Undersea cable cut now confirms one thing : ICT Infrastructure Vision 2030 could just be a farce....
IMHO, Not that the visions cannot be met because there are probably people working hard towards such but it is unimaginable that the so called Telecommunications sector is hiding behind the cable cut as an excuse not to maintain continuity of services delivery. At this time, I suggest a full CCK investigation into the matter and the revoking of all licenses of the Telecommunication Sector Operators and Others who have failed to maintain the continuity aspect of telecommunications services. Are we saying ALL THREE CABLES have been cut? It is the duty of CCK to ensure that within the license provisions there are clauses that ensure Public Networks maintain continuity. Nation story on Page 24: Kenyans should expect slow internet for the next 3 weeks!!!! Let this be a serious eye opener for all, should we allow this kind of things to go on. As usual corrections are welcome. :-) Rgds.
And this ship that allegedly anchored in a restricted area and cut the cable. No wonder pirates are just pissed off with ships.
I do not see the article online - full heading please so i can perform a search ...
How about revoking licenses for call drops, unterminated calls, undelivered sms/mms, a truck severs a fiber cable, non-existent radio/TV coverage, delayed/lost postal couriers ? "clauses that ensure Public Networks maintain continuity. " Isn't that the obligation for state-run parastatals ? That clause was forfeited with privatisation. And if you read your ISP contract carefully, that fine print we most often miss out, there's a legal disclaimer to that effect. However, to ensure business (not welfare) continuity, ISPs are obligated (not mandated) to maintain redundant paths. The emergency leases on Seacom cable during outage will eventually be passed down to us, one way or another. ./bernard On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 10:43 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
IMHO, Not that the visions cannot be met because there are probably people working hard towards such but it is unimaginable that the so called Telecommunications sector is hiding behind the cable cut as an excuse not to maintain continuity of services delivery. At this time, I suggest a full CCK investigation into the matter and the revoking of all licenses of the Telecommunication Sector Operators and Others who have failed to maintain the continuity aspect of telecommunications services. Are we saying ALL THREE CABLES have been cut? It is the duty of CCK to ensure that within the license provisions there are clauses that ensure Public Networks maintain continuity.
Nation story on Page 24: Kenyans should expect slow internet for the next 3 weeks!!!!
Let this be a serious eye opener for all, should we allow this kind of things to go on.
As usual corrections are welcome. :-)
Rgds.
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@Bernard, imo, Telecomunication Sector is trying to downplay the outage as an "an act of god" without acting responsibly knowing fully well that such an outcome would have happened in cable cuts. There is a strong case for it not being "an outage beyond our control" simply because the nature of telecommunications sector demands redundancies. This is NOT a business choice to made by the business owners in the sector, it is the requirements of doing business in the Telecommunications Sector. @Stephen, I read the article in the paper not online. P24. Rgds.:-)
Ok; found it; but I found this part quite odd: The accident damaged two of East Africa's major fiber optic cable systems: The East African Marine Systems (TEAMs) and the East Africa Submarine Cable System <http://www.eassy.org/>(EASSy) Question is: Why on earth would they put two separate cables on the same spot ? Or did the achor drag itself over several meters to cut both ??? Some wisdoms escape me.. (somebody missed Redundancy 101 - Location redundancy )
Both cable systems (TEAMs and EASSy) enter the same landing station, thus at some point they run in the same undersea "channel" - which is where the ship anchor accident occured. Think of it in the same way as different aircraft using the same runway to land. Regards, Brian On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok; found it; but I found this part quite odd:
The accident damaged two of East Africa's major fiber optic cable systems: The East African Marine Systems (TEAMs) and the East Africa Submarine Cable System(EASSy)
Question is: Why on earth would they put two separate cables on the same spot ? Or did the achor drag itself over several meters to cut both ???
Some wisdoms escape me.. (somebody missed Redundancy 101 - Location redundancy )
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im curious, @aki how would you have wanted them respond to this? On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com>wrote:
Both cable systems (TEAMs and EASSy) enter the same landing station, thus at some point they run in the same undersea "channel" - which is where the ship anchor accident occured. Think of it in the same way as different aircraft using the same runway to land.
Regards,
Brian
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:38 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
Ok; found it; but I found this part quite odd:
The accident damaged two of East Africa's major fiber optic cable systems: The East African Marine Systems (TEAMs) and the East Africa Submarine Cable System(EASSy)
Question is: Why on earth would they put two separate cables on the same spot ? Or did the achor drag itself over several meters to cut both ???
Some wisdoms escape me.. (somebody missed Redundancy 101 - Location redundancy )
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@Areba, If CCK has not implemented a license plan that provides and meets stringent conditions for Telecommunication Operators to adhere to, and in the matter of emergencies and redundancies, we are at a complete loss. The current situation would show further why there in no need to have local domains that are now not reachable via external traffic. Not only will the local domain be high restricted but mostly unavailable for the next 3 weeks from external requests. Rgds. :-) On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
im curious, @aki how would you have wanted them respond to this?
I wonder whether it can be argued that this incident could be accounted as "force majeure" which can be described using the following elements: Externality: The defendant must have nothing to do with the event's happening. Unpredictability: If the event could be foreseen, the defendant is obligated to have prepared for it.[4] Being unprepared for a foreseeable event leaves the defendant culpable. This standard is very strictly applied Irresistibility: The consequences of the event must have been unpreventable. Best regards, Brian On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:21 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba, If CCK has not implemented a license plan that provides and meets stringent conditions for Telecommunication Operators to adhere to, and in the matter of emergencies and redundancies, we are at a complete loss. The current situation would show further why there in no need to have local domains that are now not reachable via external traffic. Not only will the local domain be high restricted but mostly unavailable for the next 3 weeks from external requests.
Rgds. :-)
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
im curious, @aki how would you have wanted them respond to this?
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Look, this are business decisions. If you are buying Internet services from a service provider, know what you're buying. I mean what's the Internet anyway? If a cable got cut between London and new york, who would be responsible? My point here being you get what you pay for. Safaricom customers have probably felt the least effect from the outage. Customers that pay for end to end sla to a location lets say Toronto didn't even notice this outage(the ones I know didn't). Oh and yes network guys also have a responsibility to ensure things like redundancy are properly configured. So know who works where:-) They probably pay a little bit more per bit on the wire than Zuku, who I believe have an excellent access network .... The same issue will come up when buying cloud services. Read that fine print! Brian. Yes I think if I owned an ISP this would be 'force majeure'.... Gitau Sent from my iPad On 28 Feb 2012, at 13:39, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote:
I wonder whether it can be argued that this incident could be accounted as "force majeure" which can be described using the following elements:
Externality: The defendant must have nothing to do with the event's happening. Unpredictability: If the event could be foreseen, the defendant is obligated to have prepared for it.[4] Being unprepared for a foreseeable event leaves the defendant culpable. This standard is very strictly applied Irresistibility: The consequences of the event must have been unpreventable.
Best regards,
Brian
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:21 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba, If CCK has not implemented a license plan that provides and meets stringent conditions for Telecommunication Operators to adhere to, and in the matter of emergencies and redundancies, we are at a complete loss. The current situation would show further why there in no need to have local domains that are now not reachable via external traffic. Not only will the local domain be high restricted but mostly unavailable for the next 3 weeks from external requests.
Rgds. :-)
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
im curious, @aki how would you have wanted them respond to this?
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That's a hard sale, given that everyone knows that the only thing that can happen to a laid cable is a cut - now, or in the future. Thus "force majeure" can only be invoked when all redundancies have been exhausted. Since none of use wants to pay for redundant links, I propose the following. What CCK could do, is fix the price of bandwidth that has been routed on redundant fiber - to between 10 - 15% above normal rate - subject to availability, and for a limited time period. This is to say that, if one cable is cut, all traffic automatically transfers to an alternate route at less than 15% the bandwidth costs. I don't know how practical this can be, but, in addition to improving up-time for everyone at a low cost, we get to optimize use of the laid fiber, while incentivizing coopetition between the network/bandwidth providers. --- On Tue, 2/28/12, Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> wrote: From: Brian Munyao Longwe <blongwe@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Undersea cable cut now confirms one thing : ICT Infrastructure Vision 2030 could just be a farce.... To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 4:39 AM I wonder whether it can be argued that this incident could be accounted as "force majeure" which can be described using the following elements: Externality: The defendant must have nothing to do with the event's happening. Unpredictability: If the event could be foreseen, the defendant is obligated to have prepared for it.[4] Being unprepared for a foreseeable event leaves the defendant culpable. This standard is very strictly applied Irresistibility: The consequences of the event must have been unpreventable. Best regards, Brian On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:21 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Areba, If CCK has not implemented a license plan that provides and meets stringent conditions for Telecommunication Operators to adhere to, and in the matter of emergencies and redundancies, we are at a complete loss. The current situation would show further why there in no need to have local domains that are now not reachable via external traffic. Not only will the local domain be high restricted but mostly unavailable for the next 3 weeks from external requests.
Rgds. :-)
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
im curious, @aki how would you have wanted them respond to this?
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Hi @Brian, imo, "force majeure" would put the current situation in the same class as that of an earthquake or civil/political unrest which I believe it is not. The damage to a cable in a busy shipping lane carries its risk, and based on this assumption there would be a need for redundancies. Unfortunately it is the ISP/Telco/Gateway operators responsibility to assure its able to deliver on services. This is where we are told it's a business decision and not a requirement. And that is why am saying CCK, if the clauses do not exist, needs to make it a requirement not a business decision because of the nature of the Telecommunications sector. The impact of the current outage is significant enough to warrant some changes. :-) @John_Gitau. Not sure if you can respond to this, but why is it that the business decisions still charge up to 400USD for a 1Mbit capacity that is based on pricing almost 3 years old? Yet despite paying the 400USD, you would still not be able to guarantee connectivity between Nairobi to Fujairah? However, when the business person bought the capacity, they paid for the termination between those 2 points. Secondly, I don't believe you that Safaricom offers end to end SLAs. Are you saying that you are able to provide a traffic manager graph in Fujiarah based on an end-end capacity between Nairobi-Fujiarah on e.g. Teams? Please share more, as its quite interesting. :-) Rgds.
@aki i think the mere description of <redundant> may be subject to interpretation. a clever ISP could have 1:1 link and claim both to be redundant and demand to pay for the 0.15% On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:31 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi @Brian, imo, "force majeure" would put the current situation in the same class as that of an earthquake or civil/political unrest which I believe it is not. The damage to a cable in a busy shipping lane carries its risk, and based on this assumption there would be a need for redundancies. Unfortunately it is the ISP/Telco/Gateway operators responsibility to assure its able to deliver on services. This is where we are told it's a business decision and not a requirement. And that is why am saying CCK, if the clauses do not exist, needs to make it a requirement not a business decision because of the nature of the Telecommunications sector. The impact of the current outage is significant enough to warrant some changes. :-)
@John_Gitau. Not sure if you can respond to this, but why is it that the business decisions still charge up to 400USD for a 1Mbit capacity that is based on pricing almost 3 years old? Yet despite paying the 400USD, you would still not be able to guarantee connectivity between Nairobi to Fujairah? However, when the business person bought the capacity, they paid for the termination between those 2 points. Secondly, I don't believe you that Safaricom offers end to end SLAs. Are you saying that you are able to provide a traffic manager graph in Fujiarah based on an end-end capacity between Nairobi-Fujiarah on e.g. Teams? Please share more, as its quite interesting. :-)
Rgds.
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plus I think that amounts to telling them how to run their businesses. On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@aki i think the mere description of <redundant> may be subject to interpretation. a clever ISP could have 1:1 link and claim both to be redundant and demand to pay for the 0.15%
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 2:31 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi @Brian, imo, "force majeure" would put the current situation in the same class as that of an earthquake or civil/political unrest which I believe it is not. The damage to a cable in a busy shipping lane carries its risk, and based on this assumption there would be a need for redundancies. Unfortunately it is the ISP/Telco/Gateway operators responsibility to assure its able to deliver on services. This is where we are told it's a business decision and not a requirement. And that is why am saying CCK, if the clauses do not exist, needs to make it a requirement not a business decision because of the nature of the Telecommunications sector. The impact of the current outage is significant enough to warrant some changes. :-)
@John_Gitau. Not sure if you can respond to this, but why is it that the business decisions still charge up to 400USD for a 1Mbit capacity that is based on pricing almost 3 years old? Yet despite paying the 400USD, you would still not be able to guarantee connectivity between Nairobi to Fujairah? However, when the business person bought the capacity, they paid for the termination between those 2 points. Secondly, I don't believe you that Safaricom offers end to end SLAs. Are you saying that you are able to provide a traffic manager graph in Fujiarah based on an end-end capacity between Nairobi-Fujiarah on e.g. Teams? Please share more, as its quite interesting. :-)
Rgds.
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In the last 2 weeks , another 3 cables were cut by another ship - http://www.cio.co.ke/view-all-main-stories/4948-cable-cuts-whos-up-whos-down...
@ dennis how do the ships cut these cables ?? cos am assuming (1) there is good padding around the core (2) what are the chances the anchor will hit the 1 meter where the cable passes ? (am sure its not a safaricom ship sent to pre-empt the airtel 3G launch [?]) (3) do the ship anchors have rotating blades ?
Hi @Dennis, cables get cut all the time, I even remember the incident of Egypt that knocked out major connections between Europe. This situation is counted as having reached critical, and services were restored within a very short time. That is the difference. :-) Hi @Areba, I'm not saying that the Telecom sector should run its business my way or someone else's, all am saying is that the sector demands has critical needs and it should know that very well. By changing the license implications, am certain that the right business decisions will be made to ensure continuity. Telcos/ISPs spend a lot of money on everything, so why not have planning for the current problems. Does the current situation fit with the Visions? No, imo. :-) On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
In the last 2 weeks , another 3 cables were cut by another ship - http://www.cio.co.ke/view-all-main-stories/4948-cable-cuts-whos-up-whos-down...
@aki - Well it's a business. If I get a client willing to pay not just 4000, maybe I convince them to pay 10000 USD? Who are you to ask why? You can say and write all you want but in the end how people choose to run and charge for a service is between them, the customer and maybe a legal entity if it's a controlled environment. 2. Yes you can definately get a guaranteed service. Including SLA's. It depends on what you ask for. You just need to pay for it. Yes including graphs and a few sms's when a threshold gets pissed... I don't have to prove anything, I can however tell you almost anything you need is achievable. If you have a real use case for such a service I can direct you accordingly. On the other hand, if you went to an ISP and paid for 'Internet', I can assure you they never guaranteed anything out of a legal requirement; if they did they lied. I mean for a lot of people 'Facebook' is Internet. It's like 'the cloud' debate all over again. If their servers blow up do I call them because I'm required to? Nope. Infant at that point Facebook are a nuisance on my network and I don't see why my NOC is answering calls on their behalf. Gitau Sent from my iPad On 28 Feb 2012, at 14:31, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi @Brian, imo, "force majeure" would put the current situation in the same class as that of an earthquake or civil/political unrest which I believe it is not. The damage to a cable in a busy shipping lane carries its risk, and based on this assumption there would be a need for redundancies. Unfortunately it is the ISP/Telco/Gateway operators responsibility to assure its able to deliver on services. This is where we are told it's a business decision and not a requirement. And that is why am saying CCK, if the clauses do not exist, needs to make it a requirement not a business decision because of the nature of the Telecommunications sector. The impact of the current outage is significant enough to warrant some changes. :-)
@John_Gitau. Not sure if you can respond to this, but why is it that the business decisions still charge up to 400USD for a 1Mbit capacity that is based on pricing almost 3 years old? Yet despite paying the 400USD, you would still not be able to guarantee connectivity between Nairobi to Fujairah? However, when the business person bought the capacity, they paid for the termination between those 2 points. Secondly, I don't believe you that Safaricom offers end to end SLAs. Are you saying that you are able to provide a traffic manager graph in Fujiarah based on an end-end capacity between Nairobi-Fujiarah on e.g. Teams? Please share more, as its quite interesting. :-)
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@John_Gitau, inline below. :-) On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:06 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
@aki - Well it's a business. If I get a client willing to pay not just 4000, maybe I convince them to pay 10000 USD? Who are you to ask why? You can say and write all you want but in the end how people choose to run and charge for a service is between them, the customer and maybe a legal entity if it's a controlled environment.
Unfortunately the Telecom sector is not the usual business segments. It deals very closely with the public and also affects the economy in many ways therefore placing it under a different business segment open to public scrutiny.No matter how much on tries to place the "private ownership" aspects, this will never happen. The charges for example in the delivery of data services is pegged to the wholesale purchased quantities at the gateways. So for an STM-1 on Teams that is costing much less now than it did a few years ago due to the reducing amounts paid versus the initial high charges versus the returns, the rationale of putting out old prices will work with those who are not informed. Ofcourse, clients are free to pay whatever they want for such services.
2. Yes you can definately get a guaranteed service. Including SLA's. It depends on what you ask for. You just need to pay for it. Yes including graphs and a few sms's when a threshold gets pissed... I don't have to prove anything, I can however tell you almost anything you need is achievable. If you have a real use case for such a service I can direct you accordingly.
Thanks for the offer but I don't see the need of speciality rates to be paid for services such as a circuit capacity used to deliver internet services being treated as a special comodity. The standard 1:1 is enough is to set the goals clear.
On the other hand, if you went to an ISP and paid for 'Internet', I can assure you they never guaranteed anything out of a legal requirement; if they did they lied. I mean for a lot of people 'Facebook' is Internet. It's like 'the cloud' debate all over again. If their servers blow up do I call them because I'm required to? Nope. Infant at that point Facebook are a nuisance on my network and I don't see why my NOC is answering calls on their behalf.
Gitau
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One thing that is clear is that Telcos/ISPs are really retailers of internet capacity, therefore cannot guarantee any services on the internet but are supposed to guarantee the capacity of the access to the services.
From the wholesalers that the service capacities are purchased from are mostly in a position to guarantee the same capacity. If the capacities is what the retailers tweak around with that cannot carry intense facebook traffic, then yes these are where the problems begin.
Case example of @Aki being an Internet Retailer : - Buy an STM-1 pipe capacity carrying internet data @ 155Mbps,. Cost of this is say 38750USD/Month = 250USD/Mbit/Month - Retailing to 155 clients at 1Mbit 1:1 not contended capacities : ???? How much should be the markup here. 100-200%? - When the STM-1 pipe capacity is not used between 7pm-7am as the above 155 clients use for office use, what should be done with this idle capacity. Remeber that the 1:1 client was paying for 24hours use, but does not use the capacity after office hours. - I then divert the un-used capacity to some other market. Now the 7pm-7am capacity is basically free, thus would I offer free internet to home users during this time? Would I reduce the prices as it is in my position to do so? some thots. :-)
@Aki, I cannot agree more. Network operators have taken Kenyans for a major ride for a long long time. I remember paying 170K / month for a shared 1.5 mbps "internet" connection in 2008, when 99.95% of my traffic went from the ISP to Safaricom and back! I used to be sympathetic, but I'm starting to to agree with someone who said that they're just being mediocre. Perhaps it's not the networking guys alone. Look at the KCPE results SMS query joke. People have 1 full year (actually several years) to design & build a simple system for that one day, and they fail miserably.... THEN they're given the same job the following year! The infrastructure is there. It's the nefarious incentive system - that govt could go a long way in deconstructing. --- On Tue, 2/28/12, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: From: aki <aki275@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Undersea cable cut now confirms one thing : ICT Infrastructure Vision 2030 could just be a farce.... To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Tuesday, February 28, 2012, 3:34 AM @Bernard, imo, Telecomunication Sector is trying to downplay the outage as an "an act of god" without acting responsibly knowing fully well that such an outcome would have happened in cable cuts. There is a strong case for it not being "an outage beyond our control" simply because the nature of telecommunications sector demands redundancies. This is NOT a business choice to made by the business owners in the sector, it is the requirements of doing business in the Telecommunications Sector. @Stephen, I read the article in the paper not online. P24. Rgds.:-) -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
@owour About KCPE SMS; you have to understand how government contracts work. When they are given a budget of say 20million for the system - they will shop around and get the best in Kenya or Skunkworks to come for the interviews and tender/decribe their method. Then they will ask how much these 'best' want - per month; and use that to leverage the spending. Then they will throw out those CVs and higher cheaper guys at 30-50k per month on pay roll to develop the system. Then they will use 10% of the money on the actual system; and the other 90% will be used for... sdfgreertyujvgcvbnmqwe rtyuhjgvfcvbnbvxcvbqwertyujkvcxcvbn... And that is why we had such a great system [?]
Was KE the only country or was the whole (or bottom half of) EASSy & TEAMS clientele affected? How much would such a mis-anchoring would cost the country? _______________________________________________ *Without requirements or design, programming is the art of adding bugs to an empty text file.* _______________________________________________ * * 2012/2/29 ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>
@owour
About KCPE SMS; you have to understand how government contracts work.
When they are given a budget of say 20million for the system - they will shop around and get the best in Kenya or Skunkworks to come for the interviews and tender/decribe their method.
Then they will ask how much these 'best' want - per month; and use that to leverage the spending.
Then they will throw out those CVs and higher cheaper guys at 30-50k per month on pay roll to develop the system.
Then they will use 10% of the money on the actual system; and the other 90% will be used for... sdfgreertyujvgcvbnmqwe rtyuhjgvfcvbnbvxcvbqwertyujkvcxcvbn...
And that is why we had such a great system [?]
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@Ndungu, Whatever you smoke! :-) Looks like you once worked for gava! Insider info. On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:49, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
@owour
About KCPE SMS; you have to understand how government contracts work.
When they are given a budget of say 20million for the system - they will shop around and get the best in Kenya or Skunkworks to come for the interviews and tender/decribe their method.
Then they will ask how much these 'best' want - per month; and use that to leverage the spending.
Then they will throw out those CVs and higher cheaper guys at 30-50k per month on pay roll to develop the system.
Then they will use 10% of the money on the actual system; and the other 90% will be used for... sdfgreertyujvgcvbnmqwe rtyuhjgvfcvbnbvxcvbqwertyujkvcxcvbn...
And that is why we had such a great system [?]
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aki -
Bernard Mwagiru -
Bernard Owuor -
Brian Munyao Longwe -
Collins Areba -
Dennis Kioko -
James Nzomo -
John Gitau -
ndungu stephen -
Odhiambo Washington -
Philip Musyoki