As of the 1st of this month anybody buying a pre-paid line in South Africa will have to provide proof of address- even tourists buying one for the short stay. Existing subscribers will have to register too or risk disconnection but the deadline has not been set. They say it's to control organised crime and now your phone can be tapped if a court order is given. Opinion is divided but is this a good or bad thing? On the outside they look justified but it's can lead to invation of privacy. One of the selling points of prepaid is ease of connection and annonymity. Any plans for the same in Kenya, Maoni?
even Tz is implementing the same On 7/8/09, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote:
As of the 1st of this month anybody buying a pre-paid line in South Africa will have to provide proof of address- even tourists buying one for the short stay. Existing subscribers will have to register too or risk disconnection but the deadline has not been set.
They say it's to control organised crime and now your phone can be tapped if a court order is given. Opinion is divided but is this a good or bad thing? On the outside they look justified but it's can lead to invation of privacy. One of the selling points of prepaid is ease of connection and annonymity. Any plans for the same in Kenya,
Maoni?
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Mike, TZ is implementing what Kenya is, just user registration, not permanent addresses... David. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:03 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
even Tz is implementing the same
On 7/8/09, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote:
As of the 1st of this month anybody buying a pre-paid line in South Africa will have to provide proof of address- even tourists buying one for the short stay. Existing subscribers will have to register too or risk disconnection but the deadline has not been set.
They say it's to control organised crime and now your phone can be tapped if a court order is given. Opinion is divided but is this a good or bad thing? On the outside they look justified but it's can lead to invation of privacy. One of the selling points of prepaid is ease of connection and annonymity. Any plans for the same in Kenya,
Maoni?
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in tz its going to be compulsory but not in Kenya since Ndemo wants the briefcase fraudster like Econet to make some profit On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike,
TZ is implementing what Kenya is, just user registration, not permanent addresses...
David.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:03 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
even Tz is implementing the same
On 7/8/09, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote:
As of the 1st of this month anybody buying a pre-paid line in South Africa will have to provide proof of address- even tourists buying one for the short stay. Existing subscribers will have to register too or risk disconnection but the deadline has not been set.
They say it's to control organised crime and now your phone can be tapped if a court order is given. Opinion is divided but is this a good or bad thing? On the outside they look justified but it's can lead to invation of privacy. One of the selling points of prepaid is ease of connection and annonymity. Any plans for the same in Kenya,
Maoni?
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I don't think Econet is a fraudster. Or maybe I just don't know. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:10 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
in tz its going to be compulsory but not in Kenya since Ndemo wants the briefcase fraudster like Econet to make some profit
On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike,
TZ is implementing what Kenya is, just user registration, not permanent addresses...
David.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:03 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
even Tz is implementing the same
On 7/8/09, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote:
As of the 1st of this month anybody buying a pre-paid line in South Africa will have to provide proof of address- even tourists buying one for the short stay. Existing subscribers will have to register too or risk disconnection but the deadline has not been set.
They say it's to control organised crime and now your phone can be tapped if a court order is given. Opinion is divided but is this a good or bad thing? On the outside they look justified but it's can lead to invation of privacy. One of the selling points of prepaid is ease of connection and annonymity. Any plans for the same in Kenya,
Maoni?
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Fraudster is a little harsh judgement for Econet, what makes you use search a term? David... On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think Econet is a fraudster. Or maybe I just don't know.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:10 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
in tz its going to be compulsory but not in Kenya since Ndemo wants the briefcase fraudster like Econet to make some profit
On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike,
TZ is implementing what Kenya is, just user registration, not permanent addresses...
David.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:03 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
even Tz is implementing the same
On 7/8/09, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote:
As of the 1st of this month anybody buying a pre-paid line in South Africa will have to provide proof of address- even tourists buying one for the short stay. Existing subscribers will have to register too or risk disconnection but the deadline has not been set.
They say it's to control organised crime and now your phone can be tapped if a court order is given. Opinion is divided but is this a good or bad thing? On the outside they look justified but it's can lead to invation of privacy. One of the selling points of prepaid is ease of connection and annonymity. Any plans for the same in Kenya,
Maoni?
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Dave The information which I have makes me know that it is a fraud. On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Fraudster is a little harsh judgement for Econet, what makes you use search a term?
David...
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think Econet is a fraudster. Or maybe I just don't know.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:10 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
in tz its going to be compulsory but not in Kenya since Ndemo wants the briefcase fraudster like Econet to make some profit
On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike,
TZ is implementing what Kenya is, just user registration, not permanent addresses...
David.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:03 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
even Tz is implementing the same
On 7/8/09, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote:
As of the 1st of this month anybody buying a pre-paid line in South Africa will have to provide proof of address- even tourists buying one for the short stay. Existing subscribers will have to register too or risk disconnection but the deadline has not been set.
They say it's to control organised crime and now your phone can be tapped if a court order is given. Opinion is divided but is this a good or bad thing? On the outside they look justified but it's can lead to invation of privacy. One of the selling points of prepaid is ease of connection and annonymity. Any plans for the same in Kenya,
Maoni?
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OK...I rest my case, maybe you can forward me offlist... David. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:18 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave
The information which I have makes me know that it is a fraud.
On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Fraudster is a little harsh judgement for Econet, what makes you use search a term?
David...
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think Econet is a fraudster. Or maybe I just don't know.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:10 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
in tz its going to be compulsory but not in Kenya since Ndemo wants the briefcase fraudster like Econet to make some profit
On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike,
TZ is implementing what Kenya is, just user registration, not permanent addresses...
David.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:03 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
even Tz is implementing the same
On 7/8/09, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote: > As of the 1st of this month anybody buying a pre-paid line in South Africa > will have to provide proof of address- even tourists buying one for the > short stay. Existing subscribers will have to register too or risk > disconnection but the deadline has not been set. > > They say it's to control organised crime and now your phone can be > tapped if > a court order is given. Opinion is divided but is this a good or bad thing? > On the outside they look justified but it's can lead to invation of privacy. > One of the selling points of prepaid is ease of connection and annonymity. > Any plans for the same in Kenya, > > Maoni? >
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Philip, Justify On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:20 PM, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
OK...I rest my case, maybe you can forward me offlist...
David.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:18 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave
The information which I have makes me know that it is a fraud.
On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Fraudster is a little harsh judgement for Econet, what makes you use search a term?
David...
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think Econet is a fraudster. Or maybe I just don't know.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:10 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
in tz its going to be compulsory but not in Kenya since Ndemo wants the briefcase fraudster like Econet to make some profit
On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike,
TZ is implementing what Kenya is, just user registration, not permanent addresses...
David.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:03 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
> even Tz is implementing the same > > On 7/8/09, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote: > > As of the 1st of this month anybody buying a pre-paid line in South > Africa > > will have to provide proof of address- even tourists buying one for the > > short stay. Existing subscribers will have to register too or risk > > disconnection but the deadline has not been set. > > > > They say it's to control organised crime and now your phone can be > > tapped > if > > a court order is given. Opinion is divided but is this a good or bad > thing? > > On the outside they look justified but it's can lead to invation of > privacy. > > One of the selling points of prepaid is ease of connection and > annonymity. > > Any plans for the same in Kenya, > > > > Maoni? > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Skunkworks announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >
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Well, I think, just like all telcom operating in Kenya, they have been duly licenced and operating legally. Now unless someone has filed a case in court and proven beyond reasonable double a fraud took place, I still stand to be corrected but Econet is not a fraud. But as I said, I stand to be corrected. Those with evidence to the contrary, file a lawsuit. That's what civilized society and people do. On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Philip, Justify
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:20 PM, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
OK...I rest my case, maybe you can forward me offlist...
David.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:18 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave
The information which I have makes me know that it is a fraud.
On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Fraudster is a little harsh judgement for Econet, what makes you use search a term?
David...
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think Econet is a fraudster. Or maybe I just don't know.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:10 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
in tz its going to be compulsory but not in Kenya since Ndemo wants the briefcase fraudster like Econet to make some profit
On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote: > Mike, > > TZ is implementing what Kenya is, just user registration, not permanent > addresses... > > David. > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:03 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote: > >> even Tz is implementing the same >> >> On 7/8/09, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote: >> > As of the 1st of this month anybody buying a pre-paid line in South >> Africa >> > will have to provide proof of address- even tourists buying one for the >> > short stay. Existing subscribers will have to register too or risk >> > disconnection but the deadline has not been set. >> > >> > They say it's to control organised crime and now your phone can be >> > tapped >> if >> > a court order is given. Opinion is divided but is this a good or bad >> thing? >> > On the outside they look justified but it's can lead to invation of >> privacy. >> > One of the selling points of prepaid is ease of connection and >> annonymity. >> > Any plans for the same in Kenya, >> > >> > Maoni? >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Skunkworks announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> > > > > -- > Got any life problems? visit www.dearkenya.com >
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@Mike: Am also interested in knowing more to that. On 08/07/2009, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Philip, Justify
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:20 PM, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
OK...I rest my case, maybe you can forward me offlist...
David.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:18 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave
The information which I have makes me know that it is a fraud.
On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Fraudster is a little harsh judgement for Econet, what makes you use search a term?
David...
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think Econet is a fraudster. Or maybe I just don't know.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:10 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
in tz its going to be compulsory but not in Kenya since Ndemo wants the briefcase fraudster like Econet to make some profit
On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote: > Mike, > > TZ is implementing what Kenya is, just user registration, not permanent > addresses... > > David. > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:03 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote: > >> even Tz is implementing the same >> >> On 7/8/09, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote: >> > As of the 1st of this month anybody buying a pre-paid line in South >> Africa >> > will have to provide proof of address- even tourists buying one for the >> > short stay. Existing subscribers will have to register too or risk >> > disconnection but the deadline has not been set. >> > >> > They say it's to control organised crime and now your phone can be >> > tapped >> if >> > a court order is given. Opinion is divided but is this a good or bad >> thing? >> > On the outside they look justified but it's can lead to invation of >> privacy. >> > One of the selling points of prepaid is ease of connection and >> annonymity. >> > Any plans for the same in Kenya, >> > >> > Maoni? >> > >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Skunkworks announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> > > > > -- > Got any life problems? visit www.dearkenya.com >
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Tell us online every single detail. Knowledge is power On 7/8/09, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
@Mike: Am also interested in knowing more to that.
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Philip, Justify
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:20 PM, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
OK...I rest my case, maybe you can forward me offlist...
David.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:18 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
Dave
The information which I have makes me know that it is a fraud.
On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Fraudster is a little harsh judgement for Econet, what makes you use search a term?
David...
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think Econet is a fraudster. Or maybe I just don't know.
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> in tz its going to be compulsory but not in Kenya since Ndemo > wants > the briefcase fraudster like Econet to make some profit > > On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote: > > Mike, > > > > TZ is implementing what Kenya is, just user registration, not permanent > > addresses... > > > > David. > > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:03 PM, mike oketch > > <mikeoketch@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> even Tz is implementing the same > >> > >> On 7/8/09, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > As of the 1st of this month anybody buying a pre-paid line in South > >> Africa > >> > will have to provide proof of address- even tourists buying one for > the > >> > short stay. Existing subscribers will have to register too or risk > >> > disconnection but the deadline has not been set. > >> > > >> > They say it's to control organised crime and now your phone > >> > can be > >> > tapped > >> if > >> > a court order is given. Opinion is divided but is this a good or bad > >> thing? > >> > On the outside they look justified but it's can lead to invation of > >> privacy. > >> > One of the selling points of prepaid is ease of connection > >> > and > >> annonymity. > >> > Any plans for the same in Kenya, > >> > > >> > Maoni? > >> > > >> > >> -- > >> Sent from my mobile device > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Skunkworks mailing list > >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >> Other lists > >> ------------- > >> Skunkworks announce: > >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > >> Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > >> kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Got any life problems? visit www.dearkenya.com > > > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Skunkworks announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >
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ok lets not start producing papers. We dont want to awake ghosts of Econet. They run deep On 7/8/09, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think Econet is a fraudster. Or maybe I just don't know.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:10 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
in tz its going to be compulsory but not in Kenya since Ndemo wants the briefcase fraudster like Econet to make some profit
On 7/8/09, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike,
TZ is implementing what Kenya is, just user registration, not permanent addresses...
David.
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 1:03 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
even Tz is implementing the same
On 7/8/09, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote:
As of the 1st of this month anybody buying a pre-paid line in South Africa will have to provide proof of address- even tourists buying one for the short stay. Existing subscribers will have to register too or risk disconnection but the deadline has not been set.
They say it's to control organised crime and now your phone can be tapped if a court order is given. Opinion is divided but is this a good or bad thing? On the outside they look justified but it's can lead to invation of privacy. One of the selling points of prepaid is ease of connection and annonymity. Any plans for the same in Kenya,
Maoni?
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in tz its going to be compulsory but not in Kenya since Ndemo wants the briefcase fraudster like Econet to make some profit
@Mike, Can we restrain ourselves and discuss issues, not personalities, please? Let's not start ridiculing anyone. It's beyond the scope of this list. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
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On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 11:10 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
in tz its going to be compulsory but not in Kenya since Ndemo wants the briefcase fraudster like Econet to make some profit
@Mike,
Can we restrain ourselves and discuss issues, not personalities, please? Let's not start ridiculing anyone. It's beyond the scope of this list.
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I thought this was a tech site not gossip.So unlesss you have evidence lets not point fingers On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:
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I think the government's approach to this issue ( the registration of the identity of mobile phone subscribers) is all wrong because it is reactionary, though its a good thing that something is being done about it. registration of subscribers is all about capturing personal information. And considering that the collection, use and management of personal information is one of the most vexing legal issues in the information age, it should not be the stuff of presidential or ministerial directives. What we need is very clear law governing the collection and use of personal information. We failed to take advantage of the opportunity to include such a law in the communications law that came into force on 2nd Jan this year and now we want to patch it up with a presidential directive - even the legal basis for such a directive is very questionable. without denying that there is need to identify the subscribers of mobile phones in order to deter phone-aided crime, there is an even more compelling need for a clear legal framework for the collection, use of and management of personal information. Michael 2009/7/21 Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com>
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This is good news.. I saw someone talking about abuse of technology .. I hv been getting impatient on how this injustice should be handled. Its come at the right time for the country & Justice should prevail in case of abuse. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Michael Murungi <michaelmurungi@gmail.com>wrote:
I think the government's approach to this issue ( the registration of the identity of mobile phone subscribers) is all wrong because it is reactionary, though its a good thing that something is being done about it. registration of subscribers is all about capturing personal information. And considering that the collection, use and management of personal information is one of the most vexing legal issues in the information age, it should not be the stuff of presidential or ministerial directives. What we need is very clear law governing the collection and use of personal information. We failed to take advantage of the opportunity to include such a law in the communications law that came into force on 2nd Jan this year and now we want to patch it up with a presidential directive - even the legal basis for such a directive is very questionable. without denying that there is need to identify the subscribers of mobile phones in order to deter phone-aided crime, there is an even more compelling need for a clear legal framework for the collection, use of and management of personal information. Michael
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seriously, how hard is it to pin a mobile signal to an area where it is most used, unless the thieves are clever enough to travel before activating the phone. in that case, get the IMEI and match it to the other sim card it was swapped from. the buggers already got fake IDs(given that they already own matatus which they "hijack"), and they can collude with shop keepers to register fake details 2009/7/22 Sam Oduor <sam.oduor@gmail.com>
This is good news.. I saw someone talking about abuse of technology .. I hv been getting impatient on how this injustice should be handled. Its come at the right time for the country & Justice should prevail in case of abuse.
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:24 PM, Michael Murungi < michaelmurungi@gmail.com> wrote:
I think the government's approach to this issue ( the registration of the identity of mobile phone subscribers) is all wrong because it is reactionary, though its a good thing that something is being done about it. registration of subscribers is all about capturing personal information. And considering that the collection, use and management of personal information is one of the most vexing legal issues in the information age, it should not be the stuff of presidential or ministerial directives. What we need is very clear law governing the collection and use of personal information. We failed to take advantage of the opportunity to include such a law in the communications law that came into force on 2nd Jan this year and now we want to patch it up with a presidential directive - even the legal basis for such a directive is very questionable. without denying that there is need to identify the subscribers of mobile phones in order to deter phone-aided crime, there is an even more compelling need for a clear legal framework for the collection, use of and management of personal information. Michael
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On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote:
As of the 1st of this month anybody buying a pre-paid line in South Africa will have to provide proof of address- even tourists buying one for the short stay. Existing subscribers will have to register too or risk disconnection but the deadline has not been set.
They say it's to control organised crime and now your phone can be tapped if a court order is given. Opinion is divided but is this a good or bad thing? On the outside they look justified but it's can lead to invation of privacy. One of the selling points of prepaid is ease of connection and annonymity. Any plans for the same in Kenya,
I think this is a good thing for security reasons. For privacy, you can always use other means of communication. If you think your phone is being monitored, you can always organize to use someone else's phone. There are no shortages of ways to get around being monitored! If you get really paranoid, you can use other means of communication. If this were to be implemented in Kenya, the "organized crime" folks can still beat the system on it. They can always use stolen/forged/fake documents to register their phones. I don't see how the guys selling the SIM cards will be able to verify the information being presented unless we have a central database of the citizens like they have in the United States (or elsewhere) where you need to use your Social Security number for most transactions. In KE, there is no _primary key_ to identify someone. For foreigners, didn't we have the Arturs traveling on fake passports, even? In all, I believe it is a good thing, the misgivings aside. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
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transactions. In KE, there is no _primary key_ to identify someone.
If you have paid attention to whats happening the _primarykey_ in KE is PIN number. If this has become the everything from Post-paid line, KPLC, Water, Bank Accounts, Car registration, Passport, Job applications and every other place you go its a requirement. I have quickly had to cram the number because i have to fill it in every now and then - ID is only being left to entry into buildings now :) Regards, Michuki.
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com>wrote:
Odhiambo ワシントン wrote:
transactions. In KE, there is no _primary key_ to identify someone.
If you have paid attention to whats happening the _primarykey_ in KE is PIN number.
If this has become the everything from Post-paid line, KPLC, Water, Bank Accounts, Car registration, Passport, Job applications and every other place you go its a requirement. I have quickly had to cram the number because i have to fill it in every now and then - ID is only being left to entry into buildings now :)
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LOL. Now, if PIN number becomes _primary key_, what happens to the underage who wants to own phones under such legislation? They use their parent's identification, right? And while at this, though off topic, I was listening to Minister Oparanya last evening saying on Radio (my car don't have the TV yet!) that during the upcoming National Census, people will still have to be made to specify their tribe! This will be used as one of the factors to be considered while .... crrrrap!! I did not listen to the rest. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
But PIN is not an ideal Primary Key. You need to be a tax payer or to have been one sometime to have a PIN Number, and even then you will need your ID first to get the PIN. We should have a universal system, issued to all Kenyans of all ages, probably at birth. It should also have you DNA signature, finger print, iris scans and so on to make it difficult to forge. On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com>wrote:
Odhiambo ワシントン wrote:
transactions. In KE, there is no _primary key_ to identify someone.
If you have paid attention to whats happening the _primarykey_ in KE is PIN number.
If this has become the everything from Post-paid line, KPLC, Water, Bank Accounts, Car registration, Passport, Job applications and every other place you go its a requirement. I have quickly had to cram the number because i have to fill it in every now and then - ID is only being left to entry into buildings now :)
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"...But PIN is not an ideal Primary Key. You need to be a tax payer..." Wrong. I am not yet a tax payer yet i got a PIN. the correct statement is that it is issued by the tax collector. As such A->B, B->C ; A does not imply C. Whois skunk works <skunkworks100@gmail.com> ???? On 09/07/2009, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
But PIN is not an ideal Primary Key. You need to be a tax payer or to have been one sometime to have a PIN Number, and even then you will need your ID first to get the PIN. We should have a universal system, issued to all Kenyans of all ages, probably at birth. It should also have you DNA signature, finger print, iris scans and so on to make it difficult to forge.
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com>wrote:
Odhiambo ワシントン wrote:
transactions. In KE, there is no _primary key_ to identify someone.
If you have paid attention to whats happening the _primarykey_ in KE is PIN number.
If this has become the everything from Post-paid line, KPLC, Water, Bank Accounts, Car registration, Passport, Job applications and every other place you go its a requirement. I have quickly had to cram the number because i have to fill it in every now and then - ID is only being left to entry into buildings now :)
Regards,
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Sawa Dennis. The fact that it is issued by the tax collector makes me associate it with tax paying. 2009/7/9 Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com>
"...But PIN is not an ideal Primary Key. You need to be a tax payer..." Wrong. I am not yet a tax payer yet i got a PIN. the correct statement is that it is issued by the tax collector. As such A->B, B->C ; A does not imply C.
Whois skunk works <skunkworks100@gmail.com> ????
On 09/07/2009, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
But PIN is not an ideal Primary Key. You need to be a tax payer or to have been one sometime to have a PIN Number, and even then you will need your ID first to get the PIN. We should have a universal system, issued to all Kenyans of all ages, probably at birth. It should also have you DNA signature, finger print, iris scans and so on to make it difficult to forge.
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com>wrote:
Odhiambo ワシントン wrote:
transactions. In KE, there is no _primary key_ to identify someone.
If you have paid attention to whats happening the _primarykey_ in KE is PIN number.
If this has become the everything from Post-paid line, KPLC, Water, Bank Accounts, Car registration, Passport, Job applications and every other place you go its a requirement. I have quickly had to cram the number because i have to fill it in every now and then - ID is only being left to entry into buildings now :)
Regards,
Michuki. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- with Regards: Manifestation of the Kenyan culture of impunity in matatus: dangerous driving, law breaking, scrambling and porn. Only at my blog: http://gramware.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Skunkworks announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi - http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
participants (15)
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Barrack Otieno -
Daniel kamau -
David Mugo -
Dennis Kioko -
Gituma Nturibi -
James Muendo -
Michael Murungi -
Michuki Mwangi -
mike oketch -
Odhiambo ワシントン -
Philip Musyoki -
Sam Oduor -
skunk works -
Solomon Mburu -
Tony Likhanga