Re: [Skunkworks] Can you build teams... if?
just been working backwards thro this thread...it appears Al Kags asked some qtns, and despite his many disclaimers - that his question was personal - the ICT Board still got some bashing...;-) Nway, my take is that in general the techies in Kenya are extremely good at an individual level. But we are yet to see them organise and take on the big (corporate/govt) jobs (yes, a few at KRA did that, but thats more an exception than the norm)... but again, its not entirely the Techies fault. Flash back to 1980 @ M$ - Bill Gates the techie needed Steve Ballmer to setup the institutional framework that he needed to break into the corporate world. I think there are some institutions (IFC, Govt Incubators, etc) that are trying to play Steve Ballmer for the young and technically savvy. What I dont know is how successful this has been. walu. --- On Mon, 6/29/09, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote: From: Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Can you build teams... if? To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 1:28 PM On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Al Kags<alkags@gmail.com> wrote:
Colleagues,
From Alex's rejoinder and from Barrack's response under a variated subject line, I am left with no choice but to think that this team does not have the capacity to work together as a team viz my specific questions - not without government leadership from what I understand.
I think this might be considered summarily harsh and conclusive... Hope the Board is not out to prove "how fragmented skunks are":-( It has happened before, and severally... ask why skunkwork@innovation got to be organised Board should not get touchy when their own capacity needs are pointed out...
I notice that no one bothered to answer the questions as asked and so on the specific matters I raise, I am not able to know whether or not this team has any capacity that I or the organisations I mentioned may need. Please correct me if I am mistaken, but the following questions have not been addressed:-
a) Can you form a team consisting of Project Manager (to assure everything is done in time, guide the proposal making etc); Designer (who does outstanding designs in CSS); Developer(s) who can work well with Google Aps - integrate Gmaps etc into the site; mobile developer to develop mobile apps, etc; integrator to ensure that the site is seamless?
b) Can your team come together and bid for the project in detail - including what you can put together, timelines, budgets, documentations etc? (Each member of the team would sign a contract and would be paid as an individual for their quoted rate)
c) Can the team that wins the bid implement the project in such a seamless and timely manner, delivering such high quality that the project can stand up as a model that the government, organisations and companies can use to contract you?
d) Being that this is such an untried model, would the other developers in the skunkworks arena support the winning team to ensure that they succeed in delivering the project at the highest possible quality and within the exact time they promised to do so? If yes, what is the structure that skunkworks would use to do this?
To this end, it occurs to me that the easiest option is to simply ask for companies to express interest and go that "usual route"? Interestingly a number of companies have been quick to send me expressions of interest (which defeats the purpose, if the original proposition was to give developers who are freelancers a chance?
By the way: I really do think we should not create an impression that government should hand-hold the ICT industry in terms of enterprise development. That should be the role of entrepreneurs. Government should be following the money makers - not the other way round. My views.
Cheers.
Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:29 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually it's the ICT Board that needs a senior staff member with knowledge on the subject in order to offer leadership. This has been lacking for a long time.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Al Kags<alkags@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all.
Much has been said on this forum about government, organisations and companies not giving much work to developers who do are not companies. having spoken to a few people who could give the contracts etc., i understood them to say that the concerns were that their concerns are:-
1. They cannot be assured of the freelance developers level of quality. 2. They cannot be assured of the freelance developers delivery time - that they will deliver everything they say they will at the appointed time 3. That they require too much supervision 4. That they over promise. 5. The development of a website/application requires several competences - designer, IA, developer, integrator etc. The contention is that you guys don't/won't work together as a team.
Here's a question:
If an organisation/ company was to decide to do a call for entries/ tender of sorts for a significant web project to be delivered by a team of freelance individuals from this forum, can it be done?
The sub-parts of these question are:-
a) Can you form a team consisting of Project Manager (to assure everything is done in time, guide the proposal making etc); Designer (who does outstanding designs in CSS); Developer(s) who can work well with Google Aps - integrate Gmaps etc into the site; mobile developer to develop mobile apps, etc; integrator to ensure that the site is seamless?
b) Can your team come together and bid for the project in detail - including what you can put together, timelines, budgets, documentations etc? (Each member of the team would sign a contract and would be paid as an individual for their quoted rate)
c) Can the team that wins the bid implement the project in such a seamless and timely manner, delivering such high quality that the project can stand up as a model that the government, organisations and companies can use to contract you?
d) Being that this is such an untried model, would the other developers in the skunkworks arena support the winning team to ensure that they succeed in delivering the project at the highest possible quality and within the exact time they promised to do so? If yes, what is the structure that skunkworks would use to do this?
Here's my thinking. A lot of the developers and other related professionals here are passionate and really good at what they do, and they often just need a chance. Not everyone can be employed by the 3mice etc of this world and so its a challenge to give everyone a chance.
Given the concerns expressed by the client group, the onus is on interested people here to prove to them that the model of contracting individual freelance professionals here is a workable one.
I know one organisation that would be interested in trying it out. So before they make a further move, I bring the idea here to you and ask,
what is possible?
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@Walubengo, I thought KRA got its ITMS from Chile then customized it? I always had the opinion that they must have had an extremely good reason to do that coz I believe it could have been done just as well by local developers. That PSC job system was developed locally yes? On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
just been working backwards thro this thread...it appears Al Kags asked some qtns, and despite his many disclaimers - that his question was personal - the ICT Board still got some bashing...;-)
Nway, my take is that in general the techies in Kenya are extremely good at an individual level. But we are yet to see them organise and take on the big (corporate/govt) jobs (yes, a few at KRA did that, but thats more an exception than the norm)...
but again, its not entirely the Techies fault. Flash back to 1980 @ M$ - Bill Gates the techie needed Steve Ballmer to setup the institutional framework that he needed to break into the corporate world. I think there are some institutions (IFC, Govt Incubators, etc) that are trying to play Steve Ballmer for the young and technically savvy. What I dont know is how successful this has been.
walu.
--- On *Mon, 6/29/09, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>* wrote:
From: Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Can you build teams... if? To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 1:28 PM
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Al Kags<alkags@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=alkags@gmail.com>> wrote:
Colleagues,
From Alex's rejoinder and from Barrack's response under a variated subject line, I am left with no choice but to think that this team does not have the capacity to work together as a team viz my specific questions - not without government leadership from what I understand.
I think this might be considered summarily harsh and conclusive... Hope the Board is not out to prove "how fragmented skunks are":-( It has happened before, and severally... ask why skunkwork@innovation got to be organised
Board should not get touchy when their own capacity needs are pointed out...
I notice that no one bothered to answer the questions as asked and so on the specific matters I raise, I am not able to know whether or not this team has any capacity that I or the organisations I mentioned may need. Please correct me if I am mistaken, but the following questions have not been addressed:-
a) Can you form a team consisting of Project Manager (to assure everything is done in time, guide the proposal making etc); Designer (who does outstanding designs in CSS); Developer(s) who can work well with Google Aps - integrate Gmaps etc into the site; mobile developer to develop mobile apps, etc; integrator to ensure that the site is seamless?
b) Can your team come together and bid for the project in detail - including what you can put together, timelines, budgets, documentations etc? (Each member of the team would sign a contract and would be paid as an individual for their quoted rate)
c) Can the team that wins the bid implement the project in such a seamless and timely manner, delivering such high quality that the project can stand up as a model that the government, organisations and companies can use to contract you?
d) Being that this is such an untried model, would the other developers in the skunkworks arena support the winning team to ensure that they succeed in delivering the project at the highest possible quality and within the exact time they promised to do so? If yes, what is the structure that skunkworks would use to do this?
To this end, it occurs to me that the easiest option is to simply ask for companies to express interest and go that "usual route"? Interestingly a number of companies have been quick to send me expressions of interest (which defeats the purpose, if the original proposition was to give developers who are freelancers a chance?
By the way: I really do think we should not create an impression that government should hand-hold the ICT industry in terms of enterprise development. That should be the role of entrepreneurs. Government should be following the money makers - not the other way round. My views.
Cheers.
Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:29 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>
wrote:
Actually it's the ICT Board that needs a senior staff member with knowledge on the subject in order to offer leadership. This has been lacking for a long time.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Al Kags<alkags@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=alkags@gmail.com>>
wrote:
Hi all.
Much has been said on this forum about government, organisations and companies not giving much work to developers who do are not companies. having spoken to a few people who could give the contracts etc., i understood them to say that the concerns were that their concerns are:-
1. They cannot be assured of the freelance developers level of quality. 2. They cannot be assured of the freelance developers delivery time - that they will deliver everything they say they will at the appointed time 3. That they require too much supervision 4. That they over promise. 5. The development of a website/application requires several competences - designer, IA, developer, integrator etc. The contention is that you guys don't/won't work together as a team.
Here's a question:
If an organisation/ company was to decide to do a call for entries/ tender of sorts for a significant web project to be delivered by a team of freelance individuals from this forum, can it be done?
The sub-parts of these question are:-
a) Can you form a team consisting of Project Manager (to assure everything is done in time, guide the proposal making etc); Designer (who does outstanding designs in CSS); Developer(s) who can work well with Google Aps - integrate Gmaps etc into the site; mobile developer to develop mobile apps, etc; integrator to ensure that the site is seamless?
b) Can your team come together and bid for the project in detail - including what you can put together, timelines, budgets, documentations etc? (Each member of the team would sign a contract and would be paid as an individual for their quoted rate)
c) Can the team that wins the bid implement the project in such a seamless and timely manner, delivering such high quality that the project can stand up as a model that the government, organisations and companies can use to contract you?
d) Being that this is such an untried model, would the other developers in the skunkworks arena support the winning team to ensure that they succeed in delivering the project at the highest possible quality and within the exact time they promised to do so? If yes, what is the structure that skunkworks would use to do this?
Here's my thinking. A lot of the developers and other related professionals here are passionate and really good at what they do, and they often just need a chance. Not everyone can be employed by the 3mice etc of this world and so its a challenge to give everyone a chance.
Given the concerns expressed by the client group, the onus is on interested people here to prove to them that the model of contracting individual freelance professionals here is a workable one.
I know one organisation that would be interested in trying it out. So before they make a further move, I bring the idea here to you and ask,
what is possible?
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I tend to agree with Walubengo. There tends to be a huge disconnect between business requirements/objectives and the technology. I'll give an example; Blackberry's. They were eaten up by the corporate market. They did not look good, have a nasty looking interface, but they solve a business problem. Many times we get so embroiled with giving the best technical solution, but forget to solve the problem in a *timely*manner. This is one of the reasons Microsoft wins in a corporate environment. If I have exchange installed on my server, I have my email, contacts, schedule and tasks on my laptop, server and phone seamlessly. You go to Linux, different admins recommend different products and support is dicey (unless guaranteed by the reseller and many times, the cost approaches that of purchasing Microsoft). Further from this, on doing business etc, most of the successful startups have business oriented CEO's (Google, Microsoft, etc etc). One question on the Skunkworks model though, who does legacy support? My two pence.... On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> wrote:
just been working backwards thro this thread...it appears Al Kags asked some qtns, and despite his many disclaimers - that his question was personal - the ICT Board still got some bashing...;-)
Nway, my take is that in general the techies in Kenya are extremely good at an individual level. But we are yet to see them organise and take on the big (corporate/govt) jobs (yes, a few at KRA did that, but thats more an exception than the norm)...
but again, its not entirely the Techies fault. Flash back to 1980 @ M$ - Bill Gates the techie needed Steve Ballmer to setup the institutional framework that he needed to break into the corporate world. I think there are some institutions (IFC, Govt Incubators, etc) that are trying to play Steve Ballmer for the young and technically savvy. What I dont know is how successful this has been.
walu.
--- On *Mon, 6/29/09, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>* wrote:
From: Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Can you build teams... if? To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 1:28 PM
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 11:05 AM, Al Kags<alkags@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=alkags@gmail.com>> wrote:
Colleagues,
From Alex's rejoinder and from Barrack's response under a variated subject line, I am left with no choice but to think that this team does not have the capacity to work together as a team viz my specific questions - not without government leadership from what I understand.
I think this might be considered summarily harsh and conclusive... Hope the Board is not out to prove "how fragmented skunks are":-( It has happened before, and severally... ask why skunkwork@innovation got to be organised
Board should not get touchy when their own capacity needs are pointed out...
I notice that no one bothered to answer the questions as asked and so on the specific matters I raise, I am not able to know whether or not this team has any capacity that I or the organisations I mentioned may need. Please correct me if I am mistaken, but the following questions have not been addressed:-
a) Can you form a team consisting of Project Manager (to assure everything is done in time, guide the proposal making etc); Designer (who does outstanding designs in CSS); Developer(s) who can work well with Google Aps - integrate Gmaps etc into the site; mobile developer to develop mobile apps, etc; integrator to ensure that the site is seamless?
b) Can your team come together and bid for the project in detail - including what you can put together, timelines, budgets, documentations etc? (Each member of the team would sign a contract and would be paid as an individual for their quoted rate)
c) Can the team that wins the bid implement the project in such a seamless and timely manner, delivering such high quality that the project can stand up as a model that the government, organisations and companies can use to contract you?
d) Being that this is such an untried model, would the other developers in the skunkworks arena support the winning team to ensure that they succeed in delivering the project at the highest possible quality and within the exact time they promised to do so? If yes, what is the structure that skunkworks would use to do this?
To this end, it occurs to me that the easiest option is to simply ask for companies to express interest and go that "usual route"? Interestingly a number of companies have been quick to send me expressions of interest (which defeats the purpose, if the original proposition was to give developers who are freelancers a chance?
By the way: I really do think we should not create an impression that government should hand-hold the ICT industry in terms of enterprise development. That should be the role of entrepreneurs. Government should be following the money makers - not the other way round. My views.
Cheers.
Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:29 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>
wrote:
Actually it's the ICT Board that needs a senior staff member with knowledge on the subject in order to offer leadership. This has been lacking for a long time.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Al Kags<alkags@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=alkags@gmail.com>>
wrote:
Hi all.
Much has been said on this forum about government, organisations and companies not giving much work to developers who do are not companies. having spoken to a few people who could give the contracts etc., i understood them to say that the concerns were that their concerns are:-
1. They cannot be assured of the freelance developers level of quality. 2. They cannot be assured of the freelance developers delivery time - that they will deliver everything they say they will at the appointed time 3. That they require too much supervision 4. That they over promise. 5. The development of a website/application requires several competences - designer, IA, developer, integrator etc. The contention is that you guys don't/won't work together as a team.
Here's a question:
If an organisation/ company was to decide to do a call for entries/ tender of sorts for a significant web project to be delivered by a team of freelance individuals from this forum, can it be done?
The sub-parts of these question are:-
a) Can you form a team consisting of Project Manager (to assure everything is done in time, guide the proposal making etc); Designer (who does outstanding designs in CSS); Developer(s) who can work well with Google Aps - integrate Gmaps etc into the site; mobile developer to develop mobile apps, etc; integrator to ensure that the site is seamless?
b) Can your team come together and bid for the project in detail - including what you can put together, timelines, budgets, documentations etc? (Each member of the team would sign a contract and would be paid as an individual for their quoted rate)
c) Can the team that wins the bid implement the project in such a seamless and timely manner, delivering such high quality that the project can stand up as a model that the government, organisations and companies can use to contract you?
d) Being that this is such an untried model, would the other developers in the skunkworks arena support the winning team to ensure that they succeed in delivering the project at the highest possible quality and within the exact time they promised to do so? If yes, what is the structure that skunkworks would use to do this?
Here's my thinking. A lot of the developers and other related professionals here are passionate and really good at what they do, and they often just need a chance. Not everyone can be employed by the 3mice etc of this world and so its a challenge to give everyone a chance.
Given the concerns expressed by the client group, the onus is on interested people here to prove to them that the model of contracting individual freelance professionals here is a workable one.
I know one organisation that would be interested in trying it out. So before they make a further move, I bring the idea here to you and ask,
what is possible?
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Hey Al, I'd like to go off subject a bit ( sorry listers ), since I was not aware of the official capacities on this list esle would have directed the earlier thread to your attention. ( pls correct as necessary ). - my initiative is to call on govt to remove all taxes in ICT sector for a 15 year period ( to fast pace time lost ). For internet services and internet access, VAT should be scrapped to lower costs to end users and to create cheaper access to services. For areas that do not have infrastructure or have poor facilities, the govt should allow tax breaks to businesses who are willing to setup there. CCK should also have a licensing scheme to aid community and closed networks achieve infrastucture with minimum expense. Products that assist develop such networks should be exempt from all taxes. Is there any remote chance that ICT Board can fast track this or even push it for implementation? Kenya definately needs its. I'm no economist but can go into some details of its importance.
Aki, On this specific issue, I shall reiterate that I cannot comment for the ICT Board and I will not. However, by copy of this email, I have copied the CEO of the ICT Board and he may be able to respond. Paul, kindly see Aki's enquiry on the Skunkworks list below and advice. Thanks. Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:05 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey Al, I'd like to go off subject a bit ( sorry listers ), since I was not aware of the official capacities on this list esle would have directed the earlier thread to your attention. ( pls correct as necessary ).
- my initiative is to call on govt to remove all taxes in ICT sector for a 15 year period ( to fast pace time lost ). For internet services and internet access, VAT should be scrapped to lower costs to end users and to create cheaper access to services. For areas that do not have infrastructure or have poor facilities, the govt should allow tax breaks to businesses who are willing to setup there. CCK should also have a licensing scheme to aid community and closed networks achieve infrastucture with minimum expense. Products that assist develop such networks should be exempt from all taxes.
Is there any remote chance that ICT Board can fast track this or even push it for implementation? Kenya definately needs its. I'm no economist but can go into some details of its importance.
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Cheers Al. Await to hear from Paul and anyone else who can contribute and make the proposal a reality that will help plenty. :-)
"Actually it's the ICT Board that needs a senior staff member with knowledge on the subject in order to offer leadership. This has been lacking for a long time." Sometimes we side step the real issues this is the difference between a developed and a developing economy . On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 1:13 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Cheers Al. Await to hear from Paul and anyone else who can contribute and make the proposal a reality that will help plenty. :-)
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