Looking back at 2011, did software developers manage to achieve much in KE?
I've been going through some of my old emails this year, looked at many sites out there, and feel very disappointed that we are still at the starting line. *Can we point out top 50 innovations or software development programs that made a significant difference, whether social/economical/end user?* From January 2012, for me less time on skunks and my target focus on the asp net list and some projects that *must must must be completed*. Call it the year end blues, but I feel quite disappointed that despite my noise for many things, I don't see the progress on developer levels. Coders and developers out there, though am a hobbyist developer I'd like you to electronically push me to complete some of the commited projects I really want to get going. And I'll also electronically push you to complete your projects. Let us re-evaluate in June 2012, our commitment and aspirations to getting KE online in many various ways must materialize. Incase this year some of my comments have been hard and may have offended you in any manner whatsoever, kindly receive my apology in advance and treat my comments as a crazy passion to get us somewhere in the code world. Around us, economically things are hard and will remain so for a while but the code world allows us all to put our brains to much use to overcome above the situation in many ways. With less than 15 days to 31st Dec 2011, I want to wish you peace and an even more successful 2012 when it kicks in. Rgds. :-) Pastor Proprietary. -- "Self-proclaimed & no official backing coding street noisemaker : Pastor Propreitary--Me!"
If is folly for you to imagine that because people are not talking about their achievements, they don't have any. Plus its the consummate logical fallacy On Sun, Dec 18, 2011 at 9:06 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been going through some of my old emails this year, looked at many sites out there, and feel very disappointed that we are still at the starting line. *Can we point out top 50 innovations or software development programs that made a significant difference, whether social/economical/end user?* From January 2012, for me less time on skunks and my target focus on the asp net list and some projects that *must must must be completed*. Call it the year end blues, but I feel quite disappointed that despite my noise for many things, I don't see the progress on developer levels. Coders and developers out there, though am a hobbyist developer I'd like you to electronically push me to complete some of the commited projects I really want to get going. And I'll also electronically push you to complete your projects. Let us re-evaluate in June 2012, our commitment and aspirations to getting KE online in many various ways must materialize.
Incase this year some of my comments have been hard and may have offended you in any manner whatsoever, kindly receive my apology in advance and treat my comments as a crazy passion to get us somewhere in the code world. Around us, economically things are hard and will remain so for a while but the code world allows us all to put our brains to much use to overcome above the situation in many ways.
With less than 15 days to 31st Dec 2011, I want to wish you peace and an even more successful 2012 when it kicks in.
Rgds. :-)
Pastor Proprietary.
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@Rad, you are right that it's a folly just because people don't talk about their achievements. However, it would be nice if such data was public, thus we would have an annual summary of benchmarks and achievements. Here's something nice done by Time Magazine. : http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2029497,00.h... On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
If is folly for you to imagine that because people are not talking about their achievements, they don't have any. Plus its the consummate logical fallacy
@Aki, thanks for that link! The've made an actual Iron Man suit yet here we are unable build future-proof dykes... Does the Kenya Military make/develop/innovate/fund new technology? On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:45 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Rad, you are right that it's a folly just because people don't talk about their achievements. However, it would be nice if such data was public, thus we would have an annual summary of benchmarks and achievements. Here's something nice done by Time Magazine. : http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,2029497,00.h...
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 12:00 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
If is folly for you to imagine that because people are not talking about their achievements, they don't have any. Plus its the consummate logical fallacy
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Hi @Peter, After watching the images on TV for a few weeks now, am sorry the Kenya Military only buys armoured hummers and not armoured landrovers. The Armoured hummers have very big wheels, are super heavy and thus need much much much more fuel thus you can wonder how many fuel trucks keep the war operations going thus any war will be totally costly. Actually, only developed Nations can afford a hummer in a war zone. I don't know what happened to the use of diesel powered armoured landrovers that even the British army use in Iraq, Afghan etc. Will the army ever fund local innovation? Highly impossible, unfortunately. On the other side though, for software developers its also a real challenge. The list for 2011 for KE was not about inventors but code/developer innovations that had a large impact on social/commercial/economical/end user. This way we can understand more, see where our mistakes have been or what needs to be done to make it to the 2012 list. Asante. :-) On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki, thanks for that link! The've made an actual Iron Man suit yet here we are unable build future-proof dykes...
Does the Kenya Military make/develop/innovate/fund new technology?
if only we would appreciate our military the way professionals out there do..... On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:01 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi @Peter,
After watching the images on TV for a few weeks now, am sorry the Kenya Military only buys armoured hummers and not armoured landrovers. The Armoured hummers have very big wheels, are super heavy and thus need much much much more fuel thus you can wonder how many fuel trucks keep the war operations going thus any war will be totally costly. Actually, only developed Nations can afford a hummer in a war zone. I don't know what happened to the use of diesel powered armoured landrovers that even the British army use in Iraq, Afghan etc. Will the army ever fund local innovation? Highly impossible, unfortunately.
On the other side though, for software developers its also a real challenge. The list for 2011 for KE was not about inventors but code/developer innovations that had a large impact on social/commercial/economical/end user. This way we can understand more, see where our mistakes have been or what needs to be done to make it to the 2012 list.
Asante. :-)
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki, thanks for that link! The've made an actual Iron Man suit yet here we are unable build future-proof dykes...
Does the Kenya Military make/develop/innovate/fund new technology?
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@Areba, Appreciating what the military does is important and as always a debate-able view but since the guys/ladies on the ground are not in procurement, they would have no say. They would be the real people to say how far a hummer can take them on a single full tank compared to say a landrover with similar capacities when in a dangerious area of operations. Is an armoured landrover less reliable than a hummer? I doubt it very much. And where did we find the funds to buy a hummer, support its operational costs and keep the guzzler on the move when we cannot even sustain the basic essentials of the economy? ( maybe a seperate thread? ) Would like to keep this thread on the 2011 code/developers top 50 kist for KE. Rgds. On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:37 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
if only we would appreciate our military the way professionals out there do.....
yap! separate thread. but before we move there: several assumptions: 1: that military procurements are a one man show. 2: that little involvement is engaged with the downstream operators. 3: that the decisions are as misguided as claimed. 4: That our needs as an economy need to be met first before procurement of military hardware. The only thing i can say, KDF are secretive... Thats why local "experts" can rant about their choices and call them names and all. but as i said, look at what real military experts out there are talking about Kenyas military. Thats all.. (In fact No need for separate thread, go look for LPG)!. On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:49 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba, Appreciating what the military does is important and as always a debate-able view but since the guys/ladies on the ground are not in procurement, they would have no say. They would be the real people to say how far a hummer can take them on a single full tank compared to say a landrover with similar capacities when in a dangerious area of operations. Is an armoured landrover less reliable than a hummer? I doubt it very much. And where did we find the funds to buy a hummer, support its operational costs and keep the guzzler on the move when we cannot even sustain the basic essentials of the economy? ( maybe a seperate thread? )
Would like to keep this thread on the 2011 code/developers top 50 kist for KE.
Rgds.
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:37 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
if only we would appreciate our military the way professionals out there do.....
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 2:37 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
if only we would appreciate our military the way professionals out there do.....
I do appreciate our military, it is said that they are among the best this side of the world. I was just wondering if they do any ICT related innovations. The DOD/DARPA in US has been directly or indirectly responsible for some kick ass technology, not by coming up with innovation themselves but by funding geeks... I think I am just overwhelmed by the XOS 2 exoskeleton so my expectations are a bit unrealistic
@Areba, Ok lets do a pre-christmas and kwaheri thread for 2011 then. :-)))) Please provide info or links that we can read on what the real military experts say about KDF. Lets get this thread rolling! Rgds.
for starters, there is a free for all, mudslinging post that to a keen eye will reveal the real state of the KDF in the eyes of many. http://nairobichronicle.wordpress.com/2009/06/27/kenya-armed-forces-pix/ you might want to take a coffee and read through the conversations... On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 3:01 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba, Ok lets do a pre-christmas and kwaheri thread for 2011 then. :-))))
Please provide info or links that we can read on what the real military experts say about KDF. Lets get this thread rolling!
Rgds.
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the most authoritative site i have known for matters military is janes defense. janes.com On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 3:10 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
for starters, there is a free for all, mudslinging post that to a keen eye will reveal the real state of the KDF in the eyes of many. http://nairobichronicle.wordpress.com/2009/06/27/kenya-armed-forces-pix/
you might want to take a coffee and read through the conversations...
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 3:01 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba, Ok lets do a pre-christmas and kwaheri thread for 2011 then. :-))))
Please provide info or links that we can read on what the real military experts say about KDF. Lets get this thread rolling!
Rgds.
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@Areba thks for the links. Please summarize because all I see on the chronicle site is people own views. I searched Jane's and nothing came up either. So am a bit confused whether using a hummer or a landrover to assault any location means experts view KDF any more professionals than other foreign trained armies. Like I followed Libyan news and discovered that the small Gadaffi force was really tough force and had it not been for the combined Nato air and sea power, hundreds of Qatar special forces on the ground, French--British--US military advisers, things may have turned out very differently. some thots. :-) Rgds.
in summary: 1: a country's defense / armed forces' most significant investment: people, people, people. so compare military budget and number of boots to determine approximate spending per person. this means they can be paid better, recieve more training, spend more bullets in training, do more jumps and spend burn more fuel in mock ups, not forgetting eat better and all. this equates to BETTER MOTIVATION. 2: Military gear is generally expensive, so investing has to factor in a lot of things, serviceability, parts, training costs (for new equipment) and lifetime usage. It also has to factor in the country's strategic objectives (defense and offense) vis a vis the need for projecting force within its geopolitical sphere. This is where for instance purchasing a fighter may result in the procurement guys buying a less capable but more cheaper plane over a more capable counterpart. consider also that an expensive piece of equipment is only a missile / bad pilot / decay and rust trip away from being a very expensive bonfire. 3: Realities of the economy also dictate how strong a military is. consider this... buy some gen 4++ equipment in anticipation of escalation of hostilities and they dont come (the hostilities) for the lifetime of the equipment, or stash some alloted amount of cash for any eventuality and when hostilities come (say during a gen 5++ time), you buy the right equipment... most of the time these threats take time to build up into full scale hostilities, and just keeping enough hardware to hold off the enemy till supplies arrive may just be possible. FACT: Kenyan pilots for instance are trained in a lot of western military hardware, and a KE pilot may be quite at home in an F-16 though we have none. so when the time comes and we need to run ops in an f-16, we will have both trained man and machine capable to the task..... loads more if you just keenly go through the links i gave. its in there, you just need to be patient and read in between the lines bro!. On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 3:50 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba thks for the links. Please summarize because all I see on the chronicle site is people own views. I searched Jane's and nothing came up either. So am a bit confused whether using a hummer or a landrover to assault any location means experts view KDF any more professionals than other foreign trained armies. Like I followed Libyan news and discovered that the small Gadaffi force was really tough force and had it not been for the combined Nato air and sea power, hundreds of Qatar special forces on the ground, French--British--US military advisers, things may have turned out very differently.
some thots. :-)
Rgds.
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ow, and one other thing, your doctrine. you can decide to operate overtly (everyone knows what you have bought / acquired), or covertly as is the case with kenya. i promise you many theorists are mesmerized at some hardware pieces fished out of storage during OLI. On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:04 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
in summary:
1: a country's defense / armed forces' most significant investment: people, people, people. so compare military budget and number of boots to determine approximate spending per person. this means they can be paid better, recieve more training, spend more bullets in training, do more jumps and spend burn more fuel in mock ups, not forgetting eat better and all. this equates to BETTER MOTIVATION.
2: Military gear is generally expensive, so investing has to factor in a lot of things, serviceability, parts, training costs (for new equipment) and lifetime usage. It also has to factor in the country's strategic objectives (defense and offense) vis a vis the need for projecting force within its geopolitical sphere. This is where for instance purchasing a fighter may result in the procurement guys buying a less capable but more cheaper plane over a more capable counterpart. consider also that an expensive piece of equipment is only a missile / bad pilot / decay and rust trip away from being a very expensive bonfire.
3: Realities of the economy also dictate how strong a military is. consider this... buy some gen 4++ equipment in anticipation of escalation of hostilities and they dont come (the hostilities) for the lifetime of the equipment, or stash some alloted amount of cash for any eventuality and when hostilities come (say during a gen 5++ time), you buy the right equipment... most of the time these threats take time to build up into full scale hostilities, and just keeping enough hardware to hold off the enemy till supplies arrive may just be possible.
FACT: Kenyan pilots for instance are trained in a lot of western military hardware, and a KE pilot may be quite at home in an F-16 though we have none. so when the time comes and we need to run ops in an f-16, we will have both trained man and machine capable to the task.....
loads more if you just keenly go through the links i gave. its in there, you just need to be patient and read in between the lines bro!.
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 3:50 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba thks for the links. Please summarize because all I see on the chronicle site is people own views. I searched Jane's and nothing came up either. So am a bit confused whether using a hummer or a landrover to assault any location means experts view KDF any more professionals than other foreign trained armies. Like I followed Libyan news and discovered that the small Gadaffi force was really tough force and had it not been for the combined Nato air and sea power, hundreds of Qatar special forces on the ground, French--British--US military advisers, things may have turned out very differently.
some thots. :-)
Rgds.
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@Areba, you've completely lost me now. What's OLI? On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:07 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
ow, and one other thing, your doctrine. you can decide to operate overtly (everyone knows what you have bought / acquired), or covertly as is the case with kenya. i promise you many theorists are mesmerized at some hardware pieces fished out of storage during OLI.
I got it now! :-) I'll read the chronicle postings as you suggest and will revert back on some comments. I'm still not able to connect real experts views on KDF interms of operations, so will keep searching. What has KDF done significantly that makes it different from other armies? If you are on about hardware, then KE is nowhere close to many other Nations in Africa. Some thots. On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:10 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba, you've completely lost me now. What's OLI?
ok @aki, being covert by nature, you wont get any information anywhere about KDF. you have to fish. and as i said, its all about people people people. best trained, best motivated then best equipped. (different from heaviest equipped). On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:16 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
I got it now! :-) I'll read the chronicle postings as you suggest and will revert back on some comments. I'm still not able to connect real experts views on KDF interms of operations, so will keep searching. What has KDF done significantly that makes it different from other armies? If you are on about hardware, then KE is nowhere close to many other Nations in Africa.
Some thots.
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:10 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba, you've completely lost me now. What's OLI?
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and just in case you need spoon feeding... http://intelligencebriefs.com/?p=1085 On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:25 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
ok @aki, being covert by nature, you wont get any information anywhere about KDF. you have to fish. and as i said, its all about people people people. best trained, best motivated then best equipped. (different from heaviest equipped).
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:16 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
I got it now! :-) I'll read the chronicle postings as you suggest and will revert back on some comments. I'm still not able to connect real experts views on KDF interms of operations, so will keep searching. What has KDF done significantly that makes it different from other armies? If you are on about hardware, then KE is nowhere close to many other Nations in Africa.
Some thots.
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:10 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba, you've completely lost me now. What's OLI?
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@Areba, thnks. I also want you to watch this clip from one of the Libya news. Since I followed in much details as a matter of understanding, at 1:24 on the clip onwards listen to the sound of the big AA guns pounding a very small force in the unseen left of the frames, this I would read much later. In the clip you can see the small force return fire too. Ignore the comments on the site, just listen to the sounds in the clip with proper headphones. Then let's talk further. Can equipment cannot stop an idealogy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGte2PA4gA0&feature=related
officially i give up. On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:47 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba, thnks. I also want you to watch this clip from one of the Libya news. Since I followed in much details as a matter of understanding, at 1:24 on the clip onwards listen to the sound of the big AA guns pounding a very small force in the unseen left of the frames, this I would read much later. In the clip you can see the small force return fire too. Ignore the comments on the site, just listen to the sounds in the clip with proper headphones. Then let's talk further. Can equipment cannot stop an idealogy?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGte2PA4gA0&feature=related
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Hey @Peter, I'm not mis-directing anyone. I wanted @Areba to listen to the sounds and also the small force that was unseen which made it unique given the total destruction it was under. Going by Areba's idea that KDF is something unique, am sure you can understand the confusion on my side when trying to compare and with what. I still don't get it. :-) Rgds. On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:51 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
officially i give up.
Hehehe, classic aki misdirection :-)
Here's how I see your misdirection: Aki says: *I got it now! :-) I'll read the chronicle postings as you suggest and will revert back on some comments. I'm still not able to connect real experts views on KDF interms of operations, so will keep searching. What has KDF done significantly that makes it different from other armies? If you are on about hardware, then KE is nowhere close to many other Nations in Africa. * Brainiac said:* ...ok @aki, being covert by nature, you wont get any information anywhere about KDF...* then said:* and just in case you need spoon feeding... http://intelligencebriefs.com/?p=1085* Now, in that link, the first paragraph says: "*Across the East and Central African region, Kenya remains the most militarily powerful country. This is based on its capabilities including assets and resources at disposal besides human resources...*" It further says: ".*..Kenya has not shown neither explained its huge defense budget. Either the defense procurement keeps the details of its purchases privy to the defense industry media or high levels of corruption mirror these budgets...* " Ok, from that article, I saw this one http://intelligencebriefs.com/?p=1027which led me to this one http://articles.janes.com/extracts/extract/cafrsu/kenys120.html, which just happens to be the very first site Brainiac referred you to and from where you were unable to get any good info on KDF. Anyways, that Jane article says in part: "*The Kenyan Air Force is the largest and arguably the most professional air force in East Africa, but has begun to experience problems...*" So, assuming that janes.com and intelligencebriefs.com are factual sources, then Areba has answered your question. But you then pull a classic misdirection; from discussing about the professional rating of KDF to talking about ideology in Libya. :-) On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:21 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey @Peter, I'm not mis-directing anyone. I wanted @Areba to listen to the sounds and also the small force that was unseen which made it unique given the total destruction it was under. Going by Areba's idea that KDF is something unique, am sure you can understand the confusion on my side when trying to compare and with what. I still don't get it. :-)
Rgds.
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On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 4:51 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
officially i give up.
Hehehe, classic aki misdirection :-)
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@Peter inline below :-) On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's how I see your misdirection:
Aki says: *I got it now! :-) I'll read the chronicle postings as you suggest and will revert back on some comments. I'm still not able to connect real experts views on KDF interms of operations, so will keep searching. What has KDF done significantly that makes it different from other armies? If you are on about hardware, then KE is nowhere close to many other Nations in Africa. *
Brainiac said:* ...ok @aki, being covert by nature, you wont get any information anywhere about KDF...*
This response by @Areba is such bull. Each country has its own forces, including special forces. I don't see anything unqiue about KDF nor has @Areba provided any details, rather I read mischief with that response.. This is the same response @Rad wrote about people not talking about their code development plans and also not publishing such meaning its only him who knows thus comes on this list to make corrections to postings but still not sharing a single word on such. Inventors and Innovators worldwide are publishing their stuff so as to get recognition while we seem to be very different.
then said:* and just in case you need spoon feeding... http://intelligencebriefs.com/?p=1085*
Now, in that link, the first paragraph says: "*Across the East and Central African region, Kenya remains the most militarily powerful country. This is based on its capabilities including assets and resources at disposal besides human resources...*"
This above is not an accurate analysis. Compare us not to the smaller economic countries but to SA, Nigeria, Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia and see where we are. At one time, Rwanda was the top IT connected country in Africa, how would this anaylsis work when compared to Kenya?
It further says: ".*..Kenya has not shown neither explained its huge defense budget. Either the defense procurement keeps the details of its purchases privy to the defense industry media or high levels of corruption mirror these budgets...*"
These budgets needs to be explained since we are not at large scale war with anyone. Even if not in details but no country is exempt from buying or selling armaments without following the international protocols. Is the economy, infrastructure growth suffering because of this? We seem to be looking for donations to build roads, LPG facilties etc but are we wasting money on the other side of things? I've no idea.
Ok, from that article, I saw this one http://intelligencebriefs.com/?p=1027 which led me to this one http://articles.janes.com/extracts/extract/cafrsu/kenys120.html, which just happens to be the very first site Brainiac referred you to and from where you were unable to get any good info on KDF.
Anyways, that Jane article says in part:
"*The Kenyan Air Force is the largest and arguably the most professional air force in East Africa, but has begun to experience problems...*"
Again, jane's comparing our professionalism to what? UG and TZ or RW? If the other countries had the economy that KE has, then it would make sense for comparisons. Compare us to other stronger economies on the continent as then we can come up with some correct comparisons.
So, assuming that janes.com and intelligencebriefs.com are factual sources, then Areba has answered your question.
But you then pull a classic misdirection; from discussing about the professional rating of KDF to talking about ideology in Libya.
:-)
No one has still provided any concrete data on the professionalism standards of KDF and as such offered any comparisons either. That clip I shared has a lot to say from the action to everything else that was going on at that time if one followed the Libya story thus I wrote about the ideology angle. I can write that @Areba is the doing the classic misdirection. @Areba did not want me to push the question on the Hummers thus side tracked this thread with a classic angle "if only we appreciate our military......." My view. :-)
I have hereby concluded that the best way to engage with you Aki is in-person, and not via this mailing list, as you tend to have a way with words which leaves one either amazed at your unique insights, or totally bewildered at the same, and based on various responses to your various threads, I guess I am not alone :-( On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:21 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Peter inline below :-) On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's how I see your misdirection:
Aki says: *I got it now! :-) I'll read the chronicle postings as you suggest and will revert back on some comments. I'm still not able to connect real experts views on KDF interms of operations, so will keep searching. What has KDF done significantly that makes it different from other armies? If you are on about hardware, then KE is nowhere close to many other Nations in Africa. *
Brainiac said:* ...ok @aki, being covert by nature, you wont get any information anywhere about KDF...*
This response by @Areba is such bull. Each country has its own forces, including special forces. I don't see anything unqiue about KDF nor has @Areba provided any details, rather I read mischief with that response.. This is the same response @Rad wrote about people not talking about their code development plans and also not publishing such meaning its only him who knows thus comes on this list to make corrections to postings but still not sharing a single word on such. Inventors and Innovators worldwide are publishing their stuff so as to get recognition while we seem to be very different.
then said:* and just in case you need spoon feeding... http://intelligencebriefs.com/?p=1085*
Now, in that link, the first paragraph says: "*Across the East and Central African region, Kenya remains the most militarily powerful country. This is based on its capabilities including assets and resources at disposal besides human resources...*"
This above is not an accurate analysis. Compare us not to the smaller economic countries but to SA, Nigeria, Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia and see where we are. At one time, Rwanda was the top IT connected country in Africa, how would this anaylsis work when compared to Kenya?
It further says: ".*..Kenya has not shown neither explained its huge defense budget. Either the defense procurement keeps the details of its purchases privy to the defense industry media or high levels of corruption mirror these budgets...*"
These budgets needs to be explained since we are not at large scale war with anyone. Even if not in details but no country is exempt from buying or selling armaments without following the international protocols. Is the economy, infrastructure growth suffering because of this? We seem to be looking for donations to build roads, LPG facilties etc but are we wasting money on the other side of things? I've no idea.
Ok, from that article, I saw this one http://intelligencebriefs.com/?p=1027 which led me to this one http://articles.janes.com/extracts/extract/cafrsu/kenys120.html, which just happens to be the very first site Brainiac referred you to and from where you were unable to get any good info on KDF.
Anyways, that Jane article says in part:
"*The Kenyan Air Force is the largest and arguably the most professional air force in East Africa, but has begun to experience problems...*"
Again, jane's comparing our professionalism to what? UG and TZ or RW? If the other countries had the economy that KE has, then it would make sense for comparisons. Compare us to other stronger economies on the continent as then we can come up with some correct comparisons.
So, assuming that janes.com and intelligencebriefs.com are factual sources, then Areba has answered your question.
But you then pull a classic misdirection; from discussing about the professional rating of KDF to talking about ideology in Libya.
:-)
No one has still provided any concrete data on the professionalism standards of KDF and as such offered any comparisons either. That clip I shared has a lot to say from the action to everything else that was going on at that time if one followed the Libya story thus I wrote about the ideology angle.
I can write that @Areba is the doing the classic misdirection. @Areba did not want me to push the question on the Hummers thus side tracked this thread with a classic angle "if only we appreciate our military......."
My view. :-)
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@Peter, poolay from me, I did not mean to put such an impression forward. I spend a lot of effort in trying to learn and also get the full picture of things wherever possible. Sometimes this is not a good thing and I realize I'll have to focus more on the asp net list come next year. I know you are a super code ninja and I respect that very much. Wishing you success with your projects next year, hopefully they will shine on the top 2012 KE list of software/code innovators. :-) Cheers. On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
I have hereby concluded that the best way to engage with you Aki is in-person, and not via this mailing list, as you tend to have a way with words which leaves one either amazed at your unique insights, or totally bewildered at the same, and based on various responses to your various threads, I guess I am not alone
:-(
@aki, so according to you projection of military power is? [I bet youll say guns blazing, RPGs destroying tanks and all], and of course you would be wrong. As you would regarding the strength of the numbers, the defense budgets and the nature of oversight according to our very own laws. You seem, like those western journalists to revel in throwing snippets of information garnered from gossip media. paradoxically the very same guy asking for evidence provides none for his counter arguements, which is the kind of mentality that is surmised as "im either right or youre wrong". Which is why i gave up. as i said, much more goes into consideration for equipment purchase , running costs is just but one. there are hundreds of consideration, level of training by the engineering battalions, adaptability of mounted weapons, terrain, and of course international obligations. you dont buy an APC like you buy an IPAD, youre buying something for the long haul. Just as an example, the F-5s we have have been in production since the sixties. thats how long a fighter program lasts. we have probably used them once or twice, thats a lot of money in the hangar accumulating depreciation. and FYI, modernization is an ongoing process, the budget you complain about is not even an iota of what we need to modernize, so we make do. with the little the KDF has, they have proved themselves exceptional, we are effectively projecting our geopolitical objectives, we are protecting our interests, current and future, and we fight at night, reigning terror on enemy .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJXEL0TgHho&feature=player_embedded On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:28 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Peter, poolay from me, I did not mean to put such an impression forward. I spend a lot of effort in trying to learn and also get the full picture of things wherever possible. Sometimes this is not a good thing and I realize I'll have to focus more on the asp net list come next year.
I know you are a super code ninja and I respect that very much. Wishing you success with your projects next year, hopefully they will shine on the top 2012 KE list of software/code innovators. :-)
Cheers.
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
I have hereby concluded that the best way to engage with you Aki is in-person, and not via this mailing list, as you tend to have a way with words which leaves one either amazed at your unique insights, or totally bewildered at the same, and based on various responses to your various threads, I guess I am not alone
:-(
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Flame bait, aki? Really? Pass. On Monday, December 19, 2011, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Peter inline below :-) On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Here's how I see your misdirection:
Aki says: I got it now! :-) I'll read the chronicle postings as you suggest and
will revert back on some comments. I'm still not able to connect real experts views on KDF interms of operations, so will keep searching. What has KDF done significantly that makes it different from other armies? If you are on about hardware, then KE is nowhere close to many other Nations in Africa.
Brainiac said: ...ok @aki, being covert by nature, you wont get any information
anywhere about KDF...
This response by @Areba is such bull. Each country has its own forces, including special forces. I don't see anything unqiue about KDF nor has @Areba provided any details, rather I read mischief with that response.. This is the same response @Rad wrote about people not talking about their code development plans and also not publishing such meaning its only him who knows thus comes on this list to make corrections to postings but still not sharing a single word on such. Inventors and Innovators worldwide are publishing their stuff so as to get recognition while we seem to be very different.
then said: and just in case you need spoon feeding...
http://intelligencebriefs.com/?p=1085
Now, in that link, the first paragraph says: "Across the East and Central African region, Kenya remains the most
militarily powerful country. This is based on its capabilities including assets and resources at disposal besides human resources..."
This above is not an accurate analysis. Compare us not to the smaller economic countries but to SA, Nigeria, Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia and see where we are. At one time, Rwanda was the top IT connected country in Africa, how would this anaylsis work when compared to Kenya?
It further says: "...Kenya has not shown neither explained its huge defense budget.
Either the defense procurement keeps the details of its purchases privy to the defense industry media or high levels of corruption mirror these budgets..."
These budgets needs to be explained since we are not at large scale war with anyone. Even if not in details but no country is exempt from buying or selling armaments without following the international protocols. Is the economy, infrastructure growth suffering because of this? We seem to be looking for donations to build roads, LPG facilties etc but are we wasting money on the other side of things? I've no idea.
Ok, from that article, I saw this one
http://intelligencebriefs.com/?p=1027 which led me to this one http://articles.janes.com/extracts/extract/cafrsu/kenys120.html, which just happens to be the very first site Brainiac referred you to and from where you were unable to get any good info on KDF.
Anyways, that Jane article says in part:
"The Kenyan Air Force is the largest and arguably the most professional
air force in East Africa, but has begun to experience problems..."
Again, jane's comparing our professionalism to what? UG and TZ or RW? If the other countries had the economy that KE has, then it would make sense for comparisons. Compare us to other stronger economies on the continent as then we can come up with some correct comparisons.
So, assuming that janes.com and intelligencebriefs.com are factual
sources, then Areba has answered your question.
But you then pull a classic misdirection; from discussing about the
professional rating of KDF to talking about ideology in Libya.
:-)
No one has still provided any concrete data on the professionalism standards of KDF and as such offered any comparisons either. That clip I shared has a lot to say from the action to everything else that was going on at that time if one followed the Libya story thus I wrote about the ideology angle.
I can write that @Areba is the doing the classic misdirection. @Areba did not want me to push the question on the Hummers thus side tracked this thread with a classic angle "if only we appreciate our military......."
My view. :-)
@Rad, no flame thing and yes you can pass, no one's going to force you. As per the orginal thread your response was something I was really looking forward to but when you posted your response, I was a bit taken back. Every country and sector wants to know how they did each year, even companies have internal parties to celebrate such and speeches and presents for peformers. Me, am stuck with being having to read what you posted and clarifying to you by providing a link on time magazine. I really wanted it to be like a celebration of what other coders/developers have done this year in any sectors, but now its too late. I've no interest whatsoever in knowing and don't care either. But I think next year is another target so hopefully next december will be different. Rgds. :-) On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Flame bait, aki? Really?
Pass.
My friend you need to understand something very simple. This world owes you nothing. Accept this and you will reduce ulcers, blood pressure and other adverse reactions when you get taken aback at things like responses to your questions. I repeat, there are people who have done plenty but do not wish to elaborate. This coud be due to modesty, sensitivity, fear, laziness or they simply don't want to. I don't know. But what I can assure you is no one owes you or, anyone else, an explanation. On Monday, December 19, 2011, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Rad, no flame thing and yes you can pass, no one's going to force you. As per the orginal thread your response was something I was really looking forward to but when you posted your response, I was a bit taken back. Every country and sector wants to know how they did each year, even companies have internal parties to celebrate such and speeches and presents for peformers. Me, am stuck with being having to read what you posted and clarifying to you by providing a link on time magazine. I really wanted it to be like a celebration of what other coders/developers have done this year in any sectors, but now its too late. I've no interest whatsoever in knowing and don't care either.
But I think next year is another target so hopefully next december will be different.
Rgds. :-)
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 8:47 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Flame bait, aki? Really?
Pass.
@Rad, read the subject line and first posting on this thread. Who asked for any explanations in the thread I posted or the reasoning you post below? I guess if Business Daily wanted to do an article on Top 50 software innovations in KE 2011, then would the response would have been better? I certainly hope so. Going back to earlier this year, one of my posting in Kictanet list on the "Online Mara" made it to the Business Daily and the editor wrote to me for certain check and permissions. I told him to go ahead and use the data as was already in public domain. How many of my posts over the years have made some difference in some way? Your current kictanet thread on the Vision 2030 was derived in some way from my silly thread here on power, fuel etc and I really thank @Alice of kictanet for taking it up. I want to respond on Kictanet but when I read the various responses, it sometimes is very negative. One thing that I picked in the Kictanet discussions was about the how much knowledge Dr Ndemo had yet he has not made it to the top capacity to implement it. I even went to the extent to read about Agri-Engineering, and looked into portable crop dryers that has some ICT connection. Then as I went deeper, I realised KE's problems are much more grave in the Agri sector, no design of a portable dryer will help. There are too many variables and ICT is not yet one of them. It took weeks to sort through not only the data on Agri-engineering but also to understand the Maize situation in KE. In a lot of ways, these threads help us either learn more or to think a bit differently or do things differently. At least they do for me. I could care less about what happened in 2011 and KE developers any further on this list. I hope some people in BD or other papers will pickup on this thread and do a nice piece like the Time Magazine one. I'm done with this thread and this list. Can't wait for 2012 to start with the asp net list. Rgds. :-) On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
My friend you need to understand something very simple.
This world owes you nothing.
Accept this and you will reduce ulcers, blood pressure and other adverse reactions when you get taken aback at things like responses to your questions.
I repeat, there are people who have done plenty but do not wish to elaborate. This coud be due to modesty, sensitivity, fear, laziness or they simply don't want to. I don't know. But what I can assure you is no one owes you or, anyone else, an explanation.
@Aki KDF like north korea, china and iran is one of the most secritive force in the world so whether u google or anything else you will never know what they are capable of or who to compare with..period!..whatever is out there on the media(net,,dailies,,tvs)is mere assumptions!! On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 11:03 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Rad, read the subject line and first posting on this thread. Who asked for any explanations in the thread I posted or the reasoning you post below? I guess if Business Daily wanted to do an article on Top 50 software innovations in KE 2011, then would the response would have been better? I certainly hope so.
Going back to earlier this year, one of my posting in Kictanet list on the "Online Mara" made it to the Business Daily and the editor wrote to me for certain check and permissions. I told him to go ahead and use the data as was already in public domain. How many of my posts over the years have made some difference in some way? Your current kictanet thread on the Vision 2030 was derived in some way from my silly thread here on power, fuel etc and I really thank @Alice of kictanet for taking it up. I want to respond on Kictanet but when I read the various responses, it sometimes is very negative. One thing that I picked in the Kictanet discussions was about the how much knowledge Dr Ndemo had yet he has not made it to the top capacity to implement it. I even went to the extent to read about Agri-Engineering, and looked into portable crop dryers that has some ICT connection. Then as I went deeper, I realised KE's problems are much more grave in the Agri sector, no design of a portable dryer will help. There are too many variables and ICT is not yet one of them. It took weeks to sort through not only the data on Agri-engineering but also to understand the Maize situation in KE.
In a lot of ways, these threads help us either learn more or to think a bit differently or do things differently. At least they do for me.
I could care less about what happened in 2011 and KE developers any further on this list. I hope some people in BD or other papers will pickup on this thread and do a nice piece like the Time Magazine one.
I'm done with this thread and this list. Can't wait for 2012 to start with the asp net list.
Rgds. :-)
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
My friend you need to understand something very simple.
This world owes you nothing.
Accept this and you will reduce ulcers, blood pressure and other adverse reactions when you get taken aback at things like responses to your questions.
I repeat, there are people who have done plenty but do not wish to elaborate. This coud be due to modesty, sensitivity, fear, laziness or they simply don't want to. I don't know. But what I can assure you is no one owes you or, anyone else, an explanation.
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Since I followed Libyan events news very deeply from day one, I'll try and comment on the KDF , ofcourse as someone who does not know very much about it. This is the link @Areba provided : Night strikes by KDF : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJXEL0TgHho&feature=player_embedded When I looked at this clip, what struck really me odd was the helicopter that was firing has it's *light blinking*! Assuming that this video is real and not a training exercise, the other side would have returned fire and easily knocked out the helicopter. You can see the blinking light of the craft in the entire scene. I don't know what to make of this video. Since the helicopter had its light blinking, it is confirmed that the target was very low profile and carried no active threats, so maybe some unmanned storage facility. The other issue I have with the clip is that most of the area seems to be covered in clouds/mist, thus giving the light show effects. So what area is it? In comparison, watch this Apache Helicopter in Iraq : Despite is initial strike, those on the ground fired back until the entire location was taken out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZP0ALnc_M0 Some thots. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:01 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki KDF like north korea, china and iran is one of the most secritive force in the world so whether u google or anything else you will never know what they are capable of or who to compare with..period!..whatever is out there on the media(net,,dailies,,tvs)is mere assumptions!!
hehehehehe, aki you assume a lot in these matters, ill let you enjoy your blissful ignorance. but trust me, whether in broad daylight you get surprised by an attack by gunships such as these (or the AH-64 that you mention), the first instinct is to duck for cover. nonetheless, you might want to note that the video was shot by an IR camera, and that there were several sources of <in your words, blinking light> and as for casualties..... http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000048491&cid=4&story=Keny... On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:01 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Since I followed Libyan events news very deeply from day one, I'll try and comment on the KDF , ofcourse as someone who does not know very much about it.
This is the link @Areba provided : Night strikes by KDF : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJXEL0TgHho&feature=player_embedded When I looked at this clip, what struck really me odd was the helicopter that was firing has it's *light blinking*! Assuming that this video is real and not a training exercise, the other side would have returned fire and easily knocked out the helicopter. You can see the blinking light of the craft in the entire scene. I don't know what to make of this video. Since the helicopter had its light blinking, it is confirmed that the target was very low profile and carried no active threats, so maybe some unmanned storage facility. The other issue I have with the clip is that most of the area seems to be covered in clouds/mist, thus giving the light show effects. So what area is it?
In comparison, watch this Apache Helicopter in Iraq : Despite is initial strike, those on the ground fired back until the entire location was taken out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZP0ALnc_M0
Some thots.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:01 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki KDF like north korea, china and iran is one of the most secritive force in the world so whether u google or anything else you will never know what they are capable of or who to compare with..period!..whatever is out there on the media(net,,dailies,,tvs)is mere assumptions!!
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@Areba, The <blinking lights> is an obvious indicator of a "surprise attack" by gunships on armed camps? Let me enjoy my blissful ignorance then since am no expert :-) Out of interest, have you watched black hawk down? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3073834573272072999 Over and out. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 3:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
hehehehehe,
aki you assume a lot in these matters, ill let you enjoy your blissful ignorance. but trust me, whether in broad daylight you get surprised by an attack by gunships such as these (or the AH-64 that you mention), the first instinct is to duck for cover. nonetheless, you might want to note that the video was shot by an IR camera, and that there were several sources of <in your words, blinking light> and as for casualties.....
http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/InsidePage.php?id=2000048491&cid=4&story=Keny...
@aki, just for the record,
After watching the images on TV for a few weeks now, am sorry the Kenya Military only [*ONLY? Really brave of you.*]buys armoured hummers and not armoured landrovers. [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V_B2NbE7wA&feature=related at 0.12, Land rovers in front, humvees at the back] The Armoured hummers have very big wheels, are super heavy and thus need much much much more fuel thus you can wonder how many fuel trucks keep the war operations going thus any war will be totally costly. Actually, only developed Nations [*AKI IN HIS/HER ELEMENT AGAIN... check *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humvee#Operators, albania, chad, djibouti, uganda, zimbabwe.. very industrialized. ] can afford a hummer in a war zone. I don't know what happened to the use of diesel powered armoured landrovers that even the British army use in Iraq, Afghan etc. Will the army ever fund local innovation? Highly impossible, unfortunately.
conclusion... youre just a troll. quite similar in writing to <you know who>
@Areba, once again you come with another classic mis-direction of calling me a troll. Why are you defending the hummers when you obviously know what the costs of operating such are? Even if you got a free hummer today, would you really afford to fuel and maintain it? You don't need a degree to know that a big engine armoured vehicle consumes much more than a smaller engine vehicle. I think the issue here is getting sidetracked again, because you feel my contribution on this thread is not towards KDF. This is not true, but I had to question the images I saw on TV, given that our economy is not able to sustain essential services.
From your posting I can understand that you are pro-war so it would be difficult to have a civil discussion on the matter.
Rgds, Chief Troll. :-) On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:06 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@aki, just for the record,
After watching the images on TV for a few weeks now, am sorry the Kenya Military only [*ONLY? Really brave of you.*]buys armoured hummers and not armoured landrovers. [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V_B2NbE7wA&feature=related at 0.12, Land rovers in front, humvees at the back] The Armoured hummers have very big wheels, are super heavy and thus need much much much more fuel thus you can wonder how many fuel trucks keep the war operations going thus any war will be totally costly. Actually, only developed Nations [*AKI IN HIS/HER ELEMENT AGAIN... check *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humvee#Operators, albania, chad, djibouti, uganda, zimbabwe.. very industrialized. ] can afford a hummer in a war zone. I don't know what happened to the use of diesel powered armoured landrovers that even the British army use in Iraq, Afghan etc. Will the army ever fund local innovation? Highly impossible, unfortunately.
conclusion... youre just a troll. quite similar in writing to <you know who>
=> hahaha, images on TV? ive shared the same images showing both Humvee and Land Rover. Or did you miss the point? => Pro war? absolutely not, remember people people people? training training training? while our friends are busy buying arms and equipment. => Sidetracking you say? how convinient considering your response is on everything but the issues i raised with regard to validity of your claims. id love to know what <the issue here> is given that i seem to be sidetracking on it, that way i can give appropriate attention to the discourse. and last but not least, some claims are just not funny, like your last statement ... "given that our economy is not able to sustain essential services".... ill stop here lest i say something and regret. On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:28 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba, once again you come with another classic mis-direction of calling me a troll. Why are you defending the hummers when you obviously know what the costs of operating such are? Even if you got a free hummer today, would you really afford to fuel and maintain it? You don't need a degree to know that a big engine armoured vehicle consumes much more than a smaller engine vehicle. I think the issue here is getting sidetracked again, because you feel my contribution on this thread is not towards KDF. This is not true, but I had to question the images I saw on TV, given that our economy is not able to sustain essential services.
From your posting I can understand that you are pro-war so it would be difficult to have a civil discussion on the matter.
Rgds,
Chief Troll. :-)
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:06 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@aki, just for the record,
After watching the images on TV for a few weeks now, am sorry the Kenya Military only [*ONLY? Really brave of you.*]buys armoured hummers and not armoured landrovers. [ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V_B2NbE7wA&feature=related at 0.12, Land rovers in front, humvees at the back] The Armoured hummers have very big wheels, are super heavy and thus need much much much more fuel thus you can wonder how many fuel trucks keep the war operations going thus any war will be totally costly. Actually, only developed Nations [*AKI IN HIS/HER ELEMENT AGAIN... check * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humvee#Operators, albania, chad, djibouti, uganda, zimbabwe.. very industrialized. ] can afford a hummer in a war zone. I don't know what happened to the use of diesel powered armoured landrovers that even the British army use in Iraq, Afghan etc. Will the army ever fund local innovation? Highly impossible, unfortunately.
conclusion... youre just a troll. quite similar in writing to <you know who>
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@Areba, cheer up. Here is a hummer in trouble : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L927trslQOU :-)
@aki, i quit now. im off to google for plans for a DIY onion seeder. On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:52 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba, cheer up. Here is a hummer in trouble : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L927trslQOU :-)
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Ok @Areba, I missed this response from you. Pls find inline, from Chief Troll.. : -) On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:50 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
=> hahaha, images on TV? ive shared the same images showing both Humvee and Land Rover. Or did you miss the point?
No I did not miss the point. There are the hummers and landrovers there. But I'd love to see you get a hummer and run it.
=> Pro war? absolutely not, remember people people people? training training training? while our friends are busy buying arms and equipment.
Lets see the next few months then we can re-visit.
=> Sidetracking you say? how convinient considering your response is on everything but the issues i raised with regard to validity of your claims. id love to know what <the issue here> is given that i seem to be sidetracking on it, that way i can give appropriate attention to the discourse. and last but not least, some claims are just not funny, like your last statement ... "given that our economy is not able to sustain essential services".... ill stop here lest i say something and regret.
My validity to claims= Is the current shortages or lack off not evidence enough of essential services are in problems? Care to update this? Rgds.
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