just a thought though: 1: if open source software is competition, what about local developers of open source. 2: what about contributors to non local software? i am sure there has been enough talk ot open source and e-gov, where does this put the association? do we end up saying well create a distro flavour of linux that is local so that we can promote it for e-gov? I like the in house certification bit. Its about time companies stopped asking for MCSE and CCNA as the absolute requirements.. On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Kennedy Kairaria <kenkairaria@gmail.com>wrote:

Amen... (hic)

On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 1:25 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

...

While am not one yet as a local software company or developer, I think time has come for us to develop the portfolio and what we want to see done. Even more important is to see where the Govt is on such matters and whether at all it does anything or has left the industry to the mercy of its own survival.

*These are our competitors:*

- Pirated software - Open Source software - Proprietory software - Software vendors

*Who are applicable to become members:*

- Local software companies ( not vendors ) - Frameworks - Platforms - Developers - Anyone who develops localised software

*What does the portfolio do?*

- Helps us achieve and document what needs to be done on short term and long term goals - Representation and decision making on various ICT industry boards - Improve on the educational system - Creation of awareness and more opportunities for developers - In-house software certification - In-house testing facility - Promotion and Marketing - Promote policies that Govt incentive schemes and goals - Long term visions of the sector

Please take your time and think what and where we need to head to. Ideas, points and discussions are all welcome.

Asante.

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I am not for reinventing the wheel, so in all likelyhood ill develop a website using drupal / wordpress, ill run a server on debian and most likely ill use apache or if im crazy like one skunker cherokee. that said, it will take more than being Kenyan to adopt an alternative distro, and from experience, an open source product 's viability in KE is quite limited cause it takes many dev hours, hours local "developers" dont have. (maslovs hierarchy). That said, if i do a nice mod / template for wordpress, and wont be sued by my client, i do not mind freeing it up for guys to use to their liking. That is what i am referring to as contributing to non local software. im i still in the "reseller" group? On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 9:55 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

@Brainiac, thank you for the questions. Some thots inline:

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 7:56 AM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:

...

just a thought though:

1: if open source software is competition, what about local developers of open source.

- IMHO, under the eligibilty of members: Open Source, Frameworks, Platforms are all welcome. What is not welcome is the vendors under Open Source i.e software or applications which are really an imported, complete solution and tweaked for local consumption. This is fake development, and falls under resellers.

- Developers and companies that create from Open Source, Frameworks, and Platforms will use the base of such technologies to create for the local and international market.

However, for the portfolio, let us thrash this one out as much as possible and also include all Web and Application developers/companies. In such cases, for example the use of non-kenyan images for web layouts will mean that such developer companies/developers are not eligeable for memberships. In the long term, we must avoid the Click, download and ready to go solutions.

...

2: what about contributors to non local software?

Kindly elaborate more on this.

...

i am sure there has been enough talk ot open source and e-gov, where does this put the association? do we end up saying well create a distro flavour of linux that is local so that we can promote it for e-gov?

On the E-Govt side, what would be interesting to know is what they currently use and its limitations. If they are dependent on imported packages, then it is up to us to create a competitve product to match such but not use a product, tweak setup or config files that has already been developed by others.

...

I like the in house certification bit. Its about time companies stopped asking for MCSE and CCNA as the absolute requirements..

The software certifcation will also allows us to ensure that our locally developed application either for the desktop, server, or web enviroments complies with standards- therefore prospective clients can be assured of quality similar to that of imported software. We can also look at Frameworks and Platforms certifications.

Please keep the discussions going, we would like to develop our Portfolio first and look at what we need to do to get this Association/Forum/Group off the ground.

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I find the restrictions as to who can and ca't join absolutely arbitrary. Why limit membership? Let anyone who develops software join! On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:21 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

Sounds great. The base line of your dev work/commercial work is on some sort of a framework/platform such as Apache, debian etc and you collectively use these techonologies to create something out of. And this fits into the goals of the porfolio. If there are others who feel to create things from scratch, then we also would need to include in the portfolio items such as R & D.

We should list these allowed frameworks/platforms for our portfolio:

- C# and Asp.net - Ruby on Rails - Php, MySql - Joomla - WordPress

Kindly add yours to the list.

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:06 AM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:

...

I am not for reinventing the wheel, so in all likelyhood ill develop a website using drupal / wordpress, ill run a server on debian and most likely ill use apache or if im crazy like one skunker cherokee. that said, it will take more than being Kenyan to adopt an alternative distro, and from experience, an open source product 's viability in KE is quite limited cause it takes many dev hours, hours local "developers" dont have. (maslovs hierarchy).

That said, if i do a nice mod / template for wordpress, and wont be sued by my client, i do not mind freeing it up for guys to use to their liking. That is what i am referring to as contributing to non local software. im i still in the "reseller" group?

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Gentlemn, Ladies. The portfolio is very key towards the formation of the association. We must go quite deep into it, estalish a common document with the goals as listed in the beginning of the thread. You contributions, changes, challenges and even disagreements will help us all move ahead. This I think is the suggested structure: a) Develop a portfolio and a common document of agreements for an Association b) Seek ways and means to get the Association registered c) Seek ways to get legal and financial inputs to the Association One last thought I'd like you to consider. While the Assocaition will seek to work hand in hand with the govt sectors, visions of the nation, and representation, it will aslo have the legal capacity to take the govt to task on many issues. For example, the terrible state of the govt websites. The Association will have the empowerment to deal with such issues, even if it means taking legal actions. We have lacked a common approach. I think no more are we handicapped in our common goals. Thank you.

@Steve, sounds great. You develop on these languages, so we should add these to the list. I think they fall under Frameworks/Languages. On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Steve Obbayi <steve@sobbayi.com> wrote:

What about those of us who primarily develop in C/C++/Assembly and Python? :(

--------------------------------------- Steve O Software Developer www.sobbayi.com

@Ashok, actually I think the formation of the association is a differentiating factor between what is kenyan and not. As an example, I'm sure the Kenya Vehicle Assemblers and importers or used cars cannot sit in the same venue nor present common views. While KVA creates jobs , opportunities and local investments, the used cars market is really businessmen seeking a quick returns and also kenya loosing out on many other factors. Used car markets are short terms gains while KVA is long term gains. Similarly, and one of the goals, if the formation of the Association does go ahead, is to ensure that first we push for local development. However, seeing the lack of creativity of even drafting up our own portfolio document, I'm inclined to agree with you that we won't have any eligible members. :-) On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:24 AM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info> wrote:

looks like if you do a venn-diagram between the above criteria ... you wont have any eligible members .

@ aki et al, While at it, why not also think of a skunkworks revolving/endowment fund to help finance all those brilliant skunks or skunk ideas. That would really push the need of some association or formal Group. Davis

Hey @Davis, brilliant idea. Hey @Phares, not sure what is being setup....The Association or a fund ? It'd be great if either are already in the process. Rgds. :-) On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Davis Waithaka <daviswaithaka@gmail.com>wrote:

...

@ aki et al,

While at it, why not also think of a skunkworks revolving/endowment fund to help finance all those brilliant skunks or skunk ideas. That would really push the need of some association or formal Group.

Already in the process of being setup...

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I am totally down. Any VOAers to take up the challenge? Crystal On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

More of a Foundation... Can act as a trust... Actually one of the things to be done with said foundation is 'social' research projects. So it would fall right into what we aim to achieve...

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hey @Davis, brilliant idea.

Hey @Phares, not sure what is being setup....The Association or a fund ? It'd be great if either are already in the process. Rgds. :-)

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:

...

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Davis Waithaka <daviswaithaka@gmail.com>wrote:

...

@ aki et al,

While at it, why not also think of a skunkworks revolving/endowment fund to help finance all those brilliant skunks or skunk ideas. That would really push the need of some association or formal Group.

Already in the process of being setup...

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Definitely. Something of a concept note. Mission and vision. Ect. Crystal On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

I guess I also need to do a brief on exactly what the foundation will be doing.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:

...

I am totally down.

Any VOAers to take up the challenge?

Crystal

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:

...

More of a Foundation... Can act as a trust... Actually one of the things to be done with said foundation is 'social' research projects. So it would fall right into what we aim to achieve...

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hey @Davis, brilliant idea.

Hey @Phares, not sure what is being setup....The Association or a fund ? It'd be great if either are already in the process. Rgds. :-)

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:

...

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Davis Waithaka < daviswaithaka@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@ aki et al,

While at it, why not also think of a skunkworks revolving/endowment fund to help finance all those brilliant skunks or skunk ideas. That would really push the need of some association or formal Group.

Already in the process of being setup...

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In the States we used to have these things called "collectives". I belonged to a few myself. They were democratic bodies where we agreed on where we wanted to go and goals to get there. Then each person chose their functionality and stated their commitment. Some were more committed than others and that was understood because of the agreed commonality of purpose. I think this structure would work best and create freedom and growth. What do you think, Phares? On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

The reason I myself wont want to join this is coz I really hate formalities. I like project goals and delegation, not formalities

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:

...

Definitely. Something of a concept note. Mission and vision. Ect.

Crystal

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:

...

I guess I also need to do a brief on exactly what the foundation will be doing.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:

...

I am totally down.

Any VOAers to take up the challenge?

Crystal

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:

...

More of a Foundation... Can act as a trust... Actually one of the things to be done with said foundation is 'social' research projects. So it would fall right into what we aim to achieve...

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hey @Davis, brilliant idea.

Hey @Phares, not sure what is being setup....The Association or a fund ? It'd be great if either are already in the process. Rgds. :-)

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:

> > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Davis Waithaka < > daviswaithaka@gmail.com> wrote: > >> @ aki et al, >> >> While at it, why not also think of a skunkworks revolving/endowment >> fund to help finance all those brilliant skunks or skunk ideas. That would >> really push the need of some association or formal Group. >> > > Already in the process of being setup... > > -- > With Regards, > > Phares Kariuki > > | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | > Skype: kariukiphares | B: http://www.kaboro.com/ | > > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke

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My point exactly. I hate boring stuff. Meetings about what is needed, meetings about projects updates. I like speed, fun and fun. Formalities I should be left out. If Im to join, ill be on the side that is not formal On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

@Paul

One of the reasons this was formed is primarily because not everything can be done without formalities... I'm talking beyond the software dev group... People are busy trying to figure out how to engage with KNEC. You can't do that as an individual... You just need to get the organizational structure right. Open source projects are many times tagged to foundations/non-profits of some sort...

I like Crystals idea. In as far as the association and project management is concerned... But there is a trickier bit of funds etc....

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:

...

In the States we used to have these things called "collectives". I belonged to a few myself. They were democratic bodies where we agreed on where we wanted to go and goals to get there. Then each person chose their functionality and stated their commitment. Some were more committed than others and that was understood because of the agreed commonality of purpose.

I think this structure would work best and create freedom and growth. What do you think, Phares?

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

...

The reason I myself wont want to join this is coz I really hate formalities. I like project goals and delegation, not formalities

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:

...

Definitely. Something of a concept note. Mission and vision. Ect.

Crystal

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:

...

I guess I also need to do a brief on exactly what the foundation will be doing.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:

...

I am totally down.

Any VOAers to take up the challenge?

Crystal

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:

> More of a Foundation... Can act as a trust... Actually one of the > things to be done with said foundation is 'social' research projects. So it > would fall right into what we aim to achieve... > > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey @Davis, brilliant idea. >> >> Hey @Phares, not sure what is being setup....The Association or a >> fund ? It'd be great if either are already in the process. >> Rgds. :-) >> >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Davis Waithaka < >>> daviswaithaka@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> @ aki et al, >>>> >>>> While at it, why not also think of a skunkworks >>>> revolving/endowment fund to help finance all those brilliant skunks or skunk >>>> ideas. That would really push the need of some association or formal Group. >>>> >>> >>> Already in the process of being setup... >>> >>> -- >>> With Regards, >>> >>> Phares Kariuki >>> >>> | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | >>> Skype: kariukiphares | B: http://www.kaboro.com/ | >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > With Regards, > > Phares Kariuki > > | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | > Skype: kariukiphares | B: http://www.kaboro.com/ | > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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Yap, that would work On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:

In previous orgs I worked with we had one administrator and one bookkeeper accountable to the organization. They take care of the boring stuff and ensure coordination.

Would that work?

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@Paul

One of the reasons this was formed is primarily because not everything can be done without formalities... I'm talking beyond the software dev group... People are busy trying to figure out how to engage with KNEC. You can't do that as an individual... You just need to get the organizational structure right. Open source projects are many times tagged to foundations/non-profits of some sort...

I like Crystals idea. In as far as the association and project management is concerned... But there is a trickier bit of funds etc....

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:

...

In the States we used to have these things called "collectives". I belonged to a few myself. They were democratic bodies where we agreed on where we wanted to go and goals to get there. Then each person chose their functionality and stated their commitment. Some were more committed than others and that was understood because of the agreed commonality of purpose.

I think this structure would work best and create freedom and growth. What do you think, Phares?

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

...

The reason I myself wont want to join this is coz I really hate formalities. I like project goals and delegation, not formalities

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:

...

Definitely. Something of a concept note. Mission and vision. Ect.

Crystal

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:

...

I guess I also need to do a brief on exactly what the foundation will be doing.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:

> I am totally down. > > Any VOAers to take up the challenge? > > Crystal > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote: > >> More of a Foundation... Can act as a trust... Actually one of the >> things to be done with said foundation is 'social' research projects. So it >> would fall right into what we aim to achieve... >> >> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hey @Davis, brilliant idea. >>> >>> Hey @Phares, not sure what is being setup....The Association or a >>> fund ? It'd be great if either are already in the process. >>> Rgds. :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Davis Waithaka < >>>> daviswaithaka@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> @ aki et al, >>>>> >>>>> While at it, why not also think of a skunkworks >>>>> revolving/endowment fund to help finance all those brilliant skunks or skunk >>>>> ideas. That would really push the need of some association or formal Group. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Already in the process of being setup... >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With Regards, >>>> >>>> Phares Kariuki >>>> >>>> | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | >>>> Skype: kariukiphares | B: http://www.kaboro.com/ | >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> With Regards, >> >> Phares Kariuki >> >> | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | >> Skype: kariukiphares | B: http://www.kaboro.com/ | >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Crystal "Naliaka" Watley Kigoni > Executive Director > Voices of Africa for Sustainable Development > crystal@voicesofafrica.org > http://www.voicesofafrica.org/ > > Intersat Broadband Services > Solar Powered Advanced Rural Communication (SPARC) > Project Coordinator > crystal.kigoni@intersat.ae > http://www.rik.co.ke > > Twitter: VOA_Crystal > Skype: crystal.naliaka > Facebook group: Voices of Africa > > "You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

-- With Regards,

Phares Kariuki

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So whats the next plan, skill layout, meetings, skype chat? On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

That's essentially what the foundation would be doing...

The "boring" stuff normally ensures, in corporations that people get their salaries etc. And historically, the "boring" stuff is why many tech SME's in Kenya struggle.

I appreciate given that many tasks are volunteer based etc, it's not prudent to rope in the logistics to the volunteers, but the logistics etc are much needed...

You can engage as you please, it's really up to you...

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Yap, that would work

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:

...

In previous orgs I worked with we had one administrator and one bookkeeper accountable to the organization. They take care of the boring stuff and ensure coordination.

Would that work?

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:

...

@Paul

One of the reasons this was formed is primarily because not everything can be done without formalities... I'm talking beyond the software dev group... People are busy trying to figure out how to engage with KNEC. You can't do that as an individual... You just need to get the organizational structure right. Open source projects are many times tagged to foundations/non-profits of some sort...

I like Crystals idea. In as far as the association and project management is concerned... But there is a trickier bit of funds etc....

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:

...

In the States we used to have these things called "collectives". I belonged to a few myself. They were democratic bodies where we agreed on where we wanted to go and goals to get there. Then each person chose their functionality and stated their commitment. Some were more committed than others and that was understood because of the agreed commonality of purpose.

I think this structure would work best and create freedom and growth. What do you think, Phares?

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com>wrote:

...

The reason I myself wont want to join this is coz I really hate formalities. I like project goals and delegation, not formalities

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:

> Definitely. Something of a concept note. Mission and vision. Ect. > > Crystal > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote: > >> I guess I also need to do a brief on exactly what the foundation >> will be doing. >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < >> crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote: >> >>> I am totally down. >>> >>> Any VOAers to take up the challenge? >>> >>> Crystal >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Phares Kariuki < >>> pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> More of a Foundation... Can act as a trust... Actually one of the >>>> things to be done with said foundation is 'social' research projects. So it >>>> would fall right into what we aim to achieve... >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey @Davis, brilliant idea. >>>>> >>>>> Hey @Phares, not sure what is being setup....The Association or a >>>>> fund ? It'd be great if either are already in the process. >>>>> Rgds. :-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Phares Kariuki < >>>>> pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Davis Waithaka < >>>>>> daviswaithaka@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> @ aki et al, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While at it, why not also think of a skunkworks >>>>>>> revolving/endowment fund to help finance all those brilliant skunks or skunk >>>>>>> ideas. That would really push the need of some association or formal Group. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Already in the process of being setup... >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Phares Kariuki >>>>>> >>>>>> | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro >>>>>> | Skype: kariukiphares | B: http://www.kaboro.com/ | >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With Regards, >>>> >>>> Phares Kariuki >>>> >>>> | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | >>>> Skype: kariukiphares | B: http://www.kaboro.com/ | >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Crystal "Naliaka" Watley Kigoni >>> Executive Director >>> Voices of Africa for Sustainable Development >>> crystal@voicesofafrica.org >>> http://www.voicesofafrica.org/ >>> >>> Intersat Broadband Services >>> Solar Powered Advanced Rural Communication (SPARC) >>> Project Coordinator >>> crystal.kigoni@intersat.ae >>> http://www.rik.co.ke >>> >>> Twitter: VOA_Crystal >>> Skype: crystal.naliaka >>> Facebook group: Voices of Africa >>> >>> "You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> With Regards, >> >> Phares Kariuki >> >> | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | >> Skype: kariukiphares | B: http://www.kaboro.com/ | >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Crystal "Naliaka" Watley Kigoni > Executive Director > Voices of Africa for Sustainable Development > crystal@voicesofafrica.org > http://www.voicesofafrica.org/ > > Intersat Broadband Services > Solar Powered Advanced Rural Communication (SPARC) > Project Coordinator > crystal.kigoni@intersat.ae > http://www.rik.co.ke > > Twitter: VOA_Crystal > Skype: crystal.naliaka > Facebook group: Voices of Africa > > "You must be the change you wish to see" - Gandhi > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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Intersat Broadband Services Solar Powered Advanced Rural Communication (SPARC) Project Coordinator crystal.kigoni@intersat.ae http://www.rik.co.ke

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Ok, lets start on the CMS. What language? Java, PHP, Ruby or python? On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, we already have a forum of sorts, with Skunkworks. In my opinion, we should take this on a project by project basis, for now, as we figure out what structure/model would work best....

e.g. Guys who wanted to do the CMS can come together and build it...

The guys with KNEC recommendations, can come in and put together a document with structures/recommendations etc, these can be forwarded to the ICT Board/PS or whoever else needs to be put in touch with the same... My thoughts...

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

...

So whats the next plan, skill layout, meetings, skype chat?

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:38 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:

...

That's essentially what the foundation would be doing...

The "boring" stuff normally ensures, in corporations that people get their salaries etc. And historically, the "boring" stuff is why many tech SME's in Kenya struggle.

I appreciate given that many tasks are volunteer based etc, it's not prudent to rope in the logistics to the volunteers, but the logistics etc are much needed...

You can engage as you please, it's really up to you...

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Yap, that would work

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:

...

In previous orgs I worked with we had one administrator and one bookkeeper accountable to the organization. They take care of the boring stuff and ensure coordination.

Would that work?

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:

...

@Paul

One of the reasons this was formed is primarily because not everything can be done without formalities... I'm talking beyond the software dev group... People are busy trying to figure out how to engage with KNEC. You can't do that as an individual... You just need to get the organizational structure right. Open source projects are many times tagged to foundations/non-profits of some sort...

I like Crystals idea. In as far as the association and project management is concerned... But there is a trickier bit of funds etc....

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:

> In the States we used to have these things called "collectives". I > belonged to a few myself. They were democratic bodies where we agreed on > where we wanted to go and goals to get there. Then each person chose their > functionality and stated their commitment. Some were more committed than > others and that was understood because of the agreed commonality of purpose. > > I think this structure would work best and create freedom and growth. > What do you think, Phares? > > > On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com>wrote: > >> The reason I myself wont want to join this is coz I really hate >> formalities. I like project goals and delegation, not formalities >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:38 AM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < >> crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote: >> >>> Definitely. Something of a concept note. Mission and vision. Ect. >>> >>> Crystal >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:01 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> I guess I also need to do a brief on exactly what the foundation >>>> will be doing. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:56 AM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < >>>> crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am totally down. >>>>> >>>>> Any VOAers to take up the challenge? >>>>> >>>>> Crystal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Phares Kariuki < >>>>> pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> More of a Foundation... Can act as a trust... Actually one of >>>>>> the things to be done with said foundation is 'social' research projects. So >>>>>> it would fall right into what we aim to achieve... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey @Davis, brilliant idea. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey @Phares, not sure what is being setup....The Association or >>>>>>> a fund ? It'd be great if either are already in the process. >>>>>>> Rgds. :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Phares Kariuki < >>>>>>> pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Davis Waithaka < >>>>>>>> daviswaithaka@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> @ aki et al, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> While at it, why not also think of a skunkworks >>>>>>>>> revolving/endowment fund to help finance all those brilliant skunks or skunk >>>>>>>>> ideas. 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On the CMS, a more practical approach would be to have a list of volunteers, and the skills they are comfortable in... simple majority will determine the line you go into... I really don't understand what the problem with FOSS is :-). e.g. Ubuntu is based on Debian... Much as we 'reap' from Open Source, I'm guessing what's better for the ecosystem at large is if we also contribute to it? We can't keep borders as they are being taken away... I think it should be open to all... A Microsoft ERP/Oracle ERP should be deployed if they are the better option in that particular case. If there is an option for a cheaper local alternative, so be it... On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 11:18 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

@Phares, IMHO, the foundation idea seems very good, however If the foundation is going to be based on an type NGO of structure, i.e use of Open Source or it receives any funding through such, then we are definately outside the objectives of forming something very home grown. TA problem is that the foundation or association would lack a mandate to deal with all sorts of issues, be compromised on its objectives ( like making sure it sings the open source lyrics ). Please keep in mnd that Open Source programs and software, as much as proprietory software, is also a competitor to the local software and developer industry. For every free software that can be downloaded and installed to perform a function, it is killing the local industry. This explains why we don't get threads on this list asking developers to create software, and even if there are times, mostly are referred to freeware of some sort.

@Paul, formalities that you dislike. Just to point out to you that the without a sound structure and a portfolio in place, it would be impossible to even ask a lawyer to present a case. None of us like formalities ( time wastage in many cases.....too much chai na mandazi....too much talk shows....etc etc ), however we should treat them as part and parcel of the process. Once we have established a solid foundation, everyone can build upwards from it. We have to create the stadium so that soccer teams can play on.

Help us create the portfolio documents, visions and objectives through your views, be part and parcel of the process. If @Phares and others are working towards a foundation, then let us support fully with our inputs to create a tomorrow that everyone else worked towards.

Rgds. :-)

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:21 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@Paul

One of the reasons this was formed is primarily because not everything can be done without formalities... I'm talking beyond the software dev group... People are busy trying to figure out how to engage with KNEC. You can't do that as an individual... You just need to get the organizational structure right. Open source projects are many times tagged to foundations/non-profits of some sort...

I like Crystals idea. In as far as the association and project management is concerned... But there is a trickier bit of funds etc....

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Given that Ubuntu is free, my suggestion would be to increase the number of 'Ubuntu Capable' system integration firms... The biggest issue with products like Ubuntu is support, if we can grow a strong local ecosystem, we would then be able to profit from it in terms of support... On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:13 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

@Phares, there are no problems with FOSSior proprietory, however you know as well that each has its own agenda and level of existence, i.e the surviveability or success is in the uptake, thus the funding continues to each project at higher levels through whatever methods. As I wrote in the start of the thread, if the under-lying base is frameworks/platforms/languages, then there are no issues. We must separate these issues and as a further example say between someone selling an FOSS ERP ( a VAT module developed locally ) or MS ERP ( setting a small script to change VAT paarmeters ) are still competition to local developers/companies who could be using under-lying base frameworks/platforms/languages to create a kenyan/localised ERP.

So each segment, whether FOSS or Proprietory, is its own sector and does not represent kenyan produced end product/web application etc. The issue is not borders, it's about creating a crystal clear way to develop locally, encourage everyone to jion in and share the vision.

Or maybe you can advice on how it will be possible to Market Ubuntu as a locally produced OS or application? :-)

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:

...

I really don't understand what the problem with FOSS is :-). e.g. Ubuntu is based on Debian... Much as we 'reap' from Open Source, I'm guessing what's better for the ecosystem at large is if we also contribute to it? We can't keep borders as they are being taken away...

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And therein lies a conflict of interest. You cannot want to sell an almost ready made erp while also work on creating one. This will never happen, each one has its own goals and timelines. And obviously the easier, ready to sell will always be the first option while to develop the other will never happen. That is why it is so important to separate the conflicts of interest. Not sure if am getting through on this key point. :-) On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:50 PM, <ashok+skunkworks@parliaments.info> wrote:

you cant separate the 2 issues as they are not mutually exclusive. someone building their own ERP is probably also selling a FOSS erp with some locally developed modules since the domain knowledge separating the two is not much. to take your "used imported cars" vs "locally assembled imported cars" -- the same mechanic can clearly fix or service either car.

@Brainiac, thanks for your comments. Some comments inline, IMHO. :-) On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 6:45 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:

@aki your reasoning will self destruct just at its definition stage, here is an example.

i install ubuntu/debian servers and a whole ecosystem around them, i manage this through a set of open source products like webmin and virtualmin, i control network infrastructure with the assistance of apps like squid, i manage mail using ... and so on and so forth. If there is a contribution i can make to the world from Kenya, it might just be around those circles. Do i qualify into the association? probably not.

If you were to replace squid with a localised version proxy, or mailman then you'd be developing something for local and outside use . But as a support person, you install the above technologies for a function, therefore you would be no different than a support person installing and configuring a juniper/cisco box. How then would you want to be part of the local developer scene?

So i head deeper and begin apps on frameworks, drupal, joomla, cake, symphony, ROR... am i doing something Kenyan? well, depends on how you look at it. If im using a framework, only thing kenyan about the resultant product is the business logic, virtually everything else will be generated.

Firstly, yes you are doing something different. The final product/solution/application has not been created for you by someone else, and you will be using the available tools to create something with various functionality. Secondly, If you so choose and have the time, you could go deeper to create from scratch.

further on, can it be argued that then even the tools we use to develop are not original? something like phpinfo() for instance is a function built by someone else....

If you want to, you can develop the tools, this can be a long term strategy. We don't have any, so our choices are too limited.

so when we look at it critically, we all need each other. Lets not look down upon the guy taking a joomla template and changing the logo and css. he is a techie in his own right, as is the guy bored with gnome (read ken kasina :-) ) and wants to do something of his own...

No one is looking down at anyone, rather I was trying to separate the conflicts of interest. Why any person who takes a joomla template, change the logo and CSS want to be a member of the local Association. To be specific, what value would they bring forth ? If they create the templates, logos, etc, then they are surely welcome. *Now picture this scenario:* Anyone and everyone who is in IT is in the Association. They all meet, what level of discussion would we get? - It would be a similar situation to that of BarCamp. Everyone's in it but hardly anyone leaves with an aim to do something focussed. - Everyone is interested in showing what products or solutions they have on offer. But all these are versions not done locally, just vendor talk. A focussed group in the Association with specific targets and needs: - Share common discussions and goals on what needs to be done and how. - Set deadlines and complete localised projects - Run a common platform - The benefits are too many.

It is great to see everyone's input. As you know I am not a developer or hardcore techie like my brothers and sisters here, but for someone in programs and projects like me, I depend on and 150% support the creation of local software. When it comes time to set up the structure of the organization, I am able to assist. When will there be the first meet up for the idea? Crystal On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Erick Njenga <eriknjenga@gmail.com> wrote:

I actually agree with aki's philosophy.

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We can meet on the 19th perhaps? March... On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:43 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear @Crystal,

You are absolutely correct on your participation if the Association was formed. So far, I've just listed the basic technology aspect, however the final structure, in my general view will have these:

- Chair Person : A visionary and someone who does NOT own a company or a business that can or will benefit from the industry, position, awareness or whilst in contact with various organizations in whatever manner. Nor has any vested interests in govt, private sector. This will be compulsory as the rot of vested interests is the rot that this country must do without. We will have to find this selfless individual.

- Advisory Panel : Legal, Developer and Social.

- Marketing, Awareness and PR Panel : Visionaries who can turn "Made in Kenya: The rest is competition!" into a brand.

- Accounts and Auditing Panel : Financial Advisors and Auditors

- Research and Visionary Panel : Kenyan Software Companies, Developers and those who share a common goal and targets

- Developer Teams, or Individuals.

To me, the creation of this Assocation must come from us all, that is the primary reason that I started this thread. When we are done discussing the necessary ways ahead, have a concrete document to support any structure, have a vision on how we want to achieve this, then I believe we are ready for thr first step i.e the formation of the association.

Rgds. :-)

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:

...

It is great to see everyone's input.

As you know I am not a developer or hardcore techie like my brothers and sisters here, but for someone in programs and projects like me, I depend on and 150% support the creation of local software.

When it comes time to set up the structure of the organization, I am able to assist.

When will there be the first meet up for the idea?

Crystal

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@Phares, if possible and in my view, let us avoid forming or laying the foundation for an association/foundation without the views and inputs of everyone, else I believe we may end up as another dis-integrated group. If you have a plan, please share details on this list and let us all review with a way forward. :-) @Oliver, great thoughts and thanks for sharing. By the look of things, though I could be wrong, it seems that we have become quite a scattered community because the current situation/foundations/associations are dis-integrated into basically stake-holder kind of units. Stake-holders community is really the worst kind, because it locks out everyone else due in vested interests within the broader community. Then we are most likely looking at groups within an association/foundation. My concern then is, how can we keep a common ground on our principle mission i.e. build on KE? Rgds. :-) On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com> wrote:

I started a similar thread sometime ago and it is great to see something similar come back so soon.

What is important to consider in such a foundation are things like members benefits in the market place like we have with other professions world wide. Take for instance in Uk they have a foundation for graphic designers and this ensures that the any graphic designer is registered with that organisation. The benefits come in two fold. 1. ensure that any one who recruits you as a contractor or staff member, you get the best offers in terms of remuneration. 2. Proprietary rights and IP on your work.

We have had scenarios here in Kenya where you develop a software for a client and just because they paid for your Dev. time they want to own the Intellectual property. It becomes such a messy issue trying to get the client to understand that they own the business process and not the code. Name it developers deal with a lot problems and most of them will actually give in either for the handouts or just for lack of information on what to do. Ones you have done this the client changes developer and all your effort goes to the Dogs.

So let us look further beyond developing and look at what more can members fetch and benefit from such a formation. We have set the record straight on our capabilities after scooping a few global awards last year from the i-cow to Virtual city's awards and the list continues.

Lets put a voice that the rest of the world will in no time recognize and make it very very successful/. Count me in.

Regards Oliver

yap, or skype chat On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 3:27 PM, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com> wrote:

@Phares and Aki why dont you confrence on skunks irc so many guys are logged in there nowadays, and i beleive if u agree on the time then no matter the place everyone can login including those who wouldnt make it to the meeting and those interested in the progress.

Me thots ./TheMburu

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:02 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@Phares, if possible and in my view, let us avoid forming or laying the foundation for an association/foundation without the views and inputs of everyone, else I believe we may end up as another dis-integrated group. If you have a plan, please share details on this list and let us all review with a way forward. :-)

@Oliver, great thoughts and thanks for sharing. By the look of things, though I could be wrong, it seems that we have become quite a scattered community because the current situation/foundations/associations are dis-integrated into basically stake-holder kind of units. Stake-holders community is really the worst kind, because it locks out everyone else due in vested interests within the broader community.

Then we are most likely looking at groups within an association/foundation. My concern then is, how can we keep a common ground on our principle mission i.e. build on KE?

Rgds. :-)

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:

...

I started a similar thread sometime ago and it is great to see something similar come back so soon.

What is important to consider in such a foundation are things like members benefits in the market place like we have with other professions world wide. Take for instance in Uk they have a foundation for graphic designers and this ensures that the any graphic designer is registered with that organisation. The benefits come in two fold. 1. ensure that any one who recruits you as a contractor or staff member, you get the best offers in terms of remuneration. 2. Proprietary rights and IP on your work.

We have had scenarios here in Kenya where you develop a software for a client and just because they paid for your Dev. time they want to own the Intellectual property. It becomes such a messy issue trying to get the client to understand that they own the business process and not the code. Name it developers deal with a lot problems and most of them will actually give in either for the handouts or just for lack of information on what to do. Ones you have done this the client changes developer and all your effort goes to the Dogs.

So let us look further beyond developing and look at what more can members fetch and benefit from such a formation. We have set the record straight on our capabilities after scooping a few global awards last year from the i-cow to Virtual city's awards and the list continues.

Lets put a voice that the rest of the world will in no time recognize and make it very very successful/. Count me in.

Regards Oliver

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The channel is irc url: irc.freenode.net channel #skunks ./TheMburu On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> wrote:

@TheMburu : channel ?

On 4 March 2011 07:27, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@Phares and Aki why dont you confrence on skunks irc so many guys are logged in there nowadays, and i beleive if u agree on the time then no matter the place everyone can login including those who wouldnt make it to the meeting and those interested in the progress.

Me thots ./TheMburu

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 1:02 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@Phares, if possible and in my view, let us avoid forming or laying the foundation for an association/foundation without the views and inputs of everyone, else I believe we may end up as another dis-integrated group. If you have a plan, please share details on this list and let us all review with a way forward. :-)

@Oliver, great thoughts and thanks for sharing. By the look of things, though I could be wrong, it seems that we have become quite a scattered community because the current situation/foundations/associations are dis-integrated into basically stake-holder kind of units. Stake-holders community is really the worst kind, because it locks out everyone else due in vested interests within the broader community.

Then we are most likely looking at groups within an association/foundation. My concern then is, how can we keep a common ground on our principle mission i.e. build on KE?

Rgds. :-)

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Oliver Ndegwa <olie.ndegwa@gmail.com>wrote:

...

I started a similar thread sometime ago and it is great to see something similar come back so soon.

What is important to consider in such a foundation are things like members benefits in the market place like we have with other professions world wide. Take for instance in Uk they have a foundation for graphic designers and this ensures that the any graphic designer is registered with that organisation. The benefits come in two fold. 1. ensure that any one who recruits you as a contractor or staff member, you get the best offers in terms of remuneration. 2. Proprietary rights and IP on your work.

We have had scenarios here in Kenya where you develop a software for a client and just because they paid for your Dev. time they want to own the Intellectual property. It becomes such a messy issue trying to get the client to understand that they own the business process and not the code. Name it developers deal with a lot problems and most of them will actually give in either for the handouts or just for lack of information on what to do. Ones you have done this the client changes developer and all your effort goes to the Dogs.

So let us look further beyond developing and look at what more can members fetch and benefit from such a formation. We have set the record straight on our capabilities after scooping a few global awards last year from the i-cow to Virtual city's awards and the list continues.

Lets put a voice that the rest of the world will in no time recognize and make it very very successful/. Count me in.

Regards Oliver

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Any special plugins or download requirements on the IRC, just get a blank page.... pls mail me offlist. Thnks. On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 4:12 PM, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com> wrote:

The channel is irc

url: irc.freenode.net channel #skunks

./TheMburu

The group is already in facebook On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:44 AM, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey Just wondering when is the discussion going down on skunks irc channel, been waiting for you to facilitate this alongside phares!!

Cheers ./TheMburu

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:56 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

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Any special plugins or download requirements on the IRC, just get a blank page.... pls mail me offlist. Thnks.

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 4:12 PM, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com>wrote:

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The channel is irc

url: irc.freenode.net channel #skunks

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My apology, could not log in this week but will be online last next week. Looking forward to what @Phares has in mind. On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 8:52 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

@TheMburu, great. Thanks for that, will go online early next week. :-)

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 3:27 PM, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com>wrote:

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@Phares and Aki why dont you confrence on skunks irc so many guys are logged in there nowadays, and i beleive if u agree on the time then no matter the place everyone can login including those who wouldnt make it to the meeting and those interested in the progress.

Hey, I'd like to propose an 'Open Hour' on Saturday, where we can bang this out. Sorry for the short notice :-(. All who are interested show up at iHub from 3 pm. We have a discussion on the same, I will brief on what's going on with the foundation etc and the vison and guys can throw in their feedback... Thoughts? Coffee and cookies will be served :-) On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Crystal Watley Kigoni < crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:

How far did this idea reach? I haven't seen any updates ;)

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:54 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

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More of a Foundation... Can act as a trust... Actually one of the things to be done with said foundation is 'social' research projects. So it would fall right into what we aim to achieve...

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 4:54 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hey @Davis, brilliant idea.

Hey @Phares, not sure what is being setup....The Association or a fund ? It'd be great if either are already in the process. Rgds. :-)

On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:

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On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 2:56 PM, Davis Waithaka <daviswaithaka@gmail.com

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wrote:

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@ aki et al,

While at it, why not also think of a skunkworks revolving/endowment fund to help finance all those brilliant skunks or skunk ideas. That would really push the need of some association or formal Group.

Already in the process of being setup...

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