http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1137189921/larry_madowo.jpg <http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1137189921/larry_madowo.jpg>this guy. on this page. http://twitter.com/#!/LarryMadowo On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:45 AM, @dutchezjuma <dutchez8@gmail.com> wrote:

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On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

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Am suprised that Larry Madowo has commented about there being no security experts in Kenya (or insinuating the same) who can talk to him about Internet security - and I presume, as concerns the defacing of the Kenya Police website

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On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:49 AM, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:

Haiya, you mean Larry madowo left KTN?

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http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1137189921/larry_madowo.jpg <http://a3.twimg.com/profile_images/1137189921/larry_madowo.jpg>this guy. on this page. http://twitter.com/#!/LarryMadowo

I think by security experts he meant he mean't the ones that man gates, or may be the hackers. Maybe we should invite him to a skunkworks event and demostrate whether we meet those "security" requirements.

Thought Larry was on the list, saw one or two of his contributions here sometime back. -- ˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙ Regards, David Njuki @njukey [Google,Twitter,Yahoo]

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Dont know why people are getting worked up, thing is he asked if any online sec. expert was available to speak to him, no one wanted to. Read the tweets please. V On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:05 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:

I would be concerned if Madowo was any form of expert. He's not and reports what experts say. He's in the publicity business and with comments like this he's has homeground advantage. Let's not get worked up about it let's help the brother.

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The last time Gawker said this , they got *wned (* insert all alphabetical letters here)

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Oh my, why is everybody so angry today...relaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaax What Larry was saying is that he was looking for a security expert to interview, but nobody was willing to be interviewed... ...I believe he is subscribed to this list...so be careful what you say about him, he is a journalist and he can make or break you... On 1/6/11, Victor Ngeny <victormaritim@gmail.com> wrote:

Dont know why people are getting worked up, thing is he asked if any online sec. expert was available to speak to him, no one wanted to. Read the tweets please.

V

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:05 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:

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I would be concerned if Madowo was any form of expert. He's not and reports what experts say. He's in the publicity business and with comments like this he's has homeground advantage. Let's not get worked up about it let's help the brother.

On 1/6/11, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

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The last time Gawker said this , they got *wned (* insert all alphabetical letters here)

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Claire; And why would I fear a journalist? There exists editors et al to vindicate the story n Larry will soon b discovered he's mudslinging a skunk. He knows where security experts are. Definitely in Kenya, he'll find them on skunkworks

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com>wrote:

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Oh my, why is everybody so angry today...relaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaax

What Larry was saying is that he was looking for a security expert to interview, but nobody was willing to be interviewed...

Okech, I consign. On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

The reason I put this up here is that when you wake up and say on twitter (or any social media for that matter) that I cannot get a security expert to talk to in town, you simply telling the world that there exists no security expert in town and more so in the country - Am no security expert but I can personally tell him a thing or two about security, so insinuating that there is none, yet a forum like this hosts thousands is right there next to an abuse of the profession.

./Ok3ch

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:

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Claire;

And why would I fear a journalist? There exists editors et al to vindicate the story n Larry will soon b discovered he's mudslinging a skunk. He knows where security experts are. Definitely in Kenya, he'll find them on skunkworks

...

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:

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Oh my, why is everybody so angry today...relaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaax

What Larry was saying is that he was looking for a security expert to interview, but nobody was willing to be interviewed...

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I gather from this tweet that the interview has already aired? http://twitter.com/LarryMadowo/status/23096360597192704 @iFortknox <http://twitter.com/iFortknox> thanks 4 watching. He's a hacker w/ experience in such things. His role was 2 explain it to the rest of Kenyans w/o tech knowhow Any chance of an online video? Erick On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Victor Ngeny <victormaritim@gmail.com>wrote:

Okech,

True, the main fault is taking twitter to be the 'end all' in online communication, usually you find people ignoring other forums, lists and networks and focusing only on twitter. Sometimes it works sometimes it does not.

V

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:41 PM, ty <tyruskam@gmail.com> wrote:

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Okech,

I consign.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

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The reason I put this up here is that when you wake up and say on twitter (or any social media for that matter) that I cannot get a security expert to talk to in town, you simply telling the world that there exists no security expert in town and more so in the country - Am no security expert but I can personally tell him a thing or two about security, so insinuating that there is none, yet a forum like this hosts thousands is right there next to an abuse of the profession.

./Ok3ch

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:

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Claire;

And why would I fear a journalist? There exists editors et al to vindicate the story n Larry will soon b discovered he's mudslinging a skunk. He knows where security experts are. Definitely in Kenya, he'll find them on skunkworks

...

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com> wrote:

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Oh my, why is everybody so angry today...relaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaax

What Larry was saying is that he was looking for a security expert to interview, but nobody was willing to be interviewed...

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Hey guys, Am back on the list because I've gathered that a number of my tweets from yesterday were taken out of context even getting my friend PS Ndemo to comment on the original misinformation. I believe this is the tweet that started it: http://twitter.com/#!/LarryMadowo/status/22902836576657408. A short while later, I followed it up with this: http://twitter.com/#!/LarryMadowo/status/22924904814870528. If you read the 2 tweets together (or even individually) you can obviously see that I was trying to speak to a hacker or some other online security pro and I couldn't find any on Twitter. I didn't post it on Skunkworks because I am no longer on the list for different reasons. I put it on my Twitter page because a good number of the 3,600+ people who follow me are techies and have always come through for me in the past. After the second tweet, I did speak to Kahenya Kamunyu, himself a hacker and techie who saw the second tweet and got in touch. The story aired from 1pm on NTV News and is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ayxaRMAsn4 Any casual reading of my tweet clearly indicates that I believed that Kenya indeed has internet security experts. Only that none was available in town and willing to talk to me at that point. I have a lot of respect for Kenyan techies, and there are few Kenyan journalists who cover technology with as much passion and dedication as I do. I hope that this clears things up nicely. In future, I would appreciate that anybody on this list who has something to say about my tweets (or on-air content for that matter) directly emails me for a response. Good evening everybody LARRY lmadowo@ke.nationmedia.com On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 6:04 PM, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:

Guys,

I think Larry is back on the list... we should let him explain, although I think it was barely a mistranslation of his statement.

David.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Erick NNN <erickarn@gmail.com> wrote:

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I gather from this tweet that the interview has already aired?

http://twitter.com/LarryMadowo/status/23096360597192704

@iFortknox <http://twitter.com/iFortknox> thanks 4 watching. He's a hacker w/ experience in such things. His role was 2 explain it to the rest of Kenyans w/o tech knowhow

Any chance of an online video? Erick

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Victor Ngeny <victormaritim@gmail.com>wrote:

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Okech,

True, the main fault is taking twitter to be the 'end all' in online communication, usually you find people ignoring other forums, lists and networks and focusing only on twitter. Sometimes it works sometimes it does not.

V

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:41 PM, ty <tyruskam@gmail.com> wrote:

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Okech,

I consign.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

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The reason I put this up here is that when you wake up and say on twitter (or any social media for that matter) that I cannot get a security expert to talk to in town, you simply telling the world that there exists no security expert in town and more so in the country - Am no security expert but I can personally tell him a thing or two about security, so insinuating that there is none, yet a forum like this hosts thousands is right there next to an abuse of the profession.

./Ok3ch

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:

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Claire;

And why would I fear a journalist? There exists editors et al to vindicate the story n Larry will soon b discovered he's mudslinging a skunk. He knows where security experts are. Definitely in Kenya, he'll find them on skunkworks > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Claire Njoki <clairenjoki@gmail.com

> wrote: >> >> Oh my, why is everybody so angry today...relaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaax >> >> What Larry was saying is that he was looking for a security expert to >> interview, but nobody was willing to be interviewed...

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On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Erick NNN <erickarn@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the Youtube link, Larry. Screenshots make a difference to the story. Personally, I think a simple tweet has been blown out of proportion.

You and Larry aren't politicians. They are the only ones known to easily claim "misquoted". I still believe Larry should have posted here, but again he's said that he's not a memba anymore so let's let this be bygones rather than try to raise some defense. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Damn!!

Larry, welcome back. However I am taken aback by your other 'different reasons' for not being a member of the list. It is true that everyone is going nervous about what they say or do online after wikileaks and continued attacks on government sites across the world. I have seen Moscow autocrats go paranoid and wary of US proprietary technology and acting on recommendations of Kremlin, one Vladimir Putin have signed an executive order that require public institutions to replace all proprietary software, made by US companies like Microsoft, with free Open source software by 2015. The proprietary software are alleged to feature secret back doors that lead directly to Langley and FBI. But yours here may pass as a mere forgetting of the account credentials that you had used to subscribe to the list. On another note, let us beware of net neutrality-that- freedom to do it your way online, when you tell guys to directly email you for response, just as it is to media freedom. We have seen it with Jullian Assange taking his own medicine, accusing Guardian of leaking the police investigations report of his Case. On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Larry Madowo <larrymads@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey guys,

Am back on the list because I've gathered that a number of my tweets from yesterday were taken out of context even getting my friend PS Ndemo to comment on the original misinformation.

I believe this is the tweet that started it: http://twitter.com/#!/LarryMadowo/status/22902836576657408<http://twitter.com/#%21/LarryMadowo/status/22902836576657408>. A short while later, I followed it up with this: http://twitter.com/#!/LarryMadowo/status/22924904814870528<http://twitter.com/#%21/LarryMadowo/status/22924904814870528> .

If you read the 2 tweets together (or even individually) you can obviously see that I was trying to speak to a hacker or some other online security pro and I couldn't find any on Twitter. I didn't post it on Skunkworks because I am no longer on the list for different reasons. I put it on my Twitter page because a good number of the 3,600+ people who follow me are techies and have always come through for me in the past.

After the second tweet, I did speak to Kahenya Kamunyu, himself a hacker and techie who saw the second tweet and got in touch. The story aired from 1pm on NTV News and is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ayxaRMAsn4

Any casual reading of my tweet clearly indicates that I believed that Kenya indeed has internet security experts. Only that none was available in town and willing to talk to me at that point. I have a lot of respect for Kenyan techies, and there are few Kenyan journalists who cover technology with as much passion and dedication as I do.

I hope that this clears things up nicely. In future, I would appreciate that anybody on this list who has something to say about my tweets (or on-air content for that matter) directly emails me for a response.

Good evening everybody

LARRY lmadowo@ke.nationmedia.com

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 6:04 PM, David Mugo <raidarmax@gmail.com> wrote:

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Guys,

I think Larry is back on the list... we should let him explain, although I think it was barely a mistranslation of his statement.

David.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Erick NNN <erickarn@gmail.com> wrote:

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I gather from this tweet that the interview has already aired?

http://twitter.com/LarryMadowo/status/23096360597192704

@iFortknox <http://twitter.com/iFortknox> thanks 4 watching. He's a hacker w/ experience in such things. His role was 2 explain it to the rest of Kenyans w/o tech knowhow

Any chance of an online video? Erick

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Victor Ngeny <victormaritim@gmail.com>wrote:

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Okech,

True, the main fault is taking twitter to be the 'end all' in online communication, usually you find people ignoring other forums, lists and networks and focusing only on twitter. Sometimes it works sometimes it does not.

V

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:41 PM, ty <tyruskam@gmail.com> wrote:

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Okech,

I consign.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

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The reason I put this up here is that when you wake up and say on twitter (or any social media for that matter) that I cannot get a security expert to talk to in town, you simply telling the world that there exists no security expert in town and more so in the country - Am no security expert but I can personally tell him a thing or two about security, so insinuating that there is none, yet a forum like this hosts thousands is right there next to an abuse of the profession.

./Ok3ch

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote: > Claire; > > And why would I fear a journalist? There exists editors et al to vindicate > the story n Larry will soon b discovered he's mudslinging a skunk. He knows > where security experts are. Definitely in Kenya, he'll find them on > skunkworks >> >> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Claire Njoki < clairenjoki@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Oh my, why is everybody so angry today...relaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaax >>> >>> What Larry was saying is that he was looking for a security expert to >>> interview, but nobody was willing to be interviewed... > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke

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@Fabian said, .."[insecurity is]..due to poor passwords or badly configured open source applications" I would have thought ANY badly configured application would be vulnerable; be it M$, linux, unix, mac, etc. walu. --- On Thu, 1/6/11, Theus Owuor <kootie73@gmail.com> wrote: From: Theus Owuor <kootie73@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Larry Madowo's comments on twitter about security experts To: "Skunkworks Mailing List" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Cc: "Security" <security@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Thursday, January 6, 2011, 5:24 PM Hi, most hackings on kenyan sites are either due to poor passwords or badly configured open source applications , all larry has to do is ask the people who work with these applications on a daily basis. we do have some very qualified people with knowledge on internet security. regards Fabian   On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote: Am suprised that Larry Madowo has commented about there being no security experts in Kenya (or insinuating the same) who can talk to him about Internet security - and I presume, as concerns the defacing of the Kenya Police website ./Ok3ch _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke