This is just an idea and but I was thinking what if skunks was able to collect funds to be used to take up legal matters that affect ICT. Case in point is the case of safaricon being brought down by Kenic. Whether you are for or against it the matter does bring up certain pertinent issues regarding free speech and the Internet in Kenya. If we had a volunteer legal team or a funds kitty we could address the matter in court. For those saying that we should not go against the big dogs I'd say remember they are driven to make profits and not social well being and rule of law. Just my 3 otonglos on the matter.
I think this is a wonderful idea. May be even develop a framework for skunks to formally address matters in ICT. It's long overdue and absolutely vital to the dev't of ICT in Kenya. We must step up to the plate. Tony Olendo P.O. Box 48418-00100 M| +254737237211 M| +254720214065 E | <mailto:tony@tonyolendo.com> tony@tonyolendo.com W| www.tonyolendo.com Skype| anthony.olendo From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Jacob Odada Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:15 AM To: Skunkworks forum Subject: [Skunkworks] Skunks legal funds kitty This is just an idea and but I was thinking what if skunks was able to collect funds to be used to take up legal matters that affect ICT. Case in point is the case of safaricon being brought down by Kenic. Whether you are for or against it the matter does bring up certain pertinent issues regarding free speech and the Internet in Kenya. If we had a volunteer legal team or a funds kitty we could address the matter in court. For those saying that we should not go against the big dogs I'd say remember they are driven to make profits and not social well being and rule of law. Just my 3 otonglos on the matter.
I agree. a better route IMHO would be to partner with an organization thats been doing this kind of stuff, like Kituo Cha sheria and having some sort of interpreter and compiler to enhance communication between the two... Is more efficient in me opinion. On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Tony Olendo <teeolendo@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this is a wonderful idea… May be even develop a framework for skunks to formally address matters in ICT… It’s long overdue and absolutely vital to the dev’t of ICT in Kenya. We must step up to the plate…****
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This is just an idea and but I was thinking what if skunks was able to collect funds to be used to take up legal matters that affect ICT. Case in point is the case of safaricon being brought down by Kenic. Whether you are for or against it the matter does bring up certain pertinent issues regarding free speech and the Internet in Kenya. If we had a volunteer legal team or a funds kitty we could address the matter in court. For those saying that we should not go against the big dogs I'd say remember they are driven to make profits and not social well being and rule of law.
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Why would my hard earned money be used to defend SafariCON? Peter On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I agree. a better route IMHO would be to partner with an organization thats been doing this kind of stuff, like Kituo Cha sheria and having some sort of interpreter and compiler to enhance communication between the two... Is more efficient in me opinion.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Tony Olendo <teeolendo@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this is a wonderful idea… May be even develop a framework for skunks to formally address matters in ICT… It’s long overdue and absolutely vital to the dev’t of ICT in Kenya. We must step up to the plate…****
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There is a dispute resolution Mechanism being established by KENIC, if you feel the case has a Merit i think it is the way to go,we were informed about this during the Kenic AGM. Best Regards On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:
Why would my hard earned money be used to defend SafariCON? Peter
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree. a better route IMHO would be to partner with an organization thats been doing this kind of stuff, like Kituo Cha sheria and having some sort of interpreter and compiler to enhance communication between the two... Is more efficient in me opinion.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Tony Olendo <teeolendo@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this is a wonderful idea… May be even develop a framework for skunks to formally address matters in ICT… It’s long overdue and absolutely vital to the dev’t of ICT in Kenya. We must step up to the plate…
Tony Olendo
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safaricon.co.ke is still up and registered at KENIC. the hosts, mambo microsystems, are the ones who've suspended the site citing TOS violations. On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 09:17, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
There is a dispute resolution Mechanism being established by KENIC, if you feel the case has a Merit i think it is the way to go,we were informed about this during the Kenic AGM.
Best Regards
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:
Why would my hard earned money be used to defend SafariCON? Peter
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree. a better route IMHO would be to partner with an organization thats been doing this kind of stuff, like Kituo Cha sheria and having
some
sort of interpreter and compiler to enhance communication between the two... Is more efficient in me opinion.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Tony Olendo <teeolendo@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this is a wonderful idea… May be even develop a framework for skunks to formally address matters in ICT… It’s long overdue and
absolutely
vital to the dev’t of ICT in Kenya. We must step up to the plate…
Tony Olendo
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All Im saying as techies we need to be involved in matters that affect ICT locally. For those asking why should your hard earned money be used to support safaricon all I can tell you is remember this quote by I may not agree with what you say but I will die for your right to say it.We need to setup a legal precedence that will govern aspects of free speech in the net locally. We should not depend on an organisation like kenics good intentions to enforce such a basic right. Rgds On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:55 AM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
safaricon.co.ke is still up and registered at KENIC. the hosts, mambo microsystems, are the ones who've suspended the site citing TOS violations.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 09:17, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
There is a dispute resolution Mechanism being established by KENIC, if you feel the case has a Merit i think it is the way to go,we were informed about this during the Kenic AGM.
Best Regards
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:
Why would my hard earned money be used to defend SafariCON? Peter
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree. a better route IMHO would be to partner with an organization thats been doing this kind of stuff, like Kituo Cha sheria and having
some
sort of interpreter and compiler to enhance communication between the two... Is more efficient in me opinion.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Tony Olendo <teeolendo@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this is a wonderful idea… May be even develop a framework for skunks to formally address matters in ICT… It’s long overdue and
absolutely
vital to the dev’t of ICT in Kenya. We must step up to the plate…
Tony Olendo
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Jacob, you should have attended the KENIC AGM, dispute resolution was discussed at length by the Company Secretary and members present gave their input as well, the new constitution encourages the use of institutional structures to resolve such issues, lets make informed moves KENIC is Public Private Partnership, as a private entity i have a stake in the registry, why should i take myself to court if there is another way of resolving the issue which i havent tried ?, see the predicament? On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Jacob Odada <jacob.odada@gmail.com> wrote:
All Im saying as techies we need to be involved in matters that affect ICT locally. For those asking why should your hard earned money be used to support safaricon all I can tell you is remember this quote by
I may not agree with what you say but I will die for your right to say it.
We need to setup a legal precedence that will govern aspects of free speech in the net locally. We should not depend on an organisation like kenics good intentions to enforce such a basic right.
Rgds
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 9:55 AM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
safaricon.co.ke is still up and registered at KENIC. the hosts, mambo microsystems, are the ones who've suspended the site citing TOS violations.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 09:17, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
There is a dispute resolution Mechanism being established by KENIC, if you feel the case has a Merit i think it is the way to go,we were informed about this during the Kenic AGM.
Best Regards
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:
Why would my hard earned money be used to defend SafariCON? Peter
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree. a better route IMHO would be to partner with an organization thats been doing this kind of stuff, like Kituo Cha sheria and having some sort of interpreter and compiler to enhance communication between the two... Is more efficient in me opinion.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Tony Olendo <teeolendo@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this is a wonderful idea… May be even develop a framework for skunks to formally address matters in ICT… It’s long overdue and absolutely vital to the dev’t of ICT in Kenya. We must step up to the plate…
Tony Olendo
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Peter, Keep your "hard earned" money to yourself. There are people who opt to make a stand against bullying and rectifying what they deem unfair business practice. I can bet you sooner or later as a business owner you'll have one of those. "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." Have a wonderful day. Kiania D. On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:
Why would my hard earned money be used to defend SafariCON? Peter
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree. a better route IMHO would be to partner with an organization thats been doing this kind of stuff, like Kituo Cha sheria and having some sort of interpreter and compiler to enhance communication between the two... Is more efficient in me opinion.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Tony Olendo <teeolendo@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this is a wonderful idea… May be even develop a framework for skunks to formally address matters in ICT… It’s long overdue and absolutely vital to the dev’t of ICT in Kenya. We must step up to the plate…
Tony Olendo
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As far as this particular case is concerned, i do agree with Brainiac and I will assist in getting a hold of Kituo cha Sheria. Is there a way of getting in touch with the people behind the idea. The number listed in whois, doesn't go through and the hosts promised to get back to me when this first came up and am still waiting. On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:03, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter,
Keep your "hard earned" money to yourself. There are people who opt to make a stand against bullying and rectifying what they deem unfair business practice. I can bet you sooner or later as a business owner you'll have one of those.
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Have a wonderful day.
Kiania D.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:
Why would my hard earned money be used to defend SafariCON? Peter
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree. a better route IMHO would be to partner with an organization thats been doing this kind of stuff, like Kituo Cha sheria and having
some
sort of interpreter and compiler to enhance communication between the two... Is more efficient in me opinion.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Tony Olendo <teeolendo@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this is a wonderful idea… May be even develop a framework for skunks to formally address matters in ICT… It’s long overdue and
absolutely
vital to the dev’t of ICT in Kenya. We must step up to the plate…
Tony Olendo
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Amanya, If i may ask why dont you want to confront KeNiC directly using the available mechanism? On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:32 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
As far as this particular case is concerned, i do agree with Brainiac and I will assist in getting a hold of Kituo cha Sheria. Is there a way of getting in touch with the people behind the idea. The number listed in whois, doesn't go through and the hosts promised to get back to me when this first came up and am still waiting.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:03, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter,
Keep your "hard earned" money to yourself. There are people who opt to make a stand against bullying and rectifying what they deem unfair business practice. I can bet you sooner or later as a business owner you'll have one of those.
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Have a wonderful day.
Kiania D.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:
Why would my hard earned money be used to defend SafariCON? Peter
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree. a better route IMHO would be to partner with an organization thats been doing this kind of stuff, like Kituo Cha sheria and having some sort of interpreter and compiler to enhance communication between the two... Is more efficient in me opinion.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Tony Olendo <teeolendo@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this is a wonderful idea… May be even develop a framework for skunks to formally address matters in ICT… It’s long overdue and absolutely vital to the dev’t of ICT in Kenya. We must step up to the plate…
Tony Olendo
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Barack, it's because a whois query shows the domain still registered at Kenic and i talked to the site hosts when this first came up and they said they are the one's who have suspended the site on violation of TOS grounds. I don't see how Kenic comes in, ama there is something am missing? On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 13:21, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Amanya,
If i may ask why dont you want to confront KeNiC directly using the available mechanism?
As far as this particular case is concerned, i do agree with Brainiac and I will assist in getting a hold of Kituo cha Sheria. Is there a way of getting in touch with the people behind the idea. The number listed in whois, doesn't go through and the hosts promised to get back to me when this first came up and am still waiting.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:03, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter,
Keep your "hard earned" money to yourself. There are people who opt to make a stand against bullying and rectifying what they deem unfair business practice. I can bet you sooner or later as a business owner you'll have one of those.
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Have a wonderful day.
Kiania D.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:
Why would my hard earned money be used to defend SafariCON? Peter
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com
wrote:
I agree. a better route IMHO would be to partner with an organization thats been doing this kind of stuff, like Kituo Cha sheria and having some sort of interpreter and compiler to enhance communication between the two... Is more efficient in me opinion.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Tony Olendo <teeolendo@gmail.com> wrote:
I think this is a wonderful idea… May be even develop a framework
for
skunks to formally address matters in ICT… It’s long overdue and absolutely vital to the dev’t of ICT in Kenya. We must step up to the plate…
Tony Olendo
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On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:32 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote: -
mark twain
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I think just to set the correct precedent, litigation should happen. were it that negotiation was a valid option the complainant (in this case queen bee) should have followed suit and lodged a complaint. (unless of course this was done in which case the story would be different. Go on amanya, have these guys sue for loss of income, malacious damage to property (reputation in this case), irreversible curtailment to constitutionally protected freedom of expressions and all and demand for a 26.9B compensation (to pay big lawyers when queen bee strikes back.... On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:37 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
Barack, it's because a whois query shows the domain still registered at Kenic and i talked to the site hosts when this first came up and they said they are the one's who have suspended the site on violation of TOS grounds. I don't see how Kenic comes in, ama there is something am missing?
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 13:21, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Amanya,
If i may ask why dont you want to confront KeNiC directly using the available mechanism?
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:32 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
As far as this particular case is concerned, i do agree with Brainiac and I will assist in getting a hold of Kituo cha Sheria. Is there a way of getting in touch with the people behind the idea. The number listed in whois, doesn't go through and the hosts promised to get back to me when this first came up and am still waiting.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:03, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter,
Keep your "hard earned" money to yourself. There are people who opt to make a stand against bullying and rectifying what they deem unfair business practice. I can bet you sooner or later as a business owner you'll have one of those.
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Have a wonderful day.
Kiania D.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote:
Why would my hard earned money be used to defend SafariCON? Peter
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] <
arebacollins@gmail.com>
wrote:
I agree. a better route IMHO would be to partner with an
organization
thats been doing this kind of stuff, like Kituo Cha sheria and having some sort of interpreter and compiler to enhance communication between the two... Is more efficient in me opinion.
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Tony Olendo <teeolendo@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think this is a wonderful idea… May be even develop a framework for > skunks to formally address matters in ICT… It’s long overdue and > absolutely > vital to the dev’t of ICT in Kenya. We must step up to the plate… > > > > Tony Olendo > >
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Oh, i see Amanya, if the issue is with the hosts then that could be a difeerent course, i will be keen to get Grace Bomu's opinion or Alex Gakurus opinion on this since they are experts in this domain going forwad, meanwhile i encourage all skunks to purpose to attend the forthcoming IGF, register at www.intgovforum.org. We have a workshop organised by Kenyan Youth. On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:43 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I think just to set the correct precedent, litigation should happen. were it that negotiation was a valid option the complainant (in this case queen bee) should have followed suit and lodged a complaint. (unless of course this was done in which case the story would be different. Go on amanya, have these guys sue for loss of income, malacious damage to property (reputation in this case), irreversible curtailment to constitutionally protected freedom of expressions and all and demand for a 26.9B compensation (to pay big lawyers when queen bee strikes back....
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:37 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
Barack, it's because a whois query shows the domain still registered at Kenic and i talked to the site hosts when this first came up and they said they are the one's who have suspended the site on violation of TOS grounds. I don't see how Kenic comes in, ama there is something am missing?
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 13:21, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Amanya,
If i may ask why dont you want to confront KeNiC directly using the available mechanism?
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:32 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
As far as this particular case is concerned, i do agree with Brainiac and I will assist in getting a hold of Kituo cha Sheria. Is there a way of getting in touch with the people behind the idea. The number listed in whois, doesn't go through and the hosts promised to get back to me when this first came up and am still waiting.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:03, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter,
Keep your "hard earned" money to yourself. There are people who opt to make a stand against bullying and rectifying what they deem unfair business practice. I can bet you sooner or later as a business owner you'll have one of those.
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Have a wonderful day.
Kiania D.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Peter Osotsi <peter.osotsi@gmail.com
wrote:
Why would my hard earned money be used to defend SafariCON? Peter
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] < arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote: > > I agree. a better route IMHO would be to partner with an organization > thats been doing this kind of stuff, like Kituo Cha sheria and having > some > sort of interpreter and compiler to enhance communication between the > two... > Is more efficient in me opinion. > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Tony Olendo <teeolendo@gmail.com
> wrote: >> >> I think this is a wonderful idea… May be even develop a framework for >> skunks to formally address matters in ICT… It’s long overdue and >> absolutely >> vital to the dev’t of ICT in Kenya. We must step up to the plate… >> >> >> >> Tony Olendo >> >>
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Hi All Yesterday, I finally got to speak to Priscilla, the Kituo cha Sheria Executive Director, about this. She is very interested in this but suggested that we need to get the actual reason as to why the website was taken down. In this regard does anyone know how to get in touch with the person(s) behind the website? regards amanya On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 14:53, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Oh, i see Amanya, if the issue is with the hosts then that could be a difeerent course, i will be keen to get Grace Bomu's opinion or Alex Gakurus opinion on this since they are experts in this domain going forwad, meanwhile i encourage all skunks to purpose to attend the forthcoming IGF, register at www.intgovforum.org. We have a workshop organised by Kenyan Youth.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:43 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I think just to set the correct precedent, litigation should happen. were it that negotiation was a valid option the complainant (in this case queen bee) should have followed suit and lodged a complaint. (unless of course this was done in which case the story would be different. Go on amanya, have these guys sue for loss of income, malacious damage to property (reputation in this case), irreversible curtailment to constitutionally protected freedom of expressions and all and demand for a 26.9B compensation (to pay big lawyers when queen bee strikes back....
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:37 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
Barack, it's because a whois query shows the domain still registered at Kenic and i talked to the site hosts when this first came up and they said they are the one's who have suspended the site on violation of TOS grounds. I don't see how Kenic comes in, ama there is something am missing?
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 13:21, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Amanya,
If i may ask why dont you want to confront KeNiC directly using the available mechanism?
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:32 PM, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:
As far as this particular case is concerned, i do agree with Brainiac and I will assist in getting a hold of Kituo cha Sheria. Is there a way of getting in touch with the people behind the idea. The number listed in whois, doesn't go through and the hosts promised to get back to me when this first came up and am still waiting.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 12:03, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Peter,
Keep your "hard earned" money to yourself. There are people who opt
to
make a stand against bullying and rectifying what they deem unfair business practice. I can bet you sooner or later as a business owner you'll have one of those.
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Have a wonderful day.
Kiania D.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Peter Osotsi < peter.osotsi@gmail.com> wrote: > Why would my hard earned money be used to defend SafariCON? > Peter > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 3:24 PM, [ Brainiac ] < arebacollins@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> I agree. a better route IMHO would be to partner with an organization >> thats been doing this kind of stuff, like Kituo Cha sheria and having >> some >> sort of interpreter and compiler to enhance communication between the >> two... >> Is more efficient in me opinion. >> >> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Tony Olendo < teeolendo@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> I think this is a wonderful idea… May be even develop a framework for >>> skunks to formally address matters in ICT… It’s long overdue and >>> absolutely >>> vital to the dev’t of ICT in Kenya. We must step up to the plate… >>> >>> >>> >>> Tony Olendo >>> >>> > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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~ Alex Carey ~
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participants (7)
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[ Brainiac ] -
amanya -
Barrack Otieno -
David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd -
Jacob Odada -
Peter Osotsi -
Tony Olendo