Anyone experiencing a total outtage on Zain network? -- Mwafrika
Yes I do On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:24 AM, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone experiencing a total outtage on Zain network?
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Popote Ulipo for you!!!! What is happening to Zain?? On 10/5/09, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone experiencing a total outtage on Zain network?
-- Mwafrika
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Yep.. Its down .. looks like they are off air 2009/10/5 nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com>
Anyone experiencing a total outtage on Zain network?
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Off air? Thought offline. Yeah it has been quiet pathetic for the last one week, though on phone it's working albeit with outages. I hope someone from technical dept, is not punishing the consumers because of disagreements with the management! On 05/10/2009, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep.. Its down .. looks like they are off air
2009/10/5 nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com>
Anyone experiencing a total outtage on Zain network?
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Hi, you say its working on phone with outages. How is the internet? On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Off air? Thought offline. Yeah it has been quiet pathetic for the last one week, though on phone it's working albeit with outages. I hope someone from technical dept, is not punishing the consumers because of disagreements with the management!
On 05/10/2009, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep.. Its down .. looks like they are off air
2009/10/5 nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com>
Anyone experiencing a total outtage on Zain network?
-- Mwafrika
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AND
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Off air ... .. what you are seeing on the phone is the signal from the BTS to your phone but thats about all the service u will get .. beyond the BTS to the switches is totally dead 2009/10/5 Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>
Off air? Thought offline. Yeah it has been quiet pathetic for the last one week, though on phone it's working albeit with outages. I hope someone from technical dept, is not punishing the consumers because of disagreements with the management!
On 05/10/2009, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep.. Its down .. looks like they are off air
2009/10/5 nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com>
Anyone experiencing a total outtage on Zain network?
-- Mwafrika
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Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!
AND
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I am in Embakasi, I have not noticed anything wrong. I have received calls and smss from people in town and vice versa since 7.00am On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
Off air ... .. what you are seeing on the phone is the signal from the BTS to your phone but thats about all the service u will get .. beyond the BTS to the switches is totally dead
2009/10/5 Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>
Off air? Thought offline. Yeah it has been quiet pathetic for the last
one week, though on phone it's working albeit with outages. I hope someone from technical dept, is not punishing the consumers because of disagreements with the management!
On 05/10/2009, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep.. Its down .. looks like they are off air
2009/10/5 nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com>
Anyone experiencing a total outtage on Zain network?
-- Mwafrika
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I meant there were outages when browsing using the modem since last week and the CC guys{I think they are called customer care executives} told me they are sorting that out. If talking about texts and calls I have not noticed any problem from Ruiru, where I am. On 05/10/2009, Michael Omondi <michaelomondi@gmail.com> wrote:
I am in Embakasi, I have not noticed anything wrong. I have received calls and smss from people in town and vice versa since 7.00am
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
Off air ... .. what you are seeing on the phone is the signal from the BTS to your phone but thats about all the service u will get .. beyond the BTS to the switches is totally dead
2009/10/5 Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com>
Off air? Thought offline. Yeah it has been quiet pathetic for the last
one week, though on phone it's working albeit with outages. I hope someone from technical dept, is not punishing the consumers because of disagreements with the management!
On 05/10/2009, Thomas Kibui <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep.. Its down .. looks like they are off air
2009/10/5 nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com>
Anyone experiencing a total outtage on Zain network?
-- Mwafrika
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-- Solomon Mburu P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041
Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!
AND
It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity!
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Any1 from zain on the list...? My net and phone are not going thru too ...in westie.. -- Regards Mathu http://sojjar.blogspot.com
Yep. Its down + most pesa points.. Rgds, Dru. On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Paul Mathu <mails.mathu@gmail.com> wrote:
Any1 from zain on the list...? My net and phone are not going thru too ...in westie..
-- Regards
Mathu
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From what I hear the problem is in CBD, Westlands and Ngong areas. At least that is the alert that has been sent. Though I have seen the same problem around Gigiri. Regards,
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Yep. Its down + most pesa points..
Rgds, Dru.
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Paul Mathu <mails.mathu@gmail.com> wrote:
Any1 from zain on the list...? My net and phone are not going thru too ...in westie..
-- Regards
Mathu
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Think its up now in Westy. What might have been the problem? On 10/5/09, Andrew Wafula <awafula@gmail.com> wrote:
From what I hear the problem is in CBD, Westlands and Ngong areas. At least that is the alert that has been sent. Though I have seen the same problem around Gigiri. Regards,
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On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Andrew Kerich <andykerich@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep. Its down + most pesa points..
Rgds, Dru.
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Paul Mathu <mails.mathu@gmail.com> wrote:
Any1 from zain on the list...? My net and phone are not going thru too ...in westie..
-- Regards
Mathu
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Could one of the skunks just buy zain? On 10/5/09, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
Think its up now in Westy. What might have been the problem?
On 10/5/09, Andrew Wafula <awafula@gmail.com> wrote:
From what I hear the problem is in CBD, Westlands and Ngong areas. At least that is the alert that has been sent. Though I have seen the same problem around Gigiri. Regards,
====================== Andrew Wafula Wapakala Web: www.wertsoft.com MSN: a_wafula@hotmail.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/awafula Blog: http://thewert.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================== If you have made mistakes...there is always another chance for you... you may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing we call 'failure' is not the falling down, but the staying down. - Mary Pickford "Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People"
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Andrew Kerich <andykerich@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep. Its down + most pesa points..
Rgds, Dru.
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Paul Mathu <mails.mathu@gmail.com> wrote:
Any1 from zain on the list...? My net and phone are not going thru too ...in westie..
-- Regards
Mathu
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Th outage also affected the roaming service as well this morning and it now seems to be back on as well. Thanks for the heads up thought i was out of units ;) Regards, Mich Gichuki John Chuksjonia wrote:
Could one of the skunks just buy zain?
On 10/5/09, Ken Teyie <kenteyie@gmail.com> wrote:
Think its up now in Westy. What might have been the problem?
On 10/5/09, Andrew Wafula <awafula@gmail.com> wrote:
From what I hear the problem is in CBD, Westlands and Ngong areas. At least that is the alert that has been sent. Though I have seen the same problem around Gigiri. Regards,
====================== Andrew Wafula Wapakala Web: www.wertsoft.com MSN: a_wafula@hotmail.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/awafula Blog: http://thewert.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================== If you have made mistakes...there is always another chance for you... you may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing we call 'failure' is not the falling down, but the staying down. - Mary Pickford "Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People"
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Andrew Kerich <andykerich@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep. Its down + most pesa points..
Rgds, Dru.
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Paul Mathu <mails.mathu@gmail.com> wrote:
Any1 from zain on the list...? My net and phone are not going thru too ...in westie..
-- Regards
Mathu
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�When you are busy making excuses, you are not making money, making friends, or making the world a better place. Every loser out there has an excuse as to why they�re not a winner � but at the end of the day, they�re still a loser with an excuse.� -Tana Goertz _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
From what I had, there sites were down and the engineers rectified it. I however had a very funny behaviour on my phones - on the nokia, the signal bars were there but couldn't make or receive any calls, but on the iPhone, it was continously searching until I couldn't even use my other features which are network independent - very curious why this was so and at one point I thought it was a problem with my iPhone.
./Ok3ch On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote:
Th outage also affected the roaming service as well this morning and it now seems to be back on as well. Thanks for the heads up thought i was out of units ;)
One strange thing, though, they didn't inform the consumers of an impending outage. This, in my opinion, would have been the best choice for averting complaints about an outage and established enough confidence from the public. My thoughts! On 06/10/2009, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
From what I had, there sites were down and the engineers rectified it. I however had a very funny behaviour on my phones - on the nokia, the signal bars were there but couldn't make or receive any calls, but on the iPhone, it was continously searching until I couldn't even use my other features which are network independent - very curious why this was so and at one point I thought it was a problem with my iPhone.
./Ok3ch
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Michuki Mwangi <michuki@swiftkenya.com> wrote:
Th outage also affected the roaming service as well this morning and it now seems to be back on as well. Thanks for the heads up thought i was out of units ;)
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On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
One strange thing, though, they didn't inform the consumers of an impending outage.
there was never an "impending" outage, it was an unexpected outage. They did send out an apology, thus acknowledging the incident, though, which I think is a good thing. BR, S
SOLOMON....Surely do you think ZAIN anticipated an outtage at peak hrs and let it take course? Most technical faults are never seen apriori and it is unrealistic for a customer to be warned beforehand unless it is a scheduled maintenance. Dont fry zain,they lost more biz than majority of their subscibers due to that outtage. On 06/10/2009, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
One strange thing, though, they didn't inform the consumers of an impending outage.
there was never an "impending" outage, it was an unexpected outage. They did send out an apology, thus acknowledging the incident, though, which I think is a good thing.
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A reliable source tells me that one of their their ADMs "died" Any Zain guy to confirm this?And how comes they do not have redundancy on key BSC components and services? On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:
SOLOMON....Surely do you think ZAIN anticipated an outtage at peak hrs and let it take course? Most technical faults are never seen apriori and it is unrealistic for a customer to be warned beforehand unless it is a scheduled maintenance. Dont fry zain,they lost more biz than majority of their subscibers due to that outtage.
On 06/10/2009, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
One strange thing, though, they didn't inform the consumers of an impending outage.
there was never an "impending" outage, it was an unexpected outage. They did send out an apology, thus acknowledging the incident, though, which I think is a good thing.
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My line is also down & i have no bills pending !!! NKT !!!! On 10/6/09, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote:
A reliable source tells me that one of their their ADMs "died" Any Zain guy to confirm this?And how comes they do not have redundancy on key BSC components and services? On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com>wrote:
SOLOMON....Surely do you think ZAIN anticipated an outtage at peak hrs and let it take course? Most technical faults are never seen apriori and it is unrealistic for a customer to be warned beforehand unless it is a scheduled maintenance. Dont fry zain,they lost more biz than majority of their subscibers due to that outtage.
On 06/10/2009, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
One strange thing, though, they didn't inform the consumers of an impending outage.
there was never an "impending" outage, it was an unexpected outage. They did send out an apology, thus acknowledging the incident, though, which I think is a good thing.
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u cant have redundant BSC's On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
My line is also down & i have no bills pending !!! NKT !!!!
On 10/6/09, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote:
A reliable source tells me that one of their their ADMs "died" Any Zain guy to confirm this?And how comes they do not have redundancy on key BSC components and services? On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com>wrote:
SOLOMON....Surely do you think ZAIN anticipated an outtage at peak hrs and let it take course? Most technical faults are never seen apriori and it is unrealistic for a customer to be warned beforehand unless it is a scheduled maintenance. Dont fry zain,they lost more biz than majority of their subscibers due to that outtage.
On 06/10/2009, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
One strange thing, though, they didn't inform the consumers of an impending outage.
there was never an "impending" outage, it was an unexpected outage. They did send out an apology, thus acknowledging the incident, though, which I think is a good thing.
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Roy,True that, but all hardware modules in a BSC are totally redundant (either 1+1 or N+1 redundancy scheme) including the PCM interface boards, providing an automatic failover switch capability. This is true for all serious GSM equipment vendors. So the services dependent on these modules shouldn't be down that long especially for a big GSM provider like Zain and in locations like the CBD where the number of subscribers is humongous. This is all based on a lot of theory and a little bit of observation so my conjecture is open to correction. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Roy Michoma <roymichoma@gmail.com> wrote:
u cant have redundant BSC's
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com>wrote:
My line is also down & i have no bills pending !!! NKT !!!!
On 10/6/09, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote:
A reliable source tells me that one of their their ADMs "died" Any Zain guy to confirm this?And how comes they do not have redundancy on key BSC components and services? On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com>wrote:
SOLOMON....Surely do you think ZAIN anticipated an outtage at peak hrs and let it take course? Most technical faults are never seen apriori and it is unrealistic for a customer to be warned beforehand unless it is a scheduled maintenance. Dont fry zain,they lost more biz than majority of their subscibers due to that outtage.
On 06/10/2009, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
One strange thing, though, they didn't inform the consumers of an impending outage.
there was never an "impending" outage, it was an unexpected outage. They did send out an apology, thus acknowledging the incident, though, which I think is a good thing.
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It's not possible to comprehend the problem unless you understand the GSM Architecture in the light of what Nick has offered to be correct and heard the same from another reliable source. All Nairobi and greater Nairobi all the way to Kajiado is handled by a BSC site in a building within the CBD and is backhauled to Parkside where the MSC is located via fiber. As part of the transmission design they have Add Drop Multiplexers (ADMs) which provision STM connections depending on need and protection to the MSC site or other locations. It's these ADMs that failed causing the problem. This is would have been the case had it been a physical fiber break and it reveals need for additional transmission redundancy or protection as is commonly referred. It's not unusual for incidents like this to occur in normal operations of a GSM network and we should not be very harsh on them. The loss of business during this window is punishment enough. Kiania On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:48 AM, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote:
Roy, True that, but all hardware modules in a BSC are totally redundant (either 1+1 or N+1 redundancy scheme) including the PCM interface boards, providing an automatic failover switch capability. This is true for all serious GSM equipment vendors. So the services dependent on these modules shouldn't be down that long especially for a big GSM provider like Zain and in locations like the CBD where the number of subscribers is humongous. This is all based on a lot of theory and a little bit of observation so my conjecture is open to correction. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Roy Michoma <roymichoma@gmail.com> wrote:
u cant have redundant BSC's
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
My line is also down & i have no bills pending !!! NKT !!!!
On 10/6/09, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote:
A reliable source tells me that one of their their ADMs "died" Any Zain guy to confirm this?And how comes they do not have redundancy on key BSC components and services? On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:
SOLOMON....Surely do you think ZAIN anticipated an outtage at peak hrs and let it take course? Most technical faults are never seen apriori and it is unrealistic for a customer to be warned beforehand unless it is a scheduled maintenance. Dont fry zain,they lost more biz than majority of their subscibers due to that outtage.
On 06/10/2009, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote: > One strange thing, though, they didn't inform the consumers of an > impending outage.
there was never an "impending" outage, it was an unexpected outage. They did send out an apology, thus acknowledging the incident, though, which I think is a good thing.
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Don't you love this list, all the tech stuff is very impressive anyway give Zain a breather. Look at the incumbent in there sector, it has all kinds of issues and Zain gets a rear tech hitch and you are quick to judge. It has the best voice service in kenya. On 10/6/09, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
It's not possible to comprehend the problem unless you understand the GSM Architecture in the light of what Nick has offered to be correct and heard the same from another reliable source. All Nairobi and greater Nairobi all the way to Kajiado is handled by a BSC site in a building within the CBD and is backhauled to Parkside where the MSC is located via fiber.
As part of the transmission design they have Add Drop Multiplexers (ADMs) which provision STM connections depending on need and protection to the MSC site or other locations. It's these ADMs that failed causing the problem. This is would have been the case had it been a physical fiber break and it reveals need for additional transmission redundancy or protection as is commonly referred.
It's not unusual for incidents like this to occur in normal operations of a GSM network and we should not be very harsh on them. The loss of business during this window is punishment enough.
Kiania
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:48 AM, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote:
Roy, True that, but all hardware modules in a BSC are totally redundant (either 1+1 or N+1 redundancy scheme) including the PCM interface boards, providing an automatic failover switch capability. This is true for all serious GSM equipment vendors. So the services dependent on these modules shouldn't be down that long especially for a big GSM provider like Zain and in locations like the CBD where the number of subscribers is humongous. This is all based on a lot of theory and a little bit of observation so my conjecture is open to correction. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Roy Michoma <roymichoma@gmail.com> wrote:
u cant have redundant BSC's
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> wrote:
My line is also down & i have no bills pending !!! NKT !!!!
On 10/6/09, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote:
A reliable source tells me that one of their their ADMs "died" Any Zain guy to confirm this?And how comes they do not have redundancy on key BSC components and services? On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:
SOLOMON....Surely do you think ZAIN anticipated an outtage at peak hrs and let it take course? Most technical faults are never seen apriori and it is unrealistic for a customer to be warned beforehand unless it is a scheduled maintenance. Dont fry zain,they lost more biz than majority of their subscibers due to that outtage.
On 06/10/2009, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> > wrote: >> One strange thing, though, they didn't inform the consumers of an >> impending outage. > > there was never an "impending" outage, it was an unexpected outage. > They did send out an apology, thus acknowledging the incident, > though, > which I think is a good thing. > > BR, > S > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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@Job, thanks to skunkworks, I can now take part in intelligent conversations with intelligent people talking about intelligent sounding stuff like ADMs, BSCs, MSCs and my ultimate favourite, DTMF! :-) If skunksworks was a person, I would make him my best friend! On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:
Don't you love this list, all the tech stuff is very impressive anyway give Zain a breather. Look at the incumbent in there sector, it has all kinds of issues and Zain gets a rear tech hitch and you are quick to judge. It has the best voice service in kenya.
On 10/6/09, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
It's not possible to comprehend the problem unless you understand the GSM Architecture in the light of what Nick has offered to be correct and heard the same from another reliable source. All Nairobi and greater Nairobi all the way to Kajiado is handled by a BSC site in a building within the CBD and is backhauled to Parkside where the MSC is located via fiber.
As part of the transmission design they have Add Drop Multiplexers (ADMs) which provision STM connections depending on need and protection to the MSC site or other locations. It's these ADMs that failed causing the problem. This is would have been the case had it been a physical fiber break and it reveals need for additional transmission redundancy or protection as is commonly referred.
It's not unusual for incidents like this to occur in normal operations of a GSM network and we should not be very harsh on them. The loss of business during this window is punishment enough.
Kiania
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:48 AM, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote:
Roy, True that, but all hardware modules in a BSC are totally redundant (either 1+1 or N+1 redundancy scheme) including the PCM interface boards, providing an automatic failover switch capability. This is true for all serious GSM equipment vendors. So the services dependent on these modules shouldn't be down that long especially for a big GSM provider like Zain and in locations like the CBD where the number of subscribers is humongous. This is all based on a lot of theory and a little bit of observation so my conjecture is open to correction. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Roy Michoma <roymichoma@gmail.com> wrote:
u cant have redundant BSC's
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <
ajochola@gmail.com>
wrote:
My line is also down & i have no bills pending !!! NKT !!!!
On 10/6/09, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote:
A reliable source tells me that one of their their ADMs "died" Any
Zain
guy to confirm this?And how comes they do not have redundancy on key BSC components and services? On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote: > > SOLOMON....Surely do you think ZAIN anticipated an outtage at peak hrs > and let it take course? Most technical faults are never seen apriori > and it is unrealistic for a customer to be warned beforehand unless it > is a scheduled maintenance. Dont fry zain,they lost more biz than > majority of their subscibers due to that outtage. > > On 06/10/2009, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Solomon Mburu < solo.mburu@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> One strange thing, though, they didn't inform the consumers of an > >> impending outage. > > > > there was never an "impending" outage, it was an unexpected outage. > > They did send out an apology, thus acknowledging the incident, > > though, > > which I think is a good thing. > > > > BR, > > S > > _______________________________________________ > > Skunkworks mailing list > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > Other lists > > ------------- > > Announce: > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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<puke> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> Reply-to: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> To: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Zain outtage?? Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:02:50 +0300 @Job, thanks to skunkworks, I can now take part in intelligent conversations with intelligent people talking about intelligent sounding stuff like ADMs, BSCs, MSCs and my ultimate favourite, DTMF! :-) If skunksworks was a person, I would make him my best friend! On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote: Don't you love this list, all the tech stuff is very impressive anyway give Zain a breather. Look at the incumbent in there sector, it has all kinds of issues and Zain gets a rear tech hitch and you are quick to judge. It has the best voice service in kenya. On 10/6/09, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote: > It's not possible to comprehend the problem unless you understand the > GSM Architecture in the light of what Nick has offered to be correct > and heard the same from another reliable source. All Nairobi and > greater Nairobi all the way to Kajiado is handled by a BSC site in a > building within the CBD and is backhauled to Parkside where the MSC is > located via fiber. > > As part of the transmission design they have Add Drop Multiplexers > (ADMs) which provision STM connections depending on need and > protection to the MSC site or other locations. It's these ADMs that > failed causing the problem. This is would have been the case had it > been a physical fiber break and it reveals need for additional > transmission redundancy or protection as is commonly referred. > > It's not unusual for incidents like this to occur in normal operations > of a GSM network and we should not be very harsh on them. The loss of > business during this window is punishment enough. > > Kiania > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:48 AM, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote: >> Roy, >> True that, but all hardware modules in a BSC are totally redundant (either >> 1+1 or N+1 redundancy scheme) including the PCM interface >> boards, providing >> an automatic failover switch capability. This is true for all serious GSM >> equipment vendors. So the services dependent on these modules shouldn't be >> down that long especially for a big GSM provider like Zain and in >> locations >> like the CBD where the number of subscribers is humongous. >> This is all based on a lot of theory and a little bit of observation so my >> conjecture is open to correction. >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Roy Michoma <roymichoma@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> u cant have redundant BSC's >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> My line is also down & i have no bills pending !!! NKT !!!! >>>> >>>> On 10/6/09, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A reliable source tells me that one of their their ADMs "died" Any Zain >>>>> guy to confirm this?And how comes they do not have redundancy on key >>>>> BSC >>>>> components and services? >>>>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> SOLOMON....Surely do you think ZAIN anticipated an outtage at peak hrs >>>>>> and let it take course? Most technical faults are never seen apriori >>>>>> and it is unrealistic for a customer to be warned beforehand unless it >>>>>> is a scheduled maintenance. Dont fry zain,they lost more biz than >>>>>> majority of their subscibers due to that outtage. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 06/10/2009, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >> One strange thing, though, they didn't inform the consumers of an >>>>>> >> impending outage. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > there was never an "impending" outage, it was an unexpected outage. >>>>>> > They did send out an apology, thus acknowledging the incident, >>>>>> > though, >>>>>> > which I think is a good thing. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > BR, >>>>>> > S >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> > Other lists >>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>> > Announce: >>>>>> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>>>> > Science: 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HI Nick, Regarding BSC Modules i'd say all modules have redundancy for all vendors and for an operator to purchase one without would be very foolish of them ......nway having cleared that up in this scenario the Tx link for MSC to BSC failed there is no recovering from that apart from having protected tx link to BSC cheers On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Joe Murithi Njeru <joe.njeru@gmail.com>wrote:
<puke> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> Reply-to: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> To: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Zain outtage?? Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:02:50 +0300
@Job, thanks to skunkworks, I can now take part in intelligent conversations with intelligent people talking about intelligent sounding stuff like ADMs, BSCs, MSCs and my ultimate favourite, DTMF! :-) If skunksworks was a person, I would make him my best friend!
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote: Don't you love this list, all the tech stuff is very impressive anyway give Zain a breather. Look at the incumbent in there sector, it has all kinds of issues and Zain gets a rear tech hitch and you are quick to judge. It has the best voice service in kenya.
On 10/6/09, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote: > It's not possible to comprehend the problem unless you understand the > GSM Architecture in the light of what Nick has offered to be correct > and heard the same from another reliable source. All Nairobi and > greater Nairobi all the way to Kajiado is handled by a BSC site in a > building within the CBD and is backhauled to Parkside where the MSC is > located via fiber. > > As part of the transmission design they have Add Drop Multiplexers > (ADMs) which provision STM connections depending on need and > protection to the MSC site or other locations. It's these ADMs that > failed causing the problem. This is would have been the case had it > been a physical fiber break and it reveals need for additional > transmission redundancy or protection as is commonly referred. > > It's not unusual for incidents like this to occur in normal operations > of a GSM network and we should not be very harsh on them. The loss of > business during this window is punishment enough. > > Kiania > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:48 AM, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote: >> Roy, >> True that, but all hardware modules in a BSC are totally redundant (either >> 1+1 or N+1 redundancy scheme) including the PCM interface >> boards, providing >> an automatic failover switch capability. This is true for all serious GSM >> equipment vendors. So the services dependent on these modules shouldn't be >> down that long especially for a big GSM provider like Zain and in >> locations >> like the CBD where the number of subscribers is humongous. >> This is all based on a lot of theory and a little bit of observation so my >> conjecture is open to correction. >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Roy Michoma <roymichoma@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> u cant have redundant BSC's >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> My line is also down & i have no bills pending !!! NKT !!!! >>>> >>>> On 10/6/09, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A reliable source tells me that one of their their ADMs "died" Any Zain >>>>> guy to confirm this?And how comes they do not have redundancy on key >>>>> BSC >>>>> components and services? >>>>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> SOLOMON....Surely do you think ZAIN anticipated an outtage at peak hrs >>>>>> and let it take course? Most technical faults are never seen apriori >>>>>> and it is unrealistic for a customer to be warned beforehand unless it >>>>>> is a scheduled maintenance. Dont fry zain,they lost more biz than >>>>>> majority of their subscibers due to that outtage. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 06/10/2009, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >> One strange thing, though, they didn't inform the consumers of an >>>>>> >> impending outage. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > there was never an "impending" outage, it was an unexpected outage. >>>>>> > They did send out an apology, thus acknowledging the incident, >>>>>> > though, >>>>>> > which I think is a good thing. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > BR, >>>>>> > S >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> > Other lists >>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>> > Announce: >>>>>> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>>>> > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>>>> > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> Other lists >>>>>> ------------- >>>>>> Announce: >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>>>> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>>>> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mwafrika >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> Other lists >>>>> ------------- >>>>> Announce: >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>>> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>>> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> Other lists >>>> ------------- >>>> Announce: >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> Other lists >>> ------------- >>> Announce: >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> >> >> >> -- >> Mwafrika >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> > > > > -- > > [Asentric Consulting Ltd] > > If a man has in himself the soul of a slave will he not become one no > matter what his birth .... > > -Richest Man in Babylon > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >
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If Safcon apologized every-time they had an outage, would clients complain of spamming??? On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Roy Michoma <roymichoma@gmail.com> wrote:
HI Nick, Regarding BSC Modules i'd say all modules have redundancy for all vendors and for an operator to purchase one without would be very foolish of them ......nway having cleared that up in this scenario the Tx link for MSC to BSC failed there is no recovering from that apart from having protected tx link to BSC
cheers
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:08 PM, Joe Murithi Njeru <joe.njeru@gmail.com>wrote:
<puke> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> Reply-to: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> To: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Zain outtage?? Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:02:50 +0300
@Job, thanks to skunkworks, I can now take part in intelligent conversations with intelligent people talking about intelligent sounding stuff like ADMs, BSCs, MSCs and my ultimate favourite, DTMF! :-) If skunksworks was a person, I would make him my best friend!
On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote: Don't you love this list, all the tech stuff is very impressive anyway give Zain a breather. Look at the incumbent in there sector, it has all kinds of issues and Zain gets a rear tech hitch and you are quick to judge. It has the best voice service in kenya.
On 10/6/09, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote: > It's not possible to comprehend the problem unless you understand the > GSM Architecture in the light of what Nick has offered to be correct > and heard the same from another reliable source. All Nairobi and > greater Nairobi all the way to Kajiado is handled by a BSC site in a > building within the CBD and is backhauled to Parkside where the MSC is > located via fiber. > > As part of the transmission design they have Add Drop Multiplexers > (ADMs) which provision STM connections depending on need and > protection to the MSC site or other locations. It's these ADMs that > failed causing the problem. This is would have been the case had it > been a physical fiber break and it reveals need for additional > transmission redundancy or protection as is commonly referred. > > It's not unusual for incidents like this to occur in normal operations > of a GSM network and we should not be very harsh on them. The loss of > business during this window is punishment enough. > > Kiania > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:48 AM, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote: >> Roy, >> True that, but all hardware modules in a BSC are totally redundant (either >> 1+1 or N+1 redundancy scheme) including the PCM interface >> boards, providing >> an automatic failover switch capability. This is true for all serious GSM >> equipment vendors. So the services dependent on these modules shouldn't be >> down that long especially for a big GSM provider like Zain and in >> locations >> like the CBD where the number of subscribers is humongous. >> This is all based on a lot of theory and a little bit of observation so my >> conjecture is open to correction. >> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Roy Michoma <roymichoma@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> u cant have redundant BSC's >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Alvin Jason Ochieng <ajochola@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> My line is also down & i have no bills pending !!! NKT !!!! >>>> >>>> On 10/6/09, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A reliable source tells me that one of their their ADMs "died" Any Zain >>>>> guy to confirm this?And how comes they do not have redundancy on key >>>>> BSC >>>>> components and services? >>>>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> SOLOMON....Surely do you think ZAIN anticipated an outtage at peak hrs >>>>>> and let it take course? Most technical faults are never seen apriori >>>>>> and it is unrealistic for a customer to be warned beforehand unless it >>>>>> is a scheduled maintenance. Dont fry zain,they lost more biz than >>>>>> majority of their subscibers due to that outtage. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 06/10/2009, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >> One strange thing, though, they didn't inform the consumers of an >>>>>> >> impending outage. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > there was never an "impending" outage, it was an unexpected outage. >>>>>> > They did send out an apology, thus acknowledging the incident, >>>>>> > though, >>>>>> > which I think is a good thing. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > BR, >>>>>> > S >>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> > Other lists >>>>>> > ------------- >>>>>> > Announce: >>>>>> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>>>> > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>>>> > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> Other lists >>>>>> ------------- >>>>>> Announce: >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>>>> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>>>> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mwafrika >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> Other lists >>>>> ------------- >>>>> Announce: >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>>> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>>> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> Other lists >>>> ------------- >>>> Announce: >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> Other lists >>> ------------- >>> Announce: >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> >> >> >> -- >> Mwafrika >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >> > > > > -- > > [Asentric Consulting Ltd] > > If a man has in himself the soul of a slave will he not become one no > matter what his birth .... > > -Richest Man in Babylon > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >
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On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:24 AM, nick muttai <nmuttai@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone experiencing a total outtage on Zain network?
Off Air around Wilson Airport. Maybe they are packing their bags? :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
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