Re: [Skunkworks] Kenyan media has failed, the government must control it now
I think we are independent to say anything we want as long as we are alive!!! If we say the govt to control all that, our media, blogs, etc nothing will come up that hidden by corrupt individuals, and we will be colonized til we all go live underground. On 1/11/10, Robert Alai <alai.robert@gmail.com> wrote:
David
We are not accusing the media on Fanning violence only. What about the nudity we have to endure and the coarse language. No media house is clean now and so we are left with no option but to ask for control. And RTML fanned genocide in Rwanda unless we want to bury our heads in the sand.
And when the politicians were sending hate speeches where did they get them from? Did we not see media houses sponsoring adverts calling for oathing and arming and also in Rift Valley others calling for expulsion of foreigners?
If someone send you insults through the media should the media relay the insults and should the media broadcast speeches where politicians call openly for killing of political opponents? This must stop and because they have failed self regulation, the government must step in ASAP and contain them.
This will make the media attack on me increase but I have no apologies and must demand that media be controlled in Kenya. Wapende wasipende
ALai
On Jan 11, 1:59 pm, "Benthu David Nthengwe" <NTHEN...@unhcr.org> wrote:
Dear members of the forum,
I rarely, rarely, comment on issues raised by forum members. But this one has made me rise from my sleep to defend the rights of media and free speech.
I do not agree at all that PEV or Rwanda genocide were the result of media. The skunker has to indeed take time and read, analyse accurately, events that led to the genocide in Rwanda and, indeed, to Kenya's PEV. As a former journalist myself, and well versed with the issues in Rwanda and Kenya, it is the politicians more than the poorly paid journalists that stoked the fire of genocide/ethnic cleansing in these great countries. So, rather than punish or regulate media, what of regulating the politicians for their irresponsible utterances and underhand manipulative acts of divide and rule?
Skunker, the politician is a cunning animal, do not buy into his/her bait easily. Kenyan politicians are scapegoating media for their manipulative acts and what followed on. Of course you would be asking yourself, how do we help media then from being abused or used? There are many ways of doing this: encourage growth of private media which you will see was never the case in Rwanda at the time of the genocide. In Kenya, the press is equally and dominantly state-owned or funded by individual politicians although some carry the banner of 'private media'. Currently, real private media in Kenya (and most of Africa) is foreign. We as Africans could do be better by promoting the development of local private media that works in the public interest. We should be advocating for better, friendly media laws/bills than is the case currently.
I could go on and on.... but I suppose you do not need my lecture on this issue!
David in the DRC...
Theus Owicho <owic...@gmail.com> 11/01/2010 10:31 >>>
Skunkers
Read this analysis by Shem Ochuodho in support of the control of Kenyan Media.
regards Owicho
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On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we are independent to say anything we want as long as we are alive!!! If we say the govt to control all that, our media, blogs, etc nothing will come up that hidden by corrupt individuals, and we will be colonized til we all go live underground.
@Chuks, I read that blog and am confused with what the writer is saying. Rwanda and Kenya are two different countries. And animosity in Rwanda is well documented between the communities was sown by the colonial powers which were used to trigger events years later. Rwanda has a very sick chapter that it cannot and must not forget. Kenya's biggest problem is lack of agricultural land and un-employed youth who lack a chance at life. Which laws are going to fix these problems at the ground level ?
Difficult questions ...... Me very amatuer thots.
With freedom comes responsibility, and as one great historian put it you cannot stop an idea whose time has come. I do believe that with objectivity and prudence humanity might fathom an ounce of integrity ….however all things to be done in moderation ……with the information buzz regulation would serve to inspire more ingenious alternatives take the case of blogs as opposed to web pages for the Chinese case……same would play out here wit skunks marshalling the silent digital revolution…jus a thot…… From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of aki Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 3:08 PM To: Skunkworks Forum Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Kenyan media has failed, the government must control it now On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia <chuksjonia@gmail.com<mailto:chuksjonia@gmail.com>> wrote: I think we are independent to say anything we want as long as we are alive!!! If we say the govt to control all that, our media, blogs, etc nothing will come up that hidden by corrupt individuals, and we will be colonized til we all go live underground. @Chuks, I read that blog and am confused with what the writer is saying. Rwanda and Kenya are two different countries. And animosity in Rwanda is well documented between the communities was sown by the colonial powers which were used to trigger events years later. Rwanda has a very sick chapter that it cannot and must not forget. Kenya's biggest problem is lack of agricultural land and un-employed youth who lack a chance at life. Which laws are going to fix these problems at the ground level ? Difficult questions ...... Me very amatuer thots. ________________________________ Strathmore University provides all-round education in an atmosphere of freedom and responsibility. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for use by the recipient(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete this email and/or any files attached to it from your computer. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Strathmore University. The University accepts no liability whatsoever for any loss or damages incurred, or suffered, resulting, or arising, from the use of this email and/or its attachments. The University warrants neither the integrity of the e-mail nor its freedom from errors, viruses, interception or any other form of interference. …………………………………………………………………. Website: www.strathmore.edu
I find it interesting that regulation is the default reaction to most problems. I'd like Bwana Ochuodho to explain how to regulate that people stop begin Arsenal/Manchester fans and start becoming Tusker FC / Sofapaka fans. I'd give money to look at that particular legislation Let us treat diseases and not symptoms. One sided regulation (i.e. government) assumes the government is benevolent, unobjective, just and does not have vested interests. I'm sorry to say that no matter how one stretches the imagination such a definition unfortunately does not apply to our government. On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Pius W Walela <PWalela@strathmore.edu>wrote:
With freedom comes responsibility, and as one great historian put it you cannot stop an idea whose time has come. I do believe that with objectivity and prudence humanity might fathom an ounce of integrity ….however all things to be done in moderation ……with the information buzz regulation would serve to inspire more ingenious alternatives take the case of blogs as opposed to web pages for the Chinese case……same would play out here wit skunks marshalling the silent digital revolution…jus a thot……
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On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Gichuki John Chuksjonia < chuksjonia@gmail.com> wrote:
I think we are independent to say anything we want as long as we are alive!!! If we say the govt to control all that, our media, blogs, etc nothing will come up that hidden by corrupt individuals, and we will be colonized til we all go live underground.
@Chuks, I read that blog and am confused with what the writer is saying. Rwanda and Kenya are two different countries. And animosity in Rwanda is well documented between the communities was sown by the colonial powers which were used to trigger events years later. Rwanda has a very sick chapter that it cannot and must not forget. Kenya's biggest problem is lack of agricultural land and un-employed youth who lack a chance at life. Which laws are going to fix these problems at the ground level ?
Difficult questions ......
Me very amatuer thots.
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It isn't laws that bring change on the ground. It requires freedom. That is development: when the people have the freedom and opportunity to live as they chose. Both the media and the government have failed. But we have a chance to take control of our futures through our collective voice. That should include everyone not only the government, the media, and the elites. Over 70 percent of Kenyans are employed in agriculture and there is little access to the government, the media, or the outside world. We should spend a little more time thinking about the majority instead of focusing on the minority. Crystal Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Pius W Walela <PWalela@strathmore.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:22:07 To: Skunkworks Forum<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Kenyan media has failed, the government must control it now _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
I speak with some level of Authority having worked at both KTN and Nation Media Group. Honestly I can't tell what the Media have done with the freedom they have and now claim to have lost. The content is despicable from the music videos, to the poorly researched news items to the hideous accents from lord knows where. I don't see what the media is making noise about, unless they are defending their freedom to remain unprofessional and retrogressive. I watched in dismay as KTN covered a soccer tournament sponsored by their Managing Editor in Western Kenya, personal family stories (Citizen) and end of year company parties (Nation Media) as though they were national issues. Without a doubt, content the content sucks and the reporters (by far the majority) do not have professional journalism training. Should we entrust such a powerful medium to the current crop of journalists and media houses do they deserve it? Kiania D On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 7:10 PM, <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:
It isn't laws that bring change on the ground. It requires freedom. That is development: when the people have the freedom and opportunity to live as they chose. Both the media and the government have failed. But we have a chance to take control of our futures through our collective voice. That should include everyone not only the government, the media, and the elites. Over 70 percent of Kenyans are employed in agriculture and there is little access to the government, the media, or the outside world. We should spend a little more time thinking about the majority instead of focusing on the minority.
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On 1/11/10, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Without a doubt, content the content sucks and the reporters (by far the majority) do not have professional journalism training. Should we entrust such a powerful medium to the current crop of journalists and media houses do they deserve it?
Stupidity is a human right. If you go by that regulatory yardstick every other person on the planet would be behind bars. In most cases it is easier to switch off the television (or sell it), than demand that the government do something about it. I dont understand how a music video can corrupt anyones morals .. when there is the internet .... I just searched for "free porn" and I got 56 million hits ....more than the population of Kenya. Lets ask the government to regulate all those 56 million hits.
Ashok, Those who publish porn don't claim to be journalists or members of any 'professional' body .. that has got to be earned. Secondly the internet unlike airwaves are not a public resource. So let's carry your debate to the nth level should we have free porn on Tele 247, or unregulated content. I have no doubt you are well traveled tell me one country where that happens, please say Holland I have been there and watershed hours don't begin until 11pm and it's not free for all. Ashok, do you have children or a family? Do you not care what your children nephews and nieces watch. Aren't you censoring content, and interfering with their right? Let them watch what they want don't be like the government. There is NO freedom without boundaries and expression of responsibility, it's earned not demanded. Kiania On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Ashok Hariharan <ashok@parliaments.info> wrote:
On 1/11/10, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Without a doubt, content the content sucks and the reporters (by far the majority) do not have professional journalism training. Should we entrust such a powerful medium to the current crop of journalists and media houses do they deserve it?
Stupidity is a human right. If you go by that regulatory yardstick every other person on the planet would be behind bars.
In most cases it is easier to switch off the television (or sell it), than demand that the government do something about it.
I dont understand how a music video can corrupt anyones morals .. when there is the internet .... I just searched for "free porn" and I got 56 million hits ....more than the population of Kenya. Lets ask the government to regulate all those 56 million hits. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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I'm dismayed by Ashok's assertion on the comparison between porn and media regulation. Kenya's population is >30 million compared to the 54 million hits you got on searching porn. But are you trying to justify porn while at the same time asking for decency in our media? Years ago, it was wrong, if not sinful for them media to display nudity on TV. It would earn a reprimand. Just take a look at our TV stations, if you live in Kenya, and you'd realize that a lot is left to be desired. The news are Copy and Paste from some international media, localised for the local audience, which is not a bad thing, but when done in excess, it looses its essence. Freedom has a price and it can't be misused by a few errant media houses. When I was studying journalism, I did a unit called Ethics and it started something like this: '*It's usually difficult to regulate the media because most of them self-regulate the content.....' *Furthermore, it was apparent that medical practitioners, lawyers and other professionals, are regulated by the state or other external regulation. Because media has been left to self-regulate itself, this freedom has been misused, esssentially to tarnish names and destroy the morals and ethics of a nation. We cannot watch Kenya going back to 2007-2008 because some people feel they are controlled by the government. Whatever is good for Kenyans, I fully support it, without reservations. Porn is really marketable but who in his/her right mind would want to see their daughter or son acting porn and tell the world about it. Let decency prevail for the sake of our children and the future of Kenya. Sensationalism will not work. Media must be strictly regulated. 2010/1/12 David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com>
Ashok,
Those who publish porn don't claim to be journalists or members of any 'professional' body .. that has got to be earned. Secondly the internet unlike airwaves are not a public resource. So let's carry your debate to the nth level should we have free porn on Tele 247, or unregulated content.
I have no doubt you are well traveled tell me one country where that happens, please say Holland I have been there and watershed hours don't begin until 11pm and it's not free for all.
Ashok, do you have children or a family? Do you not care what your children nephews and nieces watch. Aren't you censoring content, and interfering with their right? Let them watch what they want don't be like the government.
There is NO freedom without boundaries and expression of responsibility, it's earned not demanded.
Kiania
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Ashok Hariharan <ashok@parliaments.info> wrote:
On 1/11/10, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Without a doubt, content the content sucks and the reporters (by far the majority) do not have professional journalism training. Should we entrust such a powerful medium to the current crop of journalists and media houses do they deserve it?
Stupidity is a human right. If you go by that regulatory yardstick every other person on the planet would be behind bars.
In most cases it is easier to switch off the television (or sell it), than demand that the government do something about it.
I dont understand how a music video can corrupt anyones morals .. when there is the internet .... I just searched for "free porn" and I got 56 million hits ....more than the population of Kenya. Lets ask the government to regulate all those 56 million hits. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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Who gets to decide what is censored and how it is censored? - the government? What rules would they use? And what would stop them from censoring *anything* they find objectionable? - the people? How do you arrive at a consensus on this issue? A vote? A referendum? "Common-sense"? Or have "the people" already spoken by being very willing consumers? Let's remember that media houses are here to make money, they wouldn't produce programming if there was no market for it. Regulating media houses on content that the public willingly watches is akin to demonizing prostitutes for providing a service many men willingly thirst for. If you want to "clean the airwaves", don't misdirect your energy at the messengers (media houses providing what the market wants), instead invest your energy on the "message" (the people watching such programs). Or even better, as Ashok suggested, be a better parent and get rid of your TV (or carefully regulate it). The government is not a shortcut to good parenting. Saidi PS Perhaps the government should regulate parenting as well? Just saying it is a slippery slope. On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>wrote:
I'm dismayed by Ashok's assertion on the comparison between porn and media regulation. Kenya's population is >30 million compared to the 54 million hits you got on searching porn. But are you trying to justify porn while at the same time asking for decency in our media? Years ago, it was wrong, if not sinful for them media to display nudity on TV. It would earn a reprimand. Just take a look at our TV stations, if you live in Kenya, and you'd realize that a lot is left to be desired. The news are Copy and Paste from some international media, localised for the local audience, which is not a bad thing, but when done in excess, it looses its essence.
Freedom has a price and it can't be misused by a few errant media houses. When I was studying journalism, I did a unit called Ethics and it started something like this: '*It's usually difficult to regulate the media because most of them self-regulate the content.....' *Furthermore, it was apparent that medical practitioners, lawyers and other professionals, are regulated by the state or other external regulation. Because media has been left to self-regulate itself, this freedom has been misused, esssentially to tarnish names and destroy the morals and ethics of a nation.
We cannot watch Kenya going back to 2007-2008 because some people feel they are controlled by the government. Whatever is good for Kenyans, I fully support it, without reservations.
Porn is really marketable but who in his/her right mind would want to see their daughter or son acting porn and tell the world about it.
Let decency prevail for the sake of our children and the future of Kenya. Sensationalism will not work.
Media must be strictly regulated.
2010/1/12 David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com>
Ashok,
Those who publish porn don't claim to be journalists or members of any 'professional' body .. that has got to be earned. Secondly the internet unlike airwaves are not a public resource. So let's carry your debate to the nth level should we have free porn on Tele 247, or unregulated content.
I have no doubt you are well traveled tell me one country where that happens, please say Holland I have been there and watershed hours don't begin until 11pm and it's not free for all.
Ashok, do you have children or a family? Do you not care what your children nephews and nieces watch. Aren't you censoring content, and interfering with their right? Let them watch what they want don't be like the government.
There is NO freedom without boundaries and expression of responsibility, it's earned not demanded.
Kiania
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Ashok Hariharan <ashok@parliaments.info> wrote:
On 1/11/10, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Without a doubt, content the content sucks and the reporters (by far the majority) do not have professional journalism training. Should we entrust such a powerful medium to the current crop of journalists and media houses do they deserve it?
Stupidity is a human right. If you go by that regulatory yardstick every other person on the planet would be behind bars.
In most cases it is easier to switch off the television (or sell it), than demand that the government do something about it.
I dont understand how a music video can corrupt anyones morals .. when there is the internet .... I just searched for "free porn" and I got 56 million hits ....more than the population of Kenya. Lets ask the government to regulate all those 56 million hits. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:30 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Those who publish porn don't claim to be journalists or members of any 'professional' body .. that has got to be earned. Secondly the internet unlike airwaves are not a public resource. So let's carry your debate to the nth level should we have free porn on Tele 247, or unregulated content.
Porn was merely an analogy. It is completely possible to compare ISPs with broadcast media as a public resource. A website is like tv channel just the broadcaster isnt under your control. Just as in something like DSTV or free-to-air satellite channels are not under government supervision. Going by your line of thought we should be supervising ISPs because they are conduits for infinite immorality. You want to go to the pains of regulating a few terrestrially broadcasted audio and video channels which few people watch or care about. Ask a guy in a rural area with bad water supply and no electricity, if he cares about what comes on television ? I bet he wont get his panties into a knot for whatever is shown on television. There are a million things of more importance that could be better regulated -- starting with the regulators themselves.
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:30 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Ashok, do you have children or a family? Do you not care what your children nephews and nieces watch. Aren't you censoring content, and interfering with their right? Let them watch what they want don't be like the government.
Certainly, I do regulate what my kids watch and what kind of media they have access to. But I am a parent and not the government -- and I am clearly the most qualified to know what my kids should see. You are stating that you want the government to babysit what everyone should see and hear. Why cant responsible people police themselves and their kids ? How is a government , any government, more qualified to do this ? In an ideally incorruptible world everyone would be born deaf, mute and blind without arms or legs. Perhaps we should genetically reengineer future generations.
Personally i think the media should be given freedom to broadcast without bias , honestly there are so many different channels especially for those with family to choose from the problem is YOU parents who want to watch funny programs in front of your children and the next day blame the media ..choose the appropriate programs to watch with your family , cause if the government start controlling the media, it usually doesn't end well.....in this so called democratic country of ours thks On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Ashok Hariharan <ashok@parliaments.info>wrote:
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:30 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Ashok, do you have children or a family? Do you not care what your children nephews and nieces watch. Aren't you censoring content, and interfering with their right? Let them watch what they want don't be like the government.
Certainly, I do regulate what my kids watch and what kind of media they have access to. But I am a parent and not the government -- and I am clearly the most qualified to know what my kids should see.
You are stating that you want the government to babysit what everyone should see and hear. Why cant responsible people police themselves and their kids ? How is a government , any government, more qualified to do this ?
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Why should the media self regulate when they recently made noise OCPD Central Police St said they were going to investigate the officers who broke the law in controlling riots. If they oppose anyone self investigating and regulating why should they self regulate? The media in Kenya we know is owned by 4 people. The AGha Khan, Moi, The Govt, and Macharia. All others are omena media. I had a very big argument with a journalist who told me that they were broadcasting porn and nude videos because the police has failed to enforce the law. How do you expect the media which loudly say how they have no professionality that they will broadcast porn in broad day light as long as the police is not pinning them down with it? How will they regulate themselves. The ACT and new regulations were published in Wednesday newspapers. Can you people making noise on how the government want to curtail media freedom point to me which sections aor clauses curtail media freedom. Cross ownership? Cross checking of what they air? Demand that apology and retraction of stories be given equal airtime? I think that most of those who support the media here are simply singing a chorus to the song the media themselves is playing. We have to colleagues who have been attacked by the media just because they disagreed with some journalists over beer. Didnt we witness in Carnivore when Gidi Gidi beat Tony Mochama for insulting him through the media? Gidi beat him and told him that he had no newspaper where he was going to fight back and so he went with him physical. Didnt we see poor Madaam Martha Karua hounded by the media for an affair which was very private? Didnt we hear the presenters insult her live on air? Thats the negative effect of a media which has run amok. Like my friend calls them, todays journalist are mostly thighs and thorax. No brains. No deep analysis of issues. I was taken back when a media house went to raid a poor parent in Kiambu and break a story of how their son was being married by another man. The family suffered alot while the spouse of the married son who was a relative of Uhuru Kenyatta was given a complete blackout. Why raid the poor and give the rich a blackout ? Why not equal coverage? Koigi Wamwere asked the media recently at a briefing I attended with Hon Minister for information. He asked "If you saw your mum seated badly, will you take pictures and air them"? The media couldnt answer that. And when they bring masquaraders as media owners we also know. Who is a media owner in Kenya? Linus Gitahi (an employe), Wachira Waruru (an employee), Macharia Gaitho? Lets be serious. The media in Kenya will destroy the country. I dont support the government but on this one, Dr Ndemo must not play to their tune. Kenyans must wake up On 1/12/10, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally i think the media should be given freedom to broadcast without bias , honestly there are so many different channels especially for those with family to choose from
the problem is YOU parents who want to watch funny programs in front of your children and the next day blame the media ..choose the appropriate programs to watch with your family ,
cause if the government start controlling the media, it usually doesn't end well.....in this so called democratic country of ours
thks
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Ashok Hariharan <ashok@parliaments.info> wrote:
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 12:30 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting
Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Ashok, do you have children or a family? Do you not care what your children nephews and nieces watch. Aren't you censoring content, and interfering with their right? Let them watch what they want don't be like the government.
Certainly, I do regulate what my kids watch and what kind of media they have access to. But I am a parent and not the government -- and I am clearly the most qualified to know what my kids should see.
You are stating that you want the government to babysit what everyone should see and hear. Why cant responsible people police themselves and their kids ? How is a government , any government, more qualified to do this ?
In an ideally incorruptible world everyone would be born deaf, mute and blind without arms or legs. Perhaps we should genetically reengineer future generations.
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You've talked more of poor journalism than dangerous journalism. Poor journalism doesn't need regulation, that's why we have an array of news sources to pick from. Dangerous journalism e.g. inciting a group of people to violence is a different monster. Our government is little known for fair play and discretion so I understand the fear of the Media. On to my main POINT. The items the government is claiming to regulate can easily by spread over the internet. Porn, Violence, Defarmation, ... Don't be surprised if internet also becomes 'regulated' in a couple of years: If most Kenyans are online, then they get most of their news online. Laws will be in place to stop media houses from blah blah blah. Therefore online content from a media house will be regulated. People will move away from 'informal' media to get their 'un-regulated news', which is more popular. Media houses' business feel threatened, and some of them might want these 'informals' to be regulated. (In short, it's too late for media houses). Government smiles and starts internet regulations. Government's argument is that since they cannot identify these 'strange' characters blogging and posting images and videos that are 'unregulated' then they have to block them. It's a tricky problem! 8~| --- On Mon, 1/11/10, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote: From: David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Kenyan media has failed, the government must control it now To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 10:28 PM I speak with some level of Authority having worked at both KTN and Nation Media Group. Honestly I can't tell what the Media have done with the freedom they have and now claim to have lost. The content is despicable from the music videos, to the poorly researched news items to the hideous accents from lord knows where. I don't see what the media is making noise about, unless they are defending their freedom to remain unprofessional and retrogressive. I watched in dismay as KTN covered a soccer tournament sponsored by their Managing Editor in Western Kenya, personal family stories (Citizen) and end of year company parties (Nation Media) as though they were national issues. Without a doubt, content the content sucks and the reporters (by far the majority) do not have professional journalism training. Should we entrust such a powerful medium to the current crop of journalists and media houses do they deserve it? Kiania D On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 7:10 PM, <crystal@voicesofafrica.org> wrote:
It isn't laws that bring change on the ground. It requires freedom. That is development: when the people have the freedom and opportunity to live as they chose. Both the media and the government have failed. But we have a chance to take control of our futures through our collective voice. That should include everyone not only the government, the media, and the elites. Over 70 percent of Kenyans are employed in agriculture and there is little access to the government, the media, or the outside world. We should spend a little more time thinking about the majority instead of focusing on the minority.
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Ashok Hariharan -
crystal＠voicesofafrica.org -
David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd -
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Pius W Walela -
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