Clearly this is a huge opportunity for someone to take up the challenge and set up one. Any takers? On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:

What worries me more is the data centre map. http://www.datacentermap.com/

What exactly is happening in Africa? You mean in Kenya we don't even have Tier 2 data centers?

That should not be an issue. You will not put the container on a road reserve. But the issue here is the general lack of data centers in sub saharan Africa. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Daniel Ndeti <dantoz@gmail.com> wrote:

Let me be the devils advocate,with the bylaws barring containers in Nairobi, how secure will be this containers from the prying eye of kanjoz?

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 17:56, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:

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Clearly this is a huge opportunity for someone to take up the challenge and set up one. Any takers?

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:

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What worries me more is the data centre map. http://www.datacentermap.com/

What exactly is happening in Africa? You mean in Kenya we don't even have Tier 2 data centers?

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I disagree. There is a lot of data many business generate that is an opportunity for a savvy backup company to monetize. Besides emails databases, application databases, document management system data, etc. I'm sure most of us backup to external hard disks (if at all) and carry the same to some other location by car. I've even seen some institutions backing up data to a different partition on the same hard disk! On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:

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That should not be an issue. You will not put the container on a road reserve. But the issue here is the general lack of data centers in sub saharan Africa.

Much as I agree with you, a more pertinent question is whether we have data to justify this... Most business are not plugged in, along with individuals, the purpose of such a datacenter will be mainly to host email...

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KDN is doing just that. Setting up a Tier4 Data Center - An entire building and not a container as is shown in this excerpt is in the works....and should be up and running soonest we can achieve it. There is definitely a need for one in Kenya/East and Sub-Saharan Africa. Rgds, Dan O.Kwach, Kenya Data Networks. -----Original Message----- From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Rad! Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 5:56 PM To: Skunkworks Forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Data Center Containers Clearly this is a huge opportunity for someone to take up the challenge and set up one. Any takers? On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:

What worries me more is the data centre map. http://www.datacentermap.com/

What exactly is happening in Africa? You mean in Kenya we don't even have Tier 2 data centers?

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The article that pointed me to the datacentermap.com link has crunched the numbers and painted a very disturbing picture: "Mapping Africa's Datacenters": http://subsaharska.maneno.org/eng/articles/tkn1246051335/ This link below is also quite interesting. KENIC/KIXP ppl on the list, what's your take on it? "Why IPv4 Screwed sub-Saharan Africa": http://subsaharska.maneno.org/eng/articles/ckg1256042642/ saidi PS I swear if I had a million dollars as spare change I'd buy myself the Silicon Systems container, just for how it looks. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:

What worries me more is the data centre map. http://www.datacentermap.com/

What exactly is happening in Africa? You mean in Kenya we don't even have Tier 2 data centers?

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:24 AM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:

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Somebody please install one of these in Nairobi (I hear Google has something in the works). http://www.datacentermap.com/blog/datacenter-container-55.html Saidi _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general

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Mich, interesting thoughts. Question is why? I think we're not hungry enough for change. If we were we wouldn't be having this discussion. Truly hungry people change the world, apparently-hungry people talk about changing the world. saidi On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Michuki Mwangi <michuki.mwangi@gmail.com>wrote:

Hi Saidi,

saidimu apale wrote:

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This link below is also quite interesting. KENIC/KIXP ppl on the list, what's your take on it?

"Why IPv4 Screwed sub-Saharan Africa": http://subsaharska.maneno.org/eng/articles/ckg1256042642/

The writer has a very one sided view of the issue;

The bottom line, Africa has very slow growth when it comes to IPv4 address space consumption. For instance of all the address space allocated to AfriNIC - only 32% has been issued out.

Africa consumes about 1/8 every 1.5 years compared to about 2/8's every year in Asia.

The facts are;

1) IP addresses are not given out - they are requested for.

2) In Africa we prefer to NAT and use our upstreams IPv4 addresses and not get our own. Each time we change providers we have to renumber our networks to the new address blocks.

3) Its a high time we requested for Provider Independent space.

4) South Africa is one of the few countries that have been ahead of the pack in applying for IPv4 space.

5) The writer has ignored the legacy issues behind the initial allocations made before the Internet has any formal governance structures in place. It would be good to appreciate the evolution and whats been done thus far to address the legacy allocations.

6) AfriNIC is giving IPv6 space for free and its for each operator to go and get the address space now and use this opportunity to gain operational experience.

This article has too many assumptions and very little facts to support it either.

Africa's late entrance and slow growth of the Internet space is the main reasons why we have not fully taken up the IPv4 space.

Asia (mostly China) and Latin America (Latam) who came much later after the Americas and Europe have caught on alot better than we have. Question is why?

Cheers,

Mich

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