Hi, As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here? nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38) regards JP
Which companies are these? Other than Kili.io I am unaware of any other capable of delivering PAAS. David On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hi,
As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here?
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Check out https://*angani*.co On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:34 PM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com> wrote:
Which companies are these? Other than Kili.io I am unaware of any other capable of delivering PAAS.
David
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hi,
As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here?
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Thanks Gutu. On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:58 PM, James Gutu <jmgutu@gmail.com> wrote:
Check out https://*angani*.co
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:34 PM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com> wrote:
Which companies are these? Other than Kili.io I am unaware of any other capable of delivering PAAS.
David
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hi,
As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here?
nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38)
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Ridiculous Pricing On Jul 15, 2014 3:00 PM, "James Gutu" <jmgutu@gmail.com> wrote:
Check out https://*angani*.co
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:34 PM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com> wrote:
Which companies are these? Other than Kili.io I am unaware of any other capable of delivering PAAS.
David
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hi,
As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here?
nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38)
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*@Sinja* How so? On 15 July 2014 16:20, Makhanu Sinja <jeysinja@gmail.com> wrote:
Ridiculous Pricing On Jul 15, 2014 3:00 PM, "James Gutu" <jmgutu@gmail.com> wrote:
Check out https://*angani*.co
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:34 PM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com> wrote:
Which companies are these? Other than Kili.io I am unaware of any other capable of delivering PAAS.
David
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hi,
As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here?
nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38)
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Hi, what do you mean ridiculous pricing?? How much do you think cloud vms cost? regards Muga ----- Original Message ----- From: "Makhanu Sinja" <jeysinja@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:20:50 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Nairobi County Website Ridiculous Pricing On Jul 15, 2014 3:00 PM, "James Gutu" < jmgutu@gmail.com > wrote: Check out https:// angani .co On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:34 PM, David Njuguna < dnjuguna@gmail.com > wrote: Which companies are these? Other than Kili.io I am unaware of any other capable of delivering PAAS. David On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Joseph M. Owino < jpmuga@tespok.co.ke > wrote: Hi, As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here? nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38) regards JP _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke -- -- Regards, James Gutu Mobile: + 254 722 67 66 00 _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Assuming USD$ 1 = KES 85 Digital Ocean = USD$ 5 per month (KES 425) Kili.io = about USD$ 14.4 per month (i.e. assuming a 30 day month, at USD$0.02 per hour, 30*24*0.02) (KES 1224) https://angani.co/#pricing (KES 1481) On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
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what do you mean ridiculous pricing?? How much do you think cloud vms cost?
regards Muga
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Ridiculous Pricing On Jul 15, 2014 3:00 PM, "James Gutu" < jmgutu@gmail.com > wrote:
Check out https:// angani .co
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:34 PM, David Njuguna < dnjuguna@gmail.com > wrote:
Which companies are these? Other than Kili.io I am unaware of any other capable of delivering PAAS.
David
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Joseph M. Owino < jpmuga@tespok.co.ke > wrote:
Hi,
As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here?
nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38)
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Well, at least you can call the Kili.io and Angani guys or have physical meetings with them. You also get better latency and have your services under Kenya's jurisdiction, basically, stuff that corporates care about. On 15 Jul 2014 17:20, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Assuming USD$ 1 = KES 85
Digital Ocean = USD$ 5 per month (KES 425)
Kili.io = about USD$ 14.4 per month (i.e. assuming a 30 day month, at USD$0.02 per hour, 30*24*0.02) (KES 1224)
https://angani.co/#pricing (KES 1481)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hi,
what do you mean ridiculous pricing?? How much do you think cloud vms cost?
regards Muga
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Ridiculous Pricing On Jul 15, 2014 3:00 PM, "James Gutu" < jmgutu@gmail.com > wrote:
Check out https:// angani .co
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:34 PM, David Njuguna < dnjuguna@gmail.com > wrote:
Which companies are these? Other than Kili.io I am unaware of any other capable of delivering PAAS.
David
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Joseph M. Owino < jpmuga@tespok.co.ke > wrote:
Hi,
As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here?
nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38)
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@Dennis, I thought corporates care about the bottom line? With a few clever tweaks at all layers of a web application, the latency bit ceases to be a deal breaker. Especially given an SSD HDD. Remember, disk IO is almost always the slowest bit. Therefore, only one argument stands; paying KES 1224 per month to have my services under Kenya's jurisdiction :-) On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, at least you can call the Kili.io and Angani guys or have physical meetings with them. You also get better latency and have your services under Kenya's jurisdiction, basically, stuff that corporates care about. On 15 Jul 2014 17:20, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Assuming USD$ 1 = KES 85
Digital Ocean = USD$ 5 per month (KES 425)
Kili.io = about USD$ 14.4 per month (i.e. assuming a 30 day month, at USD$0.02 per hour, 30*24*0.02) (KES 1224)
https://angani.co/#pricing (KES 1481)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hi,
what do you mean ridiculous pricing?? How much do you think cloud vms cost?
regards Muga
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Ridiculous Pricing On Jul 15, 2014 3:00 PM, "James Gutu" < jmgutu@gmail.com > wrote:
Check out https:// angani .co
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:34 PM, David Njuguna < dnjuguna@gmail.com > wrote:
Which companies are these? Other than Kili.io I am unaware of any other capable of delivering PAAS.
David
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Joseph M. Owino < jpmuga@tespok.co.ke
wrote:
Hi,
As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here?
nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38)
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And no, I don't work for Digital Ocean, i just think that the *value for money* you get from them is way higher than any of the local hosting providers. But I am sure @Adam and the good folks at angani are close to figuring out a way of getting the cost way way down, so its a matter of time. On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis, I thought corporates care about the bottom line?
With a few clever tweaks at all layers of a web application, the latency bit ceases to be a deal breaker. Especially given an SSD HDD. Remember, disk IO is almost always the slowest bit.
Therefore, only one argument stands; paying KES 1224 per month to have my services under Kenya's jurisdiction :-)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, at least you can call the Kili.io and Angani guys or have physical meetings with them. You also get better latency and have your services under Kenya's jurisdiction, basically, stuff that corporates care about. On 15 Jul 2014 17:20, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Assuming USD$ 1 = KES 85
Digital Ocean = USD$ 5 per month (KES 425)
Kili.io = about USD$ 14.4 per month (i.e. assuming a 30 day month, at USD$0.02 per hour, 30*24*0.02) (KES 1224)
https://angani.co/#pricing (KES 1481)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hi,
what do you mean ridiculous pricing?? How much do you think cloud vms cost?
regards Muga
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Ridiculous Pricing On Jul 15, 2014 3:00 PM, "James Gutu" < jmgutu@gmail.com > wrote:
Check out https:// angani .co
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:34 PM, David Njuguna < dnjuguna@gmail.com > wrote:
Which companies are these? Other than Kili.io I am unaware of any other capable of delivering PAAS.
David
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Joseph M. Owino < jpmuga@tespok.co.ke
wrote:
Hi,
As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here?
nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38)
regards JP
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Corporates care about business continuity, SLAs and having someone they can complain to(Support). That's why they pay top dollar for stuff you can get for free -word processors, OSs, storage etc. Latency is important if you are running cloud enterprise apps, rather double digit latency than 400 ms. On 15 Jul 2014 19:09, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
And no, I don't work for Digital Ocean, i just think that the *value for money* you get from them is way higher than any of the local hosting providers.
But I am sure @Adam and the good folks at angani are close to figuring out a way of getting the cost way way down, so its a matter of time.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis, I thought corporates care about the bottom line?
With a few clever tweaks at all layers of a web application, the latency bit ceases to be a deal breaker. Especially given an SSD HDD. Remember, disk IO is almost always the slowest bit.
Therefore, only one argument stands; paying KES 1224 per month to have my services under Kenya's jurisdiction :-)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, at least you can call the Kili.io and Angani guys or have physical meetings with them. You also get better latency and have your services under Kenya's jurisdiction, basically, stuff that corporates care about. On 15 Jul 2014 17:20, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Assuming USD$ 1 = KES 85
Digital Ocean = USD$ 5 per month (KES 425)
Kili.io = about USD$ 14.4 per month (i.e. assuming a 30 day month, at USD$0.02 per hour, 30*24*0.02) (KES 1224)
https://angani.co/#pricing (KES 1481)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hi,
what do you mean ridiculous pricing?? How much do you think cloud vms cost?
regards Muga
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Ridiculous Pricing On Jul 15, 2014 3:00 PM, "James Gutu" < jmgutu@gmail.com > wrote:
Check out https:// angani .co
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:34 PM, David Njuguna < dnjuguna@gmail.com > wrote:
Which companies are these? Other than Kili.io I am unaware of any other capable of delivering PAAS.
David
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Hi,
As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here?
nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38)
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My unproven theory is that Amazon, Rack space, Linode etc outperform our local providers in terms of SLAs, business continuity and support. You know that latency can be masked in such a way that the end user does not notice. Are you trying to convince me that your CIO will pay 3 times the price purely for latency? On Jul 15, 2014 7:20 PM, "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Corporates care about business continuity, SLAs and having someone they can complain to(Support). That's why they pay top dollar for stuff you can get for free -word processors, OSs, storage etc.
Latency is important if you are running cloud enterprise apps, rather double digit latency than 400 ms. On 15 Jul 2014 19:09, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
And no, I don't work for Digital Ocean, i just think that the *value for money* you get from them is way higher than any of the local hosting providers.
But I am sure @Adam and the good folks at angani are close to figuring out a way of getting the cost way way down, so its a matter of time.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis, I thought corporates care about the bottom line?
With a few clever tweaks at all layers of a web application, the latency bit ceases to be a deal breaker. Especially given an SSD HDD. Remember, disk IO is almost always the slowest bit.
Therefore, only one argument stands; paying KES 1224 per month to have my services under Kenya's jurisdiction :-)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, at least you can call the Kili.io and Angani guys or have physical meetings with them. You also get better latency and have your services under Kenya's jurisdiction, basically, stuff that corporates care about. On 15 Jul 2014 17:20, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Assuming USD$ 1 = KES 85
Digital Ocean = USD$ 5 per month (KES 425)
Kili.io = about USD$ 14.4 per month (i.e. assuming a 30 day month, at USD$0.02 per hour, 30*24*0.02) (KES 1224)
https://angani.co/#pricing (KES 1481)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hi,
what do you mean ridiculous pricing?? How much do you think cloud vms cost?
regards Muga
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Ridiculous Pricing On Jul 15, 2014 3:00 PM, "James Gutu" < jmgutu@gmail.com > wrote:
Check out https:// angani .co
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:34 PM, David Njuguna < dnjuguna@gmail.com > wrote:
Which companies are these? Other than Kili.io I am unaware of any other capable of delivering PAAS.
David
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Joseph M. Owino < jpmuga@tespok.co.ke > wrote:
Hi,
As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here?
nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38)
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Lets get some figures into this conversation; we do traceroutes to angani, kili, Safaricom, equity bank, amazon, linode, rack space and digital ocean. Then we see the latency differences. On Jul 15, 2014 8:35 PM, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
My unproven theory is that Amazon, Rack space, Linode etc outperform our local providers in terms of SLAs, business continuity and support.
You know that latency can be masked in such a way that the end user does not notice.
Are you trying to convince me that your CIO will pay 3 times the price purely for latency? On Jul 15, 2014 7:20 PM, "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Corporates care about business continuity, SLAs and having someone they can complain to(Support). That's why they pay top dollar for stuff you can get for free -word processors, OSs, storage etc.
Latency is important if you are running cloud enterprise apps, rather double digit latency than 400 ms. On 15 Jul 2014 19:09, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
And no, I don't work for Digital Ocean, i just think that the *value for money* you get from them is way higher than any of the local hosting providers.
But I am sure @Adam and the good folks at angani are close to figuring out a way of getting the cost way way down, so its a matter of time.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis, I thought corporates care about the bottom line?
With a few clever tweaks at all layers of a web application, the latency bit ceases to be a deal breaker. Especially given an SSD HDD. Remember, disk IO is almost always the slowest bit.
Therefore, only one argument stands; paying KES 1224 per month to have my services under Kenya's jurisdiction :-)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, at least you can call the Kili.io and Angani guys or have physical meetings with them. You also get better latency and have your services under Kenya's jurisdiction, basically, stuff that corporates care about. On 15 Jul 2014 17:20, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Assuming USD$ 1 = KES 85
Digital Ocean = USD$ 5 per month (KES 425)
Kili.io = about USD$ 14.4 per month (i.e. assuming a 30 day month, at USD$0.02 per hour, 30*24*0.02) (KES 1224)
https://angani.co/#pricing (KES 1481)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke > wrote:
> Hi, > > what do you mean ridiculous pricing?? How much do you think cloud > vms cost? > > regards > Muga > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Makhanu Sinja" <jeysinja@gmail.com> > To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:20:50 PM > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Nairobi County Website > > > > > Ridiculous Pricing > On Jul 15, 2014 3:00 PM, "James Gutu" < jmgutu@gmail.com > wrote: > > > > Check out https:// angani .co > > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:34 PM, David Njuguna < dnjuguna@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > > Which companies are these? Other than Kili.io I am unaware of any > other capable of delivering PAAS. > > > David > > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Joseph M. Owino < > jpmuga@tespok.co.ke > wrote: > > > Hi, > > As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government > website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who > can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about > hosting it here? > > > nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38) > > > regards > JP > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > > > -- > Regards, > James Gutu > Mobile: + 254 722 67 66 00 > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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You know that latency can be masked in such a way that the end user does not notice.
No. It's impossible to reduce the latency of transmitting the communication signal via fibre between the server and the client (which makes up a significant portion of the latency on WANs). This is compounded by routing and switching overheads and is exacerbated by congestion etc.
Are you trying to convince me that your CIO will pay 3 times the price purely for latency?
Yes. It's been long since established that 100 ms is the upper limit on human perception that a visual response is instantaneous (see Miller, R. B. (1968). Response time in man-computer conversational transactions. Proc. AFIPS Fall Joint Computer Conference Vol. 33, 267-277). Given that most links out of the country to US/UK datacentres are measured to be at least 150ms, a CIO will usually pay more for the increased productivity that is achievable with a lower latency link. Moreover, there are many other good reasons for keeping things local e.g. higher throughput, in-country physical presence of the data, different legal jurisdiction. Your message highlights an interesting point though: The importance of education in the market - people don't understand the concept of latency and so think it's something mitigatable when it actually is not, especially for interactive applications.
We complain that most IT projects are given to foreigners by government and wonder whether we don't have the the skills and capacity locally, yet the interesting part is that even us in the industry take away these jobs from ourselves with the same excuse we don't have capacity. Bottom line is we will never grow and we will whine till we die leaving a third world country behind for the next generation. FYI: that "expensive" price you would pay to angani is likely to come back to your pocket if it says within the economy. Sent from my iPad
On Jul 15, 2014, at 19:19, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Corporates care about business continuity, SLAs and having someone they can complain to(Support). That's why they pay top dollar for stuff you can get for free -word processors, OSs, storage etc.
Latency is important if you are running cloud enterprise apps, rather double digit latency than 400 ms.
On 15 Jul 2014 19:09, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: And no, I don't work for Digital Ocean, i just think that the value for money you get from them is way higher than any of the local hosting providers.
But I am sure @Adam and the good folks at angani are close to figuring out a way of getting the cost way way down, so its a matter of time.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: @Dennis, I thought corporates care about the bottom line?
With a few clever tweaks at all layers of a web application, the latency bit ceases to be a deal breaker. Especially given an SSD HDD. Remember, disk IO is almost always the slowest bit.
Therefore, only one argument stands; paying KES 1224 per month to have my services under Kenya's jurisdiction :-)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: Well, at least you can call the Kili.io and Angani guys or have physical meetings with them. You also get better latency and have your services under Kenya's jurisdiction, basically, stuff that corporates care about.
On 15 Jul 2014 17:20, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: Assuming USD$ 1 = KES 85
Digital Ocean = USD$ 5 per month (KES 425)
Kili.io = about USD$ 14.4 per month (i.e. assuming a 30 day month, at USD$0.02 per hour, 30*24*0.02) (KES 1224)
https://angani.co/#pricing (KES 1481)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote: Hi,
what do you mean ridiculous pricing?? How much do you think cloud vms cost?
regards Muga
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Ridiculous Pricing On Jul 15, 2014 3:00 PM, "James Gutu" < jmgutu@gmail.com > wrote:
Check out https:// angani .co
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:34 PM, David Njuguna < dnjuguna@gmail.com > wrote:
Which companies are these? Other than Kili.io I am unaware of any other capable of delivering PAAS.
David
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Joseph M. Owino < jpmuga@tespok.co.ke > wrote:
Hi,
As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here?
nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38)
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Quick question, for the developer on this thread, how many of us recommend local hosting solutions to our clients or have used them at least once? Also, I'm against using local solutions just because they are locally made. I judge all providers by the same yardstick. If Angani can provide me with the same guaranteed uptime, specs and super fast support like say Mediatemple or Digital ocean, then personally, I would gladly use them __ Kind regards, Brian Wangila Web developer | UI Designe Lead Developer - Skyline Design Ltd -----Original Message----- From: "Ochieng Maxwell" <maxwell@barua.co.ke> Sent: 7/16/2014 8:40 AM To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Cc: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Nairobi County Website We complain that most IT projects are given to foreigners by government and wonder whether we don't have the the skills and capacity locally, yet the interesting part is that even us in the industry take away these jobs from ourselves with the same excuse we don't have capacity. Bottom line is we will never grow and we will whine till we die leaving a third world country behind for the next generation. FYI: that "expensive" price you would pay to angani is likely to come back to your pocket if it says within the economy. Sent from my iPad On Jul 15, 2014, at 19:19, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: Corporates care about business continuity, SLAs and having someone they can complain to(Support). That's why they pay top dollar for stuff you can get for free -word processors, OSs, storage etc. Latency is important if you are running cloud enterprise apps, rather double digit latency than 400 ms. On 15 Jul 2014 19:09, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: And no, I don't work for Digital Ocean, i just think that the value for money you get from them is way higher than any of the local hosting providers. But I am sure @Adam and the good folks at angani are close to figuring out a way of getting the cost way way down, so its a matter of time. On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: @Dennis, I thought corporates care about the bottom line? With a few clever tweaks at all layers of a web application, the latency bit ceases to be a deal breaker. Especially given an SSD HDD. Remember, disk IO is almost always the slowest bit. Therefore, only one argument stands; paying KES 1224 per month to have my services under Kenya's jurisdiction :-) On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote: Well, at least you can call the Kili.io and Angani guys or have physical meetings with them. You also get better latency and have your services under Kenya's jurisdiction, basically, stuff that corporates care about. On 15 Jul 2014 17:20, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: Assuming USD$ 1 = KES 85 Digital Ocean = USD$ 5 per month (KES 425) Kili.io = about USD$ 14.4 per month (i.e. assuming a 30 day month, at USD$0.02 per hour, 30*24*0.02) (KES 1224) https://angani.co/#pricing (KES 1481) On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote: Hi, what do you mean ridiculous pricing?? How much do you think cloud vms cost? regards Muga ----- Original Message ----- From: "Makhanu Sinja" <jeysinja@gmail.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 4:20:50 PM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Nairobi County Website Ridiculous Pricing On Jul 15, 2014 3:00 PM, "James Gutu" < jmgutu@gmail.com > wrote: Check out https:// angani .co On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:34 PM, David Njuguna < dnjuguna@gmail.com > wrote: Which companies are these? Other than Kili.io I am unaware of any other capable of delivering PAAS. David On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Joseph M. Owino < jpmuga@tespok.co.ke > wrote: Hi, As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here? nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38) regards JP _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke -- -- Regards, James Gutu Mobile: + 254 722 67 66 00 _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke -- Regards, Peter Karunyu ------------------- _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke -- Regards, Peter Karunyu ------------------- -- Regards, Peter Karunyu ------------------- _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
@Ochieng, are you implying that I should buy Kenyan, even if expensive, just because its Kenyan and the money I pay will somehow come back to me? On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Brian Wangila <brian@bwangila.com> wrote:
Quick question, for the developer on this thread, how many of us recommend local hosting solutions to our clients or have used them at least once?
Also, I'm against using local solutions just because they are locally made. I judge all providers by the same yardstick. If Angani can provide me with the same guaranteed uptime, specs and super fast support like say Mediatemple or Digital ocean, then personally, I would gladly use them
__ Kind regards,
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Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Nairobi County Website
We complain that most IT projects are given to foreigners by government and wonder whether we don't have the the skills and capacity locally, yet the interesting part is that even us in the industry take away these jobs from ourselves with the same excuse we don't have capacity.
Bottom line is we will never grow and we will whine till we die leaving a third world country behind for the next generation.
FYI: that "expensive" price you would pay to angani is likely to come back to your pocket if it says within the economy.
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 15, 2014, at 19:19, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Corporates care about business continuity, SLAs and having someone they can complain to(Support). That's why they pay top dollar for stuff you can get for free -word processors, OSs, storage etc.
Latency is important if you are running cloud enterprise apps, rather double digit latency than 400 ms. On 15 Jul 2014 19:09, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
And no, I don't work for Digital Ocean, i just think that the *value for money* you get from them is way higher than any of the local hosting providers.
But I am sure @Adam and the good folks at angani are close to figuring out a way of getting the cost way way down, so its a matter of time.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis, I thought corporates care about the bottom line?
With a few clever tweaks at all layers of a web application, the latency bit ceases to be a deal breaker. Especially given an SSD HDD. Remember, disk IO is almost always the slowest bit.
Therefore, only one argument stands; paying KES 1224 per month to have my services under Kenya's jurisdiction :-)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:52 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, at least you can call the Kili.io and Angani guys or have physical meetings with them. You also get better latency and have your services under Kenya's jurisdiction, basically, stuff that corporates care about. On 15 Jul 2014 17:20, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Assuming USD$ 1 = KES 85
Digital Ocean = USD$ 5 per month (KES 425)
Kili.io = about USD$ 14.4 per month (i.e. assuming a 30 day month, at USD$0.02 per hour, 30*24*0.02) (KES 1224)
https://angani.co/#pricing (KES 1481)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hi,
what do you mean ridiculous pricing?? How much do you think cloud vms cost?
regards Muga
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Ridiculous Pricing On Jul 15, 2014 3:00 PM, "James Gutu" < jmgutu@gmail.com > wrote:
Check out https:// angani .co
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:34 PM, David Njuguna < dnjuguna@gmail.com > wrote:
Which companies are these? Other than Kili.io I am unaware of any other capable of delivering PAAS.
David
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Joseph M. Owino < jpmuga@tespok.co.ke > wrote:
Hi,
As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here?
nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38)
regards JP
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We are assuming that these are simple websites, while over time we are looking at email systems, payment systems for some counties and more. It stops being just an email system.
@Dennis, the context here is a website. For other sort of systems, latency may play a much bigger role in the decision making process. On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 9:14 AM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
We are assuming that these are simple websites, while over time we are looking at email systems, payment systems for some counties and more.
It stops being just an email system.
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@Dennis For the normal user to notice the difference in latency, you will require a web application that needs to perform lots of near real time queries and load a large number of assets. If it's the usual website, blog, e-commerce, email, CMSs, then almost no one will notice the latency difference. I'm willing to bet that if we loaded one site on both servers, all factors constant, and told people in this thread to pick the "faster one", ie the locally hosted one, most of us wouldn't tell the difference. __ Kind regards, Brian Wangila Web developer | UI Designer Lead Developer - Skyline Design Ltd -----Original Message----- From: "Dennis Kioko" <dmbuvi@gmail.com> Sent: 7/16/2014 9:17 AM To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Nairobi County Website We are assuming that these are simple websites, while over time we are looking at email systems, payment systems for some counties and more. It stops being just an email system.
hi, There are certain things we need to understand. The title was County websites being hosted abroad . Firstly, I am of the opinion that for a country to succeed it must invest in itself. We cant have a county government quote hundreds of thousands as budget for a website when its some simple wordpress page hosted by Amazon. We all know that all county governments can pay 7k a month to angani or kilio or safaricom but instead its amazon a company worth 354 Billion USD (NSE Total market cap it 25 Billion USD). Secondly, if this was about latency of course it will not make sense because end users hardly notice anything different. Thirdly, what happens if e.g. international fiber cuts happen? Will we lose access to online services offered by the Nairobi county government? Do we get delays? Fourthly, I think its irresponsible for any government website to be hosted abroad its just wrong. (My 2 cents) regards JP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Wangila" <brian@bwangila.com> To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:27:23 AM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Nairobi County Website @Dennis For the normal user to notice the difference in latency, you will require a web application that needs to perform lots of near real time queries and load a large number of assets. If it's the usual website, blog, e-commerce, email, CMSs, then almost no one will notice the latency difference. I'm willing to bet that if we loaded one site on both servers, all factors constant, and told people in this thread to pick the "faster one", ie the locally hosted one, most of us wouldn't tell the difference. __ Kind regards, Brian Wangila Web developer | UI Designer Lead Developer - Skyline Design Ltd From: Dennis Kioko Sent: 7/16/2014 9:17 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Nairobi County Website We are assuming that these are simple websites, while over time we are looking at email systems, payment systems for some counties and more. It stops being just an email system. _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
@Joseph, on your first point, its that exact kind of thinking that will get the CIO @ Nairobi County into trouble with PPOA. How can you justify paying 7k for hosting a website while KES 425 would have provided better value for money, eh? I agree we should invest in ourselves, but lets do it the proper way, like charging datacenters much less for electricity, or giving them incentives to implement other sources of power, reducing taxes on data center hardware etc, so that they become *globally *competitive, not just locally. On your third point, my un-proven theory is that the fiber network inside our country gets cut more often than the one in the ocean. On your fourth point, *patriotically*, it is wrong to host outside. Technically and financially, it is not. On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
hi,
There are certain things we need to understand. The title was *County websites being hosted abroad*.
Firstly, I am of the opinion that for a country to succeed it must invest in itself. We cant have a county government quote hundreds of thousands as budget for a website when its some simple wordpress page hosted by Amazon. We all know that all county governments can pay 7k a month to angani or kilio or safaricom but instead its amazon a company worth 354 Billion USD (NSE Total market cap it 25 Billion USD).
Secondly, if this was about latency of course it will not make sense because end users hardly notice anything different.
Thirdly, what happens if e.g. international fiber cuts happen? Will we lose access to online services offered by the Nairobi county government? Do we get delays?
Fourthly, I think its irresponsible for any government website to be hosted abroad its just wrong. (My 2 cents)
regards JP
------------------------------
From: "Brian Wangila" <brian@bwangila.com>
To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:27:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Nairobi County Website
@Dennis
For the normal user to notice the difference in latency, you will require a web application that needs to perform lots of near real time queries and load a large number of assets.
If it's the usual website, blog, e-commerce, email, CMSs, then almost no one will notice the latency difference.
I'm willing to bet that if we loaded one site on both servers, all factors constant, and told people in this thread to pick the "faster one", ie the locally hosted one, most of us wouldn't tell the difference.
__ Kind regards,
Brian Wangila Web developer | UI Designer Lead Developer - Skyline Design Ltd
From: Dennis Kioko Sent: 7/16/2014 9:17 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Nairobi County Website
We are assuming that these are simple websites, while over time we are looking at email systems, payment systems for some counties and more.
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@Peter, Spot on. Couldn’t have said it better. On Jul 16, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joseph, on your first point, its that exact kind of thinking that will get the CIO @ Nairobi County into trouble with PPOA. How can you justify paying 7k for hosting a website while KES 425 would have provided better value for money, eh?
I agree we should invest in ourselves, but lets do it the proper way, like charging datacenters much less for electricity, or giving them incentives to implement other sources of power, reducing taxes on data center hardware etc, so that they become globally competitive, not just locally.
On your third point, my un-proven theory is that the fiber network inside our country gets cut more often than the one in the ocean.
On your fourth point, patriotically, it is wrong to host outside. Technically and financially, it is not.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote: hi,
There are certain things we need to understand. The title was County websites being hosted abroad.
Firstly, I am of the opinion that for a country to succeed it must invest in itself. We cant have a county government quote hundreds of thousands as budget for a website when its some simple wordpress page hosted by Amazon. We all know that all county governments can pay 7k a month to angani or kilio or safaricom but instead its amazon a company worth 354 Billion USD (NSE Total market cap it 25 Billion USD).
Secondly, if this was about latency of course it will not make sense because end users hardly notice anything different.
Thirdly, what happens if e.g. international fiber cuts happen? Will we lose access to online services offered by the Nairobi county government? Do we get delays?
Fourthly, I think its irresponsible for any government website to be hosted abroad its just wrong. (My 2 cents)
regards JP
From: "Brian Wangila" <brian@bwangila.com>
To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:27:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Nairobi County Website
@Dennis
For the normal user to notice the difference in latency, you will require a web application that needs to perform lots of near real time queries and load a large number of assets.
If it's the usual website, blog, e-commerce, email, CMSs, then almost no one will notice the latency difference.
I'm willing to bet that if we loaded one site on both servers, all factors constant, and told people in this thread to pick the "faster one", ie the locally hosted one, most of us wouldn't tell the difference.
__ Kind regards,
Brian Wangila Web developer | UI Designer Lead Developer - Skyline Design Ltd
From: Dennis Kioko Sent: 7/16/2014 9:17 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Nairobi County Website
We are assuming that these are simple websites, while over time we are looking at email systems, payment systems for some counties and more.
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I would bet two six-packs of a drinks that the biggest recurrent cost factor for Angani and Kili is electricity. @phares and @adam, care to take on my bet? And @BrianWangila here bets a mbuzi leg :-) Oh, and another six-pack for @rsohan On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Brian Wangila <brian@bwangila.com> wrote:
@Peter,
Spot on. Couldn’t have said it better.
On Jul 16, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joseph, on your first point, its that exact kind of thinking that will get the CIO @ Nairobi County into trouble with PPOA. How can you justify paying 7k for hosting a website while KES 425 would have provided better value for money, eh?
I agree we should invest in ourselves, but lets do it the proper way, like charging datacenters much less for electricity, or giving them incentives to implement other sources of power, reducing taxes on data center hardware etc, so that they become *globally *competitive, not just locally.
On your third point, my un-proven theory is that the fiber network inside our country gets cut more often than the one in the ocean.
On your fourth point, *patriotically*, it is wrong to host outside. Technically and financially, it is not.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
hi,
There are certain things we need to understand. The title was *County websites being hosted abroad*.
Firstly, I am of the opinion that for a country to succeed it must invest in itself. We cant have a county government quote hundreds of thousands as budget for a website when its some simple wordpress page hosted by Amazon. We all know that all county governments can pay 7k a month to angani or kilio or safaricom but instead its amazon a company worth 354 Billion USD (NSE Total market cap it 25 Billion USD).
Secondly, if this was about latency of course it will not make sense because end users hardly notice anything different.
Thirdly, what happens if e.g. international fiber cuts happen? Will we lose access to online services offered by the Nairobi county government? Do we get delays?
Fourthly, I think its irresponsible for any government website to be hosted abroad its just wrong. (My 2 cents)
regards JP
------------------------------
From: "Brian Wangila" <brian@bwangila.com>
To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2014 9:27:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Nairobi County Website
@Dennis
For the normal user to notice the difference in latency, you will require a web application that needs to perform lots of near real time queries and load a large number of assets.
If it's the usual website, blog, e-commerce, email, CMSs, then almost no one will notice the latency difference.
I'm willing to bet that if we loaded one site on both servers, all factors constant, and told people in this thread to pick the "faster one", ie the locally hosted one, most of us wouldn't tell the difference.
__ Kind regards,
Brian Wangila Web developer | UI Designer Lead Developer - Skyline Design Ltd
From: Dennis Kioko Sent: 7/16/2014 9:17 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Nairobi County Website
We are assuming that these are simple websites, while over time we are looking at email systems, payment systems for some counties and more.
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@Peter Well, *for now*, our biggest cost isn't electricity. I'm guessing we can have the six pack and mbuzi on Saturday ;-). Prices will come down. AWS/Google/Digital Ocean are significantly higher capitalised than we are. With capital comes scale (reduced H/W costs, bandwidth costs etc). Let me give another example, if you buy one rack server from Dell, it will cost you roughly 30,000 USD, after discounts (depends on the type, looking at their 4U variety). When buying 10, the price goes down to 24,000 USD thereabouts, if buying 100-10,000 a la Digital Ocean, Amazon etc, the price can be reduced to 15,000. Additionally, with scale comes reduced HR costs (fewer people managing more servers/applications support etc). So these guys can charge less simply because they enough money to reduce their marginal costs. With regards to local hosting, I'd say that you don't only consider the VM cost - we don't charge for transfer (effectively give unlimited local loop connectivity and we still don't have hard caps on international connectivity). When you've got local sites that transfer a few 10 gigs per month, it becomes a significant cost. On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
I would bet two six-packs of a drinks that the biggest recurrent cost factor for Angani and Kili is electricity.
@phares and @adam, care to take on my bet?
And @BrianWangila here bets a mbuzi leg
:-)
Oh, and another six-pack for @rsohan
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Brian Wangila <brian@bwangila.com> wrote:
@Peter,
Spot on. Couldn’t have said it better.
On Jul 16, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joseph, on your first point, its that exact kind of thinking that will get the CIO @ Nairobi County into trouble with PPOA. How can you justify paying 7k for hosting a website while KES 425 would have provided better value for money, eh?
I agree we should invest in ourselves, but lets do it the proper way, like charging datacenters much less for electricity, or giving them incentives to implement other sources of power, reducing taxes on data center hardware etc, so that they become *globally *competitive, not just locally.
On your third point, my un-proven theory is that the fiber network inside our country gets cut more often than the one in the ocean.
On your fourth point, *patriotically*, it is wrong to host outside. Technically and financially, it is not.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
hi,
There are certain things we need to understand. The title was *County websites being hosted abroad*.
Firstly, I am of the opinion that for a country to succeed it must invest in itself. We cant have a county government quote hundreds of thousands as budget for a website when its some simple wordpress page hosted by Amazon. We all know that all county governments can pay 7k a month to angani or kilio or safaricom but instead its amazon a company worth 354 Billion USD (NSE Total market cap it 25 Billion USD).
Secondly, if this was about latency of course it will not make sense because end users hardly notice anything different.
Thirdly, what happens if e.g. international fiber cuts happen? Will we lose access to online services offered by the Nairobi county government? Do we get delays?
Fourthly, I think its irresponsible for any government website to be hosted abroad its just wrong. (My 2 cents)
regards JP
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@Dennis
For the normal user to notice the difference in latency, you will require a web application that needs to perform lots of near real time queries and load a large number of assets.
If it's the usual website, blog, e-commerce, email, CMSs, then almost no one will notice the latency difference.
I'm willing to bet that if we loaded one site on both servers, all factors constant, and told people in this thread to pick the "faster one", ie the locally hosted one, most of us wouldn't tell the difference.
__ Kind regards,
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From: Dennis Kioko Sent: 7/16/2014 9:17 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Nairobi County Website
We are assuming that these are simple websites, while over time we are looking at email systems, payment systems for some counties and more.
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Damn! Okay, the six-pack is yours then. Choose the venue :-) On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Phares <phares.kariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
@Peter
Well, *for now*, our biggest cost isn't electricity. I'm guessing we can have the six pack and mbuzi on Saturday ;-).
Prices will come down. AWS/Google/Digital Ocean are significantly higher capitalised than we are. With capital comes scale (reduced H/W costs, bandwidth costs etc).
Let me give another example, if you buy one rack server from Dell, it will cost you roughly 30,000 USD, after discounts (depends on the type, looking at their 4U variety). When buying 10, the price goes down to 24,000 USD thereabouts, if buying 100-10,000 a la Digital Ocean, Amazon etc, the price can be reduced to 15,000. Additionally, with scale comes reduced HR costs (fewer people managing more servers/applications support etc). So these guys can charge less simply because they enough money to reduce their marginal costs.
With regards to local hosting, I'd say that you don't only consider the VM cost - we don't charge for transfer (effectively give unlimited local loop connectivity and we still don't have hard caps on international connectivity). When you've got local sites that transfer a few 10 gigs per month, it becomes a significant cost.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
I would bet two six-packs of a drinks that the biggest recurrent cost factor for Angani and Kili is electricity.
@phares and @adam, care to take on my bet?
And @BrianWangila here bets a mbuzi leg
:-)
Oh, and another six-pack for @rsohan
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Brian Wangila <brian@bwangila.com> wrote:
@Peter,
Spot on. Couldn’t have said it better.
On Jul 16, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Joseph, on your first point, its that exact kind of thinking that will get the CIO @ Nairobi County into trouble with PPOA. How can you justify paying 7k for hosting a website while KES 425 would have provided better value for money, eh?
I agree we should invest in ourselves, but lets do it the proper way, like charging datacenters much less for electricity, or giving them incentives to implement other sources of power, reducing taxes on data center hardware etc, so that they become *globally *competitive, not just locally.
On your third point, my un-proven theory is that the fiber network inside our country gets cut more often than the one in the ocean.
On your fourth point, *patriotically*, it is wrong to host outside. Technically and financially, it is not.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 10:06 AM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
hi,
There are certain things we need to understand. The title was *County websites being hosted abroad*.
Firstly, I am of the opinion that for a country to succeed it must invest in itself. We cant have a county government quote hundreds of thousands as budget for a website when its some simple wordpress page hosted by Amazon. We all know that all county governments can pay 7k a month to angani or kilio or safaricom but instead its amazon a company worth 354 Billion USD (NSE Total market cap it 25 Billion USD).
Secondly, if this was about latency of course it will not make sense because end users hardly notice anything different.
Thirdly, what happens if e.g. international fiber cuts happen? Will we lose access to online services offered by the Nairobi county government? Do we get delays?
Fourthly, I think its irresponsible for any government website to be hosted abroad its just wrong. (My 2 cents)
regards JP
------------------------------
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@Dennis
For the normal user to notice the difference in latency, you will require a web application that needs to perform lots of near real time queries and load a large number of assets.
If it's the usual website, blog, e-commerce, email, CMSs, then almost no one will notice the latency difference.
I'm willing to bet that if we loaded one site on both servers, all factors constant, and told people in this thread to pick the "faster one", ie the locally hosted one, most of us wouldn't tell the difference.
__ Kind regards,
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From: Dennis Kioko Sent: 7/16/2014 9:17 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Nairobi County Website
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Additionally, we have hosting solutions through our hosting partners for people who are cost conscious (e.g. EAC Directory).
@Phares, I’m I right in assuming you work with one of the local hosting providers? If so, my biggest concern is uptime. What are the figures on this and how do you take care of factors such as electricity and fibre cuts? Regards, Brian Wangila, Web Developer | UI Designer, Lead Developer - Skyline Design Limited On Jul 16, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Phares <phares.kariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
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@Brian, You are right in assuming that. I work with Angani. We are currently deploying a second availability zone (which should be up and running in a couple of weeks, just dealing with customs etc). So you'd be able to have a highly available cluster or take advantage of one of the clusters we are setting up for our hosting partners. On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Brian Wangila <brian@bwangila.com> wrote:
@Phares,
I’m I right in assuming you work with one of the local hosting providers? If so, my biggest concern is uptime. What are the figures on this and how do you take care of factors such as electricity and fibre cuts?
Regards, Brian Wangila, Web Developer | UI Designer, Lead Developer - Skyline Design Limited
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Additionally, we are at the KIXP, currently have two upstream providers and we are increasing this to 3 later this month. Fibre cuts won't affect us unless all providers are down and the KIXP is down as well.. On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Phares <phares.kariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
@Brian,
You are right in assuming that. I work with Angani. We are currently deploying a second availability zone (which should be up and running in a couple of weeks, just dealing with customs etc). So you'd be able to have a highly available cluster or take advantage of one of the clusters we are setting up for our hosting partners.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Brian Wangila <brian@bwangila.com> wrote:
@Phares,
I’m I right in assuming you work with one of the local hosting providers? If so, my biggest concern is uptime. What are the figures on this and how do you take care of factors such as electricity and fibre cuts?
Regards, Brian Wangila, Web Developer | UI Designer, Lead Developer - Skyline Design Limited
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@Phares, Goodstuff. All the best. Regards, Brian Wangila, Web Developer | UI Designer, Lead Developer - Skyline Design Limited On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Phares <phares.kariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
@Brian,
You are right in assuming that. I work with Angani. We are currently deploying a second availability zone (which should be up and running in a couple of weeks, just dealing with customs etc). So you'd be able to have a highly available cluster or take advantage of one of the clusters we are setting up for our hosting partners.
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Brian Wangila <brian@bwangila.com> wrote:
@Phares,
I’m I right in assuming you work with one of the local hosting providers? If so, my biggest concern is uptime. What are the figures on this and how do you take care of factors such as electricity and fibre cuts?
Regards, Brian Wangila, Web Developer | UI Designer, Lead Developer - Skyline Design Limited
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@Dennis, In terms of website hosting, I have yet to encounter a corporate that really cares what jurisdiction it falls under. They primarily want <b>CHEAP</b> hosting, storage, processing. //MB On 7/15/14, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, at least you can call the Kili.io and Angani guys or have physical meetings with them. You also get better latency and have your services under Kenya's jurisdiction, basically, stuff that corporates care about. On 15 Jul 2014 17:20, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Assuming USD$ 1 = KES 85
Digital Ocean = USD$ 5 per month (KES 425)
Kili.io = about USD$ 14.4 per month (i.e. assuming a 30 day month, at USD$0.02 per hour, 30*24*0.02) (KES 1224)
https://angani.co/#pricing (KES 1481)
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hi,
what do you mean ridiculous pricing?? How much do you think cloud vms cost?
regards Muga
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Ridiculous Pricing On Jul 15, 2014 3:00 PM, "James Gutu" < jmgutu@gmail.com > wrote:
Check out https:// angani .co
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:34 PM, David Njuguna < dnjuguna@gmail.com > wrote:
Which companies are these? Other than Kili.io I am unaware of any other capable of delivering PAAS.
David
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Joseph M. Owino < jpmuga@tespok.co.ke > wrote:
Hi,
As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here?
nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38)
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kili.io +1 angani.co +1 On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:34 AM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com> wrote:
Which companies are these? Other than Kili.io I am unaware of any other capable of delivering PAAS.
David
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hi,
As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here?
nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38)
regards JP
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https://www.linode.com/pricing : https://angani.co/#pricing ? linode +1 On 24 July 2014 01:37, Kahugu Isaac via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
kili.io +1 angani.co +1
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 7:34 AM, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com> wrote:
Which companies are these? Other than Kili.io I am unaware of any other capable of delivering PAAS.
David
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Hi,
As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya
who can
manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here?
nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38)
regards JP
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Of course it is not ok. Slightly off topic, but then again, why not, when we drive cars built in Japan, on roads built by Chinese, wear clothes made by Chinese, and use toothpicks after lunch from China. We go home and sit on sofas imported from Turkey or China, and watch news/movies on TVs made in Korea, Japan or China. People even wear 2nd hand underwear every day. So in that context, using Amazon hosting is understandable, not ok but understandable. On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hi,
As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here?
nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38)
regards JP
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@rsohan, I agree with you, latency cannot be reduced, but, like I said, it can be *masked* so that the end user does not notice it. Remember, the context here is a website. Lets take the case of a website (Site A) hosted at any of the local data centers, and one hosted abroad (Site B). Latency from me to Site A is 50ms, to Site B is 150ms. These will not change regardless what the developer does. But, the developer can load the resources of a webpage in such a way that the end user *feels * as if the page loaded as if it was hosted locally. This is my first point. Below are two screenshots to illustrate this point. Keep an eye on the *onload* time. https://www.dropbox.com/s/xv9er2ds2njj8jm/DigitalOcean%20-%20Firebug.png https://www.dropbox.com/s/gnk2zxw3vkok9og/Safaricom%20-%20Firebug.png My second point, is the disk IO. It is one of the slowest parts of the stack both for the web server and for the database. If you make this fast, you gain more ability to fool the user into not noticing the greater latency. On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 4:39 AM, Timothy Yegon <tyegon@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course it is not ok. Slightly off topic, but then again, why not, when we drive cars built in Japan, on roads built by Chinese, wear clothes made by Chinese, and use toothpicks after lunch from China. We go home and sit on sofas imported from Turkey or China, and watch news/movies on TVs made in Korea, Japan or China. People even wear 2nd hand underwear every day. So in that context, using Amazon hosting is understandable, not ok but understandable.
On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:54 PM, Joseph M. Owino <jpmuga@tespok.co.ke> wrote:
Hi,
As a kenyan do you think its okay that the Nairobi County Government website is being hosted by Amazon? There are many companies in Kenya who can manage a simple county government website or what is not right about hosting it here?
nairobi.go.ke (IP: 205.251.232.38)
regards JP
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Joseph M. Owino -
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Michael Bullut -
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Ochieng Maxwell -
Peter Karunyu -
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Timothy Yegon