Hello, A couple of positions have come available. 1. Software Developers - currently employed in Software Development - those earning less than 100k need not apply (those are the instructions) 2. Technical Testers - Testing of software and hardware 3. Technical Sales If you are interested in any of these positions please email your CV urgently to makokha@outdoorsafrica.co.ke. Regards, ====================== Andrew Wafula Wapakala Web: www.wertsoft.com MSN: a_wafula@hotmail.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/awafula Blog: http://thewert.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================== If you have made mistakes...there is always another chance for you... you may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing we call 'failure' is not the falling down, but the staying down. - Mary Pickford "Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People"
Help me here, I have never come to understand how salary scale is an elimination criteria especially in a field that requires talent. Just my 2 cents.. TheMburu On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Andrew Wafula <awafula@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
A couple of positions have come available. 1. Software Developers - currently employed in Software Development - those earning less than 100k need not apply (those are the instructions) 2. Technical Testers - Testing of software and hardware 3. Technical Sales
If you are interested in any of these positions please email your CV urgently to makokha@outdoorsafrica.co.ke.
Regards,
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Hey George: I feel you. Me too, I find it hard to even see the need to ask someone to state how much they earn when they are appying for another job. It's funny, if not wierd. John Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: George Njoroge <themburu@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:34:03 To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Job Openings _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM, <kabogojn@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey George: I feel you. Me too, I find it hard to even see the need to ask someone to state how much they earn when they are appying for another job. It's funny, if not wierd.
John
This looks like an advert by a "recruitment agency", and not a real "software shop". These guys have no clue of what it takes to work in the fields that they're recruiting for. So this looks like a short cut on their part - that to be earning that amount, someone else (they guy paying you that much) must have made sure that you know what you're doing. Unfortunately this isn't true all of the time. And of course they severely limit their pool of potential recruits. Joseph.
Andrew, please provide minimal requirements for technical testers and technical sales if any especial academic and experience Michael On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM, <kabogojn@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey George: I feel you. Me too, I find it hard to even see the need to ask someone to state how much they earn when they are appying for another job. It's funny, if not wierd.
John
This looks like an advert by a "recruitment agency", and not a real "software shop". These guys have no clue of what it takes to work in the fields that they're recruiting for. So this looks like a short cut on their part - that to be earning that amount, someone else (they guy paying you that much) must have made sure that you know what you're doing. Unfortunately this isn't true all of the time. And of course they severely limit their pool of potential recruits.
Joseph.
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i wont be surprised its a scum , those applying be carefull On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 5:00 PM, MICHAEL AKUNGA <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
Andrew, please provide minimal requirements for technical testers and technical sales if any especial academic and experience Michael
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM, <kabogojn@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey George: I feel you. Me too, I find it hard to even see the need to ask someone to state how much they earn when they are appying for another job. It's funny, if not wierd.
John
This looks like an advert by a "recruitment agency", and not a real "software shop". These guys have no clue of what it takes to work in the fields that they're recruiting for. So this looks like a short cut on their part - that to be earning that amount, someone else (they guy paying you that much) must have made sure that you know what you're doing. Unfortunately this isn't true all of the time. And of course they severely limit their pool of potential recruits.
Joseph.
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Yeah Imelda. I think u r right. On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
i wont be surprised its a scum , those applying be carefull
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 5:00 PM, MICHAEL AKUNGA <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
Andrew, please provide minimal requirements for technical testers and technical sales if any especial academic and experience Michael
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM, <kabogojn@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey George: I feel you. Me too, I find it hard to even see the need to ask someone to state how much they earn when they are appying for another job. It's funny, if not wierd.
John
This looks like an advert by a "recruitment agency", and not a real "software shop". These guys have no clue of what it takes to work in the fields that they're recruiting for. So this looks like a short cut on their part - that to be earning that amount, someone else (they guy paying you that much) must have made sure that you know what you're doing. Unfortunately this isn't true all of the time. And of course they severely limit their pool of potential recruits.
Joseph.
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@Wafula, Lets say i earn 96K a month working for at most 3hrs a day! Another Dev. works 8hrs a day earning 101K....who will get the job? My point is,salary says nothing about someone's ability. Maybe my employer is just too generous and mean. Or maybe I just work for less hrs. On 21 March 2010 23:06, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah Imelda. I think u r right.
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
i wont be surprised its a scum , those applying be carefull
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 5:00 PM, MICHAEL AKUNGA <michaelakunga@gmail.com>wrote:
Andrew, please provide minimal requirements for technical testers and technical sales if any especial academic and experience Michael
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com>wrote:
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM, <kabogojn@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey George: I feel you. Me too, I find it hard to even see the need to ask someone to state how much they earn when they are appying for another job. It's funny, if not wierd.
John
This looks like an advert by a "recruitment agency", and not a real "software shop". These guys have no clue of what it takes to work in the fields that they're recruiting for. So this looks like a short cut on their part - that to be earning that amount, someone else (they guy paying you that much) must have made sure that you know what you're doing. Unfortunately this isn't true all of the time. And of course they severely limit their pool of potential recruits.
Joseph.
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every system can be beaten and in this case, a determined person will simply fake their payslip and then apply. On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wafula, Lets say i earn 96K a month working for at most 3hrs a day! Another Dev. works 8hrs a day earning 101K....who will get the job? My point is,salary says nothing about someone's ability. Maybe my employer is just too generous and mean. Or maybe I just work for less hrs.
On 21 March 2010 23:06, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah Imelda. I think u r right.
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
i wont be surprised its a scum , those applying be carefull
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 5:00 PM, MICHAEL AKUNGA <michaelakunga@gmail.com
wrote:
Andrew, please provide minimal requirements for technical testers and technical sales if any especial academic and experience Michael
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com>wrote:
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM, <kabogojn@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey George: I feel you. Me too, I find it hard to even see the need to ask someone to state how much they earn when they are appying for another job. It's funny, if not wierd.
John
This looks like an advert by a "recruitment agency", and not a real "software shop". These guys have no clue of what it takes to work in the fields that they're recruiting for. So this looks like a short cut on their part - that to be earning that amount, someone else (they guy paying you that much) must have made sure that you know what you're doing. Unfortunately this isn't true all of the time. And of course they severely limit their pool of potential recruits.
Joseph.
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Hey guys, Don't shoot the messenger on this one. A recruitment firm asked me to get guys to send CVs their way. I know these guys personally and it is no scam. They had interviewed guys earlier in the week and were disappointed by the quality of guys they got so they asked for my help. If you are unhappy with their requirements, take it up with them. AS for the minimum technical requirements and stuff like that, I have no further details. If you consider yourself an excellent software developer despite not meeting the 100k criteria apply and see how it goes for you (see below). Personally, as a recruiter myself, I see no reason why people who are potential candidates complain about requirements set up by companies that wish to employ. It is their prerogative. They are the ones with the jobs and as flawed as their choice of words or criteria may seem, you still have to put your best foot forward and try to prove to them that you can do the job. Complaining about it won't get you the job. I have interviewed hundreds of applicants, and what we look for is professionalism, attitude and whether they can do the job. Many times I have hired people below the requirement simply because they showed that despite the lack of experience, they had potential and had the right mix to fit in with our corporate culture. So, instead of complaining and asking why the guy chose to use certain things in their criteria (which I believe recruiters should improve on), apply and give it your best shot. Show them why you are the right person for the job. Regards, ====================== Andrew Wafula Wapakala Web: www.wertsoft.com MSN: a_wafula@hotmail.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/awafula Blog: http://thewert.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================== If you have made mistakes...there is always another chance for you... you may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing we call 'failure' is not the falling down, but the staying down. - Mary Pickford "Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People" On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Eric Mugo <kabugum@gmail.com> wrote:
every system can be beaten and in this case, a determined person will simply fake their payslip and then apply.
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com>wrote:
@Wafula, Lets say i earn 96K a month working for at most 3hrs a day! Another Dev. works 8hrs a day earning 101K....who will get the job? My point is,salary says nothing about someone's ability. Maybe my employer is just too generous and mean. Or maybe I just work for less hrs.
On 21 March 2010 23:06, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah Imelda. I think u r right.
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
i wont be surprised its a scum , those applying be carefull
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 5:00 PM, MICHAEL AKUNGA < michaelakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Andrew, please provide minimal requirements for technical testers and technical sales if any especial academic and experience Michael
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com>wrote:
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM, <kabogojn@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey George: > I feel you. Me too, I find it hard to even see the need to ask > someone to state how much they earn when they are appying for another job. > It's funny, if not wierd. > > John > > This looks like an advert by a "recruitment agency", and not a real "software shop". These guys have no clue of what it takes to work in the fields that they're recruiting for. So this looks like a short cut on their part - that to be earning that amount, someone else (they guy paying you that much) must have made sure that you know what you're doing. Unfortunately this isn't true all of the time. And of course they severely limit their pool of potential recruits.
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I agree with Andrew completely dont shoot the messenger. On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Andrew Wafula <awafula@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey guys,
Don't shoot the messenger on this one. A recruitment firm asked me to get guys to send CVs their way. I know these guys personally and it is no scam. They had interviewed guys earlier in the week and were disappointed by the quality of guys they got so they asked for my help. If you are unhappy with their requirements, take it up with them. AS for the minimum technical requirements and stuff like that, I have no further details. If you consider yourself an excellent software developer despite not meeting the 100k criteria apply and see how it goes for you (see below).
Personally, as a recruiter myself, I see no reason why people who are potential candidates complain about requirements set up by companies that wish to employ. It is their prerogative. They are the ones with the jobs and as flawed as their choice of words or criteria may seem, you still have to put your best foot forward and try to prove to them that you can do the job. Complaining about it won't get you the job. I have interviewed hundreds of applicants, and what we look for is professionalism, attitude and whether they can do the job. Many times I have hired people below the requirement simply because they showed that despite the lack of experience, they had potential and had the right mix to fit in with our corporate culture. So, instead of complaining and asking why the guy chose to use certain things in their criteria (which I believe recruiters should improve on), apply and give it your best shot. Show them why you are the right person for the job.
Regards,
====================== Andrew Wafula Wapakala Web: www.wertsoft.com MSN: a_wafula@hotmail.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/awafula Blog: http://thewert.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================== If you have made mistakes...there is always another chance for you... you may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing we call 'failure' is not the falling down, but the staying down. - Mary Pickford "Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People"
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Eric Mugo <kabugum@gmail.com> wrote:
every system can be beaten and in this case, a determined person will simply fake their payslip and then apply.
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com>wrote:
@Wafula, Lets say i earn 96K a month working for at most 3hrs a day! Another Dev. works 8hrs a day earning 101K....who will get the job? My point is,salary says nothing about someone's ability. Maybe my employer is just too generous and mean. Or maybe I just work for less hrs.
On 21 March 2010 23:06, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah Imelda. I think u r right.
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
i wont be surprised its a scum , those applying be carefull
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 5:00 PM, MICHAEL AKUNGA < michaelakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Andrew, please provide minimal requirements for technical testers and technical sales if any especial academic and experience Michael
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM, <kabogojn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hey George: >> I feel you. Me too, I find it hard to even see the need to ask >> someone to state how much they earn when they are appying for another job. >> It's funny, if not wierd. >> >> John >> >> > This looks like an advert by a "recruitment agency", and not a real > "software shop". These guys have no clue of what it takes to work in the > fields that they're recruiting for. So this looks like a short cut on their > part - that to be earning that amount, someone else (they guy paying you > that much) must have made sure that you know what you're doing. > Unfortunately this isn't true all of the time. And of course they severely > limit their pool of potential recruits. > > Joseph. > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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could you please provide the requirements for these positions On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 6:04 PM, waihiga mwaura <waihigamwaura@gmail.com>wrote:
I agree with Andrew completely dont shoot the messenger.
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Andrew Wafula <awafula@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey guys,
Don't shoot the messenger on this one. A recruitment firm asked me to get guys to send CVs their way. I know these guys personally and it is no scam. They had interviewed guys earlier in the week and were disappointed by the quality of guys they got so they asked for my help. If you are unhappy with their requirements, take it up with them. AS for the minimum technical requirements and stuff like that, I have no further details. If you consider yourself an excellent software developer despite not meeting the 100k criteria apply and see how it goes for you (see below).
Personally, as a recruiter myself, I see no reason why people who are potential candidates complain about requirements set up by companies that wish to employ. It is their prerogative. They are the ones with the jobs and as flawed as their choice of words or criteria may seem, you still have to put your best foot forward and try to prove to them that you can do the job. Complaining about it won't get you the job. I have interviewed hundreds of applicants, and what we look for is professionalism, attitude and whether they can do the job. Many times I have hired people below the requirement simply because they showed that despite the lack of experience, they had potential and had the right mix to fit in with our corporate culture. So, instead of complaining and asking why the guy chose to use certain things in their criteria (which I believe recruiters should improve on), apply and give it your best shot. Show them why you are the right person for the job.
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On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:33 AM, Eric Mugo <kabugum@gmail.com> wrote:
every system can be beaten and in this case, a determined person will simply fake their payslip and then apply.
On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 8:02 AM, Jared Koyier <jaredkoyier@gmail.com>wrote:
@Wafula, Lets say i earn 96K a month working for at most 3hrs a day! Another Dev. works 8hrs a day earning 101K....who will get the job? My point is,salary says nothing about someone's ability. Maybe my employer is just too generous and mean. Or maybe I just work for less hrs.
On 21 March 2010 23:06, solomon kariri <solomonkariri@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah Imelda. I think u r right.
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 7:40 PM, Imelda Mueni <mueni0@gmail.com>wrote:
i wont be surprised its a scum , those applying be carefull
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 5:00 PM, MICHAEL AKUNGA < michaelakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andrew, > please provide minimal requirements for technical testers and > technical sales if any especial academic and experience > Michael > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com>wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM, <kabogojn@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hey George: >>> I feel you. Me too, I find it hard to even see the need to ask >>> someone to state how much they earn when they are appying for another job. >>> It's funny, if not wierd. >>> >>> John >>> >>> >> This looks like an advert by a "recruitment agency", and not a real >> "software shop". These guys have no clue of what it takes to work in the >> fields that they're recruiting for. So this looks like a short cut on their >> part - that to be earning that amount, someone else (they guy paying you >> that much) must have made sure that you know what you're doing. >> Unfortunately this isn't true all of the time. And of course they severely >> limit their pool of potential recruits. >> >> Joseph. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet >> >> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > MICHAEL A. AKUNGA > (+254) 0726 174 815 > michaelakunga@gmail.com > michaelakunga@yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet > > http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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What an advertisement! Are you looking for Talent or just some jokers? I.T. is very different from some careers so this is someone who doesn't understand nothing about tech. On 3/21/10, MICHAEL AKUNGA <michaelakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Andrew, please provide minimal requirements for technical testers and technical sales if any especial academic and experience Michael
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Joseph Wayodi <jwayodi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 2:39 PM, <kabogojn@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey George: I feel you. Me too, I find it hard to even see the need to ask someone to state how much they earn when they are appying for another job. It's funny, if not wierd.
John
This looks like an advert by a "recruitment agency", and not a real "software shop". These guys have no clue of what it takes to work in the fields that they're recruiting for. So this looks like a short cut on their part - that to be earning that amount, someone else (they guy paying you that much) must have made sure that you know what you're doing. Unfortunately this isn't true all of the time. And of course they severely limit their pool of potential recruits.
Joseph.
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