University Education in Traditional Computer Science.
An interesting discussion i had this morning with one of the registrars in a public university presents a very dire and wanting situation in education in Computer Science. (Pure & applied) whose conclusion was pretty much that there just arent postgraduates in computer science in the country. It came as a shocker and since my background is in Engineering and IT, i am inclined to ask... What is the status of manpower in the country in the discipline? how many people can qualify as lecturers, associate lecturers and professors in the science? -- Regards, Collins Areba. *Strategic Operations. * *Center for Renewable Alternatives* Old Ferry Road, off Msa Malindi Rd, | Kilifi, Kenya. +254 720 516758 /734 696821 | skype/gtalk/twitter: arebacollins **
@Collins, I find it absurd that this is the case. I am still convinced that those remarks were made solely by basing them on assumptions. At least do some research and get facts for us. As a Comp Sci graduate, am forging forward with my dreams of pursuing a Masters in the same! :-) I don't necessarily believe that for one to hv a masters or doctorate in Comp Sci automatically qualifies (or brands) one to be a lecturer. I believe there are a good number of postgraduates in this field... On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:40 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
An interesting discussion i had this morning with one of the registrars in a public university presents a very dire and wanting situation in education in Computer Science. (Pure & applied) whose conclusion was pretty much that there just arent postgraduates in computer science in the country. It came as a shocker and since my background is in Engineering and IT, i am inclined to ask...
What is the status of manpower in the country in the discipline? how many people can qualify as lecturers, associate lecturers and professors in the science?
-- Regards,
Collins Areba.
*Strategic Operations. * *Center for Renewable Alternatives* Old Ferry Road, off Msa Malindi Rd, | Kilifi, Kenya. +254 720 516758 /734 696821 | skype/gtalk/twitter: arebacollins
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Maybe saying "None" he meant they are very few....vis a vis the number of Computer science graduates.... One of the contributing factors, could be that everyone is running for an MBA as a way of rising up the corporate ladder, an Msc is often viewed as leaning towards academia... Personally i did an undergrad of IT and now pursuing an Msc.IT and i'm actually enjoying it... and i don't intend to follow academia unless circumstances dictate otherwise... On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Gregory Okoth <gregory.okoth@gmail.com>wrote:
@Collins, I find it absurd that this is the case. I am still convinced that those remarks were made solely by basing them on assumptions. At least do some research and get facts for us. As a Comp Sci graduate, am forging forward with my dreams of pursuing a Masters in the same! :-)
I don't necessarily believe that for one to hv a masters or doctorate in Comp Sci automatically qualifies (or brands) one to be a lecturer. I believe there are a good number of postgraduates in this field...
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:40 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
An interesting discussion i had this morning with one of the registrars in a public university presents a very dire and wanting situation in education in Computer Science. (Pure & applied) whose conclusion was pretty much that there just arent postgraduates in computer science in the country. It came as a shocker and since my background is in Engineering and IT, i am inclined to ask...
What is the status of manpower in the country in the discipline? how many people can qualify as lecturers, associate lecturers and professors in the science?
-- Regards,
Collins Areba.
*Strategic Operations. * *Center for Renewable Alternatives* Old Ferry Road, off Msa Malindi Rd, | Kilifi, Kenya. +254 720 516758 /734 696821 | skype/gtalk/twitter: arebacollins
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Well said Eric, I think thats the basic point......many of the MBA's out there are BSc. Comp Sci's and its true that Msc is more academically inclined since most universities r hunting for Msc in these field (no wonder the registrar's conclusion that there r no postgraduates). They (university administration/management/senate) forget that they r the very reason we don't want to venture into occupations most likely to lead us into the classroom environments...since they r poorly paid and with full of job insecurity and a perception of low education quality/standards.... On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Eric Mugo <kabugum@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe saying "None" he meant they are very few....vis a vis the number of Computer science graduates.... One of the contributing factors, could be that everyone is running for an MBA as a way of rising up the corporate ladder, an Msc is often viewed as leaning towards academia...
Personally i did an undergrad of IT and now pursuing an Msc.IT and i'm actually enjoying it... and i don't intend to follow academia unless circumstances dictate otherwise...
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Gregory Okoth <gregory.okoth@gmail.com>wrote:
@Collins, I find it absurd that this is the case. I am still convinced that those remarks were made solely by basing them on assumptions. At least do some research and get facts for us. As a Comp Sci graduate, am forging forward with my dreams of pursuing a Masters in the same! :-)
I don't necessarily believe that for one to hv a masters or doctorate in Comp Sci automatically qualifies (or brands) one to be a lecturer. I believe there are a good number of postgraduates in this field...
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:40 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
An interesting discussion i had this morning with one of the registrars in a public university presents a very dire and wanting situation in education in Computer Science. (Pure & applied) whose conclusion was pretty much that there just arent postgraduates in computer science in the country. It came as a shocker and since my background is in Engineering and IT, i am inclined to ask...
What is the status of manpower in the country in the discipline? how many people can qualify as lecturers, associate lecturers and professors in the science?
-- Regards,
Collins Areba.
*Strategic Operations. * *Center for Renewable Alternatives* Old Ferry Road, off Msa Malindi Rd, | Kilifi, Kenya. +254 720 516758 /734 696821 | skype/gtalk/twitter: arebacollins
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@eric that was basically the premise of the argument. In short he explained to me that they have actually been hunting for persons to fill in the posts of lecturers and in most cases found none. he actually did mention that many of those lecturing had other degrees as undergrad and masters in comp science and that there is need for many who have fundamentals in comp science to actually further their studies and join academia. call it baseless but his argument that in the battle for pay the university has lost a lot to corporate industry does resonate in my perspective. while specific mention was not made to the UofN which strategically is advantaged by virtue of location, specific mention of Egerton was made, which makes me curious as to the reasoning / motivation for any negative talk (if indeed he was) and regard to the state of affairs in the same. On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Gregory Okoth <gregory.okoth@gmail.com>wrote:
Well said Eric, I think thats the basic point......many of the MBA's out there are BSc. Comp Sci's and its true that Msc is more academically inclined since most universities r hunting for Msc in these field (no wonder the registrar's conclusion that there r no postgraduates).
They (university administration/management/senate) forget that they r the very reason we don't want to venture into occupations most likely to lead us into the classroom environments...since they r poorly paid and with full of job insecurity and a perception of low education quality/standards....
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Eric Mugo <kabugum@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe saying "None" he meant they are very few....vis a vis the number of Computer science graduates.... One of the contributing factors, could be that everyone is running for an MBA as a way of rising up the corporate ladder, an Msc is often viewed as leaning towards academia...
Personally i did an undergrad of IT and now pursuing an Msc.IT and i'm actually enjoying it... and i don't intend to follow academia unless circumstances dictate otherwise...
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Gregory Okoth <gregory.okoth@gmail.com>wrote:
@Collins, I find it absurd that this is the case. I am still convinced that those remarks were made solely by basing them on assumptions. At least do some research and get facts for us. As a Comp Sci graduate, am forging forward with my dreams of pursuing a Masters in the same! :-)
I don't necessarily believe that for one to hv a masters or doctorate in Comp Sci automatically qualifies (or brands) one to be a lecturer. I believe there are a good number of postgraduates in this field...
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:40 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
An interesting discussion i had this morning with one of the registrars in a public university presents a very dire and wanting situation in education in Computer Science. (Pure & applied) whose conclusion was pretty much that there just arent postgraduates in computer science in the country. It came as a shocker and since my background is in Engineering and IT, i am inclined to ask...
What is the status of manpower in the country in the discipline? how many people can qualify as lecturers, associate lecturers and professors in the science?
-- Regards,
Collins Areba.
*Strategic Operations. * *Center for Renewable Alternatives* Old Ferry Road, off Msa Malindi Rd, | Kilifi, Kenya. +254 720 516758 /734 696821 | skype/gtalk/twitter: arebacollins
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-- Regards, Collins Areba. *Strategic Operations. * *Center for Renewable Alternatives* Old Ferry Road, off Msa Malindi Rd, | Kilifi, Kenya. +254 720 516758 /734 696821 | skype/gtalk/twitter: arebacollins **
Can we blame this on bad pay n to much cramming and zero learning. Compared to other professions i think that lecturers are paid badly not factoring the years one has to spend in school this plus the fact that those who really want to teach meet students who don't care much about what they are doing, their only goal is to pass exams with the minimal effort possible. This explains the high rate of dubbing in university exams n also the lack of originality in many university projects. Some mechanisms should be put in place that ensure that only students capable of researching and producing original projects n hence furthering education pass exams. On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 4:20 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@eric that was basically the premise of the argument. In short he explained to me that they have actually been hunting for persons to fill in the posts of lecturers and in most cases found none.
he actually did mention that many of those lecturing had other degrees as undergrad and masters in comp science and that there is need for many who have fundamentals in comp science to actually further their studies and join academia.
call it baseless but his argument that in the battle for pay the university has lost a lot to corporate industry does resonate in my perspective. while specific mention was not made to the UofN which strategically is advantaged by virtue of location, specific mention of Egerton was made, which makes me curious as to the reasoning / motivation for any negative talk (if indeed he was) and regard to the state of affairs in the same.
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Gregory Okoth <gregory.okoth@gmail.com>wrote:
Well said Eric, I think thats the basic point......many of the MBA's out there are BSc. Comp Sci's and its true that Msc is more academically inclined since most universities r hunting for Msc in these field (no wonder the registrar's conclusion that there r no postgraduates).
They (university administration/management/senate) forget that they r the very reason we don't want to venture into occupations most likely to lead us into the classroom environments...since they r poorly paid and with full of job insecurity and a perception of low education quality/standards....
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Eric Mugo <kabugum@gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe saying "None" he meant they are very few....vis a vis the number of Computer science graduates.... One of the contributing factors, could be that everyone is running for an MBA as a way of rising up the corporate ladder, an Msc is often viewed as leaning towards academia...
Personally i did an undergrad of IT and now pursuing an Msc.IT and i'm actually enjoying it... and i don't intend to follow academia unless circumstances dictate otherwise...
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Gregory Okoth <gregory.okoth@gmail.com>wrote:
@Collins, I find it absurd that this is the case. I am still convinced that those remarks were made solely by basing them on assumptions. At least do some research and get facts for us. As a Comp Sci graduate, am forging forward with my dreams of pursuing a Masters in the same! :-)
I don't necessarily believe that for one to hv a masters or doctorate in Comp Sci automatically qualifies (or brands) one to be a lecturer. I believe there are a good number of postgraduates in this field...
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 1:40 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
An interesting discussion i had this morning with one of the registrars in a public university presents a very dire and wanting situation in education in Computer Science. (Pure & applied) whose conclusion was pretty much that there just arent postgraduates in computer science in the country. It came as a shocker and since my background is in Engineering and IT, i am inclined to ask...
What is the status of manpower in the country in the discipline? how many people can qualify as lecturers, associate lecturers and professors in the science?
-- Regards,
Collins Areba.
*Strategic Operations. * *Center for Renewable Alternatives* Old Ferry Road, off Msa Malindi Rd, | Kilifi, Kenya. +254 720 516758 /734 696821 | skype/gtalk/twitter: arebacollins
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-- Regards,
Collins Areba.
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