CCK sets standards for next registrar of top level domain
Dear Colleagues, Many thanks to all those who have expressed concern over the above mentioned issue, i would like to invite all of you to submit your contributions to info@isoc.or.ke for more information please read http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/CCK-sets-standards-for-next-registrar-of-.... During the Kenya IGF we will issue a common position as the Internet Society Kenya Chapter, we will relay the same to the Communications Commission of Kenya and the Government of Kenya. We will have a session during the Kenya IGF to discuss the issue and you are all welcomed on 26 July 2013 at Strathmore University Business School. Best Regards -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
Dear Barrack and all Apologies for cross posting. Thanks for taking this up. Would be a good idea to get some really good background to this so that we can put all this in context. I mean from the historical Randy Bush and Dr.Shem Ochuodho days to the discussions that culminated in the Multi- Stakeholder MOU. The link below is instructive:- IANA Report Subject: Request of Kenya Network Information Center for Redelegation of .ke Top-Level Domain Date: 20 December 2002 The Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (the IANA), as part of the administrative functions associated with management of the domain-name system root, is responsible for receiving requests for delegation and redelegation of top-level domains, investigating the circumstances pertinent to those requests, and reporting on the requests. In June 2002, the IANA received a request for the redelegation of the .ke (Kenya) country-code top-level domain (ccTLD). This report gives the findings and conclusions of the IANA on its investigation of that request.... Read on for more background:- http://www.iana.org/reports/2002/ke-report-20dec02.html Its important that stakeholders understand why there is concern among certain quarters on this issue. Regards Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113/ 0770 906375 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Jul 18, 2013, at 10:23 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Many thanks to all those who have expressed concern over the above mentioned issue, i would like to invite all of you to submit your contributions to info@isoc.or.ke for more information please read http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/CCK-sets-standards-for-next-registrar-of-.... During the Kenya IGF we will issue a common position as the Internet Society Kenya Chapter, we will relay the same to the Communications Commission of Kenya and the Government of Kenya. We will have a session during the Kenya IGF to discuss the issue and you are all welcomed on 26 July 2013 at Strathmore University Business School.
Best Regards
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Let's be practical, has it not ever been a mutli-steak-holders outfit? Been foolhardy to present it as multi-stakeholders to the world, yet run multi-steakholders domestically. On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Many thanks to all those who have expressed concern over the above mentioned issue, i would like to invite all of you to submit your contributions to info@isoc.or.ke for more information please read http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/CCK-sets-standards-for-next-registrar-of-.... During the Kenya IGF we will issue a common position as the Internet Society Kenya Chapter, we will relay the same to the Communications Commission of Kenya and the Government of Kenya. We will have a session during the Kenya IGF to discuss the issue and you are all welcomed on 26 July 2013 at Strathmore University Business School.
Best Regards
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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Hi Alex, all, .KE is a public resource and all stakeholders have to be represented. I am keen to know which other aproach works best both for the registry and the community at large. On Jul 19, 2013 4:45 AM, "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's be practical, has it not ever been a mutli-steak-holders outfit?
Been foolhardy to present it as multi-stakeholders to the world, yet run multi-steakholders domestically.
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>
wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Many thanks to all those who have expressed concern over the above
mentioned issue, i would like to invite all of you to submit your contributions to info@isoc.or.ke for more information please read http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/CCK-sets-standards-for-next-registrar-of-.... During the Kenya IGF we will issue a common position as the Internet Society Kenya Chapter, we will relay the same to the Communications Commission of Kenya and the Government of Kenya. We will have a session during the Kenya IGF to discuss the issue and you are all welcomed on 26 July 2013 at Strathmore University Business School.
Best Regards
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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Liz, Your first sentence nails the answer to your second on the head. Therefore, the question is, "Which arrangement ensures Public Interest firmly remains on the driver's seat?" In my view, analysing the registry situation from "controlling" the resource as opposed to "optimising" its operations for maximised Public Benefit misses the whole point. Regards, Alex [Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or unintended typos] On Jul 19, 2013 8:31 AM, "Liz Orembo" <lizorembo@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Alex, all,
.KE is a public resource and all stakeholders have to be represented.
I am keen to know which other aproach works best both for the registry and the community at large.
On Jul 19, 2013 4:45 AM, "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's be practical, has it not ever been a mutli-steak-holders outfit?
Been foolhardy to present it as multi-stakeholders to the world, yet run multi-steakholders domestically.
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Barrack Otieno <
otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Many thanks to all those who have expressed concern over the above
mentioned issue, i would like to invite all of you to submit your contributions to info@isoc.or.ke for more information please read http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/CCK-sets-standards-for-next-registrar-of-.... During the Kenya IGF we will issue a common position as the Internet Society Kenya Chapter, we will relay the same to the Communications Commission of Kenya and the Government of Kenya. We will have a session during the Kenya IGF to discuss the issue and you are all welcomed on 26 July 2013 at Strathmore University Business School.
Best Regards
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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Liz, Further arrested development analogy: Do you consider your Internet connectivity affordable? If "No", know that the latest national bandwidth usage data shows that Kenyans are hardly using one-third of the available capacity. Yet the prices remain sky high and more recently "bundles" prices were actually increased. Recall: 'President pushes for low Internet connection charges to stir growth' http://www.nation.co.ke/News/President+pushes+for+low+internet+connection+ch... Just as we are wasting (leaving be iddle) available capacity, could more local domain names be registered - with appropriate interventions? Do calls for "Status quo preservation" promise the desired namespace optimal utilisation, growth and development? Regards, Alex On Jul 20, 2013 7:27 AM, "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
Liz,
Your first sentence nails the answer to your second on the head.
Therefore, the question is, "Which arrangement ensures Public Interest firmly remains on the driver's seat?"
In my view, analysing the registry situation from "controlling" the resource as opposed to "optimising" its operations for maximised Public Benefit misses the whole point.
Regards,
Alex
[Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or unintended typos] On Jul 19, 2013 8:31 AM, "Liz Orembo" <lizorembo@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Alex, all,
.KE is a public resource and all stakeholders have to be represented.
I am keen to know which other aproach works best both for the registry and the community at large.
On Jul 19, 2013 4:45 AM, "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's be practical, has it not ever been a mutli-steak-holders outfit?
Been foolhardy to present it as multi-stakeholders to the world, yet run multi-steakholders domestically.
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Barrack Otieno <
otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Many thanks to all those who have expressed concern over the above
mentioned issue, i would like to invite all of you to submit your contributions to info@isoc.or.ke for more information please read http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/CCK-sets-standards-for-next-registrar-of-.... During the Kenya IGF we will issue a common position as the Internet Society Kenya Chapter, we will relay the same to the Communications Commission of Kenya and the Government of Kenya. We will have a session during the Kenya IGF to discuss the issue and you are all welcomed on 26 July 2013 at Strathmore University Business School.
Best Regards
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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Interesting. I now get it Alex. I missed the multi steak holder part :) Seems like Kenic problems are more of governance than operational. On Jul 20, 2013 7:53 AM, "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
Liz,
Further arrested development analogy:
Do you consider your Internet connectivity affordable?
If "No", know that the latest national bandwidth usage data shows that Kenyans are hardly using one-third of the available capacity. Yet the prices remain sky high and more recently "bundles" prices were actually increased.
Recall:
'President pushes for low Internet connection charges to stir growth'
http://www.nation.co.ke/News/President+pushes+for+low+internet+connection+ch...
Just as we are wasting (leaving be iddle) available capacity, could more local domain names be registered - with appropriate interventions?
Do calls for "Status quo preservation" promise the desired namespace optimal utilisation, growth and development?
Regards,
Alex On Jul 20, 2013 7:27 AM, "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
Liz,
Your first sentence nails the answer to your second on the head.
Therefore, the question is, "Which arrangement ensures Public Interest firmly remains on the driver's seat?"
In my view, analysing the registry situation from "controlling" the resource as opposed to "optimising" its operations for maximised Public Benefit misses the whole point.
Regards,
Alex
[Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or unintended typos] On Jul 19, 2013 8:31 AM, "Liz Orembo" <lizorembo@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Alex, all,
.KE is a public resource and all stakeholders have to be represented.
I am keen to know which other aproach works best both for the registry and the community at large.
On Jul 19, 2013 4:45 AM, "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's be practical, has it not ever been a mutli-steak-holders outfit?
Been foolhardy to present it as multi-stakeholders to the world, yet run multi-steakholders domestically.
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Barrack Otieno <
otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Many thanks to all those who have expressed concern over the above
mentioned issue, i would like to invite all of you to submit your contributions to info@isoc.or.ke for more information please read http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/CCK-sets-standards-for-next-registrar-of-.... During the Kenya IGF we will issue a common position as the Internet Society Kenya Chapter, we will relay the same to the Communications Commission of Kenya and the Government of Kenya. We will have a session during the Kenya IGF to discuss the issue and you are all welcomed on 26 July 2013 at Strathmore University Business School.
Best Regards
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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Liz The issues are both governance and operational. I suspect though that if governance is resolved then operational will too. One is a symptom of the other. Regards Ali Hussein CEO | 3mice interactive media Ltd Principal | Telemedia Africa Ltd +254 713 601113/ 0770 906375 "The future belongs to him who knows how to wait." - Russian Proverb Sent from my iPad On Jul 20, 2013, at 9:50 PM, Liz Orembo <lizorembo@gmail.com> wrote:
Interesting. I now get it Alex.
I missed the multi steak holder part :)
Seems like Kenic problems are more of governance than operational.
On Jul 20, 2013 7:53 AM, "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
Liz,
Further arrested development analogy:
Do you consider your Internet connectivity affordable?
If "No", know that the latest national bandwidth usage data shows that Kenyans are hardly using one-third of the available capacity. Yet the prices remain sky high and more recently "bundles" prices were actually increased.
Recall:
'President pushes for low Internet connection charges to stir growth'
http://www.nation.co.ke/News/President+pushes+for+low+internet+connection+ch...
Just as we are wasting (leaving be iddle) available capacity, could more local domain names be registered - with appropriate interventions?
Do calls for "Status quo preservation" promise the desired namespace optimal utilisation, growth and development?
Regards,
Alex On Jul 20, 2013 7:27 AM, "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
Liz,
Your first sentence nails the answer to your second on the head.
Therefore, the question is, "Which arrangement ensures Public Interest firmly remains on the driver's seat?"
In my view, analysing the registry situation from "controlling" the resource as opposed to "optimising" its operations for maximised Public Benefit misses the whole point.
Regards,
Alex
[Sent from my tiny screen wireless device. Excuse mobile brevity and or unintended typos]
On Jul 19, 2013 8:31 AM, "Liz Orembo" <lizorembo@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Alex, all,
.KE is a public resource and all stakeholders have to be represented.
I am keen to know which other aproach works best both for the registry and the community at large.
On Jul 19, 2013 4:45 AM, "Alex Gakuru" <gakuru@gmail.com> wrote:
Let's be practical, has it not ever been a mutli-steak-holders outfit? Been foolhardy to present it as multi-stakeholders to the world, yet run multi-steakholders domestically.
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Many thanks to all those who have expressed concern over the above mentioned issue, i would like to invite all of you to submit your contributions to info@isoc.or.ke for more information please read http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/CCK-sets-standards-for-next-registrar-of-.... During the Kenya IGF we will issue a common position as the Internet Society Kenya Chapter, we will relay the same to the Communications Commission of Kenya and the Government of Kenya. We will have a session during the Kenya IGF to discuss the issue and you are all welcomed on 26 July 2013 at Strathmore University Business School.
Best Regards
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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AlexMulti steak holder? This is a new one. Kindly elaborate. RgdsGG From: gakuru@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 04:44:47 +0300 To: otieno.barrack@gmail.com CC: isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] CCK sets standards for next registrar of top level domain Let's be practical, has it not ever been a mutli-steak-holders outfit? Been foolhardy to present it as multi-stakeholders to the world, yet run multi-steakholders domestically. On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Colleagues, Many thanks to all those who have expressed concern over the above mentioned issue, i would like to invite all of you to submit your contributions to info@isoc.or.ke for more information please read http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/CCK-sets-standards-for-next-registrar-of-.... During the Kenya IGF we will issue a common position as the Internet Society Kenya Chapter, we will relay the same to the Communications Commission of Kenya and the Government of Kenya. We will have a session during the Kenya IGF to discuss the issue and you are all welcomed on 26 July 2013 at Strathmore University Business School. Best Regards -- Barrack O. Otieno+254721325277+254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otienohttp://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/ _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc
My intuition is that Alex is talking about expense account dinners, aka back room deals, previously known in less health conscious days as smoke-filled rooms. j On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com>wrote:
Alex Multi *steak* *holder*? This is a new one. Kindly elaborate.
Rgds GG
------------------------------ From: gakuru@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 04:44:47 +0300 To: otieno.barrack@gmail.com CC: isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] CCK sets standards for next registrar of top level domain
Let's be practical, has it not ever been a mutli-steak-holders outfit? Been foolhardy to present it as multi-stakeholders to the world, yet run multi-steakholders domestically.
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com
wrote:
Dear Colleagues,
Many thanks to all those who have expressed concern over the above mentioned issue, i would like to invite all of you to submit your contributions to info@isoc.or.ke for more information please read http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/CCK-sets-standards-for-next-registrar-of-.... During the Kenya IGF we will issue a common position as the Internet Society Kenya Chapter, we will relay the same to the Communications Commission of Kenya and the Government of Kenya. We will have a session during the Kenya IGF to discuss the issue and you are all welcomed on 26 July 2013 at Strathmore University Business School.
Best Regards
-- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
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Wow! Thanks Joy. From: joly@punkcast.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 18:00:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] CCK sets standards for next registrar of top level domain To: ggithaiga@hotmail.com CC: gakuru@gmail.com; otieno.barrack@gmail.com; isoc@lists.my.co.ke My intuition is that Alex is talking about expense account dinners, aka back room deals, previously known in less health conscious days as smoke-filled rooms. j On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 5:04 PM, Grace Githaiga <ggithaiga@hotmail.com> wrote: AlexMulti steak holder? This is a new one. Kindly elaborate. RgdsGG From: gakuru@gmail.com Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 04:44:47 +0300 To: otieno.barrack@gmail.com CC: isoc@lists.my.co.ke Subject: Re: [ISOC_KE] CCK sets standards for next registrar of top level domain Let's be practical, has it not ever been a mutli-steak-holders outfit? Been foolhardy to present it as multi-stakeholders to the world, yet run multi-steakholders domestically. On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote: Dear Colleagues, Many thanks to all those who have expressed concern over the above mentioned issue, i would like to invite all of you to submit your contributions to info@isoc.or.ke for more information please read http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/CCK-sets-standards-for-next-registrar-of-.... During the Kenya IGF we will issue a common position as the Internet Society Kenya Chapter, we will relay the same to the Communications Commission of Kenya and the Government of Kenya. We will have a session during the Kenya IGF to discuss the issue and you are all welcomed on 26 July 2013 at Strathmore University Business School. Best Regards -- Barrack O. Otieno+254721325277+254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otienohttp://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/ _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc _______________________________________________ isoc mailing list isoc@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/isoc -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org -------------------------------------------------------------- -
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