Uninstalling LAMP from UBUNTU 11.10
Hello, I have been trying to remove the aforementioned package but rather unsuccessful. Anyone who has leads on how to go about this or an option to repair it? Thanks in advance. //Stephen ** My Blog <http://uwanja.wordpress.com> | @uwanja <https://twitter.com/#%21/uwanja>| Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/swanjau> |
Repair? Actually, LAMP is not a single application. It's several applications cobbled together for ease of installation. What you need to do is simply read the error log you are encountering and address the cause. Uninstall? Ubuntu has a package manager that you can use to install/uninstall, I believe. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 07:22, stephen wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I have been trying to remove the aforementioned package but rather unsuccessful.
Anyone who has leads on how to go about this or an option to repair it?
Thanks in advance.
//Stephen **
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@Wanjau, this is a light-hearted comment from me. Your question is the reason why its preferable to be a Gardener or a wheeler dealer selling peremendes/products than a tech person. I wish I could help, unfortunately I don't use technologies that I have no understanding of. In my recent flight somewhere, I got into an interesting conversation with a passenger who was seated next to me. He said his 10 year old does web design for his school, so he could not see why he would pay anyone to do such. I think a lot of 1st World 10 year olds would thrash our 3rd World Web Design professionals. Why? Because they have one thing in common : Both use templates. Rgds. :-) On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:22 AM, stephen wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello,
I have been trying to remove the aforementioned package but rather unsuccessful.
Anyone who has leads on how to go about this or an option to repair it?
Thanks in advance.
//Stephen **
Hmmm, I beg to differ that answered the question. Basically a point was missed On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:50 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wanjau, this is a light-hearted comment from me. Your question is the reason why its preferable to be a Gardener or a wheeler dealer selling peremendes/products than a tech person. I wish I could help, unfortunately I don't use technologies that I have no understanding of. In my recent flight somewhere, I got into an interesting conversation with a passenger who was seated next to me. He said his 10 year old does web design for his school, so he could not see why he would pay anyone to do such. I think a lot of 1st World 10 year olds would thrash our 3rd World Web Design professionals. Why? Because they have one thing in common : Both use templates.
Rgds. :-)
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:22 AM, stephen wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello,
I have been trying to remove the aforementioned package but rather unsuccessful.
Anyone who has leads on how to go about this or an option to repair it?
Thanks in advance.
//Stephen **
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@Aki, I believe a good response wouldve been like from @Odhiambo "Repair? Actually, LAMP is not a single application. It's several applications cobbled together for ease of installation. What you need to do is simply read the error log you are encountering and address the cause. Uninstall? Ubuntu has a package manager that you can use to install/uninstall, I believe." You never know who you will meet and you never know what they know that you dont On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:56 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi @Paul, pls beg to differ then. :-)
Rgds.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmmm,
I beg to differ that answered the question. Basically a point was missed
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@Paul, its really very simple. If people want to use technologies, then they must also take the initiative to learn them. Its not a matter of whom I'll meet and what they know, I'm sure everyone is good at economics and developing business plans to match the demand supplies situation or other things too, the tech world is very different. Its time we really became a bit harsh with the realities on the ground. Rgds. :-) On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki,
I believe a good response wouldve been like from @Odhiambo
"Repair? Actually, LAMP is not a single application. It's several applications cobbled together for ease of installation. What you need to do is simply read the error log you are encountering and address the cause. Uninstall? Ubuntu has a package manager that you can use to install/uninstall, I believe."
You never know who you will meet and you never know what they know that you dont
@Aki, True story, but we must also take into account some peeps were born in the late 90's and early 20's where such tech was only copy paste and/or sudo apt get On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:06 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Paul, its really very simple. If people want to use technologies, then they must also take the initiative to learn them. Its not a matter of whom I'll meet and what they know, I'm sure everyone is good at economics and developing business plans to match the demand supplies situation or other things too, the tech world is very different. Its time we really became a bit harsh with the realities on the ground.
Rgds. :-)
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki,
I believe a good response wouldve been like from @Odhiambo
"Repair? Actually, LAMP is not a single application. It's several applications cobbled together for ease of installation. What you need to do is simply read the error log you are encountering and address the cause. Uninstall? Ubuntu has a package manager that you can use to install/uninstall, I believe."
You never know who you will meet and you never know what they know that you dont
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@Aki is in "bash" mode these days. He must have eaten too much pepper:) On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 08:08, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki, True story, but we must also take into account some peeps were born in the late 90's and early 20's where such tech was only copy paste and/or sudo apt get
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:06 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Paul, its really very simple. If people want to use technologies, then they must also take the initiative to learn them. Its not a matter of whom I'll meet and what they know, I'm sure everyone is good at economics and developing business plans to match the demand supplies situation or other things too, the tech world is very different. Its time we really became a bit harsh with the realities on the ground.
Rgds. :-)
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki,
I believe a good response wouldve been like from @Odhiambo
"Repair? Actually, LAMP is not a single application. It's several applications cobbled together for ease of installation. What you need to do is simply read the error log you are encountering and address the cause. Uninstall? Ubuntu has a package manager that you can use to install/uninstall, I believe."
You never know who you will meet and you never know what they know that you dont
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@Paul, IMHO. In my generation if we had all the free and loan computers, cheap internet, better infrastructure, mobile networks and phones am sure we would have made significant changes. In 1987 i bought the IBM PC which was like buying a car. These newer generations have it all yet cannot produce an iota of a single of a difference. If what is there today in the KE ICT sector as has been achieved by the PS, KICTB, Min of InfoCom was there in the 80s, can you just imagine what would have been achieved? At those times we were running token ring networks, nowadays its the total no fools guess ethernet. I surely look down at the newer generations, they are nothing more than pre-programmed end users. @Wash, hahaha.. :-) Rgds. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:08 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki, True story, but we must also take into account some peeps were born in the late 90's and early 20's where such tech was only copy paste and/or sudo apt get
Hello, I am actually moving to open source, because it rocks and rocks are free.Am a newbie at open source and this mailing list so to say. Though some comments sounded kind of harsh I finally got my way around this having taken @Odhiambo's advice. If we keep looking down at generations just because tech solutions are all over the place and cheaper, then our fathers will boast that they went through school without Google and Wikipedia. That way we would be sitting on a rocking-chair, keeping ourselves busy but going nowhere. I appreciate your advice though. Have a good day. //Stephen On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:18 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Paul, IMHO. In my generation if we had all the free and loan computers, cheap internet, better infrastructure, mobile networks and phones am sure we would have made significant changes. In 1987 i bought the IBM PC which was like buying a car. These newer generations have it all yet cannot produce an iota of a single of a difference. If what is there today in the KE ICT sector as has been achieved by the PS, KICTB, Min of InfoCom was there in the 80s, can you just imagine what would have been achieved? At those times we were running token ring networks, nowadays its the total no fools guess ethernet. I surely look down at the newer generations, they are nothing more than pre-programmed end users.
@Wash, hahaha.. :-)
Rgds.
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@Aki, True story, but we must also take into account some peeps were born in the late 90's and early 20's where such tech was only copy paste and/or sudo apt get
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LAMP has documentatio on uninstalling ,but its mostly deleting the folder. On Linux though , it is better to install the separate apps from their distribution packages. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: stephen wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 09:24:59 To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Uninstalling LAMP from UBUNTU 11.10 _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
On 16 February 2012 09:34, <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
LAMP has documentatio on uninstalling ,but its mostly deleting the folder.
No you cannot do that. Except for FreeBSD's portage system which installs an app in its own folder (correct me if i'm wrong) the way you are saying, the rest of he package managers distribute files between /bin, /sbin, /usr/sbin, /usr/local, /usr/lib, /usr/share and a whole lot of other locations no sane human can keep track of. The only right way to uninstall the lamp stack on Ubuntu would be via the nice GUI package manager or using apt, aptitude and (for the ambitious) dpkg. This way, Steve will not be dogged with inconsistencies and un-resolvable dependencies the next time he is installing anything else using his package manager. Speaking of which, how did you install it in the first place ? Just to be a bit more helpful, Steve try the following on a command line : $ sudo apt-get remove apache2 php5 mysql-server as an alternative, this may also work. proceed with caution though $ sudo apt-get remove lamp-server Personally, I usually install my lamp stack from source to /opt/lamp . This is easier to move around to another machine and i do not have to remember to go sijui-wapi to configure this or that. It takes a while to get it right, but the process is a whole lot more fun than it sounds :-) -- Ndungi Kyalo neno.co.ke ~ Your word O Lord, lights my path.
@Wanjau, I'm glad you did not take any offence to my comments :-) On the other hand no one on this list is even telling you the truth. If I were you, I'd pass on the Operating Systems silly-ness na utoto and do something better with your valuable time, brilliant mind and energy. Operating Systems will take you no where. @Martin had suggested the Django framework, move in this direction and Open Source will give you its benefits. Rgds. :-) On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:24 AM, stephen wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello,
I am actually moving to open source, because it rocks and rocks are free.Am a newbie at open source and this mailing list so to say. Though some comments sounded kind of harsh I finally got my way around this having taken @Odhiambo's advice.
If we keep looking down at generations just because tech solutions are all over the place and cheaper, then our fathers will boast that they went through school without Google and Wikipedia. That way we would be sitting on a rocking-chair, keeping ourselves busy but going nowhere.
I appreciate your advice though.
Have a good day.
//Stephen
@Wanjau, Look at this way. All these Open Source people are basically marketing to you. They are trying to sell your an idea so that their vested interests and so called coverage can increase. Now am going to further challenge you, consider this : Open Source Operating Systems : - They will teach you nothing - They will teach you shorcuts - They will create a brain-dead syndrome, as is so typical - They will not further improve your knowledge - Whenever you have problems, they will refer you to Google - When the next releases happen, things will not work properly - They will kill your creative side - You will not be able to use hardware when its released In comparison, please ask the Open Source users in KE to list to you the achievements done locally on Open Source Operating System. Besides the FREENESS, there are no other benefits IMHO. Moving to Open Source e.g Django: - The world of creativity is at your doorstep - Each Year KICTB gives you the chance to take your ideas to the next level. Funding - You don't need to buy databases - You are the master of your destiny. - You will probably become the next president and take poverty and lack of funding into low overheads development sector, thus enable millions to change their lives. I want you to do the right thing, take the Open Source factor and do something with it. Not use it as a mal-functioning typewriter. Rgds. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:28 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wanjau,
I'm glad you did not take any offence to my comments :-)
On the other hand no one on this list is even telling you the truth. If I were you, I'd pass on the Operating Systems silly-ness na utoto and do something better with your valuable time, brilliant mind and energy. Operating Systems will take you no where. @Martin had suggested the Django framework, move in this direction and Open Source will give you its benefits.
Rgds. :-)
Just to chip in some contribution here, sorry if am missing a point or not giving a direct (perhaps helpful?) answer to the original poster :) I recently had to deploy a site but because of budgetary constraints or rather what was available to us maybe at low cost (better economic sense) was the Amazon Web services (the EC^2 cloud). At first I was rather sceptical of the infrastructure since all your are given is access to one instance of whatever O.S you prefer (Linux, Windows, *BSD, Ms DOS :D) that you can log on to remotely (ssh, telnet, etc). What I found installed was the host language in which the site was going to run on, which is setup by default anyway. The rest of the components needed had to be figured out all from scratch. To cut a long story short, the native package manager (yum that is) on the distro proved to be more than a helpful tool in getting all the pieces together. I found the experience to be truly unique and highly enjoyable despite the fact that previously I have had no pain with deploying apps using hosts with pre-packaged services Am just saying this simply because someone mentioned performing installations from source. And the O.P has problems un-installing components he does not need from his box :D BTW: The Amazon Web services are rather more affordable than traditional hosting, really flexible and perhaps more fun to use SO LONG AS you are pretty comfortable with your platform of choice (Linux/UNIX, Apache, Engine-X (ngingx), PHP / PERL, etc). Try it! Martin.
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@ Welcome to the opensource ,i am glad you got sorted ,now had similar problem while in the 'fields' and the best approach to install them as different packages ,infuture maybe i would advice you to direct matters linux to a very active group of Linux users/Linux admins on our facebook Linux user group ,there we would work handle matters much much better, rgds Bruce, On 2/16/12, dmbuvi@gmail.com <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
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I second tht..instead of getting bashed for asking LINUX related assistance/question here..join Linux Admins/Users group on facebook and post all kind of questions,,assistance requests without fear of being bashed. On tht group you will get proffessional advices and assistances. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM, BRANTON OBWARI <bruceobwari@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Welcome to the opensource ,i am glad you got sorted ,now had similar problem while in the 'fields' and the best approach to install them as different packages ,infuture maybe i would advice you to direct matters linux to a very active group of Linux users/Linux admins on our facebook Linux user group ,there we would work handle matters much much better,
rgds
Bruce,
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To be specific here is the link.. https://www.facebook.com/groups/259488554086955/ On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:26 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
I second tht..instead of getting bashed for asking LINUX related assistance/question here..join Linux Admins/Users group on facebook and post all kind of questions,,assistance requests without fear of being bashed. On tht group you will get proffessional advices and assistances.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM, BRANTON OBWARI <bruceobwari@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Welcome to the opensource ,i am glad you got sorted ,now had similar problem while in the 'fields' and the best approach to install them as different packages ,infuture maybe i would advice you to direct matters linux to a very active group of Linux users/Linux admins on our facebook Linux user group ,there we would work handle matters much much better,
rgds
Bruce,
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The jury is still out on whether Amazon web servers are cheaper than VPS , unless on processor intensive tasks,or traffic spikes Sent from my BlackBerry®
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@Stephen If you installed the pre-packaged LAMP as opposed to Apache then MySQL then PHP,it was installed on an slightly different way than you could be used to.This normally goes on the directory /opt/lamp .The way to remove it would be to delete that directory i.e sudo rm -fr /opt/lamp and you are good to go!In my experience,installing the separate packages individually would give you more flexibility - you can leave LAMP to college students learning how to write Html codes! :) @everyone_else Anyone who bashes open source is either misinformed or just being special(noun. a crazy person.Example in a sentence,Special school).Unless you just landed from a 10-year trip to Mars,you do know Google,Facebook,Yahoo and Amazon(just to name a few) were all built on Open Source products.The US military,Russian Government,Indian Government e.t.c all run Open Source products.Closer home,John Gitau stated on this list that he designed systems for a large ISP almost entirely based on Open Source products(excluding the networking gear).I know Open Source installations that have been running longer than my career has spanned...silently and with power in those dark D.C rooms.What more evidence do you want?Would you like us to turn water into wine for you to believe us?For someone to say that the reason why companies cannot maintain a 99.999999 up-time is because of Open Source software would be tantamount to blaming the President and Prime Minister for the hot weather we are experiencing in Nairobi - totally baseless! The same person bashing Open Source is the same person bashing people born at a certain time.As to that,I would advice you to get back to us when you have serious matters to talk about,our generation was taught to ignore people who want to argue for the sake of it! :) On 16 February 2012 10:32, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
To be specific here is the link..
https://www.facebook.com/groups/259488554086955/
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:26 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
I second tht..instead of getting bashed for asking LINUX related assistance/question here..join Linux Admins/Users group on facebook and post all kind of questions,,assistance requests without fear of being bashed. On tht group you will get proffessional advices and assistances.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM, BRANTON OBWARI <bruceobwari@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Welcome to the opensource ,i am glad you got sorted ,now had similar problem while in the 'fields' and the best approach to install them as different packages ,infuture maybe i would advice you to direct matters linux to a very active group of Linux users/Linux admins on our facebook Linux user group ,there we would work handle matters much much better,
rgds
Bruce,
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TooMuchTextException On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
@Stephen
If you installed the pre-packaged LAMP as opposed to Apache then MySQL then PHP,it was installed on an slightly different way than you could be used to.This normally goes on the directory /opt/lamp .The way to remove it would be to delete that directory i.e sudo rm -fr /opt/lamp and you are good to go!In my experience,installing the separate packages individually would give you more flexibility - you can leave LAMP to college students learning how to write Html codes! :)
@everyone_else
Anyone who bashes open source is either misinformed or just being special(noun. a crazy person.Example in a sentence,Special school).Unless you just landed from a 10-year trip to Mars,you do know Google,Facebook,Yahoo and Amazon(just to name a few) were all built on Open Source products.The US military,Russian Government,Indian Government e.t.c all run Open Source products.Closer home,John Gitau stated on this list that he designed systems for a large ISP almost entirely based on Open Source products(excluding the networking gear).I know Open Source installations that have been running longer than my career has spanned...silently and with power in those dark D.C rooms.What more evidence do you want?Would you like us to turn water into wine for you to believe us?For someone to say that the reason why companies cannot maintain a 99.999999 up-time is because of Open Source software would be tantamount to blaming the President and Prime Minister for the hot weather we are experiencing in Nairobi - totally baseless! The same person bashing Open Source is the same person bashing people born at a certain time.As to that,I would advice you to get back to us when you have serious matters to talk about,our generation was taught to ignore people who want to argue for the sake of it! :)
On 16 February 2012 10:32, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
To be specific here is the link..
https://www.facebook.com/groups/259488554086955/
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:26 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
I second tht..instead of getting bashed for asking LINUX related assistance/question here..join Linux Admins/Users group on facebook and post all kind of questions,,assistance requests without fear of being bashed. On tht group you will get proffessional advices and assistances.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM, BRANTON OBWARI <bruceobwari@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Welcome to the opensource ,i am glad you got sorted ,now had similar problem while in the 'fields' and the best approach to install them as different packages ,infuture maybe i would advice you to direct matters linux to a very active group of Linux users/Linux admins on our facebook Linux user group ,there we would work handle matters much much better,
rgds
Bruce,
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@Moses, Google, Facebook running on Open Source is an achievement and probably a marketing self-denial strategy used to justify ones ignorance that YOU played not a SINGLE PART in it. All you did was become the end user who bought into the idea that its free and can run services. So you know how to configure a mail server or a proxy? How does this fit into Vision 2030 ICT then. Rgds. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
@everyone_else
Anyone who bashes open source is either misinformed or just being special(noun. a crazy person.Example in a sentence,Special school).Unless you just landed from a 10-year trip to Mars,you do know Google,Facebook,Yahoo and Amazon(just to name a few) were all built on Open Source products.The US military,Russian Government,Indian Government e.t.c all run Open Source products.Closer home,John Gitau stated on this list that he designed systems for a large ISP almost entirely based on Open Source products(excluding the networking gear).I know Open Source installations that have been running longer than my career has spanned...silently and with power in those dark D.C rooms.What more evidence do you want?Would you like us to turn water into wine for you to believe us?For someone to say that the reason why companies cannot maintain a 99.999999 up-time is because of Open Source software would be tantamount to blaming the President and Prime Minister for the hot weather we are experiencing in Nairobi - totally baseless! The same person bashing Open Source is the same person bashing people born at a certain time.As to that,I would advice you to get back to us when you have serious matters to talk about,our generation was taught to ignore people who want to argue for the sake of it! :)
I have appended my answers to your questions in bold. Google, Facebook running on Open Source is an achievement and probably a marketing self-denial strategy used to justify ones ignorance that YOU played not a SINGLE PART in it -- *I was giving examples where Open Source has worked perfectly.I am not marketing anything and neither i'm i taking responsibility for their sucess,it is your right to ignore something that is before your eyes.* . All you did was become the end user who bought into the idea that its free and can run services. *-- all I did was to subscribe to systems that worked the way I wanted/expected them to..just like Open Source is wont to,* So you know how to configure a mail server or a proxy? How does this fit into Vision 2030 ICT then. *-- **If you have been following any news in Kenya,you will understand that ICT will play a very big role in the achievement of Vision 2030.** Vision 2030 is a but a blue print,just like an architectural drawing,it is useless if we will not have people to implement what has been proposed in it.I do not know about you,but I am one of the implementors! :)* On 16 February 2012 11:35, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Moses,
Google, Facebook running on Open Source is an achievement and probably a marketing self-denial strategy used to justify ones ignorance that YOU played not a SINGLE PART in it. All you did was become the end user who bought into the idea that its free and can run services. So you know how to configure a mail server or a proxy? How does this fit into Vision 2030 ICT then.
Rgds.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
@everyone_else
Anyone who bashes open source is either misinformed or just being special(noun. a crazy person.Example in a sentence,Special school).Unless you just landed from a 10-year trip to Mars,you do know Google,Facebook,Yahoo and Amazon(just to name a few) were all built on Open Source products.The US military,Russian Government,Indian Government e.t.c all run Open Source products.Closer home,John Gitau stated on this list that he designed systems for a large ISP almost entirely based on Open Source products(excluding the networking gear).I know Open Source installations that have been running longer than my career has spanned...silently and with power in those dark D.C rooms.What more evidence do you want?Would you like us to turn water into wine for you to believe us?For someone to say that the reason why companies cannot maintain a 99.999999 up-time is because of Open Source software would be tantamount to blaming the President and Prime Minister for the hot weather we are experiencing in Nairobi - totally baseless! The same person bashing Open Source is the same person bashing people born at a certain time.As to that,I would advice you to get back to us when you have serious matters to talk about,our generation was taught to ignore people who want to argue for the sake of it! :)
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@Moses, take a deer breath and re-think your posting. Take yourself away from all the devices and imagine that none of them existed. There lies our Vision 2030 ICT, not sales of computers, hardware, consultancies etc. Consider this that while you hate me for posting realities here, you are refusing to acknowledge that we are not moving forward in ICT. When the Vision and Infrastructure match, e.g ICT Cities we are going to need not just people who can configure devices because of fiber connectivity all this can be done remotely but need people who can turn around into specialised skills, industries and companies. When Kenya has received the attention as a future Silicon Valley type, we have much to do. And the good thing is the time is now not tomorrow, no one needs to wait a number of years. Thus my comparison is based on such and also the problem I have with the current generations. I see it so clearly, am surprised that many have not seen what is coming KE's way. Mega Change in the ICT sector. Just look at the word innovation, I hear even Kenyatta Uni has its own centre now. Relax, I ain't your enemy. Lack of progress is mine and your enemy. Rgds. :-) On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
I have appended my answers to your questions in bold.
Google, Facebook running on Open Source is an achievement and probably a marketing self-denial strategy used to justify ones ignorance that YOU played not a SINGLE PART in it -- *I was giving examples where Open Source has worked perfectly.I am not marketing anything and neither i'm i taking responsibility for their sucess,it is your right to ignore something that is before your eyes.*
. All you did was become the end user who bought into the idea that its free and can run services. *-- all I did was to subscribe to systems that worked the way I wanted/expected them to..just like Open Source is wont to, *
So you know how to configure a mail server or a proxy? How does this fit into Vision 2030 ICT then. *-- **If you have been following any news in Kenya,you will understand that ICT will play a very big role in the achievement of Vision 2030.** Vision 2030 is a but a blue print,just like an architectural drawing,it is useless if we will not have people to implement what has been proposed in it.I do not know about you,but I am one of the implementors! :)*
Absolutely true!You see,when you are not bashing this group or the other just for the sake of argument,I'm likely to agree with you! :) As you have clearly put " ...Lack of progress is mine and your enemy..." I'm out! On 16 February 2012 12:01, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Moses, take a deer breath and re-think your posting. Take yourself away from all the devices and imagine that none of them existed. There lies our Vision 2030 ICT, not sales of computers, hardware, consultancies etc. Consider this that while you hate me for posting realities here, you are refusing to acknowledge that we are not moving forward in ICT. When the Vision and Infrastructure match, e.g ICT Cities we are going to need not just people who can configure devices because of fiber connectivity all this can be done remotely but need people who can turn around into specialised skills, industries and companies. When Kenya has received the attention as a future Silicon Valley type, we have much to do. And the good thing is the time is now not tomorrow, no one needs to wait a number of years. Thus my comparison is based on such and also the problem I have with the current generations. I see it so clearly, am surprised that many have not seen what is coming KE's way. Mega Change in the ICT sector. Just look at the word innovation, I hear even Kenyatta Uni has its own centre now.
Relax, I ain't your enemy. Lack of progress is mine and your enemy.
Rgds. :-)
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
I have appended my answers to your questions in bold.
Google, Facebook running on Open Source is an achievement and probably a marketing self-denial strategy used to justify ones ignorance that YOU played not a SINGLE PART in it -- *I was giving examples where Open Source has worked perfectly.I am not marketing anything and neither i'm i taking responsibility for their sucess,it is your right to ignore something that is before your eyes.*
. All you did was become the end user who bought into the idea that its free and can run services. *-- all I did was to subscribe to systems that worked the way I wanted/expected them to..just like Open Source is wont to,*
So you know how to configure a mail server or a proxy? How does this fit into Vision 2030 ICT then. *-- **If you have been following any news in Kenya,you will understand that ICT will play a very big role in the achievement of Vision 2030.** Vision 2030 is a but a blue print,just like an architectural drawing,it is useless if we will not have people to implement what has been proposed in it.I do not know about you,but I am one of the implementors! :)*
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@Moses, am not a troll or spite Operating Systems or the rest. All I see clearly is what is not happening and have to type in as is. However we must take the fight to all technologists to see the clear picture as its been painted for a few years now. This thread started off with someone asking help on an Operating System which has no benefit to the economy in many ways. Consider this and if you understand where KE came from the last 20 years or so, the time is now and the future. The tech infrastructure is almost falling into place, but we are unable to occupy it because the current situation is that e.g Open Source has become like the "Off the Shelf" product and marketing is done accordingly, meaning quick fixes. Maybe I don't get it, but I don't see how we are going to do anything at all when most continents have produced their own versions of Open Source systems that suited their environments. Take Brazil as an example. This localisation has produced an active tech sector that many companies are involved in and are outsourcing skills learnt to other countries. And here we are, a major ICT country in our region and we are only capable of the usual petty self-inflicted consumerism stuff. Rgds. :-) On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
Absolutely true!You see,when you are not bashing this group or the other just for the sake of argument,I'm likely to agree with you! :) As you have clearly put " ...Lack of progress is mine and your enemy..." I'm out!
@Aki since you called me a heckler,,what have you done that you can show? rather than make alot of noisy and bashing on this Mlist Do something abt those faults tht u always claim to see all the time. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:37 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Moses, am not a troll or spite Operating Systems or the rest. All I see clearly is what is not happening and have to type in as is. However we must take the fight to all technologists to see the clear picture as its been painted for a few years now. This thread started off with someone asking help on an Operating System which has no benefit to the economy in many ways. Consider this and if you understand where KE came from the last 20 years or so, the time is now and the future. The tech infrastructure is almost falling into place, but we are unable to occupy it because the current situation is that e.g Open Source has become like the "Off the Shelf" product and marketing is done accordingly, meaning quick fixes. Maybe I don't get it, but I don't see how we are going to do anything at all when most continents have produced their own versions of Open Source systems that suited their environments. Take Brazil as an example. This localisation has produced an active tech sector that many companies are involved in and are outsourcing skills learnt to other countries. And here we are, a major ICT country in our region and we are only capable of the usual petty self-inflicted consumerism stuff.
Rgds. :-)
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
Absolutely true!You see,when you are not bashing this group or the other just for the sake of argument,I'm likely to agree with you! :) As you have clearly put " ...Lack of progress is mine and your enemy..." I'm out!
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@Maina, I could show you the payroll I did in basic e.g line10, line20 etc in 1989. Wish KICTB was around then with the grants, my payroll was very colourful and would have done well. :-)))) Seriously, I'm trying to do something including re-visting learning programming at my age. They say learning programming at this age is futile attempt and I tend to agree, however I disagree with the experts and will continue until I can actually do something with it. Give me a couple of few years and then we will talk on what can be achieved. Sawa? Rgds. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:43 PM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki since you called me a heckler,,what have you done that you can show? rather than make alot of noisy and bashing on this Mlist
Do something abt those faults tht u always claim to see all the time.
@Aki Obviously we have veered off the original post but I guess these are valid point being raised here. These 'small' I.T aspects have more effects than you would imagine.Without Operating Systems there CANNOT be any Information Technology.Case closed! :) My second point is where I know I will attract all manner of bashing and insults without measure,but I am a courageous man.You see,as Kenyans,we are not yet as innovative as we should be or have imagined - myself included.Any time someone asks about Kenyan tech innovations,we are quick to mention Mpesa.Tell me something my dear country men and women,who lied to you that Mpesa is a Kenyan innovation?Do you know 5 Kenyan programmers who were involved in the active design and development of the Mpesa system?Five might be a very high number,mention two names.Do you know who owns the intellectual property to Mpesa?If your answer is Safaricom,you are wrong again!Claiming that Mpesa is a Kenyan innovation is the same as saying Microsoft Word was built by Kenyans simply because it has been very successful here!Heck,the system is not even hosted in Kenya!The ONLY system built by Kenyans which has been used the world over is Ushahidi.Ask me to mention at least one Kenyan who did it and I will mention the entire lot - Erick Hersman,Juliana Rotich and David Kobia.See? I am hopeful that in the very near future,we will start seeing systems made in Kenya being used at least to solve some of our many problems and then some of the world's! #signing_out On 16 February 2012 12:43, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki since you called me a heckler,,what have you done that you can show? rather than make alot of noisy and bashing on this Mlist
Do something abt those faults tht u always claim to see all the time.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:37 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Moses, am not a troll or spite Operating Systems or the rest. All I see clearly is what is not happening and have to type in as is. However we must take the fight to all technologists to see the clear picture as its been painted for a few years now. This thread started off with someone asking help on an Operating System which has no benefit to the economy in many ways. Consider this and if you understand where KE came from the last 20 years or so, the time is now and the future. The tech infrastructure is almost falling into place, but we are unable to occupy it because the current situation is that e.g Open Source has become like the "Off the Shelf" product and marketing is done accordingly, meaning quick fixes. Maybe I don't get it, but I don't see how we are going to do anything at all when most continents have produced their own versions of Open Source systems that suited their environments. Take Brazil as an example. This localisation has produced an active tech sector that many companies are involved in and are outsourcing skills learnt to other countries. And here we are, a major ICT country in our region and we are only capable of the usual petty self-inflicted consumerism stuff.
Rgds. :-)
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
Absolutely true!You see,when you are not bashing this group or the other just for the sake of argument,I'm likely to agree with you! :) As you
have
clearly put " ...Lack of progress is mine and your enemy..." I'm out!
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CLAP...CLAP..CLAP..STANDING OVATION.. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
@Stephen
If you installed the pre-packaged LAMP as opposed to Apache then MySQL then PHP,it was installed on an slightly different way than you could be used to.This normally goes on the directory /opt/lamp .The way to remove it would be to delete that directory i.e sudo rm -fr /opt/lamp and you are good to go!In my experience,installing the separate packages individually would give you more flexibility - you can leave LAMP to college students learning how to write Html codes! :)
@everyone_else
Anyone who bashes open source is either misinformed or just being special(noun. a crazy person.Example in a sentence,Special school).Unless you just landed from a 10-year trip to Mars,you do know Google,Facebook,Yahoo and Amazon(just to name a few) were all built on Open Source products.The US military,Russian Government,Indian Government e.t.c all run Open Source products.Closer home,John Gitau stated on this list that he designed systems for a large ISP almost entirely based on Open Source products(excluding the networking gear).I know Open Source installations that have been running longer than my career has spanned...silently and with power in those dark D.C rooms.What more evidence do you want?Would you like us to turn water into wine for you to believe us?For someone to say that the reason why companies cannot maintain a 99.999999 up-time is because of Open Source software would be tantamount to blaming the President and Prime Minister for the hot weather we are experiencing in Nairobi - totally baseless! The same person bashing Open Source is the same person bashing people born at a certain time.As to that,I would advice you to get back to us when you have serious matters to talk about,our generation was taught to ignore people who want to argue for the sake of it! :)
On 16 February 2012 10:32, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
To be specific here is the link..
https://www.facebook.com/groups/259488554086955/
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:26 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
I second tht..instead of getting bashed for asking LINUX related assistance/question here..join Linux Admins/Users group on facebook and post all kind of questions,,assistance requests without fear of being bashed. On tht group you will get proffessional advices and assistances.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM, BRANTON OBWARI <bruceobwari@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Welcome to the opensource ,i am glad you got sorted ,now had similar problem while in the 'fields' and the best approach to install them as different packages ,infuture maybe i would advice you to direct matters linux to a very active group of Linux users/Linux admins on our facebook Linux user group ,there we would work handle matters much much better,
rgds
Bruce,
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I wonder what open source did to some of us here,,to warrant all tht bashing..hehe.! On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:40 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
CLAP...CLAP..CLAP..STANDING OVATION..
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
@Stephen
If you installed the pre-packaged LAMP as opposed to Apache then MySQL then PHP,it was installed on an slightly different way than you could be used to.This normally goes on the directory /opt/lamp .The way to remove it would be to delete that directory i.e sudo rm -fr /opt/lamp and you are good to go!In my experience,installing the separate packages individually would give you more flexibility - you can leave LAMP to college students learning how to write Html codes! :)
@everyone_else
Anyone who bashes open source is either misinformed or just being special(noun. a crazy person.Example in a sentence,Special school).Unless you just landed from a 10-year trip to Mars,you do know Google,Facebook,Yahoo and Amazon(just to name a few) were all built on Open Source products.The US military,Russian Government,Indian Government e.t.c all run Open Source products.Closer home,John Gitau stated on this list that he designed systems for a large ISP almost entirely based on Open Source products(excluding the networking gear).I know Open Source installations that have been running longer than my career has spanned...silently and with power in those dark D.C rooms.What more evidence do you want?Would you like us to turn water into wine for you to believe us?For someone to say that the reason why companies cannot maintain a 99.999999 up-time is because of Open Source software would be tantamount to blaming the President and Prime Minister for the hot weather we are experiencing in Nairobi - totally baseless! The same person bashing Open Source is the same person bashing people born at a certain time.As to that,I would advice you to get back to us when you have serious matters to talk about,our generation was taught to ignore people who want to argue for the sake of it! :)
On 16 February 2012 10:32, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
To be specific here is the link..
https://www.facebook.com/groups/259488554086955/
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:26 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
I second tht..instead of getting bashed for asking LINUX related assistance/question here..join Linux Admins/Users group on facebook and post all kind of questions,,assistance requests without fear of being bashed. On tht group you will get proffessional advices and assistances.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:11 AM, BRANTON OBWARI <bruceobwari@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Welcome to the opensource ,i am glad you got sorted ,now had similar problem while in the 'fields' and the best approach to install them as different packages ,infuture maybe i would advice you to direct matters linux to a very active group of Linux users/Linux admins on our facebook Linux user group ,there we would work handle matters much much better,
rgds
Bruce,
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The jury is still out on whether Amazon web servers are cheaper than VPS , unless on processor intensive tasks,or traffic spikes Sent from my BlackBerry®
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@Maina, kweli you are a heckler as expected. :-)) Hope you read this too : @Wanjau, Look at this way. All these Open Source people are basically marketing to you. They are trying to sell your an idea so that their vested interests and so called coverage can increase. Now am going to further challenge you, consider this : Open Source Operating Systems : - They will teach you nothing - They will teach you shorcuts - They will create a brain-dead syndrome, as is so typical - They will not further improve your knowledge - Whenever you have problems, they will refer you to Google - When the next releases happen, things will not work properly - They will kill your creative side - You will not be able to use hardware when its released In comparison, please ask the Open Source users in KE to list to you the achievements done locally on Open Source Operating System. Besides the FREENESS, there are no other benefits IMHO. Moving to Open Source e.g Django: - The world of creativity is at your doorstep - Each Year KICTB gives you the chance to take your ideas to the next level. Funding - You don't need to buy databases - You are the master of your destiny. - You will probably become the next president and take poverty and lack of funding into low overheads development sector, thus enable millions to change their lives. I want you to do the right thing, take the Open Source factor and do something with it. Not use it as a mal-functioning typewriter. Rgds. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:43 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
I wonder what open source did to some of us here,,to warrant all tht bashing..hehe.!
This is the reason why I hate such lumped up products - what happened to good old source install of Apache, MySQL & PHP? Sorry I couldn't offer a solution since I believe in sorting a single application with as much scalability & freedom. ./Ok3ch Sent from my iPad On Feb 16, 2012, at 7:53 AM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmmm,
I beg to differ that answered the question. Basically a point was missed
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:50 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote: @Wanjau, this is a light-hearted comment from me. Your question is the reason why its preferable to be a Gardener or a wheeler dealer selling peremendes/products than a tech person. I wish I could help, unfortunately I don't use technologies that I have no understanding of. In my recent flight somewhere, I got into an interesting conversation with a passenger who was seated next to me. He said his 10 year old does web design for his school, so he could not see why he would pay anyone to do such. I think a lot of 1st World 10 year olds would thrash our 3rd World Web Design professionals. Why? Because they have one thing in common : Both use templates.
Rgds. :-)
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:22 AM, stephen wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
I have been trying to remove the aforementioned package but rather unsuccessful.
Anyone who has leads on how to go about this or an option to repair it?
Thanks in advance.
//Stephen
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On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:50 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wanjau, this is a light-hearted comment from me. Your question is the reason why its preferable to be a Gardener or a wheeler dealer selling peremendes/products than a tech person. I wish I could help, unfortunately I don't use technologies that I have no understanding of. In my recent flight
...then why don't you let those who can help do so? Do you have to reply to every post that's got to do with open-source with this tired old drivel? Must we all be as "smart" as you are? Take a cue from most of the list. If you can't give a useful or clueful response, just don't reply at all. <sigh>
Thanks Steve..hes becoming a bore now..he thinks he "knows all",,but for sure he has nothing to show. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:50 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wanjau, this is a light-hearted comment from me. Your question is the reason why its preferable to be a Gardener or a wheeler dealer selling peremendes/products than a tech person. I wish I could help, unfortunately I don't use technologies that I have no understanding of. In my recent flight
...then why don't you let those who can help do so? Do you have to reply to every post that's got to do with open-source with this tired old drivel? Must we all be as "smart" as you are?
Take a cue from most of the list. If you can't give a useful or clueful response, just don't reply at all.
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@Steve, your comments are common trend I've seen with Open Source and they trend so easily. I've never seen Tech people getting so worked up and defensive with passion about something yet they don't share the same passion and drive to do more. It makes no sense to me. Obviously am not aware of why your defensive position, so can only assume that it has something to do with some market sector and my comments don't help. Of course, if you are totally neutral in that you follow/use Open Source purely as a very strong and staunch interest, I must say you are on the wrong side then to not have the same drive as some of us. How can you not see the pitfalls of what is going on in the Opensource/Freeware areas and how this affects e.g. local development. There is something in this Open Source sector that am not aware off and it seems to upset people. It cannot be a sense of strong beliefs or principles because this would have been enough to drive serious progress forward, then why all the defensive posturing? IMHO, you are the "smart" one. :-) Rgds. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:50 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wanjau, this is a light-hearted comment from me. Your question is the reason why its preferable to be a Gardener or a wheeler dealer selling peremendes/products than a tech person. I wish I could help, unfortunately I don't use technologies that I have no understanding of. In my recent flight
...then why don't you let those who can help do so? Do you have to reply to every post that's got to do with open-source with this tired old drivel? Must we all be as "smart" as you are?
Take a cue from most of the list. If you can't give a useful or clueful response, just don't reply at all.
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Hmmm.... and they ask where politicians get their stubbornness from.... On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:11 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Steve, your comments are common trend I've seen with Open Source and they trend so easily. I've never seen Tech people getting so worked up and defensive with passion about something yet they don't share the same passion and drive to do more. It makes no sense to me. Obviously am not aware of why your defensive position, so can only assume that it has something to do with some market sector and my comments don't help. Of course, if you are totally neutral in that you follow/use Open Source purely as a very strong and staunch interest, I must say you are on the wrong side then to not have the same drive as some of us. How can you not see the pitfalls of what is going on in the Opensource/Freeware areas and how this affects e.g. local development. There is something in this Open Source sector that am not aware off and it seems to upset people. It cannot be a sense of strong beliefs or principles because this would have been enough to drive serious progress forward, then why all the defensive posturing? IMHO, you are the "smart" one. :-)
Rgds.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:50 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wanjau, this is a light-hearted comment from me. Your question is the reason why its preferable to be a Gardener or a wheeler dealer selling peremendes/products than a tech person. I wish I could help, unfortunately I don't use technologies that I have no understanding of. In my recent flight
...then why don't you let those who can help do so? Do you have to reply to every post that's got to do with open-source with this tired old drivel? Must we all be as "smart" as you are?
Take a cue from most of the list. If you can't give a useful or clueful response, just don't reply at all.
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@Aki, this might interest you abit..:) Companies adopting the free, open-source Linux operating system are having trouble finding developers and system administrators skilled in Linux, according to a new survey to be released next week. http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/10/linux-popularity-sparks-salary-jump/ On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmmm.... and they ask where politicians get their stubbornness from....
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:11 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Steve, your comments are common trend I've seen with Open Source and they trend so easily. I've never seen Tech people getting so worked up and defensive with passion about something yet they don't share the same passion and drive to do more. It makes no sense to me. Obviously am not aware of why your defensive position, so can only assume that it has something to do with some market sector and my comments don't help. Of course, if you are totally neutral in that you follow/use Open Source purely as a very strong and staunch interest, I must say you are on the wrong side then to not have the same drive as some of us. How can you not see the pitfalls of what is going on in the Opensource/Freeware areas and how this affects e.g. local development. There is something in this Open Source sector that am not aware off and it seems to upset people. It cannot be a sense of strong beliefs or principles because this would have been enough to drive serious progress forward, then why all the defensive posturing? IMHO, you are the "smart" one. :-)
Rgds.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:50 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wanjau, this is a light-hearted comment from me. Your question is the reason why its preferable to be a Gardener or a wheeler dealer selling peremendes/products than a tech person. I wish I could help, unfortunately I don't use technologies that I have no understanding of. In my recent flight
...then why don't you let those who can help do so? Do you have to reply to every post that's got to do with open-source with this tired old drivel? Must we all be as "smart" as you are?
Take a cue from most of the list. If you can't give a useful or clueful response, just don't reply at all.
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@Aki You have said it yourself that our enemy is lack of progress.Even though I prefer Linux/UNIX to Windows and even run various flavours on my PCs,Phone,Servers,Router,e.t.c(if I could,I would run it on my fridge) ,you will find it very interesting that my allegiance is NOT to Linux/UNIX but to WORK BEING DONE!Whenever I come across a need that can be catered for better by Windows,I install that baby with a smile on my face and happy hymns in my heart - for as long as the job gets done! :) I have come across people who work for Microsoft using Apple devices,I have also seen companies like Oracle and Microsoft itself embracing Hadoop,an Open Source product to tackle 'Big Data'!All these examples are testament to the fact that anyone can use anything as long as the job gets done!You like closed source systems,that is fine,use it with joy in your heart! You say you have been in the industry for longer than most of us,that makes it even better,tell us where we are making mistakes and let us make everyone's life simpler and better!You might also want to maintain an open mind,you could learn a few new tricks from us too! :) My 3 cents...and the end of commenting on this!Kind regards,I'm out. :) On 16 February 2012 21:06, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki, this might interest you abit..:)
Companies adopting the free, open-source Linux operating system are having trouble finding developers and system administrators skilled in Linux, according to a new survey to be released next week.
http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2012/02/10/linux-popularity-sparks-salary-jump/
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Paul Kevin <paultitude@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmmm.... and they ask where politicians get their stubbornness from....
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:11 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Steve, your comments are common trend I've seen with Open Source and
they
trend so easily. I've never seen Tech people getting so worked up and defensive with passion about something yet they don't share the same passion and drive to do more. It makes no sense to me. Obviously am not aware of why your defensive position, so can only assume that it has something to do with some market sector and my comments don't help. Of course, if you are totally neutral in that you follow/use Open Source purely as a very strong and staunch interest, I must say you are on the wrong side then to not have the same drive as some of us. How can you not see the pitfalls of what is going on in the Opensource/Freeware areas and how this affects e.g. local development. There is something in this Open Source sector that am not aware off and it seems to upset people. It cannot be a sense of strong beliefs or principles because this would have been enough to drive serious progress forward, then why all the defensive posturing? IMHO, you are the "smart" one. :-)
Rgds.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:50 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wanjau, this is a light-hearted comment from me. Your question is
the
reason why its preferable to be a Gardener or a wheeler dealer selling peremendes/products than a tech person. I wish I could help, unfortunately I don't use technologies that I have no understanding of. In my recent flight
...then why don't you let those who can help do so? Do you have to reply to every post that's got to do with open-source with this tired old drivel? Must we all be as "smart" as you are?
Take a cue from most of the list. If you can't give a useful or clueful response, just don't reply at all.
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@Paul, IMHO, just because people like me don't fall into the category and motto used by FOSSists users or developers i.e. *To use and promote Free/Open Software Systems in Africa* which places a very different angle to software development does not mean that am playing politics here. It is most of the people who swear-by and practise the above motto that seem to get very upset when the actual discussion is to try and maybe to do something else. Do I now have the correct concept, or am I still mistaken? Corrections welcome. :-) @Maina, I'm glad to read the article you provided. Good luck on the success of FOSS, hope it does well. You are really living the FOSS Motto, so I'm glad I now understand where many of you are coming from when crazy people like me criticize such things. :-) @Moses, points taken however IMHO please keep in mind that software development is very different. After almost 2 years of self study, I now understand how it works to a certain depth. To me both proprietary and open systems are huge competition for local development because of the amount of resources and established markets. So where do those who don't follow the above two stand on pure software development in a localised settings? :-) Rgds.
Before we start making an open source version of Ubuntu in Swahili that shall suit us as a country, like Brazil did,We must start somewhere. Is anyone on this list aware that a group of volunteers from Mozilla-Kenya of which am a member is localizing Firefox into Swahili? On Twitter @mozillakenya <https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%40mozillakenya> MediaWiki is another open source software on which all Wikimedia projects run. Wikipedia being one of them had 7,636,788,561 page views in January only. Like someone mentioned earlier on this list adopt what you think shall best solve your problem. You can view more Wikimedia Stats here<http://stats.wikimedia.org/>. Guys/Chicks who build open source products are driven by passion though money must come in but not the primary, because as we cannot eat virtual fruits that we can simulate on our laptops. It is not about marketing or competition, it is about what you deem fit to use and up to purpose. Take for instance, the recent stats that showed Chrome was doing better was doing better than Firefox. The Mozilla foundation clearly stated that was a good result, since it shows the web is getting better and thats a plus for them since thats their mission. Why did Facebook decide to open source its own version of PHP, alias HIPHOP Php?..... Open source rocks and rocks are free. //Stephen On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:27 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Paul, IMHO, just because people like me don't fall into the category and motto used by FOSSists users or developers i.e. *To use and promote Free/Open Software Systems in Africa* which places a very different angle to software development does not mean that am playing politics here. It is most of the people who swear-by and practise the above motto that seem to get very upset when the actual discussion is to try and maybe to do something else. Do I now have the correct concept, or am I still mistaken? Corrections welcome. :-)
@Maina, I'm glad to read the article you provided. Good luck on the success of FOSS, hope it does well. You are really living the FOSS Motto, so I'm glad I now understand where many of you are coming from when crazy people like me criticize such things. :-)
@Moses, points taken however IMHO please keep in mind that software development is very different. After almost 2 years of self study, I now understand how it works to a certain depth. To me both proprietary and open systems are huge competition for local development because of the amount of resources and established markets. So where do those who don't follow the above two stand on pure software development in a localised settings? :-)
Rgds.
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@Wanjau, for someone as yourself who was new to Open Source this morning sure seems to know Open Source well. :-) Anyway, I still hope that you will move away from Operating Systems and onto your preferred FOSS frame works etc. But that is your decision. Am glad you are enjoying the FOSS motto, well done. However, my conviction is that core software development suited to localization for either use or export will not come from both proprietary or FOSS vendors. Its what we create that will matter, but you already know this. BTW and IMHO, creating the local Ubuntu is not about it being a swahili version but what skills we can gain out of it. These skills can be applied across the board on many other application developments. All I will always see is the 2 major hurdles that local software companies have to deal with. Proprietary and FOSS. :-) Rgds. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:19 AM, stephen wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com>wrote:
Before we start making an open source version of Ubuntu in Swahili that shall suit us as a country, like Brazil did,We must start somewhere.
Is anyone on this list aware that a group of volunteers from Mozilla-Kenya of which am a member is localizing Firefox into Swahili? On Twitter @mozillakenya <https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%40mozillakenya>
MediaWiki is another open source software on which all Wikimedia projects run. Wikipedia being one of them had 7,636,788,561 page views in January only. Like someone mentioned earlier on this list adopt what you think shall best solve your problem. You can view more Wikimedia Stats here<http://stats.wikimedia.org/>.
Guys/Chicks who build open source products are driven by passion though money must come in but not the primary, because as we cannot eat virtual fruits that we can simulate on our laptops.
It is not about marketing or competition, it is about what you deem fit to use and up to purpose. Take for instance, the recent stats that showed Chrome was doing better was doing better than Firefox. The Mozilla foundation clearly stated that was a good result, since it shows the web is getting better and thats a plus for them since thats their mission.
Why did Facebook decide to open source its own version of PHP, alias HIPHOP Php?.....
Open source rocks and rocks are free.
//Stephen
@Wanjau, I'd like you to do me one favour and go into discussion. In a few years time hopefully, KE will have its own Tech City or Areas and I'd like you as a FOSSist to take your MediaWiki and establish a tech software company that will be based in e.g Konza. The MediaWiki will say be an export item that your tech company offers. MediaWiki is downloadable by anyone across the world on the FOSS basis, right? I know Open Source rocks, so how would you offer MediaWiki to the world? Rgds. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:38 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wanjau, for someone as yourself who was new to Open Source this morning sure seems to know Open Source well. :-)
Anyway, I still hope that you will move away from Operating Systems and onto your preferred FOSS frame works etc. But that is your decision. Am glad you are enjoying the FOSS motto, well done. However, my conviction is that core software development suited to localization for either use or export will not come from both proprietary or FOSS vendors. Its what we create that will matter, but you already know this. BTW and IMHO, creating the local Ubuntu is not about it being a swahili version but what skills we can gain out of it. These skills can be applied across the board on many other application developments.
All I will always see is the 2 major hurdles that local software companies have to deal with. Proprietary and FOSS. :-)
Rgds.
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:19 AM, stephen wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com>wrote:
Before we start making an open source version of Ubuntu in Swahili that shall suit us as a country, like Brazil did,We must start somewhere.
Is anyone on this list aware that a group of volunteers from Mozilla-Kenya of which am a member is localizing Firefox into Swahili? On Twitter @mozillakenya <https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%40mozillakenya>
MediaWiki is another open source software on which all Wikimedia projects run. Wikipedia being one of them had 7,636,788,561 page views in January only. Like someone mentioned earlier on this list adopt what you think shall best solve your problem. You can view more Wikimedia Stats here<http://stats.wikimedia.org/>.
Guys/Chicks who build open source products are driven by passion though money must come in but not the primary, because as we cannot eat virtual fruits that we can simulate on our laptops.
It is not about marketing or competition, it is about what you deem fit to use and up to purpose. Take for instance, the recent stats that showed Chrome was doing better was doing better than Firefox. The Mozilla foundation clearly stated that was a good result, since it shows the web is getting better and thats a plus for them since thats their mission.
Why did Facebook decide to open source its own version of PHP, alias HIPHOP Php?.....
Open source rocks and rocks are free.
//Stephen
Probably I could have said moving into using open source OS;) Otherwise it is good to see varied opinions. //Stephen. On 2/17/12, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wanjau,
I'd like you to do me one favour and go into discussion. In a few years time hopefully, KE will have its own Tech City or Areas and I'd like you as a FOSSist to take your MediaWiki and establish a tech software company that will be based in e.g Konza. The MediaWiki will say be an export item that your tech company offers. MediaWiki is downloadable by anyone across the world on the FOSS basis, right? I know Open Source rocks, so how would you offer MediaWiki to the world?
Rgds.
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:38 AM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wanjau, for someone as yourself who was new to Open Source this morning sure seems to know Open Source well. :-)
Anyway, I still hope that you will move away from Operating Systems and onto your preferred FOSS frame works etc. But that is your decision. Am glad you are enjoying the FOSS motto, well done. However, my conviction is that core software development suited to localization for either use or export will not come from both proprietary or FOSS vendors. Its what we create that will matter, but you already know this. BTW and IMHO, creating the local Ubuntu is not about it being a swahili version but what skills we can gain out of it. These skills can be applied across the board on many other application developments.
All I will always see is the 2 major hurdles that local software companies have to deal with. Proprietary and FOSS. :-)
Rgds.
On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 12:19 AM, stephen wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com>wrote:
Before we start making an open source version of Ubuntu in Swahili that shall suit us as a country, like Brazil did,We must start somewhere.
Is anyone on this list aware that a group of volunteers from Mozilla-Kenya of which am a member is localizing Firefox into Swahili? On Twitter @mozillakenya <https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%40mozillakenya>
MediaWiki is another open source software on which all Wikimedia projects run. Wikipedia being one of them had 7,636,788,561 page views in January only. Like someone mentioned earlier on this list adopt what you think shall best solve your problem. You can view more Wikimedia Stats here<http://stats.wikimedia.org/>.
Guys/Chicks who build open source products are driven by passion though money must come in but not the primary, because as we cannot eat virtual fruits that we can simulate on our laptops.
It is not about marketing or competition, it is about what you deem fit to use and up to purpose. Take for instance, the recent stats that showed Chrome was doing better was doing better than Firefox. The Mozilla foundation clearly stated that was a good result, since it shows the web is getting better and thats a plus for them since thats their mission.
Why did Facebook decide to open source its own version of PHP, alias HIPHOP Php?.....
Open source rocks and rocks are free.
//Stephen
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People seem to have a lot of time in their hands ..
@Wanjau, let me add some general comments, not addressed to you or anyone for that matter. :-) You do agree with me that you will not be able to offer MediaWiki as an export product from Konza, right? So in many ways FOSSists motto and use of FOSS is really something that places you under the category of being a consumer. All that you do is use the available software as an end to a means, and this is where my problem starts with the whole thing. Personally, I'd never engage technologists who are consumers of software not because they are not smart, they are just a bunch of consumers. Does the issue of who is smarter even come into the equation? Not really. The real issue here is no different from say local sugar production and imports. They are those who believe local sugar production is not competitive and see potential in the imports business because all you need is the capital to import, get it delivered and make the quick money. No farm machinery, no land, no farmers, no production facilities. However, at the same time an entire sugar belt region where literally thousands of families depend on local production face uncertainty each year because of the import factors. If we wanted imports not to succeed, all we have to do is stop taking imported sugar. This will not happen, as consumers many will not even think about what's happening, as long as the facility or products exist. In future say goodbye to local production and welcome imports because other nations have put in serious planning into becoming sugar exporters. Please embrace your consumerism and enjoy the sweetness. :-) Rgds. On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 4:37 AM, stephen wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com>wrote:
Probably I could have said moving into using open source OS;)
Otherwise it is good to see varied opinions.
//Stephen.
On 2/17/12, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wanjau,
I'd like you to do me one favour and go into discussion. In a few years time hopefully, KE will have its own Tech City or Areas and I'd like you as a FOSSist to take your MediaWiki and establish a tech software company that will be based in e.g Konza. The MediaWiki will say be an export item that your tech company offers. MediaWiki is downloadable by anyone across the world on the FOSS basis, right? I know Open Source rocks, so how would you offer MediaWiki to the world?
Rgds.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:11 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Steve, your comments are common trend I've seen with Open Source and they trend so easily. I've never seen Tech people getting so worked up and defensive with passion about something yet they don't share the same passion and drive to do more. It makes no sense to me. Obviously am not aware of why your defensive position, so can only assume that it has something to do with some market sector and my comments don't help. Of course, if you are totally neutral in that you follow/use Open Source purely as a very strong and staunch interest, I must say you are on the wrong side then to not have the same drive as some of us.
You have no idea what I do and what I don't do. You have no idea what I'm passionate about or what drives me. Neither do you know any of this about most of the other list members. I'm only defensive about one thing - my right to choose what I want to use how I choose to. All I'm saying is, let people choose what they want to use, open source or proprietary. Let them learn from their experiences and from their mistakes. Don't insult others simply because they have a different point of view. In a previous thread, you referred to to open source systems as products of morons. You have no idea how many people you insulted with that statement since it implies we who use them are morons. I guess I'll continue being a moron. Just don't insult me for choosing to be a moron, because I don't know absolutely everything there is to know. And if you must know, it's nothing to do with marketing anything. I'm with a global proprietary systems vendor, but I use OSS alongside other products every day. If anything, the best lessons I've learnt my whole working life was while working with OSS systems. Maybe you're brilliant enough to create everything you use in terms of computing, but I guess most of us are just average. Just don't insult us for being who we are and trying to get by with what we've got. BR S
@Steve, I'm not sure what my response should be at this stage on your comments below, but in case you follow the FOSS motto which is your thing and your opinion, then we cannot discuss further because you are not looking at my comments from a pure local development point of view, which means both proprietary or open source are the competition too. If you cannot see this, then this thread is going to digress into something else. And this time around I aínt backing off either. Let me be blocked from this technology forum, so be it. :-) Rgds. On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
.............
Maybe you're brilliant enough to create everything you use in terms of computing, but I guess most of us are just average. Just don't insult us for being who we are and trying to get by with what we've got.
BR S
Theres also the added fact that people on this thread ask specific questions hoping for an answer. Bashing them for their choice at that moment wastes their time. We don't know what constraints or pressure they face at that moment to seek that help. I know people who swear off skunkworks due to the 'noise' levels. I mean look at the suject ofthis thread and what is being discussed now. There was also a firewall thread that got hijacked. It defeats the very purpose this list was created. Why is it so hard to just answer someone. Create a nice repository of clean threads with questions and answers?. nanog, afnog and now EANOG are ideal by the way and there is a wider tech community. Kictanet is a nice place to go try to sway policy makers. I'm not advocating for any sort of software but I like Steve don't expect to see name calling. And please return to topic. Sent from my iPad On 16 Feb 2012, at 23:23, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:11 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Steve, your comments are common trend I've seen with Open Source and they trend so easily. I've never seen Tech people getting so worked up and defensive with passion about something yet they don't share the same passion and drive to do more. It makes no sense to me. Obviously am not aware of why your defensive position, so can only assume that it has something to do with some market sector and my comments don't help. Of course, if you are totally neutral in that you follow/use Open Source purely as a very strong and staunch interest, I must say you are on the wrong side then to not have the same drive as some of us.
You have no idea what I do and what I don't do. You have no idea what I'm passionate about or what drives me. Neither do you know any of this about most of the other list members.
I'm only defensive about one thing - my right to choose what I want to use how I choose to. All I'm saying is, let people choose what they want to use, open source or proprietary. Let them learn from their experiences and from their mistakes. Don't insult others simply because they have a different point of view.
In a previous thread, you referred to to open source systems as products of morons. You have no idea how many people you insulted with that statement since it implies we who use them are morons. I guess I'll continue being a moron. Just don't insult me for choosing to be a moron, because I don't know absolutely everything there is to know.
And if you must know, it's nothing to do with marketing anything. I'm with a global proprietary systems vendor, but I use OSS alongside other products every day. If anything, the best lessons I've learnt my whole working life was while working with OSS systems.
Maybe you're brilliant enough to create everything you use in terms of computing, but I guess most of us are just average. Just don't insult us for being who we are and trying to get by with what we've got.
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ITs clear some people on this group do not have good customer service/care skills On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 8:27 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
Theres also the added fact that people on this thread ask specific questions hoping for an answer. Bashing them for their choice at that moment wastes their time. We don't know what constraints or pressure they face at that moment to seek that help.
I know people who swear off skunkworks due to the 'noise' levels. I mean look at the suject ofthis thread and what is being discussed now. There was also a firewall thread that got hijacked. It defeats the very purpose this list was created. Why is it so hard to just answer someone. Create a nice repository of clean threads with questions and answers?. nanog, afnog and now EANOG are ideal by the way and there is a wider tech community.
Kictanet is a nice place to go try to sway policy makers. I'm not advocating for any sort of software but I like Steve don't expect to see name calling. And please return to topic.
Sent from my iPad
On 16 Feb 2012, at 23:23, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 8:11 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Steve, your comments are common trend I've seen with Open Source and they trend so easily. I've never seen Tech people getting so worked up and defensive with passion about something yet they don't share the same passion and drive to do more. It makes no sense to me. Obviously am not aware of why your defensive position, so can only assume that it has something to do with some market sector and my comments don't help. Of course, if you are totally neutral in that you follow/use Open Source purely as a very strong and staunch interest, I must say you are on the wrong side then to not have the same drive as some of us.
You have no idea what I do and what I don't do. You have no idea what I'm passionate about or what drives me. Neither do you know any of this about most of the other list members.
I'm only defensive about one thing - my right to choose what I want to use how I choose to. All I'm saying is, let people choose what they want to use, open source or proprietary. Let them learn from their experiences and from their mistakes. Don't insult others simply because they have a different point of view.
In a previous thread, you referred to to open source systems as products of morons. You have no idea how many people you insulted with that statement since it implies we who use them are morons. I guess I'll continue being a moron. Just don't insult me for choosing to be a moron, because I don't know absolutely everything there is to know.
And if you must know, it's nothing to do with marketing anything. I'm with a global proprietary systems vendor, but I use OSS alongside other products every day. If anything, the best lessons I've learnt my whole working life was while working with OSS systems.
Maybe you're brilliant enough to create everything you use in terms of computing, but I guess most of us are just average. Just don't insult us for being who we are and trying to get by with what we've got.
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4 easy steps... 1: make tea 2: $ sudo tasksel 2: UN-select "LAMP", "Ok" (arrow, space-bar keys very handy here) 3: sip tea 4: ... ok, seriously, it doesn't take that much time to necessitate a mug of your favourite caffeinated beverage, i just like tea [?] [?] On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 7:22 AM, stephen wanjau <wanjaustev@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello,
I have been trying to remove the aforementioned package but rather unsuccessful.
Anyone who has leads on how to go about this or an option to repair it?
Thanks in advance.
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