how to make money without any investments using spamming googlegroups.
So the spammer mailing list group is still going strong. Now they charge rates for advertising though mpesa, which legally is not a registered business. KRA should keep track of online business and revert with tax collections for transactions in virtual world. Does google exist? try and find out..this for me was too funnny an event. Someone please mail me customer care number for google inc...
anyone from KRA on this list. Is this legal? Dear Wanabidii Before sending your adverts, please send payments of Ksh 1,000 for one day and Ksh 5,000 monthly for individuals and Ksh 15,000 monthly for corporates. Please send all payments to 0726 034 530 through MPESA or 0738 190 786 through Zap On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 2:12 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
So the spammer mailing list group is still going strong. Now they charge rates for advertising though mpesa, which legally is not a registered business. KRA should keep track of online business and revert with tax collections for transactions in virtual world.
Does google exist? try and find out..this for me was too funnny an event. Someone please mail me customer care number for google inc...
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 2:18 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
anyone from KRA on this list. Is this legal?
Dear Wanabidii
Before sending your adverts, please send payments of Ksh 1,000 for one day and Ksh 5,000 monthly for individuals and Ksh 15,000 monthly for corporates.
Please send all payments to 0726 034 530 through MPESA or 0738 190 786 through Zap
Aki, If I place an e-mail out there with my M-PEAS and ZAPPA account numbers and say you can send e-mail (don't see them as Radio/TV/Press Ads) to my list at a fee (payable via my M-PEAS/ZAPPA numbers), what is so illegal about it? I'd say it is perfectly legal. If there is a law that says "I must register my business" before being allowed to do such, then I'd say it's not legal until I do that, but in the absence thereof of any such law, then I'll be home and dry anyway, no? Anyone from KRA would tell you it is illegal without arguing why. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
wash, this is what makes it illegal, imho. under what circumstances is the money transactions taking place : is it a business or not? the money exhanged is for services rendered. part of that revenue is taxable. if the calculation of 24000 email accounts ( courtesy of spamming googlegroups ) therefore if rate per day of kshs 1,000 while say 1% want to = 24,000 kshs X 30 = 720,0000/- per month. spamming ( adverts ) is good business = 720,000/- kshs X 12 = 9,600,000/- kshs per annum. I'm not even an accountant but the figures speak for themselves. If anyone thinks this is not illegal, let me know. I'll start my own spamming thing and include gok addresses as part of it. :) 2009/4/23 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
Aki,
If I place an e-mail out there with my M-PEAS and ZAPPA account numbers and say you can send e-mail (don't see them as Radio/TV/Press Ads) to my list at a fee (payable via my M-PEAS/ZAPPA numbers), what is so illegal about it?
I'd say it is perfectly legal. If there is a law that says "I must register my business" before being allowed to do such, then I'd say it's not legal until I do that, but in the absence thereof of any such law, then I'll be home and dry anyway, no?
Anyone from KRA would tell you it is illegal without arguing why.
2009/4/23 aki <aki275@googlemail.com>:
wash, this is what makes it illegal, imho. under what circumstances is the money transactions taking place : is it a business or not? the money exhanged is for services rendered. part of that revenue is taxable.
if the calculation of 24000 email accounts ( courtesy of spamming googlegroups ) therefore if rate per day of kshs 1,000 while say 1% want to = 24,000 kshs X 30 = 720,0000/- per month.
spamming ( adverts ) is good business = 720,000/- kshs X 12 = 9,600,000/- kshs per annum.
I'm not even an accountant but the figures speak for themselves.
If anyone thinks this is not illegal, let me know. I'll start my own spamming thing and include gok addresses as part of it. :)
WHAT! quitting $DAYJOB to concentrate on spamming, now! BR, S
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
2009/4/23 aki <aki275@googlemail.com>:
wash, this is what makes it illegal, imho. under what circumstances is the money transactions taking place : is it a business or not? the money exhanged is for services rendered. part of that revenue is taxable.
if the calculation of 24000 email accounts ( courtesy of spamming googlegroups ) therefore if rate per day of kshs 1,000 while say 1% want to = 24,000 kshs X 30 = 720,0000/- per month.
spamming ( adverts ) is good business = 720,000/- kshs X 12 = 9,600,000/- kshs per annum.
I'm not even an accountant but the figures speak for themselves.
If anyone thinks this is not illegal, let me know. I'll start my own spamming thing and include gok addresses as part of it. :)
WHAT! quitting $DAYJOB to concentrate on spamming, now!
Steve, I thought you knew this already? I didn't tell you?? A spammer once offered me KES to setup a mail server for him and I did and it was more for the fun of it - getting to meet a confessed spammer, to understand his business, how the money came in, etc than anything else. It's the only time I met a spammer face to face and he quantified for me how what I always thought was a bother in my INBOX actually turned out to be real money to others. *spam* has money, no denying that, otherwise you'd not be receiving spam in the first place. You think those folks have nothing to do? Better quit your day job fast:) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." -- Mark Twain
I'm a nice person. :) All someone have to do it replicate mr spammers mail group list and sell it to some advertising or mass mailing company, creating your own own revenue while letting the mr spammers do hard work of building all those contacts. there are too many ways to exploit spammers, they loose revenue while you take their entire...now thats positive spamming! But there's a problem. Im sure googlegroups was not meant to be used commercially else they loose revenue on googleapps etc. 24000 mail account users plus traffic = 50usd X 24000 = ??? huge loss for google while spammer who setup a free googlegroup account does not pay a cent. something wrong with that picture.
WHAT! quitting $DAYJOB to concentrate on spamming, now!
Steve,
I thought you knew this already? I didn't tell you?? A spammer once offered me KES to setup a mail server for him and I did and it was more for the fun of it - getting to meet a confessed spammer, to understand his business, how the money came in, etc than anything else. It's the only time I met a spammer face to face and he quantified for me how what I always thought was a bother in my INBOX actually turned out to be real money to others. *spam* has money, no denying that, otherwise you'd not be receiving spam in the first place. You think those folks have nothing to do? Better quit your day job fast:)
final contribution, no more spamming from me.. guess where i can ( if i ever chose spamming ) forward the mail address of someone who wrote this to? pharmacy mailing list? "Am Just 26 and my hair is going. Any help to slow the process or stop it will be highly appreciated."
aki wrote:
wash, this is what makes it illegal, imho. under what circumstances is the money transactions taking place : is it a business or not? the money exhanged is for services rendered. part of that revenue is taxable.
if the calculation of 24000 email accounts ( courtesy of spamming googlegroups ) therefore if rate per day of kshs 1,000 while say 1% want to = 24,000 kshs X 30 = 720,0000/- per month.
spamming ( adverts ) is good business = 720,000/- kshs X 12 = 9,600,000/- kshs per annum.
I'm not even an accountant but the figures speak for themselves.
If anyone thinks this is not illegal, let me know. I'll start my own spamming thing and include gok addresses as part of it. :)
This is not necessarily illegal in KRA terms infact they can make money from it, the issue is whether spamming is legal and that shud probably be that ICT act to decided or Cops.
2009/4/23 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
Aki,
If I place an e-mail out there with my M-PEAS and ZAPPA account numbers and say you can send e-mail (don't see them as Radio/TV/Press Ads) to my list at a fee (payable via my M-PEAS/ZAPPA numbers), what is so illegal about it?
I'd say it is perfectly legal. If there is a law that says "I must register my business" before being allowed to do such, then I'd say it's not legal until I do that, but in the absence thereof of any such law, then I'll be home and dry anyway, no?
Anyone from KRA would tell you it is illegal without arguing why.
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So...I walk into a kenyan police station and tell the cop on duty that someone is spamming me? 2009/4/24 Ochieng Maxwell <maxwell@barua.co.ke>
aki wrote:
wash, this is what makes it illegal, imho. under what circumstances is the money transactions taking place : is it a business or not? the money exhanged is for services rendered. part of that revenue is taxable.
if the calculation of 24000 email accounts ( courtesy of spamming googlegroups ) therefore if rate per day of kshs 1,000 while say 1% want to = 24,000 kshs X 30 = 720,0000/- per month.
spamming ( adverts ) is good business = 720,000/- kshs X 12 = 9,600,000/- kshs per annum.
I'm not even an accountant but the figures speak for themselves.
If anyone thinks this is not illegal, let me know. I'll start my own spamming thing and include gok addresses as part of it. :)
This is not necessarily illegal in KRA terms infact they can make money from it, the issue is whether spamming is legal and that shud probably be that ICT act to decided or Cops.
2009/4/23 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
Aki,
If I place an e-mail out there with my M-PEAS and ZAPPA account numbers
and
say you can send e-mail (don't see them as Radio/TV/Press Ads) to my list at a fee (payable via my M-PEAS/ZAPPA numbers), what is so illegal about it?
I'd say it is perfectly legal. If there is a law that says "I must register my business" before being allowed to do such, then I'd say it's not legal until I do that, but in the absence thereof of any such law, then I'll be home and dry anyway, no?
Anyone from KRA would tell you it is illegal without arguing why.
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2009/4/24 James Mutuku <listmutuku@gmail.com>
So...I walk into a kenyan police station and tell the cop on duty that someone is spamming me?
if you ask me, they'll think you are talking about procreation ;) so that wont help much. -- Δαβίδ Will Rogers <http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/w/will_rogers.html> - "I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts."
lol! :) actually it matters no more. As others recommended filters will do great. I'm thinking of moving my mail account to a paid service so can discuss provider responsibility, blacklisting in long term. My response to the spamming thing was to understand the business aspect , both by platfrom provider and user, of it which I clearly did. Now we all can move to Las Vegas... I'll let this mr continue with his stuff and hope he understands the group borders near plenty of illegal issues in revenue collection etc. In the very near future, if anyone decides to offer hosted services please remember that any spammer can take up services and use a single mail account to cause your entire subnets to be blacklisted. Keep that in mind for those thinking about data and mail warehousing and important to have services terms and conditions to follow it through. Hey, if someone can pay you 50usd per year for a mail account and use it to generate 50000usd, while you pay for extensive traffic.
Confession: only very briefly skimmed through the ICT bill But I know there's some law against hacking (the bad kind i think).. But did they include anything about spam ? and if not... we need to ask ourselves how we missed that. On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 5:29 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
lol! :) actually it matters no more. As others recommended filters will do great. I'm thinking of moving my mail account to a paid service so can discuss provider responsibility, blacklisting in long term. My response to the spamming thing was to understand the business aspect , both by platfrom provider and user, of it which I clearly did. Now we all can move to Las Vegas... I'll let this mr continue with his stuff and hope he understands the group borders near plenty of illegal issues in revenue collection etc.
In the very near future, if anyone decides to offer hosted services please remember that any spammer can take up services and use a single mail account to cause your entire subnets to be blacklisted. Keep that in mind for those thinking about data and mail warehousing and important to have services terms and conditions to follow it through.
Hey, if someone can pay you 50usd per year for a mail account and use it to generate 50000usd, while you pay for extensive traffic.
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James Mutuku wrote:
So...I walk into a kenyan police station and tell the cop on duty that someone is spamming me?
Hehehe! that would be the ideal thing. unfortunately we are in another world so let the guy enjoy spamming you.
2009/4/24 Ochieng Maxwell <maxwell@barua.co.ke>
aki wrote:
wash, this is what makes it illegal, imho. under what circumstances is the money transactions taking place : is it a business or not? the money exhanged is for services rendered. part of that revenue is taxable.
if the calculation of 24000 email accounts ( courtesy of spamming googlegroups ) therefore if rate per day of kshs 1,000 while say 1% want
to
= 24,000 kshs X 30 = 720,0000/- per month.
spamming ( adverts ) is good business = 720,000/- kshs X 12 = 9,600,000/- kshs per annum.
I'm not even an accountant but the figures speak for themselves.
If anyone thinks this is not illegal, let me know. I'll start my own spamming thing and include gok addresses as part of it. :)
This is not necessarily illegal in KRA terms infact they can make money from it, the issue is whether spamming is legal and that shud probably be that ICT act to decided or Cops.
2009/4/23 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
Aki,
If I place an e-mail out there with my M-PEAS and ZAPPA account numbers
and
say you can send e-mail (don't see them as Radio/TV/Press Ads) to my list
at
a fee (payable via my M-PEAS/ZAPPA numbers), what is so illegal about it?
I'd say it is perfectly legal. If there is a law that says "I must
register
my business" before being allowed to do such, then I'd say it's not legal until I do that, but in the absence thereof of any such law, then I'll be home and dry anyway, no?
Anyone from KRA would tell you it is illegal without arguing why.
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Aki: Lol ....putting gok on the list and spam them ...... am still lmao. 2009/4/24 Ochieng Maxwell <maxwell@barua.co.ke>
James Mutuku wrote:
So...I walk into a kenyan police station and tell the cop on duty that someone is spamming me?
Hehehe! that would be the ideal thing. unfortunately we are in another world so let the guy enjoy spamming you.
2009/4/24 Ochieng Maxwell <maxwell@barua.co.ke>
aki wrote:
wash, this is what makes it illegal, imho. under what circumstances is the money transactions taking place : is it a business or not? the money exhanged is for services rendered. part of that revenue is taxable.
if the calculation of 24000 email accounts ( courtesy of spamming googlegroups ) therefore if rate per day of kshs 1,000 while say 1% want
to
= 24,000 kshs X 30 = 720,0000/- per month.
spamming ( adverts ) is good business = 720,000/- kshs X 12 = 9,600,000/- kshs per annum.
I'm not even an accountant but the figures speak for themselves.
If anyone thinks this is not illegal, let me know. I'll start my own spamming thing and include gok addresses as part of it. :)
This is not necessarily illegal in KRA terms infact they can make money from it, the issue is whether spamming is legal and that shud probably be that ICT act to decided or Cops.
2009/4/23 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
Aki,
If I place an e-mail out there with my M-PEAS and ZAPPA account numbers
and
say you can send e-mail (don't see them as Radio/TV/Press Ads) to my list
at
a fee (payable via my M-PEAS/ZAPPA numbers), what is so illegal about it?
I'd say it is perfectly legal. If there is a law that says "I must
register
my business" before being allowed to do such, then I'd say it's not legal until I do that, but in the absence thereof of any such law, then I'll be home and dry anyway, no?
Anyone from KRA would tell you it is illegal without arguing why.
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Is spamming illegal? Privacy issues? In the same way i would ask if telesales is illegal as well coz ive gotten many calls selling me stuff i dont want and i dont remember giving them my number( i wont mention the culprit call center because i know who they are). I guess the answer is no so the only key issues would be taxation and paper trail of the transaction as well as if I pay and dont get the service (or cant measure impact of my advert) and I want to dispute in court, can I? 2009/4/25 James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com>
Aki: Lol ....putting gok on the list and spam them ...... am still lmao.
2009/4/24 Ochieng Maxwell <maxwell@barua.co.ke>
James Mutuku wrote:
So...I walk into a kenyan police station and tell the cop on duty that someone is spamming me?
Hehehe! that would be the ideal thing. unfortunately we are in another world so let the guy enjoy spamming you.
2009/4/24 Ochieng Maxwell <maxwell@barua.co.ke>
aki wrote:
wash, this is what makes it illegal, imho. under what circumstances is the money transactions taking place : is it a business or not? the money exhanged is for services rendered. part of that revenue is taxable.
if the calculation of 24000 email accounts ( courtesy of spamming googlegroups ) therefore if rate per day of kshs 1,000 while say 1% want
to
= 24,000 kshs X 30 = 720,0000/- per month.
spamming ( adverts ) is good business = 720,000/- kshs X 12 = 9,600,000/- kshs per annum.
I'm not even an accountant but the figures speak for themselves.
If anyone thinks this is not illegal, let me know. I'll start my own spamming thing and include gok addresses as part of it. :)
This is not necessarily illegal in KRA terms infact they can make money from it, the issue is whether spamming is legal and that shud probably be that ICT act to decided or Cops.
2009/4/23 Odhiambo ワシントン <odhiambo@gmail.com>
Aki,
If I place an e-mail out there with my M-PEAS and ZAPPA account
numbers
and
say you can send e-mail (don't see them as Radio/TV/Press Ads) to my list
at
a fee (payable via my M-PEAS/ZAPPA numbers), what is so illegal about it?
I'd say it is perfectly legal. If there is a law that says "I must
register
my business" before being allowed to do such, then I'd say it's not legal until I do that, but in the absence thereof of any such law, then I'll be home and dry anyway, no?
Anyone from KRA would tell you it is illegal without arguing why.
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aki -
David Njuki -
James Muendo -
James Mutuku -
Joram Mwinamo -
Josiah Mugambi -
Ochieng Maxwell -
Odhiambo ワシントン -
Steve Muchai