and functionality. And with this advent, very few will go for any tablets based on Android - perhaps this lot will mostly be content-creators, I am not sure. And I don't have the benefit of comparison figures like everyone else. I just know Windows Surface is a killer, which has even gotten Apple thinking/restrategizing.
Agree. Window 8 would most likely be what triggered Apple to release the smaller ipad. Mainly, to offer a product that can undercut Microsoft/M$ in price. And to me, that's a really effective weapon that you seem to be overlooking
I don't know about Windows 8 (on the Desktop) uptake though. Price is right, but that's just because M$ has seen that there is not much that Windows 8 offers over WinXP and Win7. Personally I think Windows 8 is just another OS, but a way for M$ to make money - sell cheap, sell more. Soon
Yes, don't think desktop environment will be changing any time soon. Its M$ place for life
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Hehehe, William, I stopped taking Viceroy, moved on to Jameson so start prepping bottles.
Lol, you changed drinks too. Okay cool, will fish for you some Jameson bottles. Petty confident Android will hold fine unless M$ adjust its priced downward
Your take on Nokia is very agreeable, let me say I had a more of a Windows 8 thinking than of Nokia itself. It may be easy for an SIII user to buy a high end Samsung Windows 8 than maybe to go Lumia, but in the long run, Windows 8 will eat up the phone market share at a very fast rate.
Yes, never understand why people are optimistic about Nokia. They have so much head wind I dont see Window 8 alone changing much...
On the tablet, it's gonna be a no challenge. Current market shares are like 70% Apple & the rest 30%. I see Windows 8 eating away that 30% so rapidly u will be shocked, and also some of the 70% since a lot of these are people do not just want to consume content anymore, but to make it. Was interesting to hear how speaker after speaker talked how they always travel with an iPad & a laptop, but with Windows 8, this is going to drastically change, all u will need is a tablet.
You are really pessimist on Android. Sure, they may not have the best interface out there but I still think that the fact you can find solid product from $300 to $500 and lots of not so good looking but usable products at as low as $100 make it unlikely to be going the way of the dodo soon. I tend to use Androids alone so may be assessment is compromised
Time will tell.. Muriithi
./Ok3ch
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 17, 2012, at 9:15 PM, William Muriithi <william.muriithi@gmail.com> wrote:
I was at the Microsoft Windows 8 launch last night and I was very impressed, having been an anti-M$ crusader for all this time. I have a few predictions and maybe we have talked about them in this forum, but having seen it I just couldn't help myself:
Ha, Okech being impressed by Windows products. Thats petty interesting as I never thought I will hear that from you. Agree though, petty neat when you check it initially, but a pain if you need to do something more involving fast. I guess people who use Windows will acclimatise to it petty fast, but if your only time with Linux is once in a while, it may get painful.
1) M$ is definitely getting its groove back and will eat a big chunk of what was 'stolen' from it in the desktop market share. The pricing is right and the product is awesome. The may not stop the surge of Apple (maybe am just a fun) but they will readily take back from the UNIX novices (the hardcore will never move) - I see the market share going back into the 90+ percentage (85?)
Window market share on desktop and notebooks have never gone below 90% I think. I think even if there is far more OSX around, the Window ecosystem has grown proportionally faster and preserved that market share. Window 8 will easily keep that share in my opinion.
2) The phone market, I see Nokia having made a very good gamble (+all the vendors who will jump in - Samsung & HTC are here too!) I see Windows phone eating away the market share of Android, though not a lot to make Android crumble, but I see them overtaking Apple on this front (since Apple is still a niche product - may not actually go down, but Android's loss will be M$ gain) I would still bet my money that Nokia has no where to go but down. They poisoned their relationship with carrier and that is akin of Microsoft pissing on the Wintel hardware company.
Their other problem is, in my opinion, despite window 8 being a great phone OS finally, they are too late in the market. I would say the smart phone market is now mature and not driven by the aesthetic of the interface, but on the hard reality of how deep one pocket is. Early adopters tend not to be sensitive to price, but when the masses pick up, the only property they care about is, "how much damage is this thing going to do to my pocket?". If you haven't make some money before then and try to keep the price up, you are done as far as market share is concerned. Don't think it matter to Apple though as they have learned to work with a small profitable share, but Microsoft may not have that luxury. That in turn makes Nokia odds not too attractive.
3) Tablet market will be a war between Apple and M$ - Apple will remain on top, but the big loser here will be Android, with a possible under 10% market share. Really, 10% for Android. Will buy you tonnes of viceroy if that ever come true :) Anyway, a good read and look forward to see how it materialize These are my 2 cents.
./Ok3ch Muriithi
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Hi,
Am looking for an open source libray system any ideas?
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and functionality. And with this advent, very few will go for any tablets based on Android - perhaps this lot will mostly be content-creators, I am not sure. And I don't have the benefit of comparison figures like everyone else. I just know Windows Surface is a killer, which has even gotten Apple thinking/restrategizing.
Agree. Window 8 would most likely be what triggered Apple to release the smaller ipad. Mainly, to offer a product that can undercut Microsoft/M$ in price. And to me, that's a really effective weapon that you seem to be overlooking
I don't know about Windows 8 (on the Desktop) uptake though. Price is right, but that's just because M$ has seen that there is not much that Windows 8 offers over WinXP and Win7. Personally I think Windows 8 is just another OS, but a way for M$ to make money - sell cheap, sell more. Soon
Yes, don't think desktop environment will be changing any time soon. Its M$ place for life
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Hehehe, William, I stopped taking Viceroy, moved on to Jameson so start prepping bottles.
Lol, you changed drinks too. Okay cool, will fish for you some Jameson bottles. Petty confident Android will hold fine unless M$ adjust its priced downward
Your take on Nokia is very agreeable, let me say I had a more of a Windows 8 thinking than of Nokia itself. It may be easy for an SIII user to buy a high end Samsung Windows 8 than maybe to go Lumia, but in the long run, Windows 8 will eat up the phone market share at a very fast rate.
Yes, never understand why people are optimistic about Nokia. They have so much head wind I dont see Window 8 alone changing much...
On the tablet, it's gonna be a no challenge. Current market shares are like 70% Apple & the rest 30%. I see Windows 8 eating away that 30% so rapidly u will be shocked, and also some of the 70% since a lot of these are people do not just want to consume content anymore, but to make it. Was interesting to hear how speaker after speaker talked how they always travel with an iPad & a laptop, but with Windows 8, this is going to drastically change, all u will need is a tablet.
You are really pessimist on Android. Sure, they may not have the best interface out there but I still think that the fact you can find solid product from $300 to $500 and lots of not so good looking but usable products at as low as $100 make it unlikely to be going the way of the dodo soon. I tend to use Androids alone so may be assessment is compromised
Time will tell.. Muriithi
./Ok3ch
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 17, 2012, at 9:15 PM, William Muriithi <william.muriithi@gmail.com> wrote:
I was at the Microsoft Windows 8 launch last night and I was very impressed, having been an anti-M$ crusader for all this time. I have a few predictions and maybe we have talked about them in this forum, but having seen it I just couldn't help myself:
Ha, Okech being impressed by Windows products. Thats petty interesting as I never thought I will hear that from you. Agree though, petty neat when you check it initially, but a pain if you need to do something more involving fast. I guess people who use Windows will acclimatise to it petty fast, but if your only time with Linux is once in a while, it may get painful.
1) M$ is definitely getting its groove back and will eat a big chunk of what was 'stolen' from it in the desktop market share. The pricing is right and the product is awesome. The may not stop the surge of Apple (maybe am just a fun) but they will readily take back from the UNIX novices (the hardcore will never move) - I see the market share going back into the 90+ percentage (85?)
Window market share on desktop and notebooks have never gone below 90% I think. I think even if there is far more OSX around, the Window ecosystem has grown proportionally faster and preserved that market share. Window 8 will easily keep that share in my opinion.
2) The phone market, I see Nokia having made a very good gamble (+all the vendors who will jump in - Samsung & HTC are here too!) I see Windows phone eating away the market share of Android, though not a lot to make Android crumble, but I see them overtaking Apple on this front (since Apple is still a niche product - may not actually go down, but Android's loss will be M$ gain) I would still bet my money that Nokia has no where to go but down. They poisoned their relationship with carrier and that is akin of Microsoft pissing on the Wintel hardware company.
Their other problem is, in my opinion, despite window 8 being a great phone OS finally, they are too late in the market. I would say the smart phone market is now mature and not driven by the aesthetic of the interface, but on the hard reality of how deep one pocket is. Early adopters tend not to be sensitive to price, but when the masses pick up, the only property they care about is, "how much damage is this thing going to do to my pocket?". If you haven't make some money before then and try to keep the price up, you are done as far as market share is concerned. Don't think it matter to Apple though as they have learned to work with a small profitable share, but Microsoft may not have that luxury. That in turn makes Nokia odds not too attractive.
3) Tablet market will be a war between Apple and M$ - Apple will remain on top, but the big loser here will be Android, with a possible under 10% market share. Really, 10% for Android. Will buy you tonnes of viceroy if that ever come true :) Anyway, a good read and look forward to see how it materialize These are my 2 cents.
./Ok3ch Muriithi
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Am looking for an open source libray system any ideas?
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Did they have the Windows surface at the launch?
R T21
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I was at the Microsoft Windows 8 launch last night and I was very impressed, having been an anti-M$ crusader for all this time. I have a few predictions and maybe we have talked about them in this forum, but having seen it I just couldn't help myself:
1) M$ is definitely getting its groove back and will eat a big chunk of what was 'stolen' from it in the desktop market share. The pricing is right and the product is awesome. The may not stop the surge of Apple (maybe am just a fun) but they will readily take back from the UNIX novices (the hardcore will never move) - I see the market share going back into the 90+ percentage (85?)
2) The phone market, I see Nokia having made a very good gamble (+all the vendors who will jump in - Samsung & HTC are here too!) I see Windows phone eating away the market share of Android, though not a lot to make Android crumble, but I see them overtaking Apple on this front (since Apple is still a niche product - may not actually go down, but Android's loss will be M$ gain)
3) Tablet market will be a war between Apple and M$ - Apple will remain on top, but the big loser here will be Android, with a possible under 10% market share.
These are my 2 cents.
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i attended the event and the launch was great...amazing how they are managing competition in the cloud world.. developers are also coming up of age but still alot of talent out there to nurture... Im definitely taking advantage of the upgrade offer..
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:
My eye is on the *Microsoft* Surface Tablet.
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Interesting. I have also seen different reports regarding the new product. See this article that gives a different perspective.
http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/slideshows/windows-8-vs.-os-x-mountain-...
Regards.
JM
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com>
wrote:
Did they have the Windows surface at the launch?
R T21
On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi All,
I was at the Microsoft Windows 8 launch last night and I was very impressed, having been an anti-M$ crusader for all this time. I have a few predictions and maybe we have talked about them in this forum, but having seen it I just couldn't help myself:
1) M$ is definitely getting its groove back and will eat a big chunk of what was 'stolen' from it in the desktop market share. The pricing is right and the product is awesome. The may not stop the surge of Apple (maybe am just a fun) but they will readily take back from the UNIX novices (the hardcore will never move) - I see the market share going back into the 90+ percentage (85?)
2) The phone market, I see Nokia having made a very good gamble (+all the vendors who will jump in - Samsung & HTC are here too!) I see Windows phone eating away the market share of Android, though not a lot to make Android crumble, but I see them overtaking Apple on this front (since Apple is still a niche product - may not actually go down, but Android's loss will be M$ gain)
3) Tablet market will be a war between Apple and M$ - Apple will remain on top, but the big loser here will be Android, with a possible under 10% market share.
These are my 2 cents.
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Just read this article and it seems I may have to swallow my words - but maybe its just the rough start - http://www.extremetech.com/computing/140664-three-weeks-in-the-lackluster-la... ./Ok3ch On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 6:09 PM, <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
At this rate tablet prices will be determined by size like flat screen TVs. About 10 usd per sq inch
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and functionality. And with this advent, very few will go for any tablets based on Android - perhaps this lot will mostly be content-creators, I am not sure. And I don't have the benefit of comparison figures like everyone else. I just know Windows Surface is a killer, which has even gotten Apple thinking/restrategizing.
Agree. Window 8 would most likely be what triggered Apple to release the smaller ipad. Mainly, to offer a product that can undercut Microsoft/M$ in price. And to me, that's a really effective weapon that you seem to be overlooking
I don't know about Windows 8 (on the Desktop) uptake though. Price is right, but that's just because M$ has seen that there is not much that Windows 8 offers over WinXP and Win7. Personally I think Windows 8 is just another OS, but a way for M$ to make money - sell cheap, sell more. Soon
Yes, don't think desktop environment will be changing any time soon. Its M$ place for life
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Hehehe, William, I stopped taking Viceroy, moved on to Jameson so start prepping bottles.
Lol, you changed drinks too. Okay cool, will fish for you some Jameson bottles. Petty confident Android will hold fine unless M$ adjust its priced downward
Your take on Nokia is very agreeable, let me say I had a more of a Windows 8 thinking than of Nokia itself. It may be easy for an SIII user to buy a high end Samsung Windows 8 than maybe to go Lumia, but in the long run, Windows 8 will eat up the phone market share at a very fast rate.
Yes, never understand why people are optimistic about Nokia. They have so much head wind I dont see Window 8 alone changing much...
On the tablet, it's gonna be a no challenge. Current market shares are like 70% Apple & the rest 30%. I see Windows 8 eating away that 30% so rapidly u will be shocked, and also some of the 70% since a lot of these are people do not just want to consume content anymore, but to make it. Was interesting to hear how speaker after speaker talked how they always travel with an iPad & a laptop, but with Windows 8, this is going to drastically change, all u will need is a tablet.
You are really pessimist on Android. Sure, they may not have the best interface out there but I still think that the fact you can find solid product from $300 to $500 and lots of not so good looking but usable products at as low as $100 make it unlikely to be going the way of the dodo soon. I tend to use Androids alone so may be assessment is compromised
Time will tell..
Muriithi
./Ok3ch
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On Nov 17, 2012, at 9:15 PM, William Muriithi <william.muriithi@gmail.com> wrote:
I was at the Microsoft Windows 8 launch last night and I was very impressed, having been an anti-M$ crusader for all this time. I have a few predictions and maybe we have talked about them in this forum, but having seen it I just couldn't help myself:
Ha, Okech being impressed by Windows products. Thats petty interesting as I never thought I will hear that from you. Agree though, petty neat when you check it initially, but a pain if you need to do something more involving fast. I guess people who use Windows will acclimatise to it petty fast, but if your only time with Linux is once in a while, it may get painful.
1) M$ is definitely getting its groove back and will eat a big chunk of what was 'stolen' from it in the desktop market share. The pricing is right and the product is awesome. The may not stop the surge of Apple (maybe am just a fun) but they will readily take back from the UNIX novices (the hardcore will never move) - I see the market share going back into the 90+ percentage (85?)
Window market share on desktop and notebooks have never gone below 90% I think. I think even if there is far more OSX around, the Window ecosystem has grown proportionally faster and preserved that market share. Window 8 will easily keep that share in my opinion.
2) The phone market, I see Nokia having made a very good gamble (+all the vendors who will jump in - Samsung & HTC are here too!) I see Windows phone eating away the market share of Android, though not a lot to make Android crumble, but I see them overtaking Apple on this front (since Apple is still a niche product - may not actually go down, but Android's loss will be M$ gain) I would still bet my money that Nokia has no where to go but down. They poisoned their relationship with carrier and that is akin of Microsoft pissing on the Wintel hardware company.
Their other problem is, in my opinion, despite window 8 being a great phone OS finally, they are too late in the market. I would say the smart phone market is now mature and not driven by the aesthetic of the interface, but on the hard reality of how deep one pocket is. Early adopters tend not to be sensitive to price, but when the masses pick up, the only property they care about is, "how much damage is this thing going to do to my pocket?". If you haven't make some money before then and try to keep the price up, you are done as far as market share is concerned. Don't think it matter to Apple though as they have learned to work with a small profitable share, but Microsoft may not have that luxury. That in turn makes Nokia odds not too attractive.
3) Tablet market will be a war between Apple and M$ - Apple will remain on top, but the big loser here will be Android, with a possible under 10% market share. Really, 10% for Android. Will buy you tonnes of viceroy if that ever come true :) Anyway, a good read and look forward to see how it materialize These are my 2 cents.
./Ok3ch Muriithi
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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:19:18 +0300 From: Ronnie kilel <ronniekilel@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: [Skunkworks] Open source library system Message-ID: < CAH4t7YVRN2tA+n9WwujdTHskc5YmHqi0_kgfZiHjdo+ycuzmaQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi,
Am looking for an open source libray system any ideas?
-- Thanks
*Ronnie Kilel* ronniekilel@gmail.com
*squeaky wheel gets the grease** *
There is the concept of convertible ultrabooks which is being fronted by intel <http://ultrabooknews.com/2012/10/26/intels-new-ultrabook-convertible-advertising/> Already lenovo<http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/laptop/ideapad/yoga/yoga-13/> , dell <http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-12-l221x/pd> among others have already launched their convertible ultrabooks. They are intended to bridge the gap between the tablet and the laptop. Given that they are running Windows 8, if this catches on it could be a big selling point for Win 8 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Just read this article and it seems I may have to swallow my words - but maybe its just the rough start -
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/140664-three-weeks-in-the-lackluster-la...
./Ok3ch
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 6:09 PM, <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
At this rate tablet prices will be determined by size like flat screen TVs. About 10 usd per sq inch
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and functionality. And with this advent, very few will go for any tablets based on Android - perhaps this lot will mostly be content-creators, I am not sure. And I don't have the benefit of comparison figures like everyone else. I just know Windows Surface is a killer, which has even gotten Apple thinking/restrategizing.
Agree. Window 8 would most likely be what triggered Apple to release the smaller ipad. Mainly, to offer a product that can undercut Microsoft/M$ in price. And to me, that's a really effective weapon that you seem to be overlooking
I don't know about Windows 8 (on the Desktop) uptake though. Price is right, but that's just because M$ has seen that there is not much that Windows 8 offers over WinXP and Win7. Personally I think Windows 8 is
just
another OS, but a way for M$ to make money - sell cheap, sell more. Soon
Yes, don't think desktop environment will be changing any time soon. Its M$ place for life
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hehehe, William, I stopped taking Viceroy, moved on to Jameson so start prepping bottles.
Lol, you changed drinks too. Okay cool, will fish for you some Jameson bottles. Petty confident Android will hold fine unless M$ adjust its priced downward
Your take on Nokia is very agreeable, let me say I had a more of a
Windows
8 thinking than of Nokia itself. It may be easy for an SIII user to buy a high end Samsung Windows 8 than maybe to go Lumia, but in the long run, Windows 8 will eat up the phone market share at a very fast rate.
Yes, never understand why people are optimistic about Nokia. They have so much head wind I dont see Window 8 alone changing much...
On the tablet, it's gonna be a no challenge. Current market shares are like 70% Apple & the rest 30%. I see Windows 8 eating away that 30% so rapidly u will be shocked, and also some of the 70% since a lot of these are people do not just want to consume content anymore, but to make it. Was interesting to hear how speaker after speaker talked how they always travel with an iPad & a laptop, but with Windows 8, this is going to drastically change, all u will need is a tablet.
You are really pessimist on Android. Sure, they may not have the best interface out there but I still think that the fact you can find solid product from $300 to $500 and lots of not so good looking but usable products at as low as $100 make it unlikely to be going the way of the dodo soon. I tend to use Androids alone so may be assessment is compromised
Time will tell..
Muriithi
./Ok3ch
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On Nov 17, 2012, at 9:15 PM, William Muriithi < william.muriithi@gmail.com> wrote:
I was at the Microsoft Windows 8 launch last night and I was very impressed, having been an anti-M$ crusader for all this time. I
have a
few predictions and maybe we have talked about them in this forum, but having seen it I just couldn't help myself: Ha, Okech being impressed by Windows products. Thats petty interesting as I never thought I will hear that from you. Agree though, petty neat when you check it initially, but a pain if you need to do something more involving fast. I guess people who use Windows will acclimatise to it petty fast, but if your only time with Linux is once in a while, it may get painful.
1) M$ is definitely getting its groove back and will eat a big chunk of what was 'stolen' from it in the desktop market share. The pricing is right and the product is awesome. The may not stop the surge of Apple (maybe am just a fun) but they will readily take back from the UNIX novices (the hardcore will never move) - I see the market share going back into the 90+ percentage (85?) Window market share on desktop and notebooks have never gone below 90% I think. I think even if there is far more OSX around, the Window ecosystem has grown proportionally faster and preserved that market share. Window 8 will easily keep that share in my opinion. 2) The phone market, I see Nokia having made a very good gamble (+all the vendors who will jump in - Samsung & HTC are here too!) I see Windows phone eating away the market share of Android, though not a lot to make Android crumble, but I see them overtaking Apple on this front (since Apple is still a niche product - may not actually go down, but Android's loss will be M$ gain) I would still bet my money that Nokia has no where to go but down. They poisoned their relationship with carrier and that is akin of Microsoft pissing on the Wintel hardware company.
Their other problem is, in my opinion, despite window 8 being a great phone OS finally, they are too late in the market. I would say the smart phone market is now mature and not driven by the aesthetic of the interface, but on the hard reality of how deep one pocket is. Early adopters tend not to be sensitive to price, but when the masses pick up, the only property they care about is, "how much damage is this thing going to do to my pocket?". If you haven't make some money before then and try to keep the price up, you are done as far as market share is concerned. Don't think it matter to Apple though as they have learned to work with a small profitable share, but Microsoft may not have that luxury. That in turn makes Nokia odds not too attractive.
3) Tablet market will be a war between Apple and M$ - Apple will remain on top, but the big loser here will be Android, with a possible under 10% market share. Really, 10% for Android. Will buy you tonnes of viceroy if that ever come true :) Anyway, a good read and look forward to see how it materialize These are my 2 cents.
./Ok3ch Muriithi
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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:19:18 +0300 From: Ronnie kilel <ronniekilel@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: [Skunkworks] Open source library system Message-ID: < CAH4t7YVRN2tA+n9WwujdTHskc5YmHqi0_kgfZiHjdo+ycuzmaQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hi,
Am looking for an open source libray system any ideas?
-- Thanks
*Ronnie Kilel* ronniekilel@gmail.com
*squeaky wheel gets the grease** *
Here is how I see it - most analysts tend to always write off MS too early. At the beginning win8 will not perform the magic Apple has with its new products or even as well as win7 especially on the enterprise front given that they have just gotten used to win7 and enterprises tend to go easy on new software BUT their upgrade offer will go a long way in jump starting sales. Surface is not the only tab out there on win8, as soon as partners start releasing gems especially tablet/ultrabook hybrids then the game will definitely change. Apple loses some of its hordes to MS Office in the process. Nokia have a lot of work to do especially if Samsung and HTC come out with something in the class of S3 and DNA respectively. A key area where Nokia loses out is aesthetics. If they insist on making mostly high end W8Ps they had better spell SEXY otherwise concentrate on the lower cost mass market. Apple meanwhile with their mini pads and maxi pads will be the biggest loser - Over time of course - Currently, Windows is the OS you use in the office, IOS out of the office. Well, with win8 this will change and necessarily means encroaching on Apple territory. Apple will fight back bla bla bla and the Internet will become self aware and eat us all. Overall, we the consumers are the winners..As tech companies outdo each other, we get better for lesser. On Nov 19, 2012 2:58 PM, "Bwana Lawi" <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
There is the concept of convertible ultrabooks which is being fronted by intel <http://ultrabooknews.com/2012/10/26/intels-new-ultrabook-convertible-advertising/>
Already lenovo<http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/laptop/ideapad/yoga/yoga-13/> , dell <http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-12-l221x/pd> among others have already launched their convertible ultrabooks. They are intended to bridge the gap between the tablet and the laptop.
Given that they are running Windows 8, if this catches on it could be a big selling point for Win 8
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Just read this article and it seems I may have to swallow my words - but maybe its just the rough start -
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/140664-three-weeks-in-the-lackluster-la...
./Ok3ch
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 6:09 PM, <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
At this rate tablet prices will be determined by size like flat screen TVs. About 10 usd per sq inch
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-----Original Message----- From: William Muriithi <william.muriithi@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:52:28 To: <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Microsoft Windows 8
and functionality. And with this advent, very few will go for any tablets based on Android - perhaps this lot will mostly be content-creators, I am not sure. And I don't have the benefit of comparison figures like everyone else. I just know Windows Surface is a killer, which has even gotten Apple thinking/restrategizing.
Agree. Window 8 would most likely be what triggered Apple to release the smaller ipad. Mainly, to offer a product that can undercut Microsoft/M$ in price. And to me, that's a really effective weapon that you seem to be overlooking
I don't know about Windows 8 (on the Desktop) uptake though. Price is right, but that's just because M$ has seen that there is not much that Windows 8 offers over WinXP and Win7. Personally I think Windows 8 is
just
another OS, but a way for M$ to make money - sell cheap, sell more. Soon
Yes, don't think desktop environment will be changing any time soon. Its M$ place for life
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hehehe, William, I stopped taking Viceroy, moved on to Jameson so
start
prepping bottles. Lol, you changed drinks too. Okay cool, will fish for you some Jameson bottles. Petty confident Android will hold fine unless M$ adjust its priced downward
Your take on Nokia is very agreeable, let me say I had a more of a Windows 8 thinking than of Nokia itself. It may be easy for an SIII user to buy a high end Samsung Windows 8 than maybe to go Lumia, but in the long run, Windows 8 will eat up the phone market share at a very fast rate.
Yes, never understand why people are optimistic about Nokia. They have so much head wind I dont see Window 8 alone changing much...
On the tablet, it's gonna be a no challenge. Current market shares are like 70% Apple & the rest 30%. I see Windows 8 eating away that 30% so rapidly u will be shocked, and also some of the 70% since a lot of these are people do not just want to consume content anymore, but to make it. Was interesting to hear how speaker after speaker talked how they always travel with an iPad & a laptop, but with Windows 8, this is going to drastically change, all u will need is a tablet.
You are really pessimist on Android. Sure, they may not have the best interface out there but I still think that the fact you can find solid product from $300 to $500 and lots of not so good looking but usable products at as low as $100 make it unlikely to be going the way of the dodo soon. I tend to use Androids alone so may be assessment is compromised
Time will tell..
Muriithi
./Ok3ch
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 17, 2012, at 9:15 PM, William Muriithi < william.muriithi@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I was at the Microsoft Windows 8 launch last night and I was very > impressed, having been an anti-M$ crusader for all this time. I have a > few predictions and maybe we have talked about them in this forum, but > having seen it I just couldn't help myself: Ha, Okech being impressed by Windows products. Thats petty interesting as I never thought I will hear that from you. Agree though, petty neat when you check it initially, but a pain if you need to do something more involving fast. I guess people who use Windows will acclimatise to it petty fast, but if your only time with Linux is once in a while, it may get painful. > > 1) M$ is definitely getting its groove back and will eat a big chunk > of what was 'stolen' from it in the desktop market share. The pricing > is right and the product is awesome. The may not stop the surge of > Apple (maybe am just a fun) but they will readily take back from the > UNIX novices (the hardcore will never move) - I see the market share > going back into the 90+ percentage (85?) Window market share on desktop and notebooks have never gone below 90% I think. I think even if there is far more OSX around, the Window ecosystem has grown proportionally faster and preserved that market share. Window 8 will easily keep that share in my opinion. > 2) The phone market, I see Nokia having made a very good gamble (+all > the vendors who will jump in - Samsung & HTC are here too!) I see > Windows phone eating away the market share of Android, though not a > lot to make Android crumble, but I see them overtaking Apple on this > front (since Apple is still a niche product - may not actually go > down, but Android's loss will be M$ gain) I would still bet my money that Nokia has no where to go but down. They poisoned their relationship with carrier and that is akin of Microsoft pissing on the Wintel hardware company.
Their other problem is, in my opinion, despite window 8 being a great phone OS finally, they are too late in the market. I would say the smart phone market is now mature and not driven by the aesthetic of the interface, but on the hard reality of how deep one pocket is. Early adopters tend not to be sensitive to price, but when the masses pick up, the only property they care about is, "how much damage is this thing going to do to my pocket?". If you haven't make some money before then and try to keep the price up, you are done as far as market share is concerned. Don't think it matter to Apple though as they have learned to work with a small profitable share, but Microsoft may not have that luxury. That in turn makes Nokia odds not too attractive.
> 3) Tablet market will be a war between Apple and M$ - Apple will > remain on top, but the big loser here will be Android, with a possible > under 10% market share. Really, 10% for Android. Will buy you tonnes of viceroy if that ever come true :) Anyway, a good read and look forward to see how it materialize > These are my 2 cents. > > ./Ok3ch Muriithi > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:19:18 +0300 > From: Ronnie kilel <ronniekilel@gmail.com> > To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > Subject: [Skunkworks] Open source library system > Message-ID: > < CAH4t7YVRN2tA+n9WwujdTHskc5YmHqi0_kgfZiHjdo+ycuzmaQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > Am looking for an open source libray system any ideas? > > -- > Thanks > > *Ronnie Kilel* > ronniekilel@gmail.com > > > *squeaky wheel gets the grease** > * >
I personally cant wait for a Stable, cheap and available window phone device. That coupled with the tablet and a nice PC would make a seamless ecosystem for corporates, most students I know ETC. Quite frankly I am used to windows and if they can refine it and remove the humongous amount of features that I never use then it can work wonders. Only time will tell I suppose. On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:16 PM, george < theonlydamnedavailablename@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is how I see it - most analysts tend to always write off MS too early. At the beginning win8 will not perform the magic Apple has with its new products or even as well as win7 especially on the enterprise front given that they have just gotten used to win7 and enterprises tend to go easy on new software BUT their upgrade offer will go a long way in jump starting sales.
Surface is not the only tab out there on win8, as soon as partners start releasing gems especially tablet/ultrabook hybrids then the game will definitely change. Apple loses some of its hordes to MS Office in the process.
Nokia have a lot of work to do especially if Samsung and HTC come out with something in the class of S3 and DNA respectively. A key area where Nokia loses out is aesthetics. If they insist on making mostly high end W8Ps they had better spell SEXY otherwise concentrate on the lower cost mass market.
Apple meanwhile with their mini pads and maxi pads will be the biggest loser - Over time of course - Currently, Windows is the OS you use in the office, IOS out of the office. Well, with win8 this will change and necessarily means encroaching on Apple territory. Apple will fight back bla bla bla and the Internet will become self aware and eat us all.
Overall, we the consumers are the winners..As tech companies outdo each other, we get better for lesser.
On Nov 19, 2012 2:58 PM, "Bwana Lawi" <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
There is the concept of convertible ultrabooks which is being fronted by intel <http://ultrabooknews.com/2012/10/26/intels-new-ultrabook-convertible-advertising/>
Already lenovo<http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/laptop/ideapad/yoga/yoga-13/> , dell <http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-12-l221x/pd> among others have already launched their convertible ultrabooks. They are intended to bridge the gap between the tablet and the laptop.
Given that they are running Windows 8, if this catches on it could be a big selling point for Win 8
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Just read this article and it seems I may have to swallow my words - but maybe its just the rough start -
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/140664-three-weeks-in-the-lackluster-la...
./Ok3ch
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 6:09 PM, <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
At this rate tablet prices will be determined by size like flat screen TVs. About 10 usd per sq inch
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: William Muriithi <william.muriithi@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:52:28 To: <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Microsoft Windows 8
and functionality. And with this advent, very few will go for any tablets based on Android - perhaps this lot will mostly be content-creators, I am not sure. And I don't have the benefit of comparison figures like everyone else. I just know Windows Surface is a killer, which has even gotten Apple thinking/restrategizing.
Agree. Window 8 would most likely be what triggered Apple to release the smaller ipad. Mainly, to offer a product that can undercut Microsoft/M$ in price. And to me, that's a really effective weapon that you seem to be overlooking
I don't know about Windows 8 (on the Desktop) uptake though. Price is right, but that's just because M$ has seen that there is not much that Windows 8 offers over WinXP and Win7. Personally I think Windows 8 is
just
another OS, but a way for M$ to make money - sell cheap, sell more. Soon
Yes, don't think desktop environment will be changing any time soon. Its M$ place for life
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hehehe, William, I stopped taking Viceroy, moved on to Jameson so
start
prepping bottles. Lol, you changed drinks too. Okay cool, will fish for you some Jameson bottles. Petty confident Android will hold fine unless M$ adjust its priced downward
Your take on Nokia is very agreeable, let me say I had a more of a Windows 8 thinking than of Nokia itself. It may be easy for an SIII user to buy a high end Samsung Windows 8 than maybe to go Lumia, but in the long run, Windows 8 will eat up the phone market share at a very fast rate.
Yes, never understand why people are optimistic about Nokia. They have so much head wind I dont see Window 8 alone changing much...
On the tablet, it's gonna be a no challenge. Current market shares are like 70% Apple & the rest 30%. I see Windows 8 eating away that 30% so rapidly u will be shocked, and also some of the 70% since a lot of these are people do not just want to consume content anymore, but to make it. Was interesting to hear how speaker after speaker talked how they always travel with an iPad & a laptop, but with Windows 8, this is going to drastically change, all u will need is a tablet.
You are really pessimist on Android. Sure, they may not have the best interface out there but I still think that the fact you can find solid product from $300 to $500 and lots of not so good looking but usable products at as low as $100 make it unlikely to be going the way of the dodo soon. I tend to use Androids alone so may be assessment is compromised
Time will tell..
Muriithi
./Ok3ch
Sent from my iPad
On Nov 17, 2012, at 9:15 PM, William Muriithi < william.muriithi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I was at the Microsoft Windows 8 launch last night and I was very >> impressed, having been an anti-M$ crusader for all this time. I have a >> few predictions and maybe we have talked about them in this forum, but >> having seen it I just couldn't help myself: > Ha, Okech being impressed by Windows products. Thats petty interesting > as I never thought I will hear that from you. Agree though, petty neat > when you check it initially, but a pain if you need to do something > more involving fast. I guess people who use Windows will acclimatise > to it petty fast, but if your only time with Linux is once in a while, > it may get painful. >> >> 1) M$ is definitely getting its groove back and will eat a big chunk >> of what was 'stolen' from it in the desktop market share. The pricing >> is right and the product is awesome. The may not stop the surge of >> Apple (maybe am just a fun) but they will readily take back from the >> UNIX novices (the hardcore will never move) - I see the market share >> going back into the 90+ percentage (85?) > Window market share on desktop and notebooks have never gone below 90% > I think. I think even if there is far more OSX around, the Window > ecosystem has grown proportionally faster and preserved that market > share. Window 8 will easily keep that share in my opinion. >> 2) The phone market, I see Nokia having made a very good gamble (+all >> the vendors who will jump in - Samsung & HTC are here too!) I see >> Windows phone eating away the market share of Android, though not a >> lot to make Android crumble, but I see them overtaking Apple on this >> front (since Apple is still a niche product - may not actually go >> down, but Android's loss will be M$ gain) > I would still bet my money that Nokia has no where to go but down. > They poisoned their relationship with carrier and that is akin of > Microsoft pissing on the Wintel hardware company. > > Their other problem is, in my opinion, despite window 8 being a great > phone OS finally, they are too late in the market. I would say the > smart phone market is now mature and not driven by the aesthetic of > the interface, but on the hard reality of how deep one pocket is. > Early adopters tend not to be sensitive to price, but when the masses > pick up, the only property they care about is, "how much damage is > this thing going to do to my pocket?". If you haven't make some money > before then and try to keep the price up, you are done as far as > market share is concerned. Don't think it matter to Apple though as > they have learned to work with a small profitable share, but Microsoft > may not have that luxury. That in turn makes Nokia odds not too > attractive. > >> 3) Tablet market will be a war between Apple and M$ - Apple will >> remain on top, but the big loser here will be Android, with a possible >> under 10% market share. > Really, 10% for Android. Will buy you tonnes of viceroy if that ever > come true :) Anyway, a good read and look forward to see how it > materialize >> These are my 2 cents. >> >> ./Ok3ch > Muriithi >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:19:18 +0300 >> From: Ronnie kilel <ronniekilel@gmail.com> >> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >> Subject: [Skunkworks] Open source library system >> Message-ID: >> < CAH4t7YVRN2tA+n9WwujdTHskc5YmHqi0_kgfZiHjdo+ycuzmaQ@mail.gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi, >> >> Am looking for an open source libray system any ideas? >> >> -- >> Thanks >> >> *Ronnie Kilel* >> ronniekilel@gmail.com >> >> >> *squeaky wheel gets the grease** >> * >>
May be after a while,phones will be sold without the os and u will be free to install your own...then we shall have have pirated windows 8 and android with ios themes...then they will just invent another product to lock us in their systems. On Nov 21, 2012 4:11 PM, "Mark Mwangi" <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I personally cant wait for a Stable, cheap and available window phone
device. That coupled with the tablet and a nice PC would make a seamless ecosystem for corporates, most students I know ETC.
Quite frankly I am used to windows and if they can refine it and remove the humongous amount of features that I never use then it can work wonders. Only time will tell I suppose.
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:16 PM, george < theonlydamnedavailablename@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is how I see it - most analysts tend to always write off MS too
early. At the beginning win8 will not perform the magic Apple has with its new products or even as well as win7 especially on the enterprise front given that they have just gotten used to win7 and enterprises tend to go easy on new software BUT their upgrade offer will go a long way in jump starting sales.
Surface is not the only tab out there on win8, as soon as partners start
releasing gems especially tablet/ultrabook hybrids then the game will definitely change. Apple loses some of its hordes to MS Office in the process.
Nokia have a lot of work to do especially if Samsung and HTC come out
with something in the class of S3 and DNA respectively. A key area where Nokia loses out is aesthetics. If they insist on making mostly high end W8Ps they had better spell SEXY otherwise concentrate on the lower cost mass market.
Apple meanwhile with their mini pads and maxi pads will be the biggest
loser - Over time of course - Currently, Windows is the OS you use in the office, IOS out of the office. Well, with win8 this will change and necessarily means encroaching on Apple territory. Apple will fight back bla bla bla and the Internet will become self aware and eat us all.
Overall, we the consumers are the winners..As tech companies outdo each
other, we get better for lesser.
On Nov 19, 2012 2:58 PM, "Bwana Lawi" <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
There is the concept of convertible ultrabooks which is being fronted
by intel
Already lenovo, dell among others have already launched their
convertible ultrabooks. They are intended to bridge the gap between the tablet and the laptop.
Given that they are running Windows 8, if this catches on it could be a
big selling point for Win 8
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
Just read this article and it seems I may have to swallow my words - but maybe its just the rough start -
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/140664-three-weeks-in-the-lackluster-la...
./Ok3ch
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 6:09 PM, <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
At this rate tablet prices will be determined by size like flat
screen TVs. About 10 usd per sq inch
Sent from my BlackBerry®
-----Original Message----- From: William Muriithi <william.muriithi@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:52:28 To: <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Microsoft Windows 8
and functionality. And with this advent, very few will go for any
tablets
based on Android - perhaps this lot will mostly be content-creators, I am not sure. And I don't have the benefit of comparison figures like everyone else. I just know Windows Surface is a killer, which has even gotten Apple thinking/restrategizing.
Agree. Window 8 would most likely be what triggered Apple to release the smaller ipad. Mainly, to offer a product that can undercut Microsoft/M$ in price. And to me, that's a really effective weapon that you seem to be overlooking
I don't know about Windows 8 (on the Desktop) uptake though. Price
is
right, but that's just because M$ has seen that there is not much that Windows 8 offers over WinXP and Win7. Personally I think Windows 8 is just another OS, but a way for M$ to make money - sell cheap, sell more. Soon
Yes, don't think desktop environment will be changing any time soon. Its M$ place for life
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hehehe, William, I stopped taking Viceroy, moved on to Jameson so
start
> prepping bottles. Lol, you changed drinks too. Okay cool, will fish for you some Jameson bottles. Petty confident Android will hold fine unless M$ adjust its priced downward > > Your take on Nokia is very agreeable, let me say I had a more of a Windows > 8 thinking than of Nokia itself. It may be easy for an SIII user to buy a > high end Samsung Windows 8 than maybe to go Lumia, but in the long run, > Windows 8 will eat up the phone market share at a very fast rate. > Yes, never understand why people are optimistic about Nokia. They have so much head wind I dont see Window 8 alone changing much... > On the tablet, it's gonna be a no challenge. Current market shares are > like 70% Apple & the rest 30%. I see Windows 8 eating away that 30% so > rapidly u will be shocked, and also some of the 70% since a lot of these > are people do not just want to consume content anymore, but to make it. Was > interesting to hear how speaker after speaker talked how they always travel > with an iPad & a laptop, but with Windows 8, this is going to drastically > change, all u will need is a tablet. > You are really pessimist on Android. Sure, they may not have the best interface out there but I still think that the fact you can find solid product from $300 to $500 and lots of not so good looking but usable products at as low as $100 make it unlikely to be going the way of the dodo soon. I tend to use Androids alone so may be assessment is compromised
Time will tell..
Muriithi
> ./Ok3ch > > Sent from my iPad > > On Nov 17, 2012, at 9:15 PM, William Muriithi < william.muriithi@gmail.com> > wrote: > > >> > >> I was at the Microsoft Windows 8 launch last night and I was very > >> impressed, having been an anti-M$ crusader for all this time. I have a > >> few predictions and maybe we have talked about them in this forum, but > >> having seen it I just couldn't help myself: > > Ha, Okech being impressed by Windows products. Thats petty interesting > > as I never thought I will hear that from you. Agree though, petty neat > > when you check it initially, but a pain if you need to do something > > more involving fast. I guess people who use Windows will acclimatise > > to it petty fast, but if your only time with Linux is once in a while, > > it may get painful. > >> > >> 1) M$ is definitely getting its groove back and will eat a big chunk > >> of what was 'stolen' from it in the desktop market share. The pricing > >> is right and the product is awesome. The may not stop the surge of > >> Apple (maybe am just a fun) but they will readily take back from the > >> UNIX novices (the hardcore will never move) - I see the market share > >> going back into the 90+ percentage (85?) > > Window market share on desktop and notebooks have never gone below 90% > > I think. I think even if there is far more OSX around, the Window > > ecosystem has grown proportionally faster and preserved that market > > share. Window 8 will easily keep that share in my opinion. > >> 2) The phone market, I see Nokia having made a very good gamble (+all > >> the vendors who will jump in - Samsung & HTC are here too!) I see > >> Windows phone eating away the market share of Android, though not a > >> lot to make Android crumble, but I see them overtaking Apple on this > >> front (since Apple is still a niche product - may not actually go > >> down, but Android's loss will be M$ gain) > > I would still bet my money that Nokia has no where to go but down. > > They poisoned their relationship with carrier and that is akin of > > Microsoft pissing on the Wintel hardware company. > > > > Their other problem is, in my opinion, despite window 8 being a great > > phone OS finally, they are too late in the market. I would say the > > smart phone market is now mature and not driven by the aesthetic of > > the interface, but on the hard reality of how deep one pocket is. > > Early adopters tend not to be sensitive to price, but when the masses > > pick up, the only property they care about is, "how much damage is > > this thing going to do to my pocket?". If you haven't make some money > > before then and try to keep the price up, you are done as far as > > market share is concerned. Don't think it matter to Apple though as > > they have learned to work with a small profitable share, but Microsoft > > may not have that luxury. That in turn makes Nokia odds not too > > attractive. > > > >> 3) Tablet market will be a war between Apple and M$ - Apple will > >> remain on top, but the big loser here will be Android, with a possible > >> under 10% market share. > > Really, 10% for Android. Will buy you tonnes of viceroy if that ever > > come true :) Anyway, a good read and look forward to see how it > > materialize > >> These are my 2 cents. > >> > >> ./Ok3ch > > Muriithi > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:19:18 +0300 > >> From: Ronnie kilel <ronniekilel@gmail.com> > >> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > >> Subject: [Skunkworks] Open source library system > >> Message-ID: > >> < > CAH4t7YVRN2tA+n9WwujdTHskc5YmHqi0_kgfZiHjdo+ycuzmaQ@mail.gmail.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> Am looking for an open source libray system any ideas? > >> > >> -- > >> Thanks > >> > >> *Ronnie Kilel* > >> ronniekilel@gmail.com > >> > >> > >> *squeaky wheel gets the grease** > >> * > >>
Oketch, I just stumbled on this thread from 2012, how true are your predictions? Mbote On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:15 PM, brian nyach <rriobs@gmail.com> wrote:
May be after a while,phones will be sold without the os and u will be free to install your own...then we shall have have pirated windows 8 and android with ios themes...then they will just invent another product to lock us in their systems.
On Nov 21, 2012 4:11 PM, "Mark Mwangi" <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
I personally cant wait for a Stable, cheap and available window phone
device. That coupled with the tablet and a nice PC would make a seamless ecosystem for corporates, most students I know ETC.
Quite frankly I am used to windows and if they can refine it and remove the humongous amount of features that I never use then it can work wonders. Only time will tell I suppose.
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 10:16 PM, george < theonlydamnedavailablename@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is how I see it - most analysts tend to always write off MS too
early. At the beginning win8 will not perform the magic Apple has with its new products or even as well as win7 especially on the enterprise front given that they have just gotten used to win7 and enterprises tend to go easy on new software BUT their upgrade offer will go a long way in jump starting sales.
Surface is not the only tab out there on win8, as soon as partners
start releasing gems especially tablet/ultrabook hybrids then the game will definitely change. Apple loses some of its hordes to MS Office in the process.
Nokia have a lot of work to do especially if Samsung and HTC come out
with something in the class of S3 and DNA respectively. A key area where Nokia loses out is aesthetics. If they insist on making mostly high end W8Ps they had better spell SEXY otherwise concentrate on the lower cost mass market.
Apple meanwhile with their mini pads and maxi pads will be the biggest
loser - Over time of course - Currently, Windows is the OS you use in the office, IOS out of the office. Well, with win8 this will change and necessarily means encroaching on Apple territory. Apple will fight back bla bla bla and the Internet will become self aware and eat us all.
Overall, we the consumers are the winners..As tech companies outdo each
other, we get better for lesser.
On Nov 19, 2012 2:58 PM, "Bwana Lawi" <mail2lawi@gmail.com> wrote:
There is the concept of convertible ultrabooks which is being fronted
by intel
Already lenovo, dell among others have already launched their
convertible ultrabooks. They are intended to bridge the gap between the tablet and the laptop.
Given that they are running Windows 8, if this catches on it could be
a big selling point for Win 8
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com>
wrote:
Just read this article and it seems I may have to swallow my words - but maybe its just the rough start -
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/140664-three-weeks-in-the-lackluster-la...
./Ok3ch
On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 6:09 PM, <thomas.kibui@gmail.com> wrote:
At this rate tablet prices will be determined by size like flat
screen TVs. About 10 usd per sq inch
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-----Original Message----- From: William Muriithi <william.muriithi@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:52:28 To: <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Microsoft Windows 8
> and functionality. And with this advent, very few will go for any
tablets
> based on Android - perhaps this lot will mostly be content-creators, I am > not sure. And I don't have the benefit of comparison figures like everyone > else. I just know Windows Surface is a killer, which has even gotten Apple > thinking/restrategizing.
Agree. Window 8 would most likely be what triggered Apple to release the smaller ipad. Mainly, to offer a product that can undercut Microsoft/M$ in price. And to me, that's a really effective weapon that you seem to be overlooking > > I don't know about Windows 8 (on the Desktop) uptake though. Price is > right, but that's just because M$ has seen that there is not much that > Windows 8 offers over WinXP and Win7. Personally I think Windows 8 is just > another OS, but a way for M$ to make money - sell cheap, sell more. Soon
Yes, don't think desktop environment will be changing any time soon. Its M$ place for life > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hehehe, William, I stopped taking Viceroy, moved on to Jameson so start >> prepping bottles. Lol, you changed drinks too. Okay cool, will fish for you some Jameson bottles. Petty confident Android will hold fine unless M$ adjust its priced downward >> >> Your take on Nokia is very agreeable, let me say I had a more of a Windows >> 8 thinking than of Nokia itself. It may be easy for an SIII user to buy a >> high end Samsung Windows 8 than maybe to go Lumia, but in the long run, >> Windows 8 will eat up the phone market share at a very fast rate. >> Yes, never understand why people are optimistic about Nokia. They have so much head wind I dont see Window 8 alone changing much... >> On the tablet, it's gonna be a no challenge. Current market shares are >> like 70% Apple & the rest 30%. I see Windows 8 eating away that 30% so >> rapidly u will be shocked, and also some of the 70% since a lot of these >> are people do not just want to consume content anymore, but to make it. Was >> interesting to hear how speaker after speaker talked how they always travel >> with an iPad & a laptop, but with Windows 8, this is going to drastically >> change, all u will need is a tablet. >> You are really pessimist on Android. Sure, they may not have the best interface out there but I still think that the fact you can find solid product from $300 to $500 and lots of not so good looking but usable products at as low as $100 make it unlikely to be going the way of the dodo soon. I tend to use Androids alone so may be assessment is compromised
Time will tell..
Muriithi
>> ./Ok3ch >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Nov 17, 2012, at 9:15 PM, William Muriithi < william.muriithi@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> I was at the Microsoft Windows 8 launch last night and I was very >> >> impressed, having been an anti-M$ crusader for all this time. I have a >> >> few predictions and maybe we have talked about them in this forum, but >> >> having seen it I just couldn't help myself: >> > Ha, Okech being impressed by Windows products. Thats petty interesting >> > as I never thought I will hear that from you. Agree though, petty neat >> > when you check it initially, but a pain if you need to do something >> > more involving fast. I guess people who use Windows will acclimatise >> > to it petty fast, but if your only time with Linux is once in a while, >> > it may get painful. >> >> >> >> 1) M$ is definitely getting its groove back and will eat a big chunk >> >> of what was 'stolen' from it in the desktop market share. The pricing >> >> is right and the product is awesome. The may not stop the surge of >> >> Apple (maybe am just a fun) but they will readily take back from the >> >> UNIX novices (the hardcore will never move) - I see the market share >> >> going back into the 90+ percentage (85?) >> > Window market share on desktop and notebooks have never gone below 90% >> > I think. I think even if there is far more OSX around, the Window >> > ecosystem has grown proportionally faster and preserved that market >> > share. Window 8 will easily keep that share in my opinion. >> >> 2) The phone market, I see Nokia having made a very good gamble (+all >> >> the vendors who will jump in - Samsung & HTC are here too!) I see >> >> Windows phone eating away the market share of Android, though not a >> >> lot to make Android crumble, but I see them overtaking Apple on this >> >> front (since Apple is still a niche product - may not actually go >> >> down, but Android's loss will be M$ gain) >> > I would still bet my money that Nokia has no where to go but down. >> > They poisoned their relationship with carrier and that is akin of >> > Microsoft pissing on the Wintel hardware company. >> > >> > Their other problem is, in my opinion, despite window 8 being a great >> > phone OS finally, they are too late in the market. I would say the >> > smart phone market is now mature and not driven by the aesthetic of >> > the interface, but on the hard reality of how deep one pocket is. >> > Early adopters tend not to be sensitive to price, but when the masses >> > pick up, the only property they care about is, "how much damage is >> > this thing going to do to my pocket?". If you haven't make some money >> > before then and try to keep the price up, you are done as far as >> > market share is concerned. Don't think it matter to Apple though as >> > they have learned to work with a small profitable share, but Microsoft >> > may not have that luxury. That in turn makes Nokia odds not too >> > attractive. >> > >> >> 3) Tablet market will be a war between Apple and M$ - Apple will >> >> remain on top, but the big loser here will be Android, with a possible >> >> under 10% market share. >> > Really, 10% for Android. Will buy you tonnes of viceroy if that ever >> > come true :) Anyway, a good read and look forward to see how it >> > materialize >> >> These are my 2 cents. >> >> >> >> ./Ok3ch >> > Muriithi >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> Message: 2 >> >> Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 10:19:18 +0300 >> >> From: Ronnie kilel <ronniekilel@gmail.com> >> >> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >> >> Subject: [Skunkworks] Open source library system >> >> Message-ID: >> >> < >> CAH4t7YVRN2tA+n9WwujdTHskc5YmHqi0_kgfZiHjdo+ycuzmaQ@mail.gmail.com> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> Am looking for an open source libray system any ideas? >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> *Ronnie Kilel* >> >> ronniekilel@gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> *squeaky wheel gets the grease** >> >> * >> >>
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