: +254721 956 172 Skype: solomonkariri
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hey guys, Please read for yourself the Bill, which was already introduced in Parliament (National Assembly) . It among other things requires ICT professionals to acquire licences before they can practice, undertake annual practicums and licence their businesses. If the Bill is passed into law, one cannot practice ICT without a licence. See the Bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
There are people organising to take action on KICTANet kictanet.or.ke and on Twitter #KillICTBill.
Regards,
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I think the initial intention was good. To curb rogue practitioners, minimize foreign sub-contracting by tenderpreneurs etc, which is actually a really huge problem in this industry. The way they're choosing to do it however, simply does not make sense, it only hurts the industry and will highly curb developments. I also don't understand why we need an ICT board while ICTA already exists. Or why they're limiting players by educational competencies in a field where the best of its people are self-taught. Additionally, ICT is an extremely diverse field. Project managers, Strategists, Technical writers etc can all be termed as ICT practitioners yet they do not necessarily posses degrees in IT. So, who exactly is an ICT Practitioner? So as I refuse to support this particular bill, maybe we need to open dialogue on how best to curb the issues we're facing as well, instead of waiting for people to write white papers and bills on our behalf which we then happily protest (and tweet, and rant and hashtag) against :) Sarah Kagotho, __________________________________________________________________________________ Life begins at the end of your comfort zone. Not at conception, as you may have previously heard :) On 6 July 2016 at 09:20, Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
All the current laws and constitution in Kenya protect citizens in their day to day activities. Over legislation will slow down or kill the ICT industry
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
On 6 July 2016 at 09:12, Joseph Maina via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Its all about morals We have Dentist, doctors, Architects, Engineers, who have a regulatory bodies , they have not prevented us from collapsed buildings, negligent doctors and all other things. This bill is just a way of government making money
#idontsupport it
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I have come across rogue techies who leave clients in problems in turn leaving the rest exposed to hostile potential clients. Without such a bill how can this be handled?
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Solomon Kariri via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
We seem to have weird ways of self destructing. I do not support the ICT bill #*NoToICTPractionersBill* <https://twitter.com/hashtag/NoToICTPractionersBill?src=hash>
Solomon Kariri,
Software Developer, Cell: +254721 956 172 Skype: solomonkariri
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hey guys, Please read for yourself the Bill, which was already introduced in Parliament (National Assembly) . It among other things requires ICT professionals to acquire licences before they can practice, undertake annual practicums and licence their businesses. If the Bill is passed into law, one cannot practice ICT without a licence. See the Bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
There are people organising to take action on KICTANet kictanet.or.ke and on Twitter #KillICTBill.
Regards,
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This bill is simply to make afew politically correct people rich. The so called rogue practitioners will still operate freely in KE ! Sign that petition https://www.change.org/p/president-uhuru-kenyatta-say-no-to-the-ict-practiti... Regards, Alvin Ochola 0722313923 On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Sara Kagotho via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I think the initial intention was good. To curb rogue practitioners, minimize foreign sub-contracting by tenderpreneurs etc, which is actually a really huge problem in this industry. The way they're choosing to do it however, simply does not make sense, it only hurts the industry and will highly curb developments. I also don't understand why we need an ICT board while ICTA already exists. Or why they're limiting players by educational competencies in a field where the best of its people are self-taught.
Additionally, ICT is an extremely diverse field. Project managers, Strategists, Technical writers etc can all be termed as ICT practitioners yet they do not necessarily posses degrees in IT. So, who exactly is an ICT Practitioner?
So as I refuse to support this particular bill, maybe we need to open dialogue on how best to curb the issues we're facing as well, instead of waiting for people to write white papers and bills on our behalf which we then happily protest (and tweet, and rant and hashtag) against :)
Sarah Kagotho,
__________________________________________________________________________________ Life begins at the end of your comfort zone. Not at conception, as you may have previously heard :)
On 6 July 2016 at 09:20, Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
All the current laws and constitution in Kenya protect citizens in their day to day activities. Over legislation will slow down or kill the ICT industry
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
On 6 July 2016 at 09:12, Joseph Maina via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Its all about morals We have Dentist, doctors, Architects, Engineers, who have a regulatory bodies , they have not prevented us from collapsed buildings, negligent doctors and all other things. This bill is just a way of government making money
#idontsupport it
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I have come across rogue techies who leave clients in problems in turn leaving the rest exposed to hostile potential clients. Without such a bill how can this be handled?
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Solomon Kariri via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
We seem to have weird ways of self destructing. I do not support the ICT bill #*NoToICTPractionersBill* <https://twitter.com/hashtag/NoToICTPractionersBill?src=hash>
Solomon Kariri,
Software Developer, Cell: +254721 956 172 Skype: solomonkariri
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hey guys, Please read for yourself the Bill, which was already introduced in Parliament (National Assembly) . It among other things requires ICT professionals to acquire licences before they can practice, undertake annual practicums and licence their businesses. If the Bill is passed into law, one cannot practice ICT without a licence. See the Bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
There are people organising to take action on KICTANet kictanet.or.ke and on Twitter #KillICTBill.
Regards,
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You’re one of 513 people to sign this petition. Now help find 487 more people to reach the goal. we can get to 1k. Let's do it *_______________________________________________________________We must Keep on, We can't stop here * On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
This bill is simply to make afew politically correct people rich.
The so called rogue practitioners will still operate freely in KE !
Sign that petition
https://www.change.org/p/president-uhuru-kenyatta-say-no-to-the-ict-practiti...
Regards,
Alvin Ochola 0722313923
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Sara Kagotho via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I think the initial intention was good. To curb rogue practitioners, minimize foreign sub-contracting by tenderpreneurs etc, which is actually a really huge problem in this industry. The way they're choosing to do it however, simply does not make sense, it only hurts the industry and will highly curb developments. I also don't understand why we need an ICT board while ICTA already exists. Or why they're limiting players by educational competencies in a field where the best of its people are self-taught.
Additionally, ICT is an extremely diverse field. Project managers, Strategists, Technical writers etc can all be termed as ICT practitioners yet they do not necessarily posses degrees in IT. So, who exactly is an ICT Practitioner?
So as I refuse to support this particular bill, maybe we need to open dialogue on how best to curb the issues we're facing as well, instead of waiting for people to write white papers and bills on our behalf which we then happily protest (and tweet, and rant and hashtag) against :)
Sarah Kagotho,
__________________________________________________________________________________ Life begins at the end of your comfort zone. Not at conception, as you may have previously heard :)
On 6 July 2016 at 09:20, Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
All the current laws and constitution in Kenya protect citizens in their day to day activities. Over legislation will slow down or kill the ICT industry
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
On 6 July 2016 at 09:12, Joseph Maina via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Its all about morals We have Dentist, doctors, Architects, Engineers, who have a regulatory bodies , they have not prevented us from collapsed buildings, negligent doctors and all other things. This bill is just a way of government making money
#idontsupport it
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I have come across rogue techies who leave clients in problems in turn leaving the rest exposed to hostile potential clients. Without such a bill how can this be handled?
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Solomon Kariri via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
We seem to have weird ways of self destructing. I do not support the ICT bill #*NoToICTPractionersBill* <https://twitter.com/hashtag/NoToICTPractionersBill?src=hash>
Solomon Kariri,
Software Developer, Cell: +254721 956 172 Skype: solomonkariri
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Hey guys, > Please read for yourself the Bill, which was already introduced in > Parliament (National Assembly) > . It among other things requires ICT professionals to acquire > licences before they can practice, undertake annual practicums and licence > their businesses. If the Bill is passed into law, one cannot practice ICT > without a licence. See the Bill here: > > http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic... > > There are people organising to take action on KICTANet > kictanet.or.ke and on Twitter #KillICTBill. > > Regards, > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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who is the member of parliament who brought this bill to the house? On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:08 PM, joe mwirigi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
You’re one of 513 people to sign this petition. Now help find 487 more people to reach the goal.
we can get to 1k. Let's do it
*_______________________________________________________________We must Keep on, We can't stop here *
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
This bill is simply to make afew politically correct people rich.
The so called rogue practitioners will still operate freely in KE !
Sign that petition
https://www.change.org/p/president-uhuru-kenyatta-say-no-to-the-ict-practiti...
Regards,
Alvin Ochola 0722313923
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Sara Kagotho via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I think the initial intention was good. To curb rogue practitioners, minimize foreign sub-contracting by tenderpreneurs etc, which is actually a really huge problem in this industry. The way they're choosing to do it however, simply does not make sense, it only hurts the industry and will highly curb developments. I also don't understand why we need an ICT board while ICTA already exists. Or why they're limiting players by educational competencies in a field where the best of its people are self-taught.
Additionally, ICT is an extremely diverse field. Project managers, Strategists, Technical writers etc can all be termed as ICT practitioners yet they do not necessarily posses degrees in IT. So, who exactly is an ICT Practitioner?
So as I refuse to support this particular bill, maybe we need to open dialogue on how best to curb the issues we're facing as well, instead of waiting for people to write white papers and bills on our behalf which we then happily protest (and tweet, and rant and hashtag) against :)
Sarah Kagotho,
__________________________________________________________________________________ Life begins at the end of your comfort zone. Not at conception, as you may have previously heard :)
On 6 July 2016 at 09:20, Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
All the current laws and constitution in Kenya protect citizens in their day to day activities. Over legislation will slow down or kill the ICT industry
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
On 6 July 2016 at 09:12, Joseph Maina via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Its all about morals We have Dentist, doctors, Architects, Engineers, who have a regulatory bodies , they have not prevented us from collapsed buildings, negligent doctors and all other things. This bill is just a way of government making money
#idontsupport it
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I have come across rogue techies who leave clients in problems in turn leaving the rest exposed to hostile potential clients. Without such a bill how can this be handled?
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Solomon Kariri via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> We seem to have weird ways of self destructing. I do not support the > ICT bill > #*NoToICTPractionersBill* > <https://twitter.com/hashtag/NoToICTPractionersBill?src=hash> > > Solomon Kariri, > > Software Developer, > Cell: +254721 956 172 > Skype: solomonkariri > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via skunkworks > <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Hey guys, >> Please read for yourself the Bill, which was already introduced in >> Parliament (National Assembly) >> . It among other things requires ICT professionals to acquire >> licences before they can practice, undertake annual practicums and licence >> their businesses. If the Bill is passed into law, one cannot practice ICT >> without a licence. See the Bill here: >> >> http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic... >> >> There are people organising to take action on KICTANet >> kictanet.or.ke and on Twitter #KillICTBill. >> >> Regards, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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102 needed to reach 1,000 On 6 July 2016 at 13:43, William Magachi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
who is the member of parliament who brought this bill to the house?
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:08 PM, joe mwirigi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
You’re one of 513 people to sign this petition. Now help find 487 more people to reach the goal.
we can get to 1k. Let's do it
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On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
This bill is simply to make afew politically correct people rich.
The so called rogue practitioners will still operate freely in KE !
Sign that petition
https://www.change.org/p/president-uhuru-kenyatta-say-no-to-the-ict-practiti...
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On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Sara Kagotho via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I think the initial intention was good. To curb rogue practitioners, minimize foreign sub-contracting by tenderpreneurs etc, which is actually a really huge problem in this industry. The way they're choosing to do it however, simply does not make sense, it only hurts the industry and will highly curb developments. I also don't understand why we need an ICT board while ICTA already exists. Or why they're limiting players by educational competencies in a field where the best of its people are self-taught.
Additionally, ICT is an extremely diverse field. Project managers, Strategists, Technical writers etc can all be termed as ICT practitioners yet they do not necessarily posses degrees in IT. So, who exactly is an ICT Practitioner?
So as I refuse to support this particular bill, maybe we need to open dialogue on how best to curb the issues we're facing as well, instead of waiting for people to write white papers and bills on our behalf which we then happily protest (and tweet, and rant and hashtag) against :)
Sarah Kagotho,
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On 6 July 2016 at 09:20, Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
All the current laws and constitution in Kenya protect citizens in their day to day activities. Over legislation will slow down or kill the ICT industry
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
On 6 July 2016 at 09:12, Joseph Maina via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Its all about morals We have Dentist, doctors, Architects, Engineers, who have a regulatory bodies , they have not prevented us from collapsed buildings, negligent doctors and all other things. This bill is just a way of government making money
#idontsupport it
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> I have come across rogue techies who leave clients in problems in > turn leaving the rest exposed to hostile potential clients. > Without such a bill how can this be handled? > > Regards, > Job Muriuki, > > Skype: heviejob > > > > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Solomon Kariri via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> We seem to have weird ways of self destructing. I do not support >> the ICT bill >> #*NoToICTPractionersBill* >> <https://twitter.com/hashtag/NoToICTPractionersBill?src=hash> >> >> Solomon Kariri, >> >> Software Developer, >> Cell: +254721 956 172 >> Skype: solomonkariri >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via >> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Hey guys, >>> Please read for yourself the Bill, which was already introduced in >>> Parliament (National Assembly) >>> . It among other things requires ICT professionals to acquire >>> licences before they can practice, undertake annual practicums and licence >>> their businesses. If the Bill is passed into law, one cannot practice ICT >>> without a licence. See the Bill here: >>> >>> http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic... >>> >>> There are people organising to take action on KICTANet >>> kictanet.or.ke and on Twitter #KillICTBill. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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I think someone is trying to play the *lets amend then pass *strategy they always use to pass bills. We don't want amendments to the bill. We just want it dead. Solomon Kariri, Software Developer, Cell: +254721 956 172 Skype: solomonkariri On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:53 PM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
102 needed to reach 1,000
On 6 July 2016 at 13:43, William Magachi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
who is the member of parliament who brought this bill to the house?
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:08 PM, joe mwirigi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
You’re one of 513 people to sign this petition. Now help find 487 more people to reach the goal.
we can get to 1k. Let's do it
*_______________________________________________________________We must Keep on, We can't stop here *
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
This bill is simply to make afew politically correct people rich.
The so called rogue practitioners will still operate freely in KE !
Sign that petition
https://www.change.org/p/president-uhuru-kenyatta-say-no-to-the-ict-practiti...
Regards,
Alvin Ochola 0722313923
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:00 AM, Sara Kagotho via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I think the initial intention was good. To curb rogue practitioners, minimize foreign sub-contracting by tenderpreneurs etc, which is actually a really huge problem in this industry. The way they're choosing to do it however, simply does not make sense, it only hurts the industry and will highly curb developments. I also don't understand why we need an ICT board while ICTA already exists. Or why they're limiting players by educational competencies in a field where the best of its people are self-taught.
Additionally, ICT is an extremely diverse field. Project managers, Strategists, Technical writers etc can all be termed as ICT practitioners yet they do not necessarily posses degrees in IT. So, who exactly is an ICT Practitioner?
So as I refuse to support this particular bill, maybe we need to open dialogue on how best to curb the issues we're facing as well, instead of waiting for people to write white papers and bills on our behalf which we then happily protest (and tweet, and rant and hashtag) against :)
Sarah Kagotho,
__________________________________________________________________________________ Life begins at the end of your comfort zone. Not at conception, as you may have previously heard :)
On 6 July 2016 at 09:20, Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
All the current laws and constitution in Kenya protect citizens in their day to day activities. Over legislation will slow down or kill the ICT industry
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
On 6 July 2016 at 09:12, Joseph Maina via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Its all about morals > We have Dentist, doctors, Architects, Engineers, who have a > regulatory bodies , they have not prevented us from collapsed buildings, > negligent doctors and all other things. This bill is just a way of > government making money > > #idontsupport it > > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> I have come across rogue techies who leave clients in problems in >> turn leaving the rest exposed to hostile potential clients. >> Without such a bill how can this be handled? >> >> Regards, >> Job Muriuki, >> >> Skype: heviejob >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Solomon Kariri via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> We seem to have weird ways of self destructing. I do not support >>> the ICT bill >>> #*NoToICTPractionersBill* >>> <https://twitter.com/hashtag/NoToICTPractionersBill?src=hash> >>> >>> Solomon Kariri, >>> >>> Software Developer, >>> Cell: +254721 956 172 >>> Skype: solomonkariri >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via >>> skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Hey guys, >>>> Please read for yourself the Bill, which was already introduced >>>> in Parliament (National Assembly) >>>> . It among other things requires ICT professionals to acquire >>>> licences before they can practice, undertake annual practicums and licence >>>> their businesses. If the Bill is passed into law, one cannot practice ICT >>>> without a licence. See the Bill here: >>>> >>>> http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic... >>>> >>>> There are people organising to take action on KICTANet >>>> kictanet.or.ke and on Twitter #KillICTBill. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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@Job Such problems are handled by written contracts. Most of them happen when people don't have contracts and operate based on trust. And such problems cannot be solved by one gagging 'contract'. Any cases that move away from that can be handled as criminal cases by criminal courts and a bill cant stop a criminal. I'm sure even with the bill any such criminal cases would still have to go the court way. Solomon Kariri, Software Developer, Cell: +254721 956 172 Skype: solomonkariri On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 7:59 AM, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:
I have come across rogue techies who leave clients in problems in turn leaving the rest exposed to hostile potential clients. Without such a bill how can this be handled?
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Solomon Kariri via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
We seem to have weird ways of self destructing. I do not support the ICT bill #*NoToICTPractionersBill* <https://twitter.com/hashtag/NoToICTPractionersBill?src=hash>
Solomon Kariri,
Software Developer, Cell: +254721 956 172 Skype: solomonkariri
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hey guys, Please read for yourself the Bill, which was already introduced in Parliament (National Assembly) . It among other things requires ICT professionals to acquire licences before they can practice, undertake annual practicums and licence their businesses. If the Bill is passed into law, one cannot practice ICT without a licence. See the Bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
There are people organising to take action on KICTANet kictanet.or.ke and on Twitter #KillICTBill.
Regards,
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I think people only read/heard a section of this proposed bill. I personally do not see any problem with it. Besides it's coming at a good time to curb rogue practitioners who are giving the rest of us a bad name. My two cents Regards, On 6 July 2016 at 08:59, Job Muriuki via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I have come across rogue techies who leave clients in problems in turn leaving the rest exposed to hostile potential clients. Without such a bill how can this be handled?
Regards, Job Muriuki,
Skype: heviejob
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Solomon Kariri via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
We seem to have weird ways of self destructing. I do not support the ICT bill #*NoToICTPractionersBill* <https://twitter.com/hashtag/NoToICTPractionersBill?src=hash>
Solomon Kariri,
Software Developer, Cell: +254721 956 172 Skype: solomonkariri
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 6:38 AM, Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Hey guys, Please read for yourself the Bill, which was already introduced in Parliament (National Assembly) . It among other things requires ICT professionals to acquire licences before they can practice, undertake annual practicums and licence their businesses. If the Bill is passed into law, one cannot practice ICT without a licence. See the Bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
There are people organising to take action on KICTANet kictanet.or.ke and on Twitter #KillICTBill.
Regards,
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Alvin Jason Ochieng -
Grace Mutung'u (Bomu) -
James Njoroge -
Job Muriuki -
joe mwirigi -
Joseph Maina -
Martin Chege -
Mwendwa Kivuva -
Sara Kagotho -
Solomon Kariri -
William Magachi