SAFARICOM CAN SCREW YOU ALL AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT
SAFARICOM CAN SCREW YOU ALL AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT see this http://safaricom.co.ke/innovation/terms.jsp -- KT, M: +254 722 28 98 04 www.mondeas.com “When you are busy making excuses, you are not making money, making friends, or making the world a better place. Every loser out there has an excuse as to why they’re not a winner – but at the end of the day, they’re still a loser with an excuse.” -Tana Goertz
Ken Teyie...nothing personal but your footnote down there kinda contradicts you :) On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
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AHA!! On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:45 PM, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com>wrote:
Ken Teyie...nothing personal but your footnote down there kinda contradicts you :)
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
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here is a good one "That you acknowledge that similar ideas/proposals may have been submitted to Safaricom and the submitter shall irrevocably waive all rights to institute any legal or other actions against Safaricom with respect to any act or omission on its part related to the idea/proposal." Translation = SufferingCON shall COPY your idea and say "it is a similar idea to theirs so get lost just like what happened to the so called MPESA innovator" On 6/22/10, Tony Mwai <antonymwai@gmail.com> wrote:
AHA!!
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:45 PM, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com>wrote:
Ken Teyie...nothing personal but your footnote down there kinda contradicts you :)
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
SAFARICOM CAN SCREW YOU ALL AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT see this http://safaricom.co.ke/innovation/terms.jsp -- KT, M: +254 722 28 98 04 www.mondeas.com
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...theres another thread on this same topic, sent at approx same time... ...guess the T's & C's are pissing off a whole lot of potential innovators... ...maybe (just maybe), someone needs to trim the horns off this little beast before it gets too big and drives us all out of innovation/development/business? On 6/22/10, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
here is a good one "That you acknowledge that similar ideas/proposals may have been submitted to Safaricom and the submitter shall irrevocably waive all rights to institute any legal or other actions against Safaricom with respect to any act or omission on its part related to the idea/proposal."
Translation = SufferingCON shall COPY your idea and say "it is a similar idea to theirs so get lost just like what happened to the so called MPESA innovator"
On 6/22/10, Tony Mwai <antonymwai@gmail.com> wrote:
AHA!!
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:45 PM, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com>wrote:
Ken Teyie...nothing personal but your footnote down there kinda contradicts you :)
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
SAFARICOM CAN SCREW YOU ALL AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT see this http://safaricom.co.ke/innovation/terms.jsp -- KT, M: +254 722 28 98 04 www.mondeas.com
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actualy what safaricom is doing here is harvesting ideas from poor innovators who have nothing but that.I doubt if they will want to see someone or a firm who actualy have a product.Now that we have seen the fine print we can still work with safcom with an idea they would like to adopt and ensure that it is tethered to an intellectial property certificate or anything legal.Safaricom are setting up the new six lane thika road of the internet that leads to muthaiga and mathare and it would be foolish to use outering -jogoo road and we are all headed to town On 6/22/10, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
here is a good one "That you acknowledge that similar ideas/proposals may have been submitted to Safaricom and the submitter shall irrevocably waive all rights to institute any legal or other actions against Safaricom with respect to any act or omission on its part related to the idea/proposal."
Translation = SufferingCON shall COPY your idea and say "it is a similar idea to theirs so get lost just like what happened to the so called MPESA innovator"
On 6/22/10, Tony Mwai <antonymwai@gmail.com> wrote:
AHA!!
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:45 PM, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com>wrote:
Ken Teyie...nothing personal but your footnote down there kinda contradicts you :)
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
SAFARICOM CAN SCREW YOU ALL AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT see this http://safaricom.co.ke/innovation/terms.jsp -- KT, M: +254 722 28 98 04 www.mondeas.com
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What would you rather Safaricom Say? When you moot an idea to Safaricom, it is at the realisation that technically and/or financially you lack the capacity to see the idea through. It is on the insight that Safcom is better placed to make it a reality that you approach them. You thus transfer the risk that accompanies your idea to Safcom. As an equity investor in your idea, it is only human for safcom to think egocentric and protect it's investment and at the same time be ready to absorb any risk that comes with it. The caveat is in order. Nobody draws a contract that is not in his favor and as such don't expect Safcom to. If your idea is hot and feel that the terms dont favour you...take it to Bharti/ex-Zain On 22 June 2010 13:23, matere lusitche <kenyabizideas@gmail.com> wrote:
actualy what safaricom is doing here is harvesting ideas from poor innovators who have nothing but that.I doubt if they will want to see someone or a firm who actualy have a product.Now that we have seen the fine print we can still work with safcom with an idea they would like to adopt and ensure that it is tethered to an intellectial property certificate or anything legal.Safaricom are setting up the new six lane thika road of the internet that leads to muthaiga and mathare and it would be foolish to use outering -jogoo road and we are all headed to town
On 6/22/10, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
here is a good one "That you acknowledge that similar ideas/proposals may have been submitted to Safaricom and the submitter shall irrevocably waive all rights to institute any legal or other actions against Safaricom with respect to any act or omission on its part related to the idea/proposal."
Translation = SufferingCON shall COPY your idea and say "it is a similar idea to theirs so get lost just like what happened to the so called MPESA innovator"
On 6/22/10, Tony Mwai <antonymwai@gmail.com> wrote:
AHA!!
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:45 PM, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com>wrote:
Ken Teyie...nothing personal but your footnote down there kinda contradicts you :)
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
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+1 Jared You are spot on. If it wasn't Safcom, it'd be some other regulator. If you don't like their rules, don't get in the game with them. On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:
What would you rather Safaricom Say?
When you moot an idea to Safaricom, it is at the realisation that technically and/or financially you lack the capacity to see the idea through. It is on the insight that Safcom is better placed to make it a reality that you approach them. You thus transfer the risk that accompanies your idea to Safcom. As an equity investor in your idea, it is only human for safcom to think egocentric and protect it's investment and at the same time be ready to absorb any risk that comes with it. The caveat is in order. Nobody draws a contract that is not in his favor and as such don't expect Safcom to.
If your idea is hot and feel that the terms dont favour you...take it to Bharti/ex-Zain
On 22 June 2010 13:23, matere lusitche <kenyabizideas@gmail.com> wrote:
actualy what safaricom is doing here is harvesting ideas from poor innovators who have nothing but that.I doubt if they will want to see someone or a firm who actualy have a product.Now that we have seen the fine print we can still work with safcom with an idea they would like to adopt and ensure that it is tethered to an intellectial property certificate or anything legal.Safaricom are setting up the new six lane thika road of the internet that leads to muthaiga and mathare and it would be foolish to use outering -jogoo road and we are all headed to town
On 6/22/10, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
here is a good one "That you acknowledge that similar ideas/proposals may have been submitted to Safaricom and the submitter shall irrevocably waive all rights to institute any legal or other actions against Safaricom with respect to any act or omission on its part related to the idea/proposal."
Translation = SufferingCON shall COPY your idea and say "it is a similar idea to theirs so get lost just like what happened to the so called MPESA innovator"
On 6/22/10, Tony Mwai <antonymwai@gmail.com> wrote:
AHA!!
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:45 PM, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com>wrote:
Ken Teyie...nothing personal but your footnote down there kinda contradicts you :)
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
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lets give credit where credit is due. at least safcoN has the courtesy to tell you this in advance - WE SHALL STEAL YOUR IDEA & USE IT ANY WAY WE LIKE. innovators/devs now know who NOT to work with/partner. this is good thing, no! <your interpretation may vary> otoh, what about the other providers? what are their T&Cs ? On 6/22/10, James Sudi <james.sudi@hotmail.com> wrote:
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How about innovators target Safaricom's rivals i.e. Orange, YU or Zain? And how vigorously do these Safcom rivals try to seek out talent among college students and independent innovators with a view to enhance their value addition services? I don't see them doing much, but maybe I am "behind news". Me. On 22 June 2010 14:16, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:
lets give credit where credit is due. at least safcoN has the courtesy to tell you this in advance - WE SHALL STEAL YOUR IDEA & USE IT ANY WAY WE LIKE. innovators/devs now know who NOT to work with/partner. this is good thing, no!
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otoh, what about the other providers? what are their T&Cs ?
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That Safaricom may use or redistribute the submissions and their contents for any purpose and in any way; THIS IS THEFT KWA MABAVU of intelligence On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:06 PM, Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>wrote:
How about innovators target Safaricom's rivals i.e. Orange, YU or Zain? And how vigorously do these Safcom rivals try to seek out talent among college students and independent innovators with a view to enhance their value addition services? I don't see them doing much, but maybe I am "behind news".
Me.
On 22 June 2010 14:16, MotoBaridi <motobaridi@gmail.com> wrote:
lets give credit where credit is due. at least safcoN has the courtesy to tell you this in advance - WE SHALL STEAL YOUR IDEA & USE IT ANY WAY WE LIKE. innovators/devs now know who NOT to work with/partner. this is good thing, no!
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otoh, what about the other providers? what are their T&Cs ?
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I actually experienced this first hand... I innocently tried to set up an existing Company (full of engineers ) by hooking them up to Mpesa. So I asked whether Safcom has a till that only dispenses money, but does not receive deposits to serve these traveling engineers with cash from the office instead of the Company always banking on Mpesa kiosks with "no float" or they using ATM cards out in the field.... My question was not answered - which I found a bit rude - instead they sent these 5 or 6 documents with the same legal jargon about "taking your idea and you can do jack to us ...." blah blah... That they will get back to me.... blah blah... Suffice to say,, they never got back to me. I was suddenly treated like some sort of enemy,, no further communication, no response to subsequent emails... And seriously, i dint care about the stupid idea - I just wanted to know whether I can do business. Mabbe the idea was tried out with other pilot companies -- but the guy who wanted it --- Policy "TERMINATE HIM !!!!"
@Nyarotho :) yep the loser with an excuse!!! On 6/22/10, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com> wrote:
Ken Teyie...nothing personal but your footnote down there kinda contradicts you :)
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
SAFARICOM CAN SCREW YOU ALL AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT see this http://safaricom.co.ke/innovation/terms.jsp -- KT, M: +254 722 28 98 04 www.mondeas.com
“When you are busy making excuses, you are not making money, making friends, or making the world a better place. Every loser out there has an excuse as to why they’re not a winner – but at the end of the day, they’re still a loser with an excuse.” -Tana Goertz _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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...what happened to intellectual property rights???... the first entry is disturbing enough. <quote> ...the submissions and its contents will automatically become the property of Safaricom, without any compensation whatsoever to you </quote> way to kill innovation, $afaricoN! ------------------------------ <you may be right, i may be crazy, but it just may be a lunatic you're looking for> ------------------------------ On 6/22/10, nyarotho kennedy <kenyarotho@gmail.com> wrote:
Ken Teyie...nothing personal but your footnote down there kinda contradicts you :)
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
SAFARICOM CAN SCREW YOU ALL AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT see this http://safaricom.co.ke/innovation/terms.jsp -- KT, M: +254 722 28 98 04 www.mondeas.com
“When you are busy making excuses, you are not making money, making friends, or making the world a better place. Every loser out there has an excuse as to why they’re not a winner – but at the end of the day, they’re still a loser with an excuse.” -Tana Goertz _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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ndungu stephen -
nyarotho kennedy -
Simon Mbuthia -
Tony Mwai