Fwd: Kenya's ICT Practioners Bill: Pay 46K per year for license to practice!
FYI - Anyone knows about this? The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. It has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. Read the draft bill here: http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic... -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, what does it seek to cure? Regards, Patrick On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
FYI - Anyone knows about this?
The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. It has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. Read the draft bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
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Looks like some guys want you to pay them 46K every year to enjoy themselves. On 5 July 2016 at 21:15, Patrick Mathenge <kabiromathenge@gmail.com> wrote:
Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, what does it seek to cure? Regards, Patrick On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
FYI - Anyone knows about this?
The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. It has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. Read the draft bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
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-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
On top of that annual fee you have to demonstrate continuing education.... sic. Reading through that draft it has a bunch of some seriously problematic issues. With that draft the likes of Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and many others would not be licensed to work. The Ministry needs to hear our voice on this one. On 7/5/16, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Looks like some guys want you to pay them 46K every year to enjoy themselves.
On 5 July 2016 at 21:15, Patrick Mathenge <kabiromathenge@gmail.com> wrote:
Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, what does it seek to cure? Regards, Patrick On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
FYI - Anyone knows about this?
The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. It has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. Read the draft bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
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-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
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I've been reading it. I really can't believe it's real! There is so much "ridiculousness" and possibility of greed in that document. On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Steven Obbayi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
On top of that annual fee you have to demonstrate continuing education.... sic. Reading through that draft it has a bunch of some seriously problematic issues. With that draft the likes of Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and many others would not be licensed to work. The Ministry needs to hear our voice on this one.
On 7/5/16, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Looks like some guys want you to pay them 46K every year to enjoy themselves.
On 5 July 2016 at 21:15, Patrick Mathenge <kabiromathenge@gmail.com> wrote:
Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, what does it seek to cure? Regards, Patrick On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
FYI - Anyone knows about this?
The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. It
has
interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. Read the draft bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
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-- Regards Brian Ngure
Can we all come up with our recommendations, collate those and pass them over to KICTANet where they can come up with a collective document to be presented to the Minister? Someone can start a google doc somewhere for us to post our input.. On 5 July 2016 at 21:59, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
I've been reading it. I really can't believe it's real! There is so much "ridiculousness" and possibility of greed in that document.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Steven Obbayi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
On top of that annual fee you have to demonstrate continuing education.... sic. Reading through that draft it has a bunch of some seriously problematic issues. With that draft the likes of Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and many others would not be licensed to work. The Ministry needs to hear our voice on this one.
On 7/5/16, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Looks like some guys want you to pay them 46K every year to enjoy themselves.
On 5 July 2016 at 21:15, Patrick Mathenge <kabiromathenge@gmail.com> wrote:
Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, what does it seek to cure? Regards, Patrick On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
FYI - Anyone knows about this?
The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. It
has
interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. Read the draft bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
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-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
-- Steve Obbayi | Software/Reverse Engineer, C++ Evangelist, Mountaineer Tel: (Ke) +254.726.244.166 | (USA) +1.407.992.8099 | Email: steve@sobbayi.com
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-- Regards
Brian Ngure
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lZ8m3WSH2JQSzTMBC8bkLRH8y2zzjyM9TzuUhGzO... From: Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>, Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Tuesday, 5 July 2016 10:04 pm To: Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> Cc: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Fwd: Kenya's ICT Practioners Bill: Pay 46K per year for license to practice! Can we all come up with our recommendations, collate those and pass them over to KICTANet where they can come up with a collective document to be presented to the Minister? Someone can start a google doc somewhere for us to post our input.. On 5 July 2016 at 21:59, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote: I've been reading it. I really can't believe it's real! There is so much "ridiculousness" and possibility of greed in that document. On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Steven Obbayi via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: On top of that annual fee you have to demonstrate continuing education.... sic. Reading through that draft it has a bunch of some seriously problematic issues. With that draft the likes of Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and many others would not be licensed to work. The Ministry needs to hear our voice on this one. On 7/5/16, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Looks like some guys want you to pay them 46K every year to enjoy themselves.
On 5 July 2016 at 21:15, Patrick Mathenge <kabiromathenge@gmail.com> wrote:
Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, what does it seek to cure? Regards, Patrick On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
FYI - Anyone knows about this?
The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. It has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. Read the draft bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
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-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
-- Steve Obbayi | Software/Reverse Engineer, C++ Evangelist, Mountaineer Tel: (Ke) +254.726.244.166 | (USA) +1.407.992.8099 | Email: steve@sobbayi.com Reverse Engineering . Creative Coding . Graphics Systems . Interactive Visuals . Virtual Content . Embedded Systems . Web Apps _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke -- Regards Brian Ngure -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft." _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
Someone already started one: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lZ8m3WSH2JQSzTMBC8bkLRH8y2zzjyM9TzuUhGzO... On Jul 5, 2016 22:09, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Can we all come up with our recommendations, collate those and pass them over to KICTANet where they can come up with a collective document to be presented to the Minister? Someone can start a google doc somewhere for us to post our input..
On 5 July 2016 at 21:59, Brian Ngure <brian@pixie.co.ke> wrote:
I've been reading it. I really can't believe it's real! There is so much "ridiculousness" and possibility of greed in that document.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Steven Obbayi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
On top of that annual fee you have to demonstrate continuing education.... sic. Reading through that draft it has a bunch of some seriously problematic issues. With that draft the likes of Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and many others would not be licensed to work. The Ministry needs to hear our voice on this one.
On 7/5/16, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Looks like some guys want you to pay them 46K every year to enjoy themselves.
On 5 July 2016 at 21:15, Patrick Mathenge <kabiromathenge@gmail.com> wrote:
Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, what does it seek to cure? Regards, Patrick On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
FYI - Anyone knows about this?
The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. It
has
interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. Read the draft bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
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-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
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Thanks Washington for this. Some preliminary issues on the Bill after reading it: 1. There is established an ICT Practitioners Institute 2. Information Communication Technology Association of Kenya nominates 5 people on the Board of the Institute. How many guys here are members of the ICT Association? Is it the bonafide body to represent all ICT practitioners in Kenya? 3. All ICT practitioners must be registered and licensed as ICT practitioners on payment of annual fees. 4. You must have a Diploma or Degree to qualify for registration as an ICT partitioner. Just think about Bill Gates and Zuckerberg. Non of them graduated from college, but they changed the world in their own small way. 5. You must have 3 years experience to practice ICT. 5. The example of Bill Gates and Zuckerberg is the best yet, of permission-less innovation 6. A person shall not operate an ICT firm unless it is registered by the Institute and has paid annual membership. 7. A person shall not be entitled to recover a fee for ICT services, unless such person is licensed under this Act. So my mechanic diagnoses my car using a computer, and does computerised wheel balancing. They may now be prepared to get licensed. Well this bill affects all techies in this list. The bill makes it illegal to practice your trade without being licensed. Well, the constitutions allows enough consultation before any bill is passed in parliament. If you feel your interests are not taken care by the new bill, then now is the time to raise your voice or forever keep your cool. We will deliver any petition from this list to Leader of Majority of the National Assembly, SNA, and Minister of ICT. Kazi Kwetu (kwenu) ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh On 5 July 2016 at 21:15, Patrick Mathenge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, what does it seek to cure? Regards, Patrick On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
FYI - Anyone knows about this?
The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. It has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. Read the draft bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
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Isn't this redundant? The communications authority (CA) already registers telecommunications personnel and operators. Na hii sasa? On Jul 5, 2016 10:38 PM, "Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Washington for this.
Some preliminary issues on the Bill after reading it: 1. There is established an ICT Practitioners Institute 2. Information Communication Technology Association of Kenya nominates 5 people on the Board of the Institute. How many guys here are members of the ICT Association? Is it the bonafide body to represent all ICT practitioners in Kenya? 3. All ICT practitioners must be registered and licensed as ICT practitioners on payment of annual fees. 4. You must have a Diploma or Degree to qualify for registration as an ICT partitioner. Just think about Bill Gates and Zuckerberg. Non of them graduated from college, but they changed the world in their own small way. 5. You must have 3 years experience to practice ICT. 5. The example of Bill Gates and Zuckerberg is the best yet, of permission-less innovation 6. A person shall not operate an ICT firm unless it is registered by the Institute and has paid annual membership. 7. A person shall not be entitled to recover a fee for ICT services, unless such person is licensed under this Act.
So my mechanic diagnoses my car using a computer, and does computerised wheel balancing. They may now be prepared to get licensed.
Well this bill affects all techies in this list. The bill makes it illegal to practice your trade without being licensed.
Well, the constitutions allows enough consultation before any bill is passed in parliament. If you feel your interests are not taken care by the new bill, then now is the time to raise your voice or forever keep your cool. We will deliver any petition from this list to Leader of Majority of the National Assembly, SNA, and Minister of ICT.
Kazi Kwetu (kwenu)
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
On 5 July 2016 at 21:15, Patrick Mathenge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, what does it seek to cure? Regards, Patrick On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
FYI - Anyone knows about this?
The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. It has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. Read the draft bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
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Looks like someone / some people want to start a cartel in the ICT industry, in my opinion this is total bullshit. I don’t want to come up with an innovative product / service then i have to report to some people. Total nonsense, i only report to the clients / market I’m selling to. On 5 July 2016 at 22:44, Moses Kiragu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Isn't this redundant? The communications authority (CA) already registers telecommunications personnel and operators. Na hii sasa? On Jul 5, 2016 10:38 PM, "Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Washington for this.
Some preliminary issues on the Bill after reading it: 1. There is established an ICT Practitioners Institute 2. Information Communication Technology Association of Kenya nominates 5 people on the Board of the Institute. How many guys here are members of the ICT Association? Is it the bonafide body to represent all ICT practitioners in Kenya? 3. All ICT practitioners must be registered and licensed as ICT practitioners on payment of annual fees. 4. You must have a Diploma or Degree to qualify for registration as an ICT partitioner. Just think about Bill Gates and Zuckerberg. Non of them graduated from college, but they changed the world in their own small way. 5. You must have 3 years experience to practice ICT. 5. The example of Bill Gates and Zuckerberg is the best yet, of permission-less innovation 6. A person shall not operate an ICT firm unless it is registered by the Institute and has paid annual membership. 7. A person shall not be entitled to recover a fee for ICT services, unless such person is licensed under this Act.
So my mechanic diagnoses my car using a computer, and does computerised wheel balancing. They may now be prepared to get licensed.
Well this bill affects all techies in this list. The bill makes it illegal to practice your trade without being licensed.
Well, the constitutions allows enough consultation before any bill is passed in parliament. If you feel your interests are not taken care by the new bill, then now is the time to raise your voice or forever keep your cool. We will deliver any petition from this list to Leader of Majority of the National Assembly, SNA, and Minister of ICT.
Kazi Kwetu (kwenu)
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
On 5 July 2016 at 21:15, Patrick Mathenge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, what does it seek to cure? Regards, Patrick On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
FYI - Anyone knows about this?
The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. It has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. Read the draft bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 "Oh, the cruft."
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This is total B***cr@p creates a lot of barrier to entry for people seeking ICT opportunities in any way. On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:20 PM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Looks like someone / some people want to start a cartel in the ICT industry, in my opinion this is total bullshit. I don’t want to come up with an innovative product / service then i have to report to some people. Total nonsense, i only report to the clients / market I’m selling to.
On 5 July 2016 at 22:44, Moses Kiragu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Isn't this redundant? The communications authority (CA) already registers telecommunications personnel and operators. Na hii sasa? On Jul 5, 2016 10:38 PM, "Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Washington for this.
Some preliminary issues on the Bill after reading it: 1. There is established an ICT Practitioners Institute 2. Information Communication Technology Association of Kenya nominates 5 people on the Board of the Institute. How many guys here are members of the ICT Association? Is it the bonafide body to represent all ICT practitioners in Kenya? 3. All ICT practitioners must be registered and licensed as ICT practitioners on payment of annual fees. 4. You must have a Diploma or Degree to qualify for registration as an ICT partitioner. Just think about Bill Gates and Zuckerberg. Non of them graduated from college, but they changed the world in their own small way. 5. You must have 3 years experience to practice ICT. 5. The example of Bill Gates and Zuckerberg is the best yet, of permission-less innovation 6. A person shall not operate an ICT firm unless it is registered by the Institute and has paid annual membership. 7. A person shall not be entitled to recover a fee for ICT services, unless such person is licensed under this Act.
So my mechanic diagnoses my car using a computer, and does computerised wheel balancing. They may now be prepared to get licensed.
Well this bill affects all techies in this list. The bill makes it illegal to practice your trade without being licensed.
Well, the constitutions allows enough consultation before any bill is passed in parliament. If you feel your interests are not taken care by the new bill, then now is the time to raise your voice or forever keep your cool. We will deliver any petition from this list to Leader of Majority of the National Assembly, SNA, and Minister of ICT.
Kazi Kwetu (kwenu)
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
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Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, what does it seek to cure? Regards, Patrick On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
FYI - Anyone knows about this?
The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. It has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. Read the draft bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
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I find it odd that the government or whoever the agency drafting this did not consult widely and they have very narrow thinking. ICT has been a source of employment for majority of the youth who could not secure jobs with government and other institutions, they have build opportunities by developing their own products and services portfolio which clients are happy with. You come back and tell us that you want to regulate that and impose a fee which most of these young stars can not even afford. Are you helping or are you making the situation worse, I wanted to see the following in this; 1. Support for start ups and what regulatory framework would be put into place to enhance these as a possible means of job creation 2. Professionals protection from unscrupulous customers 3. code of conduct which all members should subscribe to with proper guidelines on procedures and compliance 4. Mechanisms to liberalize the market and give the parties a wide commercial play filed 5. have a proper definition of who is an ICT practitioner, is it the telco, network, software, compliance, security, A+, strategist, designer, technician. Everyone who does anything mechanical including the electrical engineers some how interacts with ICT to achieve his perfect service provision. I find this misguided, misinformed, ridiculous, infamous and retrogressive #KillICTBILL Concerned Captain Warm Regards, Oliver Ndegwa TPC -0713777001 - intelligent systems for business leaders On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Tusker 21 via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
This is total B***cr@p creates a lot of barrier to entry for people seeking ICT opportunities in any way.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:20 PM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Looks like someone / some people want to start a cartel in the ICT industry, in my opinion this is total bullshit. I don’t want to come up with an innovative product / service then i have to report to some people. Total nonsense, i only report to the clients / market I’m selling to.
On 5 July 2016 at 22:44, Moses Kiragu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Isn't this redundant? The communications authority (CA) already registers telecommunications personnel and operators. Na hii sasa? On Jul 5, 2016 10:38 PM, "Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Washington for this.
Some preliminary issues on the Bill after reading it: 1. There is established an ICT Practitioners Institute 2. Information Communication Technology Association of Kenya nominates 5 people on the Board of the Institute. How many guys here are members of the ICT Association? Is it the bonafide body to represent all ICT practitioners in Kenya? 3. All ICT practitioners must be registered and licensed as ICT practitioners on payment of annual fees. 4. You must have a Diploma or Degree to qualify for registration as an ICT partitioner. Just think about Bill Gates and Zuckerberg. Non of them graduated from college, but they changed the world in their own small way. 5. You must have 3 years experience to practice ICT. 5. The example of Bill Gates and Zuckerberg is the best yet, of permission-less innovation 6. A person shall not operate an ICT firm unless it is registered by the Institute and has paid annual membership. 7. A person shall not be entitled to recover a fee for ICT services, unless such person is licensed under this Act.
So my mechanic diagnoses my car using a computer, and does computerised wheel balancing. They may now be prepared to get licensed.
Well this bill affects all techies in this list. The bill makes it illegal to practice your trade without being licensed.
Well, the constitutions allows enough consultation before any bill is passed in parliament. If you feel your interests are not taken care by the new bill, then now is the time to raise your voice or forever keep your cool. We will deliver any petition from this list to Leader of Majority of the National Assembly, SNA, and Minister of ICT.
Kazi Kwetu (kwenu)
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
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On 5 July 2016 at 21:15, Patrick Mathenge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, what does it seek to cure? Regards, Patrick On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
FYI - Anyone knows about this?
The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. It has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. Read the draft bill here:
http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic...
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Oliver, This is just the normal 'money making scheme' nothing new.....Kenyan Politics with Elections Coming ! Now trending on Twitter #KillTheICTBill Regards, On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Oliver Ndegwa via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I find it odd that the government or whoever the agency drafting this did not consult widely and they have very narrow thinking. ICT has been a source of employment for majority of the youth who could not secure jobs with government and other institutions, they have build opportunities by developing their own products and services portfolio which clients are happy with. You come back and tell us that you want to regulate that and impose a fee which most of these young stars can not even afford.
Are you helping or are you making the situation worse, I wanted to see the following in this;
1. Support for start ups and what regulatory framework would be put into place to enhance these as a possible means of job creation 2. Professionals protection from unscrupulous customers 3. code of conduct which all members should subscribe to with proper guidelines on procedures and compliance 4. Mechanisms to liberalize the market and give the parties a wide commercial play filed 5. have a proper definition of who is an ICT practitioner, is it the telco, network, software, compliance, security, A+, strategist, designer, technician. Everyone who does anything mechanical including the electrical engineers some how interacts with ICT to achieve his perfect service provision.
I find this misguided, misinformed, ridiculous, infamous and retrogressive #KillICTBILL
Concerned Captain
Warm Regards, Oliver Ndegwa
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On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Tusker 21 via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
This is total B***cr@p creates a lot of barrier to entry for people seeking ICT opportunities in any way.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:20 PM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Looks like someone / some people want to start a cartel in the ICT industry, in my opinion this is total bullshit. I don’t want to come up with an innovative product / service then i have to report to some people. Total nonsense, i only report to the clients / market I’m selling to.
On 5 July 2016 at 22:44, Moses Kiragu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Isn't this redundant? The communications authority (CA) already registers telecommunications personnel and operators. Na hii sasa? On Jul 5, 2016 10:38 PM, "Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Washington for this.
Some preliminary issues on the Bill after reading it: 1. There is established an ICT Practitioners Institute 2. Information Communication Technology Association of Kenya nominates 5 people on the Board of the Institute. How many guys here are members of the ICT Association? Is it the bonafide body to represent all ICT practitioners in Kenya? 3. All ICT practitioners must be registered and licensed as ICT practitioners on payment of annual fees. 4. You must have a Diploma or Degree to qualify for registration as an ICT partitioner. Just think about Bill Gates and Zuckerberg. Non of them graduated from college, but they changed the world in their own small way. 5. You must have 3 years experience to practice ICT. 5. The example of Bill Gates and Zuckerberg is the best yet, of permission-less innovation 6. A person shall not operate an ICT firm unless it is registered by the Institute and has paid annual membership. 7. A person shall not be entitled to recover a fee for ICT services, unless such person is licensed under this Act.
So my mechanic diagnoses my car using a computer, and does computerised wheel balancing. They may now be prepared to get licensed.
Well this bill affects all techies in this list. The bill makes it illegal to practice your trade without being licensed.
Well, the constitutions allows enough consultation before any bill is passed in parliament. If you feel your interests are not taken care by the new bill, then now is the time to raise your voice or forever keep your cool. We will deliver any petition from this list to Leader of Majority of the National Assembly, SNA, and Minister of ICT.
Kazi Kwetu (kwenu)
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
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On 5 July 2016 at 21:15, Patrick Mathenge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, what does it seek to cure? Regards, Patrick On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> > > FYI - Anyone knows about this? > > > > The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. It > has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will > register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. > Read the draft bill here: > > > http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic... > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 > "Oh, the cruft." > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Meanwhile http://goo.gl/c4XO9X On 6 July 2016 at 11:28, Oliver Ndegwa via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I find it odd that the government or whoever the agency drafting this did not consult widely and they have very narrow thinking. ICT has been a source of employment for majority of the youth who could not secure jobs with government and other institutions, they have build opportunities by developing their own products and services portfolio which clients are happy with. You come back and tell us that you want to regulate that and impose a fee which most of these young stars can not even afford.
Are you helping or are you making the situation worse, I wanted to see the following in this;
1. Support for start ups and what regulatory framework would be put into place to enhance these as a possible means of job creation 2. Professionals protection from unscrupulous customers 3. code of conduct which all members should subscribe to with proper guidelines on procedures and compliance 4. Mechanisms to liberalize the market and give the parties a wide commercial play filed 5. have a proper definition of who is an ICT practitioner, is it the telco, network, software, compliance, security, A+, strategist, designer, technician. Everyone who does anything mechanical including the electrical engineers some how interacts with ICT to achieve his perfect service provision.
I find this misguided, misinformed, ridiculous, infamous and retrogressive #KillICTBILL
Concerned Captain
Warm Regards, Oliver Ndegwa
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On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Tusker 21 via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
This is total B***cr@p creates a lot of barrier to entry for people seeking ICT opportunities in any way.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:20 PM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Looks like someone / some people want to start a cartel in the ICT industry, in my opinion this is total bullshit. I don’t want to come up with an innovative product / service then i have to report to some people. Total nonsense, i only report to the clients / market I’m selling to.
On 5 July 2016 at 22:44, Moses Kiragu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Isn't this redundant? The communications authority (CA) already registers telecommunications personnel and operators. Na hii sasa? On Jul 5, 2016 10:38 PM, "Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Washington for this.
Some preliminary issues on the Bill after reading it: 1. There is established an ICT Practitioners Institute 2. Information Communication Technology Association of Kenya nominates 5 people on the Board of the Institute. How many guys here are members of the ICT Association? Is it the bonafide body to represent all ICT practitioners in Kenya? 3. All ICT practitioners must be registered and licensed as ICT practitioners on payment of annual fees. 4. You must have a Diploma or Degree to qualify for registration as an ICT partitioner. Just think about Bill Gates and Zuckerberg. Non of them graduated from college, but they changed the world in their own small way. 5. You must have 3 years experience to practice ICT. 5. The example of Bill Gates and Zuckerberg is the best yet, of permission-less innovation 6. A person shall not operate an ICT firm unless it is registered by the Institute and has paid annual membership. 7. A person shall not be entitled to recover a fee for ICT services, unless such person is licensed under this Act.
So my mechanic diagnoses my car using a computer, and does computerised wheel balancing. They may now be prepared to get licensed.
Well this bill affects all techies in this list. The bill makes it illegal to practice your trade without being licensed.
Well, the constitutions allows enough consultation before any bill is passed in parliament. If you feel your interests are not taken care by the new bill, then now is the time to raise your voice or forever keep your cool. We will deliver any petition from this list to Leader of Majority of the National Assembly, SNA, and Minister of ICT.
Kazi Kwetu (kwenu)
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
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On 5 July 2016 at 21:15, Patrick Mathenge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, what does it seek to cure? Regards, Patrick On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> > > FYI - Anyone knows about this? > > > > The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. It > has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will > register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. > Read the draft bill here: > > > http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic... > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 > "Oh, the cruft." > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Signed already Wash ! On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Meanwhile http://goo.gl/c4XO9X
On 6 July 2016 at 11:28, Oliver Ndegwa via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I find it odd that the government or whoever the agency drafting this did not consult widely and they have very narrow thinking. ICT has been a source of employment for majority of the youth who could not secure jobs with government and other institutions, they have build opportunities by developing their own products and services portfolio which clients are happy with. You come back and tell us that you want to regulate that and impose a fee which most of these young stars can not even afford.
Are you helping or are you making the situation worse, I wanted to see the following in this;
1. Support for start ups and what regulatory framework would be put into place to enhance these as a possible means of job creation 2. Professionals protection from unscrupulous customers 3. code of conduct which all members should subscribe to with proper guidelines on procedures and compliance 4. Mechanisms to liberalize the market and give the parties a wide commercial play filed 5. have a proper definition of who is an ICT practitioner, is it the telco, network, software, compliance, security, A+, strategist, designer, technician. Everyone who does anything mechanical including the electrical engineers some how interacts with ICT to achieve his perfect service provision.
I find this misguided, misinformed, ridiculous, infamous and retrogressive #KillICTBILL
Concerned Captain
Warm Regards, Oliver Ndegwa
TPC -0713777001 - intelligent systems for business leaders
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Tusker 21 via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
This is total B***cr@p creates a lot of barrier to entry for people seeking ICT opportunities in any way.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:20 PM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Looks like someone / some people want to start a cartel in the ICT industry, in my opinion this is total bullshit. I don’t want to come up with an innovative product / service then i have to report to some people. Total nonsense, i only report to the clients / market I’m selling to.
On 5 July 2016 at 22:44, Moses Kiragu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Isn't this redundant? The communications authority (CA) already registers telecommunications personnel and operators. Na hii sasa? On Jul 5, 2016 10:38 PM, "Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Thanks Washington for this.
Some preliminary issues on the Bill after reading it: 1. There is established an ICT Practitioners Institute 2. Information Communication Technology Association of Kenya nominates 5 people on the Board of the Institute. How many guys here are members of the ICT Association? Is it the bonafide body to represent all ICT practitioners in Kenya? 3. All ICT practitioners must be registered and licensed as ICT practitioners on payment of annual fees. 4. You must have a Diploma or Degree to qualify for registration as an ICT partitioner. Just think about Bill Gates and Zuckerberg. Non of them graduated from college, but they changed the world in their own small way. 5. You must have 3 years experience to practice ICT. 5. The example of Bill Gates and Zuckerberg is the best yet, of permission-less innovation 6. A person shall not operate an ICT firm unless it is registered by the Institute and has paid annual membership. 7. A person shall not be entitled to recover a fee for ICT services, unless such person is licensed under this Act.
So my mechanic diagnoses my car using a computer, and does computerised wheel balancing. They may now be prepared to get licensed.
Well this bill affects all techies in this list. The bill makes it illegal to practice your trade without being licensed.
Well, the constitutions allows enough consultation before any bill is passed in parliament. If you feel your interests are not taken care by the new bill, then now is the time to raise your voice or forever keep your cool. We will deliver any petition from this list to Leader of Majority of the National Assembly, SNA, and Minister of ICT.
Kazi Kwetu (kwenu)
______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
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On 5 July 2016 at 21:15, Patrick Mathenge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, what > does it seek to cure? > Regards, > Patrick > On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> >> >> FYI - Anyone knows about this? >> >> >> >> The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. >> It has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will >> register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. >> Read the draft bill here: >> >> >> http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic... >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> Nairobi,KE >> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 >> "Oh, the cruft." >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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The cartel business in this country just got a notch higher. So, someone would go to college, pay to study ICT-related courses, come out, look for 46K to pay this cartel before hand to enable him start 'practicing'? I think those behind this ACT should be censored publicly. How did it even get to Parliament? Was it passed through the CS?? On 6 July 2016 at 12:57, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Signed already Wash !
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Meanwhile http://goo.gl/c4XO9X
On 6 July 2016 at 11:28, Oliver Ndegwa via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I find it odd that the government or whoever the agency drafting this did not consult widely and they have very narrow thinking. ICT has been a source of employment for majority of the youth who could not secure jobs with government and other institutions, they have build opportunities by developing their own products and services portfolio which clients are happy with. You come back and tell us that you want to regulate that and impose a fee which most of these young stars can not even afford.
Are you helping or are you making the situation worse, I wanted to see the following in this;
1. Support for start ups and what regulatory framework would be put into place to enhance these as a possible means of job creation 2. Professionals protection from unscrupulous customers 3. code of conduct which all members should subscribe to with proper guidelines on procedures and compliance 4. Mechanisms to liberalize the market and give the parties a wide commercial play filed 5. have a proper definition of who is an ICT practitioner, is it the telco, network, software, compliance, security, A+, strategist, designer, technician. Everyone who does anything mechanical including the electrical engineers some how interacts with ICT to achieve his perfect service provision.
I find this misguided, misinformed, ridiculous, infamous and retrogressive #KillICTBILL
Concerned Captain
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On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Tusker 21 via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
This is total B***cr@p creates a lot of barrier to entry for people seeking ICT opportunities in any way.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:20 PM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Looks like someone / some people want to start a cartel in the ICT industry, in my opinion this is total bullshit. I don’t want to come up with an innovative product / service then i have to report to some people. Total nonsense, i only report to the clients / market I’m selling to.
On 5 July 2016 at 22:44, Moses Kiragu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Isn't this redundant? The communications authority (CA) already registers telecommunications personnel and operators. Na hii sasa? On Jul 5, 2016 10:38 PM, "Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Thanks Washington for this. > > Some preliminary issues on the Bill after reading it: > 1. There is established an ICT Practitioners Institute > 2. Information Communication Technology Association of Kenya > nominates 5 people on the Board of the Institute. How many guys here are > members of the ICT Association? Is it the bonafide body to represent all > ICT practitioners in Kenya? > 3. All ICT practitioners must be registered and licensed as ICT > practitioners on payment of annual fees. > 4. You must have a Diploma or Degree to qualify for registration as > an ICT partitioner. Just think about Bill Gates and Zuckerberg. Non of them > graduated from college, but they changed the world in their own small way. > 5. You must have 3 years experience to practice ICT. > 5. The example of Bill Gates and Zuckerberg is the best yet, of > permission-less innovation > 6. A person shall not operate an ICT firm unless it is registered by > the Institute and has paid annual membership. > 7. A person shall not be entitled to recover a fee for ICT services, > unless such person is licensed under this Act. > > So my mechanic diagnoses my car using a computer, and does > computerised wheel balancing. They may now be prepared to get licensed. > > Well this bill affects all techies in this list. The bill makes it > illegal to practice your trade without being licensed. > > Well, the constitutions allows enough consultation before any bill > is passed in parliament. If you feel your interests are not taken care by > the new bill, then now is the time to raise your voice or forever keep your > cool. We will deliver any petition from this list to Leader of Majority of > the National Assembly, SNA, and Minister of ICT. > > > Kazi Kwetu (kwenu) > > > ______________________ > Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya > twitter.com/lordmwesh > > > ______________________ > Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya > twitter.com/lordmwesh > > > > On 5 July 2016 at 21:15, Patrick Mathenge via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, what >> does it seek to cure? >> Regards, >> Patrick >> On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> FYI - Anyone knows about this? >>> >>> >>> >>> The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. >>> It has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will >>> register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. >>> Read the draft bill here: >>> >>> >>> http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>> Nairobi,KE >>> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 >>> "Oh, the cruft." >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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The CS is well aware of it and doubt he can do anything to the Cartels. Let's all sign this act ASAP ! On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
The cartel business in this country just got a notch higher. So, someone would go to college, pay to study ICT-related courses, come out, look for 46K to pay this cartel before hand to enable him start 'practicing'? I think those behind this ACT should be censored publicly. How did it even get to Parliament? Was it passed through the CS??
On 6 July 2016 at 12:57, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Signed already Wash !
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Meanwhile http://goo.gl/c4XO9X
On 6 July 2016 at 11:28, Oliver Ndegwa via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I find it odd that the government or whoever the agency drafting this did not consult widely and they have very narrow thinking. ICT has been a source of employment for majority of the youth who could not secure jobs with government and other institutions, they have build opportunities by developing their own products and services portfolio which clients are happy with. You come back and tell us that you want to regulate that and impose a fee which most of these young stars can not even afford.
Are you helping or are you making the situation worse, I wanted to see the following in this;
1. Support for start ups and what regulatory framework would be put into place to enhance these as a possible means of job creation 2. Professionals protection from unscrupulous customers 3. code of conduct which all members should subscribe to with proper guidelines on procedures and compliance 4. Mechanisms to liberalize the market and give the parties a wide commercial play filed 5. have a proper definition of who is an ICT practitioner, is it the telco, network, software, compliance, security, A+, strategist, designer, technician. Everyone who does anything mechanical including the electrical engineers some how interacts with ICT to achieve his perfect service provision.
I find this misguided, misinformed, ridiculous, infamous and retrogressive #KillICTBILL
Concerned Captain
Warm Regards, Oliver Ndegwa
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On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Tusker 21 via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
This is total B***cr@p creates a lot of barrier to entry for people seeking ICT opportunities in any way.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:20 PM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Looks like someone / some people want to start a cartel in the ICT industry, in my opinion this is total bullshit. I don’t want to come up with an innovative product / service then i have to report to some people. Total nonsense, i only report to the clients / market I’m selling to.
On 5 July 2016 at 22:44, Moses Kiragu via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Isn't this redundant? The communications authority (CA) already > registers telecommunications personnel and operators. Na hii sasa? > On Jul 5, 2016 10:38 PM, "Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks" < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Thanks Washington for this. >> >> Some preliminary issues on the Bill after reading it: >> 1. There is established an ICT Practitioners Institute >> 2. Information Communication Technology Association of Kenya >> nominates 5 people on the Board of the Institute. How many guys here are >> members of the ICT Association? Is it the bonafide body to represent all >> ICT practitioners in Kenya? >> 3. All ICT practitioners must be registered and licensed as ICT >> practitioners on payment of annual fees. >> 4. You must have a Diploma or Degree to qualify for registration as >> an ICT partitioner. Just think about Bill Gates and Zuckerberg. Non of them >> graduated from college, but they changed the world in their own small way. >> 5. You must have 3 years experience to practice ICT. >> 5. The example of Bill Gates and Zuckerberg is the best yet, of >> permission-less innovation >> 6. A person shall not operate an ICT firm unless it is registered >> by the Institute and has paid annual membership. >> 7. A person shall not be entitled to recover a fee for ICT >> services, unless such person is licensed under this Act. >> >> So my mechanic diagnoses my car using a computer, and does >> computerised wheel balancing. They may now be prepared to get licensed. >> >> Well this bill affects all techies in this list. The bill makes it >> illegal to practice your trade without being licensed. >> >> Well, the constitutions allows enough consultation before any bill >> is passed in parliament. If you feel your interests are not taken care by >> the new bill, then now is the time to raise your voice or forever keep your >> cool. We will deliver any petition from this list to Leader of Majority of >> the National Assembly, SNA, and Minister of ICT. >> >> >> Kazi Kwetu (kwenu) >> >> >> ______________________ >> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya >> twitter.com/lordmwesh >> >> >> ______________________ >> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya >> twitter.com/lordmwesh >> >> >> >> On 5 July 2016 at 21:15, Patrick Mathenge via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, what >>> does it seek to cure? >>> Regards, >>> Patrick >>> On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> FYI - Anyone knows about this? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in Parliament. >>>> It has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute that will >>>> register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the prescribed fees. >>>> Read the draft bill here: >>>> >>>> >>>> http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>>> Nairobi,KE >>>> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 >>>> "Oh, the cruft." >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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I guess KillICTBill, may not trend because all Ninjas are away on special mission :) *_______________________________________________________________We must Keep on, We can't stop here * On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The CS is well aware of it and doubt he can do anything to the Cartels.
Let's all sign this act ASAP !
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
The cartel business in this country just got a notch higher. So, someone would go to college, pay to study ICT-related courses, come out, look for 46K to pay this cartel before hand to enable him start 'practicing'? I think those behind this ACT should be censored publicly. How did it even get to Parliament? Was it passed through the CS??
On 6 July 2016 at 12:57, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Signed already Wash !
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Meanwhile http://goo.gl/c4XO9X
On 6 July 2016 at 11:28, Oliver Ndegwa via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I find it odd that the government or whoever the agency drafting this did not consult widely and they have very narrow thinking. ICT has been a source of employment for majority of the youth who could not secure jobs with government and other institutions, they have build opportunities by developing their own products and services portfolio which clients are happy with. You come back and tell us that you want to regulate that and impose a fee which most of these young stars can not even afford.
Are you helping or are you making the situation worse, I wanted to see the following in this;
1. Support for start ups and what regulatory framework would be put into place to enhance these as a possible means of job creation 2. Professionals protection from unscrupulous customers 3. code of conduct which all members should subscribe to with proper guidelines on procedures and compliance 4. Mechanisms to liberalize the market and give the parties a wide commercial play filed 5. have a proper definition of who is an ICT practitioner, is it the telco, network, software, compliance, security, A+, strategist, designer, technician. Everyone who does anything mechanical including the electrical engineers some how interacts with ICT to achieve his perfect service provision.
I find this misguided, misinformed, ridiculous, infamous and retrogressive #KillICTBILL
Concerned Captain
Warm Regards, Oliver Ndegwa
TPC -0713777001 - intelligent systems for business leaders
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Tusker 21 via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
This is total B***cr@p creates a lot of barrier to entry for people seeking ICT opportunities in any way.
On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:20 PM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> Looks like someone / some people want to start a cartel in the ICT > industry, in my opinion this is total bullshit. I don’t want to come up > with an innovative product / service then i have to report to some people. > Total nonsense, i only report to the clients / market I’m selling to. > > On 5 July 2016 at 22:44, Moses Kiragu via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Isn't this redundant? The communications authority (CA) already >> registers telecommunications personnel and operators. Na hii sasa? >> On Jul 5, 2016 10:38 PM, "Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks" < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Washington for this. >>> >>> Some preliminary issues on the Bill after reading it: >>> 1. There is established an ICT Practitioners Institute >>> 2. Information Communication Technology Association of Kenya >>> nominates 5 people on the Board of the Institute. How many guys here are >>> members of the ICT Association? Is it the bonafide body to represent all >>> ICT practitioners in Kenya? >>> 3. All ICT practitioners must be registered and licensed as ICT >>> practitioners on payment of annual fees. >>> 4. You must have a Diploma or Degree to qualify for registration >>> as an ICT partitioner. Just think about Bill Gates and Zuckerberg. Non of >>> them graduated from college, but they changed the world in their own small >>> way. >>> 5. You must have 3 years experience to practice ICT. >>> 5. The example of Bill Gates and Zuckerberg is the best yet, of >>> permission-less innovation >>> 6. A person shall not operate an ICT firm unless it is registered >>> by the Institute and has paid annual membership. >>> 7. A person shall not be entitled to recover a fee for ICT >>> services, unless such person is licensed under this Act. >>> >>> So my mechanic diagnoses my car using a computer, and does >>> computerised wheel balancing. They may now be prepared to get licensed. >>> >>> Well this bill affects all techies in this list. The bill makes it >>> illegal to practice your trade without being licensed. >>> >>> Well, the constitutions allows enough consultation before any bill >>> is passed in parliament. If you feel your interests are not taken care by >>> the new bill, then now is the time to raise your voice or forever keep your >>> cool. We will deliver any petition from this list to Leader of Majority of >>> the National Assembly, SNA, and Minister of ICT. >>> >>> >>> Kazi Kwetu (kwenu) >>> >>> >>> ______________________ >>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya >>> twitter.com/lordmwesh >>> >>> >>> ______________________ >>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya >>> twitter.com/lordmwesh >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5 July 2016 at 21:15, Patrick Mathenge via skunkworks < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, >>>> what does it seek to cure? >>>> Regards, >>>> Patrick >>>> On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> FYI - Anyone knows about this? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in >>>>> Parliament. It has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute >>>>> that will register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the >>>>> prescribed fees. Read the draft bill here: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>>>> Nairobi,KE >>>>> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 >>>>> "Oh, the cruft." >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Regards, > James > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Aka 36 bloggers ? lol On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:16 PM, joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
I guess KillICTBill, may not trend because all Ninjas are away on special mission :)
*_______________________________________________________________We must Keep on, We can't stop here *
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The CS is well aware of it and doubt he can do anything to the Cartels.
Let's all sign this act ASAP !
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
The cartel business in this country just got a notch higher. So, someone would go to college, pay to study ICT-related courses, come out, look for 46K to pay this cartel before hand to enable him start 'practicing'? I think those behind this ACT should be censored publicly. How did it even get to Parliament? Was it passed through the CS??
On 6 July 2016 at 12:57, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Signed already Wash !
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Meanwhile http://goo.gl/c4XO9X
On 6 July 2016 at 11:28, Oliver Ndegwa via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
I find it odd that the government or whoever the agency drafting this did not consult widely and they have very narrow thinking. ICT has been a source of employment for majority of the youth who could not secure jobs with government and other institutions, they have build opportunities by developing their own products and services portfolio which clients are happy with. You come back and tell us that you want to regulate that and impose a fee which most of these young stars can not even afford.
Are you helping or are you making the situation worse, I wanted to see the following in this;
1. Support for start ups and what regulatory framework would be put into place to enhance these as a possible means of job creation 2. Professionals protection from unscrupulous customers 3. code of conduct which all members should subscribe to with proper guidelines on procedures and compliance 4. Mechanisms to liberalize the market and give the parties a wide commercial play filed 5. have a proper definition of who is an ICT practitioner, is it the telco, network, software, compliance, security, A+, strategist, designer, technician. Everyone who does anything mechanical including the electrical engineers some how interacts with ICT to achieve his perfect service provision.
I find this misguided, misinformed, ridiculous, infamous and retrogressive #KillICTBILL
Concerned Captain
Warm Regards, Oliver Ndegwa
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On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Tusker 21 via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> This is total B***cr@p creates a lot of barrier to entry for people > seeking ICT opportunities in any way. > > On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:20 PM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> Looks like someone / some people want to start a cartel in the ICT >> industry, in my opinion this is total bullshit. I don’t want to come up >> with an innovative product / service then i have to report to some people. >> Total nonsense, i only report to the clients / market I’m selling to. >> >> On 5 July 2016 at 22:44, Moses Kiragu via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Isn't this redundant? The communications authority (CA) already >>> registers telecommunications personnel and operators. Na hii sasa? >>> On Jul 5, 2016 10:38 PM, "Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks" < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Washington for this. >>>> >>>> Some preliminary issues on the Bill after reading it: >>>> 1. There is established an ICT Practitioners Institute >>>> 2. Information Communication Technology Association of Kenya >>>> nominates 5 people on the Board of the Institute. How many guys here are >>>> members of the ICT Association? Is it the bonafide body to represent all >>>> ICT practitioners in Kenya? >>>> 3. All ICT practitioners must be registered and licensed as ICT >>>> practitioners on payment of annual fees. >>>> 4. You must have a Diploma or Degree to qualify for registration >>>> as an ICT partitioner. Just think about Bill Gates and Zuckerberg. Non of >>>> them graduated from college, but they changed the world in their own small >>>> way. >>>> 5. You must have 3 years experience to practice ICT. >>>> 5. The example of Bill Gates and Zuckerberg is the best yet, of >>>> permission-less innovation >>>> 6. A person shall not operate an ICT firm unless it is registered >>>> by the Institute and has paid annual membership. >>>> 7. A person shall not be entitled to recover a fee for ICT >>>> services, unless such person is licensed under this Act. >>>> >>>> So my mechanic diagnoses my car using a computer, and does >>>> computerised wheel balancing. They may now be prepared to get licensed. >>>> >>>> Well this bill affects all techies in this list. The bill makes >>>> it illegal to practice your trade without being licensed. >>>> >>>> Well, the constitutions allows enough consultation before any >>>> bill is passed in parliament. If you feel your interests are not taken care >>>> by the new bill, then now is the time to raise your voice or forever keep >>>> your cool. We will deliver any petition from this list to Leader of >>>> Majority of the National Assembly, SNA, and Minister of ICT. >>>> >>>> >>>> Kazi Kwetu (kwenu) >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________ >>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya >>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________ >>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya >>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5 July 2016 at 21:15, Patrick Mathenge via skunkworks < >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, >>>>> what does it seek to cure? >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Patrick >>>>> On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> FYI - Anyone knows about this? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in >>>>>> Parliament. It has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute >>>>>> that will register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the >>>>>> prescribed fees. Read the draft bill here: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>>>>> Nairobi,KE >>>>>> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 >>>>>> "Oh, the cruft." >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> James >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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My Bad, it's now trending, build your loops and recursions here ninjas! #KillICTBill, it's a way for it to get media attention before it's quietly passed. rgds *_______________________________________________________________We must Keep on, We can't stop here * On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Aka 36 bloggers ? lol
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:16 PM, joe mwirigi <joemwirigi@gmail.com> wrote:
I guess KillICTBill, may not trend because all Ninjas are away on special mission :)
*_______________________________________________________________We must Keep on, We can't stop here *
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Alvin Jason Ochieng via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The CS is well aware of it and doubt he can do anything to the Cartels.
Let's all sign this act ASAP !
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
The cartel business in this country just got a notch higher. So, someone would go to college, pay to study ICT-related courses, come out, look for 46K to pay this cartel before hand to enable him start 'practicing'? I think those behind this ACT should be censored publicly. How did it even get to Parliament? Was it passed through the CS??
On 6 July 2016 at 12:57, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
Signed already Wash !
On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Meanwhile http://goo.gl/c4XO9X
On 6 July 2016 at 11:28, Oliver Ndegwa via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
> I find it odd that the government or whoever the agency drafting > this did not consult widely and they have very narrow thinking. > ICT has been a source of employment for majority of the youth who > could not secure jobs with government and other institutions, they have > build opportunities by developing their own products and services portfolio > which clients are happy with. > You come back and tell us that you want to regulate that and impose > a fee which most of these young stars can not even afford. > > Are you helping or are you making the situation worse, I wanted to > see the following in this; > > 1. Support for start ups and what regulatory framework would be put > into place to enhance these as a possible means of job creation > 2. Professionals protection from unscrupulous customers > 3. code of conduct which all members should subscribe to with proper > guidelines on procedures and compliance > 4. Mechanisms to liberalize the market and give the parties a wide > commercial play filed > 5. have a proper definition of who is an ICT practitioner, is it the > telco, network, software, compliance, security, A+, strategist, designer, > technician. Everyone who does anything mechanical including the electrical > engineers some how interacts with ICT to achieve his perfect service > provision. > > I find this misguided, misinformed, ridiculous, infamous and > retrogressive > #KillICTBILL > > Concerned Captain > > > > Warm Regards, > Oliver Ndegwa > > TPC -0713777001 - intelligent systems for business leaders > > > > On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Tusker 21 via skunkworks < > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: > >> This is total B***cr@p creates a lot of barrier to entry for >> people seeking ICT opportunities in any way. >> >> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 11:20 PM, James Njoroge via skunkworks < >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >> >>> Looks like someone / some people want to start a cartel in the ICT >>> industry, in my opinion this is total bullshit. I don’t want to come up >>> with an innovative product / service then i have to report to some people. >>> Total nonsense, i only report to the clients / market I’m selling to. >>> >>> On 5 July 2016 at 22:44, Moses Kiragu via skunkworks < >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>> >>>> Isn't this redundant? The communications authority (CA) already >>>> registers telecommunications personnel and operators. Na hii sasa? >>>> On Jul 5, 2016 10:38 PM, "Mwendwa Kivuva via skunkworks" < >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks Washington for this. >>>>> >>>>> Some preliminary issues on the Bill after reading it: >>>>> 1. There is established an ICT Practitioners Institute >>>>> 2. Information Communication Technology Association of Kenya >>>>> nominates 5 people on the Board of the Institute. How many guys here are >>>>> members of the ICT Association? Is it the bonafide body to represent all >>>>> ICT practitioners in Kenya? >>>>> 3. All ICT practitioners must be registered and licensed as ICT >>>>> practitioners on payment of annual fees. >>>>> 4. You must have a Diploma or Degree to qualify for registration >>>>> as an ICT partitioner. Just think about Bill Gates and Zuckerberg. Non of >>>>> them graduated from college, but they changed the world in their own small >>>>> way. >>>>> 5. You must have 3 years experience to practice ICT. >>>>> 5. The example of Bill Gates and Zuckerberg is the best yet, of >>>>> permission-less innovation >>>>> 6. A person shall not operate an ICT firm unless it is >>>>> registered by the Institute and has paid annual membership. >>>>> 7. A person shall not be entitled to recover a fee for ICT >>>>> services, unless such person is licensed under this Act. >>>>> >>>>> So my mechanic diagnoses my car using a computer, and does >>>>> computerised wheel balancing. They may now be prepared to get licensed. >>>>> >>>>> Well this bill affects all techies in this list. The bill makes >>>>> it illegal to practice your trade without being licensed. >>>>> >>>>> Well, the constitutions allows enough consultation before any >>>>> bill is passed in parliament. If you feel your interests are not taken care >>>>> by the new bill, then now is the time to raise your voice or forever keep >>>>> your cool. We will deliver any petition from this list to Leader of >>>>> Majority of the National Assembly, SNA, and Minister of ICT. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kazi Kwetu (kwenu) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________ >>>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya >>>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ______________________ >>>>> Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya >>>>> twitter.com/lordmwesh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 5 July 2016 at 21:15, Patrick Mathenge via skunkworks < >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Have been seeing it on the Kickanet forum... Big question is, >>>>>> what does it seek to cure? >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Patrick >>>>>> On Jul 5, 2016 9:04 PM, "Odhiambo Washington via skunkworks" < >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> FYI - Anyone knows about this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Kenya ICT Practitioners Bill 2016 is currently in >>>>>>> Parliament. It has interesting proposals for example to have an Institute >>>>>>> that will register and license ICT practitioners on payment of the >>>>>>> prescribed fees. Read the draft bill here: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://kenyalaw.org/kl/fileadmin/pdfdownloads/bills/2016/InformationCommunic... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >>>>>>> Nairobi,KE >>>>>>> +254 7 3200 0004/+254 7 2274 3223 >>>>>>> "Oh, the cruft." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> skunkworks mailing list >>>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards, >>> James >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> skunkworks mailing list >>> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> skunkworks mailing list >> skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > _______________________________________________ > skunkworks mailing list > skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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On 6 July 2016 at 13:26, joe mwirigi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
#KillICTBill
Joe, I think it's #KillTheICTBill ______________________ Mwendwa Kivuva, Nairobi, Kenya twitter.com/lordmwesh
#KillTheICTBill #*ICTPractitionersBill* <https://twitter.com/hashtag/ICTPractitionersBill?src=hash> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 1:35 PM, Mwendwa Kivuva <lordmwesh@gmail.com> wrote:
On 6 July 2016 at 13:26, joe mwirigi via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
#KillICTBill
Joe, I think it's #KillTheICTBill
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