Could someone who understands Safcom's data strategy explain it to me in English. According to press reports they have began technical trials on 4G (LTE - Long Term Evolution) with Huawei. At the same time they have been on an acquisition spree swallowing each and every WIMAX operator in the country. Already they are the largest ISP and Data company in Kenya, LTE will allow them to do faster data speeds and wide coverage. So why in the world to they have to acquire Instaconnet and the rest? Are they buying customers? They don't need to given they are the largest brand already. SOS (Saidiaa OOOh Saidia). Kiania D. -- [Asentric Consulting Ltd] If a man has in himself the soul of a slave will he not become one no matter what his birth .... -Richest Man in Babylon
Another reason why Queen bee is not going down any time soon.....Zain is fighting the wrong battle with voice.... On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:12 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Could someone who understands Safcom's data strategy explain it to me in English. According to press reports they have began technical trials on 4G (LTE - Long Term Evolution) with Huawei. At the same time they have been on an acquisition spree swallowing each and every WIMAX operator in the country.
Already they are the largest ISP and Data company in Kenya, LTE will allow them to do faster data speeds and wide coverage. So why in the world to they have to acquire Instaconnet and the rest? Are they buying customers? They don't need to given they are the largest brand already.
SOS (Saidiaa OOOh Saidia).
Kiania D.
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Ad they are not only buying clients but expertise as well They are a big brand but people need to know that they have data services and the forms od data services that they have. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
Another reason why Queen bee is not going down any time soon.....Zain is fighting the wrong battle with voice....
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:12 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Could someone who understands Safcom's data strategy explain it to me in English. According to press reports they have began technical trials on 4G (LTE - Long Term Evolution) with Huawei. At the same time they have been on an acquisition spree swallowing each and every WIMAX operator in the country.
Already they are the largest ISP and Data company in Kenya, LTE will allow them to do faster data speeds and wide coverage. So why in the world to they have to acquire Instaconnet and the rest? Are they buying customers? They don't need to given they are the largest brand already.
SOS (Saidiaa OOOh Saidia).
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-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- God is not an excuse for lack of discipline -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
Joram please look through any mobile operators' financial report including Queen bee 80% of revenue is voice. In Safcom's case 64B of 82B was voice and 7.4 B data including GPRS. Kiania On Wednesday, September 1, 2010, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
Another reason why Queen bee is not going down any time soon.....Zain is fighting the wrong battle with voice....
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:12 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote: Could someone who understands Safcom's data strategy explain it to me in English. According to press reports they have began technical trials on 4G (LTE - Long Term Evolution) with Huawei. At the same time they have been on an acquisition spree swallowing each and every WIMAX operator in the country.
Already they are the largest ISP and Data company in Kenya, LTE will allow them to do faster data speeds and wide coverage. So why in the world to they have to acquire Instaconnet and the rest? Are they buying customers? They don't need to given they are the largest brand already.
SOS (Saidiaa OOOh Saidia).
Kiania D.
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One need to start with the volume of subscribers before u think of data and voice... Zain is on the right track. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:41 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Joram please look through any mobile operators' financial report including Queen bee 80% of revenue is voice. In Safcom's case 64B of 82B was voice and 7.4 B data including GPRS.
Kiania
On Wednesday, September 1, 2010, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
Another reason why Queen bee is not going down any time soon.....Zain is fighting the wrong battle with voice....
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:12 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote: Could someone who understands Safcom's data strategy explain it to me in English. According to press reports they have began technical trials on 4G (LTE - Long Term Evolution) with Huawei. At the same time they have been on an acquisition spree swallowing each and every WIMAX operator in the country.
Already they are the largest ISP and Data company in Kenya, LTE will allow them to do faster data speeds and wide coverage. So why in the world to they have to acquire Instaconnet and the rest? Are they buying customers? They don't need to given they are the largest brand already.
SOS (Saidiaa OOOh Saidia).
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The next battle is on Data. Voice revenue will shrink though not so fast in African market as compared to Euro markets. We are moving towards a Machine-Machine communication. A human being can "talk" for "x" hours per day. Machines are up 24 hours. The next wars will "Machine Wars". Safcom are on the right path I bet in the long term. LTE speeds if at all achievable will/shall be amazing On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Willie Ong'uti <williexm@gmail.com> wrote:
One need to start with the volume of subscribers before u think of data and voice... Zain is on the right track.
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:41 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Joram please look through any mobile operators' financial report including Queen bee 80% of revenue is voice. In Safcom's case 64B of 82B was voice and 7.4 B data including GPRS.
Kiania
On Wednesday, September 1, 2010, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
Another reason why Queen bee is not going down any time soon.....Zain is fighting the wrong battle with voice....
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 11:12 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote: Could someone who understands Safcom's data strategy explain it to me in English. According to press reports they have began technical trials on 4G (LTE - Long Term Evolution) with Huawei. At the same time they have been on an acquisition spree swallowing each and every WIMAX operator in the country.
Already they are the largest ISP and Data company in Kenya, LTE will allow them to do faster data speeds and wide coverage. So why in the world to they have to acquire Instaconnet and the rest? Are they buying customers? They don't need to given they are the largest brand already.
SOS (Saidiaa OOOh Saidia).
Kiania D.
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On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Joram Gachuiri <jgachuirii@gmail.com> wrote:
The next battle is on Data. Voice revenue will shrink though not so fast in African market as compared to Euro markets. We are moving towards a Machine-Machine communication. A human being can "talk" for "x" hours per day. Machines are up 24 hours. The next wars will "Machine Wars". Safcom are on the right path I bet in the long term. LTE speeds if at all achievable will/shall be amazing
@another Joram. :-) Some words from me. Your assesment, like others, is spot on. Costs of commited channels = 100% returns on commited revenues versus timed channel usage which is habitual and unpredictive based revenues. " Terminator " words of machine wars! Some of us are already in the "machine trenches, digging in and undergoing refreshers or advancement". The battle for kenyan web and sms space is yet to begin. It will take a few right decisions and factors by Safcom to really punch big holes into the kenyan web-sphere/sms-sphere with data enabled services. Not a question of if but when. That is where most technologists need to be heading if they are thinking right. They should be prepared to make the best of the latest networks grow as platforms. Me thots. ( catch up soon...)
Lets not forget, Middle class is likely to grow countrywide and therefore you will have a higher spending population that will be less price sensitive as money gets devolved around the country. That kind of demographic is likely to spend more money on data services than voice. There is only so much people can talk in a day. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:41 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Joram Gachuiri <jgachuirii@gmail.com> wrote:
The next battle is on Data. Voice revenue will shrink though not so fast in African market as compared to Euro markets. We are moving towards a Machine-Machine communication. A human being can "talk" for "x" hours per day. Machines are up 24 hours. The next wars will "Machine Wars". Safcom are on the right path I bet in the long term. LTE speeds if at all achievable will/shall be amazing
@another Joram. :-)
Some words from me. Your assesment, like others, is spot on. Costs of commited channels = 100% returns on commited revenues versus timed channel usage which is habitual and unpredictive based revenues. " Terminator " words of machine wars! Some of us are already in the "machine trenches, digging in and undergoing refreshers or advancement". The battle for kenyan web and sms space is yet to begin. It will take a few right decisions and factors by Safcom to really punch big holes into the kenyan web-sphere/sms-sphere with data enabled services. Not a question of if but when. That is where most technologists need to be heading if they are thinking right. They should be prepared to make the best of the latest networks grow as platforms.
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According to wikipedia lte is 3.9g not 4g secondly think skype voice and video calls, thirdly lte test by safaricom is a first in africa On 9/1/10, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
Lets not forget, Middle class is likely to grow countrywide and therefore you will have a higher spending population that will be less price sensitive as money gets devolved around the country.
That kind of demographic is likely to spend more money on data services than voice. There is only so much people can talk in a day.
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:41 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Joram Gachuiri <jgachuirii@gmail.com> wrote:
The next battle is on Data. Voice revenue will shrink though not so fast in African market as compared to Euro markets. We are moving towards a Machine-Machine communication. A human being can "talk" for "x" hours per day. Machines are up 24 hours. The next wars will "Machine Wars". Safcom are on the right path I bet in the long term. LTE speeds if at all achievable will/shall be amazing
@another Joram. :-)
Some words from me. Your assesment, like others, is spot on. Costs of commited channels = 100% returns on commited revenues versus timed channel usage which is habitual and unpredictive based revenues. " Terminator " words of machine wars! Some of us are already in the "machine trenches, digging in and undergoing refreshers or advancement". The battle for kenyan web and sms space is yet to begin. It will take a few right decisions and factors by Safcom to really punch big holes into the kenyan web-sphere/sms-sphere with data enabled services. Not a question of if but when. That is where most technologists need to be heading if they are thinking right. They should be prepared to make the best of the latest networks grow as platforms.
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I read somewhere that ITU will ratify 4G in October, though this hasn't stopped operators everywhere in the world from launching "4G"
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/cellular/13134-Vodacom-150-Mbps-trial-LTE-netw... <http://mybroadband.co.za/news/cellular/13134-Vodacom-150-Mbps-trial-LTE-network-live.html> http://www.balancingact-africa.com/news/en/issue-no-510/top-story/vodacom-be... <http://www.balancingact-africa.com/news/en/issue-no-510/top-story/vodacom-becomes-the-first-operator-to-switch-on-an-lte-network-on-the> ====================== Andrew Wafula Wapakala Web: www.wertsoft.com MSN: a_wafula@hotmail.com MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/awafula Blog: http://thewert.blogspot.com/ ========================================================================== If you have made mistakes...there is always another chance for you... you may have a fresh start any moment you choose, for this thing we call 'failure' is not the falling down, but the staying down. - Mary Pickford "Great Minds Discuss Ideas; Average Minds Discuss Events; Small Minds Discuss People" On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 3:29 PM, the mayor <the.verygood.mayor@gmail.com>wrote:
According to wikipedia lte is 3.9g not 4g secondly think skype voice and video calls, thirdly lte test by safaricom is a first in africa
On 9/1/10, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
Lets not forget, Middle class is likely to grow countrywide and therefore you will have a higher spending population that will be less price sensitive as money gets devolved around the country.
That kind of demographic is likely to spend more money on data services than voice. There is only so much people can talk in a day.
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 1:41 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Joram Gachuiri <jgachuirii@gmail.com> wrote:
The next battle is on Data. Voice revenue will shrink though not so fast in African market as compared to Euro markets. We are moving towards a Machine-Machine communication. A human being can "talk" for "x" hours per day. Machines are up 24 hours. The next wars will "Machine Wars". Safcom are on the right path I bet in the long term. LTE speeds if at all achievable will/shall be amazing
@another Joram. :-)
Some words from me. Your assesment, like others, is spot on. Costs of commited channels = 100% returns on commited revenues versus timed channel usage which is habitual and unpredictive based revenues. " Terminator " words of machine wars! Some of us are already in the "machine trenches, digging in and undergoing refreshers or advancement". The battle for kenyan web and sms space is yet to begin. It will take a few right decisions and factors by Safcom to really punch big holes into the kenyan web-sphere/sms-sphere with data enabled services. Not a question of if but when. That is where most technologists need to be heading if they are thinking right. They should be prepared to make the best of the latest networks grow as platforms.
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On the same note someone has just pointed out to me this
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/14841-Cell-reveals-new-broadband-pri... 50 Rands per GB regards Patrick
They're playing both teams a few years ago lte and wimax were considered competing technologies so investing in both is win win for them On 9/1/10, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
On the same note someone has just pointed out to me this
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/14841-Cell-reveals-new-broadband-pri...
50 Rands per GB
regards
Patrick
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This is interesting and Safcom is making an early data market penetration when the others are concentrating on voice which I think is a smart move because right now even if you have 12 million voice user and you are charging two or three shillings to call per minute, then you won't get as much profit like before when we used to be charged six and eight shillings repectively per minute. In simple words the voice market is not as lucrative as it used to be and that's why safaricom is strategically positioning itself for data market. If there is something that I admire about safaricom is that they have very good strategic plans and with time they will do a come back. On 9/1/10, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote:
They're playing both teams a few years ago lte and wimax were considered competing technologies so investing in both is win win for them
On 9/1/10, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
On the same note someone has just pointed out to me this
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/14841-Cell-reveals-new-broadband-pri...
50 Rands per GB
regards
Patrick
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If you overlap competitors 10 times, when they recover 1 lap, you are not recovering, you are still way ahead of the pack On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Jac <jack.gathoni@gmail.com> wrote:
This is interesting and Safcom is making an early data market penetration when the others are concentrating on voice which I think is a smart move because right now even if you have 12 million voice user and you are charging two or three shillings to call per minute, then you won't get as much profit like before when we used to be charged six and eight shillings repectively per minute.
In simple words the voice market is not as lucrative as it used to be and that's why safaricom is strategically positioning itself for data market.
If there is something that I admire about safaricom is that they have very good strategic plans and with time they will do a come back.
On 9/1/10, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote:
They're playing both teams a few years ago lte and wimax were considered competing technologies so investing in both is win win for them
On 9/1/10, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
On the same note someone has just pointed out to me this
<
http://www.balancingact-africa.com/news/en/issue-no-510/top-story/vodacom-be...
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/14841-Cell-reveals-new-broadband-pri...
50 Rands per GB
regards
Patrick
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Joram Conceding that Safaricom is ahead of the pack...I think the better question is 'For how long?' Safaricom's ability to stay ahead of the pack has been in large part due to their ability to read the market and pre-empt change so that they always seemed a step ahead. Part of the reason I think there is lots of excitement about what is happening is because, for once, they seemed totally taken by surprise by what the Bharti guys did with Zain, and secondly, the manner in which Bharti are coming after them...so brazenly...is the same way that safaricom has dealt with its competition in the past. I think what is worrying is that Safaricom waited so long to 'react' to the market. Whilst everyone else quickly modified their tariffs to either equal or better the Zain offer, Safaricom took its time...not wanting to seem hustled, before launching a month long offer. This I think will turn out to be a big mistake. One of the things that is becoming clear about the mobile market is that the consumer market in Kenya is very fast becoming quite educated. People are not going to stick to a network simply because of the 'loyalty' factor, which was the case 4 or 5 years ago. People are looking for value. When the value differential on cost in negligible, then slowly the market will begin to look for value in other things like quality of service and add-ons. So it is not strange that consumers are not super excited about the latest safaricom offer, that zain is only too happy to remind us is a 'limited term' offer, and is loaded with 'terms and conditions', which aren't applicable with theirs. As far as Data services are concerned...they still aren't the cheapest provider on the market, though they have the best speeds so far, from experience. But once the other operators e.g. Orange, get their game in check...the game will be quite open. Add on to that the fact that the CCK have basically set the 31st of December as the launch date of 'Number Portability', in the country, which will mean, the only reason I will want to stay with Safaricom, is my MPESA account, if ZAP hasn't by then convinced me that they are more widely accessible, and their lower commission rates are worth the shift. And finally, I'm one of those guys who believes that while data is one of the bigger components that MNOs need to look at as their next money making frontier, there will also be the chance to collaborate with developers to launch Phone and SIM based products, that operators can push to their subscribers and make a ton of money off. From past experience, there was a time getting a meeting with the largest players in the market to pitch a simple idea was quite a process for most developers. And that's why I think Bharti's arrival is interesting. Indian Telecom firms have a reputation of being very open and encouraging developers to engage and release new products to their market. If that's what they introduce here with Zain...then perhaps Zain will get their revenge on Safaricom...for what they did to Kencell...years ago! From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Joram Mwinamo Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 9:06 AM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom's Data Strategy If you overlap competitors 10 times, when they recover 1 lap, you are not recovering, you are still way ahead of the pack On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Jac <jack.gathoni@gmail.com> wrote: This is interesting and Safcom is making an early data market penetration when the others are concentrating on voice which I think is a smart move because right now even if you have 12 million voice user and you are charging two or three shillings to call per minute, then you won't get as much profit like before when we used to be charged six and eight shillings repectively per minute. In simple words the voice market is not as lucrative as it used to be and that's why safaricom is strategically positioning itself for data market. If there is something that I admire about safaricom is that they have very good strategic plans and with time they will do a come back. On 9/1/10, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote:
They're playing both teams a few years ago lte and wimax were considered competing technologies so investing in both is win win for them
On 9/1/10, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
On the same note someone has just pointed out to me this
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On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Joshua Mwaniki -MiH IA <Joshua@mocality.com> wrote:
Joram
Conceding that Safaricom is ahead of the pack…I think the better question is ‘For how long?’
Thread hijack.... @Joshua, good to see you on the list. :-) If you have a few moments to spare, would you be able to respond to my query thread on Mocality that I put up. I'm convinced that Mocality is nothing more than a data mining service which is my personal opinion but that is not the issue. Data mining is not illegal if licensed and the operations are within the license obligations eg provider such as that of the mobile content providers. Kenyan businesses are unknowingly installing a software on their handsets that picks sensitive information on location, trends etc with a company that no one know very little about. I believe this is not about a web form or a website thing where one can collect data and call it a day. The cellular data if not in secure hands, can be security threat to the ones who registered, to say the least. Obviously that is not Mocality's intent. Is Mocality Kenya a registered business and licensed by the CCK to provide mobile content services including data mining? Your response will be appreciated. Rgds.
Hi Aki I seem to have seen only parts of your previous thread on Mocality...but must have missed a chunk, seeing some of the issues raised. I'd thought of shooting a quick off the cuff reply to tackle some of the basic questions raised, but I could also tackle everything once and for all in my capacity here as country manager...or even better...get my Ultra Geek CEO, who was on tech crunch the other day to drop in a line on the entire issue...(he's been part of a similar Skunkworks like tech grouping in the UK for years...and loves to engage with techies...) So...just to make sure that we don't miss out anything...how about you just jot down the specific issues..bullet format...and we'll go about responding to every issue? Sounds fair? Then I'll respond. But here's some basic information that could help: Product: Mocality.com (short code: 2202) KE Company: MIH Internet East Africa Ltd. Parent Company: MIH Internet Africa Holding Company: Naspers Ltd. (www.naspers.com) Operating in Kenya since: Early 2009 Mocality Launch: May 2009. Current Biz model: Business Search Directory Listed Business in Nairobi: 60k+ Hope that cuts some of the basic questions down... :-) -----Original Message----- From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of aki Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 1:25 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom's Data Strategy On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Joshua Mwaniki -MiH IA <Joshua@mocality.com> wrote:
Joram
Conceding that Safaricom is ahead of the pack...I think the better question is 'For how long?'
Thread hijack.... @Joshua, good to see you on the list. :-) If you have a few moments to spare, would you be able to respond to my query thread on Mocality that I put up. I'm convinced that Mocality is nothing more than a data mining service which is my personal opinion but that is not the issue. Data mining is not illegal if licensed and the operations are within the license obligations eg provider such as that of the mobile content providers. Kenyan businesses are unknowingly installing a software on their handsets that picks sensitive information on location, trends etc with a company that no one know very little about. I believe this is not about a web form or a website thing where one can collect data and call it a day. The cellular data if not in secure hands, can be security threat to the ones who registered, to say the least. Obviously that is not Mocality's intent. Is Mocality Kenya a registered business and licensed by the CCK to provide mobile content services including data mining? Your response will be appreciated. Rgds. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJx dy1fbjAwOUE&hl=en ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke ##################################################################################### Scanned by MailMarshal - M86 Security's comprehensive email content security solution. Download a free evaluation of MailMarshal at www.m86security.com #####################################################################################
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Joshua Mwaniki -MiH IA <Joshua@mocality.com> wrote:
Hi Aki
I seem to have seen only parts of your previous thread on Mocality...but must have missed a chunk, seeing some of the issues raised.
I'd thought of shooting a quick off the cuff reply to tackle some of the basic questions raised, but I could also tackle everything once and for all in my capacity here as country manager...or even better...get my Ultra Geek CEO, who was on tech crunch the other day to drop in a line on the entire issue...(he's been part of a similar Skunkworks like tech grouping in the UK for years...and loves to engage with techies...)
So...just to make sure that we don't miss out anything...how about you just jot down the specific issues..bullet format...and we'll go about responding to every issue?
Sounds fair?
Then I'll respond.
But here's some basic information that could help:
Product: Mocality.com (short code: 2202) KE Company: MIH Internet East Africa Ltd. Parent Company: MIH Internet Africa Holding Company: Naspers Ltd. (www.naspers.com)
Operating in Kenya since: Early 2009 Mocality Launch: May 2009. Current Biz model: Business Search Directory Listed Business in Nairobi: 60k+
Hope that cuts some of the basic questions down... :-)
@Joshua, firstly thanks for the response. I've always been a believer of right of response so its great to hear from you. :-) Secondly my basic concerns are as follows : 1) Is Mocality Kenya a licensed mobile content provider and within those license provisions are the words data mining included? 2) Has the J2ME software been assessed and passed as a secure product for kenyan cellular business users? 3) Without going into too many specifics on your side, is the database held in a secure facility within kenya or outside and what measures are in place to the effect? 4) What measures has Mocality put in place to counter fraud or misuse against its system? Are there are security certificates that are installed on the client side that would prevent such or is there some sort of system in place that checks the validity of the installed application? 5) From Mocality Kenya's website, it is not clear what is wants to do as a business. In FAQ section, it says this : 23. How does Mocality make a profit? Right now we’re not making a profit at all. The most important thing to us is to create the largest, most relevant business directory in Kenya. We’ll figure out how to make a profit later. 6) Then further to 5 above, on the Terms & Conditions page Section 10 is a pretty hard buy i.e Permission to Use your Content. 10.1. You grant Mocality the irrevocable right to use Your Content for any purpose, including but not limited to the right to reformat it, edit it, publish it, associate it with your User Account name, incorporate it into other works, create derivative works from it, distribute it, promote it, and license these same rights to third parties for use in connection with other media platforms ("Other Media"). 10.2. You grant the Site's Users and the users of any Other Media the irrevocable right to access Your Content in connection with their use of the Site or Service and any Other Media. 10.3. You irrevocably waive, and cause to be waived, any claims and assertions of moral rights or attribution with respect to Your Content. Tie points 5 & 6 together and here are the questions : Why does a service calling itself a " Africa's largest business directory in the making" automatically want exclusive rights to content of the registered user when it has not even defined what the data will be used for? Will the data collected be used by others and to what extent will this affect registered users? Does the registered user have a right to block content that it feels is outside their rights and does the J2ME software provider such filtering? Hope to hear from you and your tech CEO. :-) Rgds.
It is obvious by no that early market entry means nothing, success or failure is determined by the ability to defend your market share. At the current pricing, I am certain that safcom can wrestle marketshare from the likes of Accesskenya, Wananchi etc but will not be able to defend it. Kiania D. On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Jac <jack.gathoni@gmail.com> wrote:
This is interesting and Safcom is making an early data market penetration when the others are concentrating on voice which I think is a smart move because right now even if you have 12 million voice user and you are charging two or three shillings to call per minute, then you won't get as much profit like before when we used to be charged six and eight shillings repectively per minute.
In simple words the voice market is not as lucrative as it used to be and that's why safaricom is strategically positioning itself for data market.
If there is something that I admire about safaricom is that they have very good strategic plans and with time they will do a come back.
On 9/1/10, Gituma Nturibi <gnturibi@gmail.com> wrote:
They're playing both teams a few years ago lte and wimax were considered competing technologies so investing in both is win win for them
On 9/1/10, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
On the same note someone has just pointed out to me this
http://mybroadband.co.za/news/broadband/14841-Cell-reveals-new-broadband-pri...
50 Rands per GB
regards
Patrick
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On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:01 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
It is obvious by no that early market entry means nothing, success or failure is determined by the ability to defend your market share. At the current pricing, I am certain that safcom can wrestle marketshare from the likes of Accesskenya, Wananchi etc but will not be able to defend it
I can bet my life on the fact that once Airtel Kenya goes into data, the whole scenario is going to change, and we can't predict that! Suppose Airtel goes crazy and gives "unlimited 3G" at, say, KES 5,000 per month, will Safcom still compete? Safcom has nothing like unlimited on 3G or does it? Airtel is quite capable of pulling such a fast one, given what they did recently. We'll probably see another "bend over". -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
I had a chance to mull over the same a couple of months ago. My understanding is, Safaricom understands that the tech market is undergoing a lot of drastic and dynamic changes. Actually we know nothing for the next day. And for that, they decided that whatever technology that works for them TODAY, they will deploy it. Buying Wimax companies was the first such decision since Wimax was the first such technology to be adopted enmasse. They wanted to built on something proven and tested, and not start from scratch. The fact is, LTE, 4G or Wimax are transmitting data at almost the same speeds, and thus there are no competing interests. There is no reason to believe the market today will behave the same way tomorrow. Just a few days ago people were lining for the inZain sim cards, now im very such such sims are rotting somewhere on some rusty shelf. The net effect is that Safaricom ended up loosing maybe 10% or 20% of the revenue. inZain ended up bleeding 60-80% of revenue. Now assuming Zain decide to enter the data market with such crazy prices, they will find a formidable competitor aka mother Bee, already established. I wish them well as they bleed to death. Remember Castle Brewing, Furnitureland, Metro Cash & Carry etc. They tried to undercut Kenyan competitors. Kenyans have unique habits, and Safaricom knows it. Ni masaa ya kubamba. Peter On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:01 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
It is obvious by no that early market entry means nothing, success or failure is determined by the ability to defend your market share. At the current pricing, I am certain that safcom can wrestle marketshare from the likes of Accesskenya, Wananchi etc but will not be able to defend it
I can bet my life on the fact that once Airtel Kenya goes into data, the whole scenario is going to change, and we can't predict that! Suppose Airtel goes crazy and gives "unlimited 3G" at, say, KES 5,000 per month, will Safcom still compete? Safcom has nothing like unlimited on 3G or does it? Airtel is quite capable of pulling such a fast one, given what they did recently. We'll probably see another "bend over".
Actually Safcom is in search of bragging rights by announcing they are doing LET trails with Huawei, preempting Airtel's 3G launch. They'll have an opportunity to say they are faster and better (tehehehe), I have never seen Safcom backpedaling and this is very unfamiliar territory for them. I love competition. Kiania On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:01 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
It is obvious by no that early market entry means nothing, success or failure is determined by the ability to defend your market share. At the current pricing, I am certain that safcom can wrestle marketshare from the likes of Accesskenya, Wananchi etc but will not be able to defend it
I can bet my life on the fact that once Airtel Kenya goes into data, the whole scenario is going to change, and we can't predict that! Suppose Airtel goes crazy and gives "unlimited 3G" at, say, KES 5,000 per month, will Safcom still compete? Safcom has nothing like unlimited on 3G or does it? Airtel is quite capable of pulling such a fast one, given what they did recently. We'll probably see another "bend over".
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On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:13 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually Safcom is in search of bragging rights by announcing they are doing LET trails with Huawei, preempting Airtel's 3G launch. They'll have an opportunity to say they are faster and better (tehehehe), I have never seen Safcom backpedaling and this is very unfamiliar territory for them.
Why are we ignoring Orange in all this debate? I just got the 3G+ modem and the speeds are crazy fast! :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
What are the costs compared to queen bee? On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:13 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually Safcom is in search of bragging rights by announcing they are doing LET trails with Huawei, preempting Airtel's 3G launch. They'll have an opportunity to say they are faster and better (tehehehe), I have never seen Safcom backpedaling and this is very unfamiliar territory for them.
Why are we ignoring Orange in all this debate?
I just got the 3G+ modem and the speeds are crazy fast! :-)
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On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:
What are the costs compared to queen bee?
@Joram, Queen Bee sells a 300MB bundle at KES 999<http://safaricom.co.ke/index.php?id=1184>; 1GB at KES 2,499 Orange sells a 500MB bundle at KES 850!<http://orange.co.ke/cont/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=104&Itemid=179>; 1GB at KES 1500!! - that is KES 1,000 saving!!!!!!!!!!!! Bar for the fact that Queen Bee has 3G coverage almost everywhere, I'd have no reason to continue using them. For now I will use Orange as much as possible in Nairobi, and only use Queen Bee when I am out of 3G+ coverage. I thank this gentleman who was swapping his 3G+ modem for a Qeen Bee one. He just opened my eyes - wideeeeer. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
Hello Skunks, Elimu is looking for an IT Intern with web programming skills and PHP/SQL knowledge. Having your own laptop will be an added advantage.:-) Interested applicants can submit their CV's to hr@elimu.co.ke Mungai S. Mbugua Elimu www.elimu.co.ke
:) Finally something for the morning requests..... An opportunity to learn! On 2 September 2010 15:23, <sospeter@elimu.co.ke> wrote:
Hello Skunks,
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Having your own laptop will be an added advantage.:-)
Interested applicants can submit their CV's to hr@elimu.co.ke
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Last year at the EA com, I was fortunate enough to meet the CEO of Huawei Kenya. Back then, there was the excitement around LTE and how its introduction into foreign markets had virtually began making 3G instantly an ‘old’ technology. At the time, Huawei were showcasing Modems that they had already conducted testing on, that were waaay faster than anything on the market. As the standard Modem was capable of giving speeds of 2MB…the modem’s being tested could accommodate speeds of up to 21 meg. And he also told me that they were doing testing of LTE technology with Safaricom, and were hoping to be done in November last year. But since then, there have been no launches of newer faster modems…crazy speeds…despite the cables finally landing. So I don’t think the issue is that Safaricom isn’t familiar with this. I would think they probably have been ready to go with LTE for some time now The question is, why would they go out of their way to introduce new technology that gives out more of their bandwidth, for a lot less money, when they could happily rake in millions if they left things as is? If the competition is nowhere near close to you, and you are making a killing off the market…don’t fix it if it aint broke. I would say the best thing about the entry of Bharti and Airtel, is that they will force the market to develop and move into spaces where the consumer can actually start benefiting from the latest technologies available. Safaricom will finally have competition that drives them back to innovation…and new technologies. From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Odhiambo Washington Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 2:41 PM To: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom's Data Strategy On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 2:13 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote: Actually Safcom is in search of bragging rights by announcing they are doing LET trails with Huawei, preempting Airtel's 3G launch. They'll have an opportunity to say they are faster and better (tehehehe), I have never seen Safcom backpedaling and this is very unfamiliar territory for them. Why are we ignoring Orange in all this debate? I just got the 3G+ modem and the speeds are crazy fast! :-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube ##################################################################################### Scanned by MailMarshal - M86 Security's comprehensive email content security solution. Download a free evaluation of MailMarshal at www.m86security.com #####################################################################################
My pedestrian view is that this is as follows, We all know that data penetration in this country is not even at 20% and yet voice is actually among the highest in Africa. Like wars are won in the air, on the ground and in the sea, so shall it be with data business. They are definitely looking at high speed mobility via LTE, reliable high capacity links via fiber and of-course the quick to execute reasonable broadband d connectivity via WiMax. We all know that WiMax spectrum is never enough that is why there is the element of use and re-use of spectrum on a base station. Still this is not enough because most of the spectrum owners have just about 7Ghz of capacity. This will never be enough especially in high density areas such as cities which have radios all over the joint. It is for this reason that any service provider looking at growing the cake would want to lay their hands on any available capacity even if it is for the sake of mitigating against interference within the network. Besides, it would make more sense to put a wireless base station in a small city than lay fiber to serve just 200 customers (the figure here hypothetical). Remember, when the ARPU's on voice begin shrinking, growth has to come from somewhere. BR, Shim... On 9/1/2010 11:12 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd wrote:
Could someone who understands Safcom's data strategy explain it to me in English. According to press reports they have began technical trials on 4G (LTE - Long Term Evolution) with Huawei. At the same time they have been on an acquisition spree swallowing each and every WIMAX operator in the country.
Already they are the largest ISP and Data company in Kenya, LTE will allow them to do faster data speeds and wide coverage. So why in the world to they have to acquire Instaconnet and the rest? Are they buying customers? They don't need to given they are the largest brand already.
SOS (Saidiaa OOOh Saidia).
Kiania D.
Additionally, WiMAX will not last for long - very few major vendors are investing in continuous R & D in Wimax.Mobile Wimax is still a mirage.It's not good for spectrum efficiency, and re-use. A good number of speculative companies acquired small chunks of spectrum from CCK and rarely used them. Hence Safaricom trying to consolidate this Spectrum. LTE is the future and it's here. There have been successful trials in Nigeria and South Africa on the continent earlier in the year, achieving upto 70 Mbps on the DL.Initially designed for 2.6 GHz but ITU encouraging regulators to free up 600 - 700 MHz for better coverage. Current dongles are not multiband but next commercial releases will be able to support GSM/3G as well, hence having a seamless integration with older technologies for handling inter technology handovers, as these can be implemented on same BTS sites as GSM/3G. With the LTE access bandwidth operators will be able to do quadraple play with providing savings on spectrum but with similar QoS. Obviously Safaricom needs to increase wallet share as voice ARPUs decline steadily. With their P&L it's not difficult to see why they are pioneering LTE in Kenya. rgds, William Baraza
My pedestrian view is that this is as follows, We all know that data penetration in this country is not even at 20% and yet voice is actually among the highest in Africa. Like wars are won in the air, on the ground and in the sea, so shall it be with data business. They are definitely looking at high speed mobility via LTE, reliable high capacity links via fiber and of-course the quick to execute reasonable broadband d connectivity via WiMax. We all know that WiMax spectrum is never enough that is why there is the element of use and re-use of spectrum on a base station. Still this is not enough because most of the spectrum owners have just about 7Ghz of capacity. This will never be enough especially in high density areas such as cities which have radios all over the joint. It is for this reason that any service provider looking at growing the cake would want to lay their hands on any available capacity even if it is for the sake of mitigating against interference within the network. Besides, it would make more sense to put a wireless base station in a small city than lay fiber to serve just 200 customers (the figure here hypothetical). Remember, when the ARPU's on voice begin shrinking, growth has to come from somewhere.
BR, Shim...
On 9/1/2010 11:12 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd wrote:
Could someone who understands Safcom's data strategy explain it to me in English. According to press reports they have began technical trials on 4G (LTE - Long Term Evolution) with Huawei. At the same time they have been on an acquisition spree swallowing each and every WIMAX operator in the country.
Already they are the largest ISP and Data company in Kenya, LTE will allow them to do faster data speeds and wide coverage. So why in the world to they have to acquire Instaconnet and the rest? Are they buying customers? They don't need to given they are the largest brand already.
SOS (Saidiaa OOOh Saidia).
Kiania D.
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I wonder if Zain/Airtel reads this ... and what do they think ..... On 2 September 2010 21:21, <baraza@africaonline.co.ke> wrote:
Additionally, WiMAX will not last for long - very few major vendors are investing in continuous R & D in Wimax.Mobile Wimax is still a mirage.It's not good for spectrum efficiency, and re-use. A good number of speculative companies acquired small chunks of spectrum from CCK and rarely used them. Hence Safaricom trying to consolidate this Spectrum.
LTE is the future and it's here. There have been successful trials in Nigeria and South Africa on the continent earlier in the year, achieving upto 70 Mbps on the DL.Initially designed for 2.6 GHz but ITU encouraging regulators to free up 600 - 700 MHz for better coverage. Current dongles are not multiband but next commercial releases will be able to support GSM/3G as well, hence having a seamless integration with older technologies for handling inter technology handovers, as these can be implemented on same BTS sites as GSM/3G. With the LTE access bandwidth operators will be able to do quadraple play with providing savings on spectrum but with similar QoS.
Obviously Safaricom needs to increase wallet share as voice ARPUs decline steadily. With their P&L it's not difficult to see why they are pioneering LTE in Kenya.
rgds, William Baraza
My pedestrian view is that this is as follows, We all know that data penetration in this country is not even at 20% and yet voice is actually among the highest in Africa. Like wars are won in the air, on the ground and in the sea, so shall it be with data business. They are definitely looking at high speed mobility via LTE, reliable high capacity links via fiber and of-course the quick to execute reasonable broadband d connectivity via WiMax. We all know that WiMax spectrum is never enough that is why there is the element of use and re-use of spectrum on a base station. Still this is not enough because most of the spectrum owners have just about 7Ghz of capacity. This will never be enough especially in high density areas such as cities which have radios all over the joint. It is for this reason that any service provider looking at growing the cake would want to lay their hands on any available capacity even if it is for the sake of mitigating against interference within the network. Besides, it would make more sense to put a wireless base station in a small city than lay fiber to serve just 200 customers (the figure here hypothetical). Remember, when the ARPU's on voice begin shrinking, growth has to come from somewhere.
BR, Shim...
On 9/1/2010 11:12 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd wrote:
Could someone who understands Safcom's data strategy explain it to me in English. According to press reports they have began technical trials on 4G (LTE - Long Term Evolution) with Huawei. At the same time they have been on an acquisition spree swallowing each and every WIMAX operator in the country.
Already they are the largest ISP and Data company in Kenya, LTE will allow them to do faster data speeds and wide coverage. So why in the world to they have to acquire Instaconnet and the rest? Are they buying customers? They don't need to given they are the largest brand already.
SOS (Saidiaa OOOh Saidia).
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@Baraza, you have made alot of sense, and it's apparent Safaricom is buying spectrum not technology or skills (as someone alluded) . It is common knowledge that WIMAX is dead, and upon realizing this the ISPs know they'll be holding onto air, and obsolete equipment. So when Queen Money Bugs comes calling they are more than glad to bail. Sad thing though is frequency is owned by the regulator CCK, and they reassign them as they wish. Ask Rwandatel and MTN in Rwanda. Am enlightened Kiania On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:21 PM, <baraza@africaonline.co.ke> wrote:
Additionally, WiMAX will not last for long - very few major vendors are investing in continuous R & D in Wimax.Mobile Wimax is still a mirage.It's not good for spectrum efficiency, and re-use. A good number of speculative companies acquired small chunks of spectrum from CCK and rarely used them. Hence Safaricom trying to consolidate this Spectrum.
LTE is the future and it's here. There have been successful trials in Nigeria and South Africa on the continent earlier in the year, achieving upto 70 Mbps on the DL.Initially designed for 2.6 GHz but ITU encouraging regulators to free up 600 - 700 MHz for better coverage. Current dongles are not multiband but next commercial releases will be able to support GSM/3G as well, hence having a seamless integration with older technologies for handling inter technology handovers, as these can be implemented on same BTS sites as GSM/3G. With the LTE access bandwidth operators will be able to do quadraple play with providing savings on spectrum but with similar QoS.
Obviously Safaricom needs to increase wallet share as voice ARPUs decline steadily. With their P&L it's not difficult to see why they are pioneering LTE in Kenya.
rgds, William Baraza
My pedestrian view is that this is as follows, We all know that data penetration in this country is not even at 20% and yet voice is actually among the highest in Africa. Like wars are won in the air, on the ground and in the sea, so shall it be with data business. They are definitely looking at high speed mobility via LTE, reliable high capacity links via fiber and of-course the quick to execute reasonable broadband d connectivity via WiMax. We all know that WiMax spectrum is never enough that is why there is the element of use and re-use of spectrum on a base station. Still this is not enough because most of the spectrum owners have just about 7Ghz of capacity. This will never be enough especially in high density areas such as cities which have radios all over the joint. It is for this reason that any service provider looking at growing the cake would want to lay their hands on any available capacity even if it is for the sake of mitigating against interference within the network. Besides, it would make more sense to put a wireless base station in a small city than lay fiber to serve just 200 customers (the figure here hypothetical). Remember, when the ARPU's on voice begin shrinking, growth has to come from somewhere.
BR, Shim...
On 9/1/2010 11:12 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd wrote:
Could someone who understands Safcom's data strategy explain it to me in English. According to press reports they have began technical trials on 4G (LTE - Long Term Evolution) with Huawei. At the same time they have been on an acquisition spree swallowing each and every WIMAX operator in the country.
Already they are the largest ISP and Data company in Kenya, LTE will allow them to do faster data speeds and wide coverage. So why in the world to they have to acquire Instaconnet and the rest? Are they buying customers? They don't need to given they are the largest brand already.
SOS (Saidiaa OOOh Saidia).
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Safcom AGM was quite stormy once again management is not used to being asked hard questions from shareholders. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-h4VcaK-jc&feature=channel Seems there's no end to the backpedaling ;-) On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:12 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
@Baraza, you have made alot of sense, and it's apparent Safaricom is buying spectrum not technology or skills (as someone alluded) . It is common knowledge that WIMAX is dead, and upon realizing this the ISPs know they'll be holding onto air, and obsolete equipment. So when Queen Money Bugs comes calling they are more than glad to bail.
Sad thing though is frequency is owned by the regulator CCK, and they reassign them as they wish. Ask Rwandatel and MTN in Rwanda.
Am enlightened
Kiania
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:21 PM, <baraza@africaonline.co.ke> wrote:
Additionally, WiMAX will not last for long - very few major vendors are investing in continuous R & D in Wimax.Mobile Wimax is still a mirage.It's not good for spectrum efficiency, and re-use. A good number of speculative companies acquired small chunks of spectrum from CCK and rarely used them. Hence Safaricom trying to consolidate this Spectrum.
LTE is the future and it's here. There have been successful trials in Nigeria and South Africa on the continent earlier in the year, achieving upto 70 Mbps on the DL.Initially designed for 2.6 GHz but ITU encouraging regulators to free up 600 - 700 MHz for better coverage. Current dongles are not multiband but next commercial releases will be able to support GSM/3G as well, hence having a seamless integration with older technologies for handling inter technology handovers, as these can be implemented on same BTS sites as GSM/3G. With the LTE access bandwidth operators will be able to do quadraple play with providing savings on spectrum but with similar QoS.
Obviously Safaricom needs to increase wallet share as voice ARPUs decline steadily. With their P&L it's not difficult to see why they are pioneering LTE in Kenya.
rgds, William Baraza
My pedestrian view is that this is as follows, We all know that data penetration in this country is not even at 20% and yet voice is actually among the highest in Africa. Like wars are won in the air, on the ground and in the sea, so shall it be with data business. They are definitely looking at high speed mobility via LTE, reliable high capacity links via fiber and of-course the quick to execute reasonable broadband d connectivity via WiMax. We all know that WiMax spectrum is never enough that is why there is the element of use and re-use of spectrum on a base station. Still this is not enough because most of the spectrum owners have just about 7Ghz of capacity. This will never be enough especially in high density areas such as cities which have radios all over the joint. It is for this reason that any service provider looking at growing the cake would want to lay their hands on any available capacity even if it is for the sake of mitigating against interference within the network. Besides, it would make more sense to put a wireless base station in a small city than lay fiber to serve just 200 customers (the figure here hypothetical). Remember, when the ARPU's on voice begin shrinking, growth has to come from somewhere.
BR, Shim...
On 9/1/2010 11:12 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd wrote:
Could someone who understands Safcom's data strategy explain it to me in English. According to press reports they have began technical trials on 4G (LTE - Long Term Evolution) with Huawei. At the same time they have been on an acquisition spree swallowing each and every WIMAX operator in the country.
Already they are the largest ISP and Data company in Kenya, LTE will allow them to do faster data speeds and wide coverage. So why in the world to they have to acquire Instaconnet and the rest? Are they buying customers? They don't need to given they are the largest brand already.
SOS (Saidiaa OOOh Saidia).
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WiMAX frequency is scarce and, some firms(read: individuals)scrambled for these frequencies early enough with very little intention of rolling out.Contrary to popular belief, larger operators find it easier to acquire these small WiMAX firms(read:individuals) for their frequencies more than anything else....However, analog TV bands (700 MHz) may become available for WiMAX usage, but await the complete roll out of digital TV ... In the US, the FCC auction for this spectrum began in January 2008 and, as a result, the biggest share of the spectrum went to Verizon Wireless and the next biggest to AT&T. Both of these companies have stated their intention of supporting LTE, a technology which competes directly with WiMAX. CCK have little to gain by hoarding WiMAX frequencies.... ./bernard On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:12 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
@Baraza, you have made alot of sense, and it's apparent Safaricom is buying spectrum not technology or skills (as someone alluded) . It is common knowledge that WIMAX is dead, and upon realizing this the ISPs know they'll be holding onto air, and obsolete equipment. So when Queen Money Bugs comes calling they are more than glad to bail.
Sad thing though is frequency is owned by the regulator CCK, and they reassign them as they wish. Ask Rwandatel and MTN in Rwanda.
Am enlightened
Kiania
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 9:21 PM, <baraza@africaonline.co.ke> wrote:
Additionally, WiMAX will not last for long - very few major vendors are investing in continuous R & D in Wimax.Mobile Wimax is still a mirage.It's not good for spectrum efficiency, and re-use. A good number of speculative companies acquired small chunks of spectrum from CCK and rarely used them. Hence Safaricom trying to consolidate this Spectrum.
LTE is the future and it's here. There have been successful trials in Nigeria and South Africa on the continent earlier in the year, achieving upto 70 Mbps on the DL.Initially designed for 2.6 GHz but ITU encouraging regulators to free up 600 - 700 MHz for better coverage. Current dongles are not multiband but next commercial releases will be able to support GSM/3G as well, hence having a seamless integration with older technologies for handling inter technology handovers, as these can be implemented on same BTS sites as GSM/3G. With the LTE access bandwidth operators will be able to do quadraple play with providing savings on spectrum but with similar QoS.
Obviously Safaricom needs to increase wallet share as voice ARPUs decline steadily. With their P&L it's not difficult to see why they are pioneering LTE in Kenya.
rgds, William Baraza
My pedestrian view is that this is as follows, We all know that data penetration in this country is not even at 20% and yet voice is actually among the highest in Africa. Like wars are won in the air, on the ground and in the sea, so shall it be with data business. They are definitely looking at high speed mobility via LTE, reliable high capacity links via fiber and of-course the quick to execute reasonable broadband d connectivity via WiMax. We all know that WiMax spectrum is never enough that is why there is the element of use and re-use of spectrum on a base station. Still this is not enough because most of the spectrum owners have just about 7Ghz of capacity. This will never be enough especially in high density areas such as cities which have radios all over the joint. It is for this reason that any service provider looking at growing the cake would want to lay their hands on any available capacity even if it is for the sake of mitigating against interference within the network. Besides, it would make more sense to put a wireless base station in a small city than lay fiber to serve just 200 customers (the figure here hypothetical). Remember, when the ARPU's on voice begin shrinking, growth has to come from somewhere.
BR, Shim...
On 9/1/2010 11:12 AM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd wrote:
Could someone who understands Safcom's data strategy explain it to me in English. According to press reports they have began technical trials on 4G (LTE - Long Term Evolution) with Huawei. At the same time they have been on an acquisition spree swallowing each and every WIMAX operator in the country.
Already they are the largest ISP and Data company in Kenya, LTE will allow them to do faster data speeds and wide coverage. So why in the world to they have to acquire Instaconnet and the rest? Are they buying customers? They don't need to given they are the largest brand already.
SOS (Saidiaa OOOh Saidia).
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Looks like Safcom is working out a strategy. They now have an "unlimited internet" offer that rolls through a given month, only that you get to enjoy 3G speeds to a certain bundle threshold. Thereafter, your speeds are throttled depending on the bundle you had purchased (Top-up amount). Can someone kindly confirm that this is the case? See the attached advert.
Looks like Safcom is working out a strategy. They now have an "unlimited internet" offer that rolls through a given month, only that you get to enjoy 3G speeds to a certain bundle threshold. Thereafter, your speeds are throttled depending on the bundle you had purchased (Top-up amount). Can someone kindly confirm that this is the case? See the attached advert.
Ads are out on Today's dailies about new internet offers. From what I understand, once you buy the bundles between 300 Mb - 1Gb at thier current prices, you enjoy unlimited internet for a month since date of purchase after the bundles expire. However, the catch will be speed caps at 32 Kbps for 300 Mb, 64Kbps for 700Mb and 128 Kbps for 1Gb. This should explain the "new system" that has been responsible for dissapearing credit over the last few weeks
Ads are out on Today's dailies about new internet offers. From what I understand, once you buy the bundles between 300 Mb - 1Gb at thier current prices, you enjoy unlimited internet for a month since date of purchase after the bundles expire. However, the catch will be speed caps at 32 Kbps for 300 Mb, 64Kbps for 700Mb and 128 Kbps for 1Gb.
Dennis, So long as we talk of '300mb, 1gb' we cant talk of *unlimited*. Or am missing something ? From what you have described above, this looks more like an added restriction on internet usage since now a 3g dongle (capable of upto 7mbps) will be throttled to only give luser 32kbps.
Methinks it's just marketing word-play. "Unlimited" refers to the internet access (where limit=complete DOS), not the speeds nor the bundle. Just a clever catchy tag on the bundles being sold.
If you deplete the bundle before the expiry period, you will still browse free but at a reduced QoS.That's what unlimited means here. Bernard On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a clever catchy tag on the bundles being sold.
In that case, not very clever ..
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http://www.google.co.ke/search?hl=en&q=define:unlimited&btnG=Google+Search My preferred one: inexhaustible: that cannot be entirely consumed or used up; "an inexhaustible supply of coal" wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn<http://www.google.co.ke/url?q=http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn%3Fs%3Dunlimited&sa=X&ei=RbaQTKqIKM6OjAfz1IiODQ&ved=0CBUQpAMoAA&usg=AFQjCNHYGtBqATIY2dqbm9wb3maun7rIvw> -- Josiah Mugambi On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
If you deplete the bundle before the expiry period, you will still browse free but at a reduced QoS.That's what unlimited means here.
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Just a clever catchy tag on the bundles being sold.
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Well, It seems that Safaricom has redefined the word unlimited. Wonder what is in their dictionary for other words :). A On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.google.co.ke/search?hl=en&q=define:unlimited&btnG=Google+Search
My preferred one:
inexhaustible: that cannot be entirely consumed or used up; "an inexhaustible supply of coal" wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn<http://www.google.co.ke/url?q=http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn%3Fs%3Dunlimited&sa=X&ei=RbaQTKqIKM6OjAfz1IiODQ&ved=0CBUQpAMoAA&usg=AFQjCNHYGtBqATIY2dqbm9wb3maun7rIvw>
-- Josiah Mugambi
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
If you deplete the bundle before the expiry period, you will still browse free but at a reduced QoS.That's what unlimited means here.
Bernard
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a clever catchy tag on the bundles being sold.
In that case, not very clever ..
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In short this is 128Kbps at 3K for the month? 64 Kbps at 2K a month? etc ... On 15 September 2010 15:11, Andrew Wafula <awafula@gmail.com> wrote:
Well,
It seems that Safaricom has redefined the word unlimited. Wonder what is in their dictionary for other words :).
A
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com>wrote:
http://www.google.co.ke/search?hl=en&q=define:unlimited&btnG=Google+Search
My preferred one:
inexhaustible: that cannot be entirely consumed or used up; "an inexhaustible supply of coal" wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn<http://www.google.co.ke/url?q=http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn%3Fs%3Dunlimited&sa=X&ei=RbaQTKqIKM6OjAfz1IiODQ&ved=0CBUQpAMoAA&usg=AFQjCNHYGtBqATIY2dqbm9wb3maun7rIvw>
-- Josiah Mugambi
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
If you deplete the bundle before the expiry period, you will still browse free but at a reduced QoS.That's what unlimited means here.
Bernard
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a clever catchy tag on the bundles being sold.
In that case, not very clever ..
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Actually the word "unlimited' as I read it is not being redefined...if the guy that sold me my motorbike told me it had unlimited speed and removed the speedometer, I would never be bothered that its top speed is 320Kmph.I've never hit more than 190 .... most (please don't bash me for saying 'most') internet users regular usage at any one time rarely goes beyond 24 - 50kbps (graph your connection during regular browsing) ...... for this users, this offer is perfect..... ...to explain it a little further; on a highway (even kenyan ones), you do have UNLIMITED access to the roads, you can use it as much as you want ;to go wherever you want; as many times as you want; you just can't drive as FAST as you want....for several reasons, often good reasons, the best one being that there are other road users....:-) So in this case you do have unlimited access to the internet from Safaricom through their network on those advertised bundles, you can browse/go anywhere anytime, use whatever protocol etc...just not as fast as you want. ..for heavy users and maybe if you need sustained high throughputs; more than the 'throttled' out of purchased bundle speeds, a call to the safaricom business unit should resolve your problem, whether or not it costs more is fully dependent on your requirements. HTH... Regards, JGitau On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
In short this is 128Kbps at 3K for the month? 64 Kbps at 2K a month? etc ...
On 15 September 2010 15:11, Andrew Wafula <awafula@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, It seems that Safaricom has redefined the word unlimited. Wonder what is in their dictionary for other words :). A
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.google.co.ke/search?hl=en&q=define:unlimited&btnG=Google+Search
My preferred one: inexhaustible: that cannot be entirely consumed or used up; "an inexhaustible supply of coal" wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn -- Josiah Mugambi
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
If you deplete the bundle before the expiry period, you will still browse free but at a reduced QoS.That's what unlimited means here. Bernard
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> wrote:
Just a clever catchy tag on the bundles being sold.
In that case, not very clever ..
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Gitau, 3g speeds can go upto 7mBps, whether this is theory or happens in practice is a subject already in the list archives (many a midnight skunker has posted screenshots of download speeds that made us go 'wooow'). And so reducing these speeds to a paltry 30kpbs isnt exactly what you would call adding value to the service or enhancing it , nay, it is a downgrade. Calling deliberately capped 30kbps speeds 'Unlimited' is actually an assault on the Queen's language, if not on our intelligence. It is also by now a futile argument that 'Unlimited' might have been a reference to the seemingly inexhaustible 300mb, 1000mb, 2000mb,etc bundles. Please have a look at the jpeg attached in an earlier post and you will agree that the ad aimed to deceive (rather indiscreetly) and fell way below par, taking the English language with it.. :-) On 15 September 2010 13:21, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually the word "unlimited' as I read it is not being redefined...if the guy that sold me my motorbike told me it had unlimited speed and removed the speedometer, I would never be bothered that its top speed is 320Kmph.I've never hit more than 190 .... most (please don't bash me for saying 'most') internet users regular usage at any one time rarely goes beyond 24 - 50kbps (graph your connection during regular browsing) ...... for this users, this offer is perfect.....
...to explain it a little further; on a highway (even kenyan ones), you do have UNLIMITED access to the roads, you can use it as much as you want ;to go wherever you want; as many times as you want; you just can't drive as FAST as you want....for several reasons, often good reasons, the best one being that there are other road users....:-)
So in this case you do have unlimited access to the internet from Safaricom through their network on those advertised bundles, you can browse/go anywhere anytime, use whatever protocol etc...just not as fast as you want.
..for heavy users and maybe if you need sustained high throughputs; more than the 'throttled' out of purchased bundle speeds, a call to the safaricom business unit should resolve your problem, whether or not it costs more is fully dependent on your requirements.
HTH...
Regards, JGitau
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
In short this is 128Kbps at 3K for the month? 64 Kbps at 2K a month? etc ...
On 15 September 2010 15:11, Andrew Wafula <awafula@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, It seems that Safaricom has redefined the word unlimited. Wonder what is in their dictionary for other words :). A
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.google.co.ke/search?hl=en&q=define:unlimited&btnG=Google+Search
My preferred one: inexhaustible: that cannot be entirely consumed or used up; "an inexhaustible supply of coal" wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn -- Josiah Mugambi
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
If you deplete the bundle before the expiry period, you will still browse free but at a reduced QoS.That's what unlimited means here. Bernard
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Just a clever catchy tag on the bundles being sold. >
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Which part of the "Offer" is "unlimited".. The "offer" to allow us poor souls to hop on the saf-con wagon The "offer" to allow us spend our hard earned cash on bundles, promoting the mighty saf-con The "offer" to further browse "unlimited" at capped speeds The "offer" to then get disconnected after 30 days? I feel like i have been "offered" to hire and drive a ferrari in UMOJA Estate! On a Sunday Evening! Not cheap, and not fast either.... My two cents. Sam On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> wrote:
Gitau,
3g speeds can go upto 7mBps, whether this is theory or happens in practice is a subject already in the list archives (many a midnight skunker has posted screenshots of download speeds that made us go 'wooow'). And so reducing these speeds to a paltry 30kpbs isnt exactly what you would call adding value to the service or enhancing it , nay, it is a downgrade. Calling deliberately capped 30kbps speeds 'Unlimited' is actually an assault on the Queen's language, if not on our intelligence.
It is also by now a futile argument that 'Unlimited' might have been a reference to the seemingly inexhaustible 300mb, 1000mb, 2000mb,etc bundles.
Please have a look at the jpeg attached in an earlier post and you will agree that the ad aimed to deceive (rather indiscreetly) and fell way below par, taking the English language with it.. :-)
On 15 September 2010 13:21, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually the word "unlimited' as I read it is not being redefined...if the guy that sold me my motorbike told me it had unlimited speed and removed the speedometer, I would never be bothered that its top speed is 320Kmph.I've never hit more than 190 .... most (please don't bash me for saying 'most') internet users regular usage at any one time rarely goes beyond 24 - 50kbps (graph your connection during regular browsing) ...... for this users, this offer is perfect.....
...to explain it a little further; on a highway (even kenyan ones), you do have UNLIMITED access to the roads, you can use it as much as you want ;to go wherever you want; as many times as you want; you just can't drive as FAST as you want....for several reasons, often good reasons, the best one being that there are other road users....:-)
So in this case you do have unlimited access to the internet from Safaricom through their network on those advertised bundles, you can browse/go anywhere anytime, use whatever protocol etc...just not as fast as you want.
..for heavy users and maybe if you need sustained high throughputs; more than the 'throttled' out of purchased bundle speeds, a call to the safaricom business unit should resolve your problem, whether or not it costs more is fully dependent on your requirements.
HTH...
Regards, JGitau
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:58 PM, Watson Kambo <wkwats@gmail.com> wrote:
In short this is 128Kbps at 3K for the month? 64 Kbps at 2K a month? etc ...
On 15 September 2010 15:11, Andrew Wafula <awafula@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, It seems that Safaricom has redefined the word unlimited. Wonder what
is
in their dictionary for other words :). A
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.google.co.ke/search?hl=en&q=define:unlimited&btnG=Google+Search
My preferred one: inexhaustible: that cannot be entirely consumed or used up; "an inexhaustible supply of coal" wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn -- Josiah Mugambi
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
If you deplete the bundle before the expiry period, you will still browse free but at a reduced QoS.That's what unlimited means here. Bernard
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On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Ads are out on Today's dailies about new internet offers. From what I understand, once you buy the bundles between 300 Mb - 1Gb at thier current prices, you enjoy unlimited internet for a month since date of purchase after the bundles expire. However, the catch will be speed caps at 32 Kbps for 300 Mb, 64Kbps for 700Mb and 128 Kbps for 1Gb.
What determines the speed cap you are tied to? The last top up value?? Since bundle portion can spill to "next month", this needs to be clarified, at least for me. WTF are the speed caps for? It's really a stupid idea. Safaricom still likes treating users accordingly to their "poverty" or otherwise levels. PS: I hope Orange is watching this, and Zain too:-) -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
@wash, money you have to spend does determine what you can get in both quantity and quality - for everything, It's a rather annoying unfortunate reality to deal with and as far as the speed debate goes, obscuring facts with controversy doesn't help much. IMHO: unfortunately times have changed. by the arguments being pushed on the list, if an ISP connects me on ethernet I should expect in theory 100mbps? (assume thats the interface speed). This particular debate has been ongoing for a while now elsewhere (google for 'net neutrality' and or other applicable terms)....how it ends is really up to the operators/regulators and to some extent consumers. In the US, the government/FCC is very involved on even whether ISP's are allowed to even 'open inspect and umm throttle' packets (like torrents). The one thing I can pretty much foresee is there won't be free lunch, someone has to pay for bandwidth and other resources - thats a fact...either way we're in for exciting times. On this list perhaps we can debate and agree on what we'd like to see, how we would like to have the services we require packaged and delivered to us; because I'm sure someone will point out from the links below that we are not in the US, or europe and we should probably come up with home grown solutions......I for instance would probably like to see free & 'unlimited' speeds for local content or all sites in an indigenous language:-) end to end in and out of bundle or whatever a provider decides to sell in the hope that local data centers/kixp/my=your home servers etc start seeing more traffic..... http://www.mttlr.org/volfifteen/gioia.pdf http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2008/06/05/comcast_blacklists/ http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/news/index.cfm?newsid=116790 http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Sprint-Planning-To-Throttle-Wireless-Cust... http://hothardware.com/News/Google_To_Develop_ISP_Throttling_Detector/ http://www.formortals.com/?p=71 http://gigaom.com/2010/04/13/do-neutral-wireless-networks-require-an-end-to-... JGitau On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 5:36 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Ads are out on Today's dailies about new internet offers. From what I understand, once you buy the bundles between 300 Mb - 1Gb at thier current prices, you enjoy unlimited internet for a month since date of purchase after the bundles expire. However, the catch will be speed caps at 32 Kbps for 300 Mb, 64Kbps for 700Mb and 128 Kbps for 1Gb.
What determines the speed cap you are tied to? The last top up value?? Since bundle portion can spill to "next month", this needs to be clarified, at least for me. WTF are the speed caps for? It's really a stupid idea. Safaricom still likes treating users accordingly to their "poverty" or otherwise levels.
PS: I hope Orange is watching this, and Zain too:-)
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John, If I may get the gist of your argument is 'different levels of service for different internet users' (Vodafone Group CEO). So we are moving from just selling the content to combination of both content and level of service. That would be very innovative from a money making perspective and if I was MJ with pressure from shareholders to justify capital outlay on capacity leased or bought on Sea cables would readily go for it. Having said that from a end user perspective I really feel slighted when first you get me used to 3G speeds and then at some point later you tell me that from now own for you to enjoy the same content you will be enjoying at a much lower class of service unless you pay for it. Am sure with other options( better or best) being availed in the market am sure the competition will make a kill out of this. IMHO Kenyan data market has not reached saturation point in terms of critical mass to warrant differentiated class of service. I think safaricom can make more money by growing more data subscribers than making more money from the existing ones. Am sure the competition is watching with glee. conclusion It is good Safaricom have built the capacity to be able to do this, but you are way too ahead of the Kenyan market to introduce it now. regards Patrick
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:37 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
@wash, money you have to spend does determine what you can get in both quantity and quality - for everything, It's a rather annoying unfortunate reality to deal with and as far as the speed debate goes, obscuring facts with controversy doesn't help much.
IMHO: unfortunately times have changed. by the arguments being pushed on the list, if an ISP connects me on ethernet I should expect in theory 100mbps? (assume thats the interface speed). This particular debate has been ongoing for a while now elsewhere (google for 'net neutrality' and or other applicable terms)....how it ends is really up to the operators/regulators and to some extent consumers. In the US, the government/FCC is very involved on even whether ISP's are allowed to even 'open inspect and umm throttle' packets (like torrents).
The one thing I can pretty much foresee is there won't be free lunch, someone has to pay for bandwidth and other resources - thats a fact...either way we're in for exciting times.
John What I mean by stupid is the fact that now, depending on the bundle I buy, I will get a certain speed! This does not make sense, coming from a situation where speeds were uniform, only the lunch plate was bigger. I see no logic in this, but Safaricom could be having a strategy that I can't "see". I can swear that people will flock to the provider who gives you the very same "githeri fried with matumbo", but only different size of servings, depending on how much you have. When it comes to Internet speeds on the same medium, quality should not be an issue, but quantity. Maybe I am still not clear, but I hope you can understand my position. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
All we need now is for Zain to rollout 3G and come up with an Inzain pricing model. Something like what traditional ISP's like Africa Online and Wananchi use. That would be awesome! On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:37 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
@wash, money you have to spend does determine what you can get in both quantity and quality - for everything, It's a rather annoying unfortunate reality to deal with and as far as the speed debate goes, obscuring facts with controversy doesn't help much.
IMHO: unfortunately times have changed. by the arguments being pushed on the list, if an ISP connects me on ethernet I should expect in theory 100mbps? (assume thats the interface speed). This particular debate has been ongoing for a while now elsewhere (google for 'net neutrality' and or other applicable terms)....how it ends is really up to the operators/regulators and to some extent consumers. In the US, the government/FCC is very involved on even whether ISP's are allowed to even 'open inspect and umm throttle' packets (like torrents).
The one thing I can pretty much foresee is there won't be free lunch, someone has to pay for bandwidth and other resources - thats a fact...either way we're in for exciting times.
John
What I mean by stupid is the fact that now, depending on the bundle I buy, I will get a certain speed! This does not make sense, coming from a situation where speeds were uniform, only the lunch plate was bigger. I see no logic in this, but Safaricom could be having a strategy that I can't "see". I can swear that people will flock to the provider who gives you the very same "githeri fried with matumbo", but only different size of servings, depending on how much you have. When it comes to Internet speeds on the same medium, quality should not be an issue, but quantity. Maybe I am still not clear, but I hope you can understand my position.
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I think what Orange is offering is way ahead in terms of quality and quantity. On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:36 AM, John Doe <fivepings@gmail.com> wrote:
All we need now is for Zain to rollout 3G and come up with an Inzain pricing model. Something like what traditional ISP's like Africa Online and Wananchi use. That would be awesome!
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:
On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 7:37 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
@wash, money you have to spend does determine what you can get in both quantity and quality - for everything, It's a rather annoying unfortunate reality to deal with and as far as the speed debate goes, obscuring facts with controversy doesn't help much.
IMHO: unfortunately times have changed. by the arguments being pushed on the list, if an ISP connects me on ethernet I should expect in theory 100mbps? (assume thats the interface speed). This particular debate has been ongoing for a while now elsewhere (google for 'net neutrality' and or other applicable terms)....how it ends is really up to the operators/regulators and to some extent consumers. In the US, the government/FCC is very involved on even whether ISP's are allowed to even 'open inspect and umm throttle' packets (like torrents).
The one thing I can pretty much foresee is there won't be free lunch, someone has to pay for bandwidth and other resources - thats a fact...either way we're in for exciting times.
John
What I mean by stupid is the fact that now, depending on the bundle I buy, I will get a certain speed! This does not make sense, coming from a situation where speeds were uniform, only the lunch plate was bigger. I see no logic in this, but Safaricom could be having a strategy that I can't "see". I can swear that people will flock to the provider who gives you the very same "githeri fried with matumbo", but only different size of servings, depending on how much you have. When it comes to Internet speeds on the same medium, quality should not be an issue, but quantity. Maybe I am still not clear, but I hope you can understand my position.
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@Dominic how did you get to reload you EVDO modem. Their web portal is not responding.
hi job, check out http://orange.co.ke/cont/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=104&It... details and instructions on top up. On 16 September 2010 13:54, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dominic how did you get to reload you EVDO modem. Their web portal is not responding. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet
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My EVDO is not ruim base. I use the BB number. I could only use the web portal which doesn' work most of the time.
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Hi, For the new Safarciom unlimited offer it has been clarified to me that the rate limitation will only apply when you have exhausted your bundle and withing the month. It has also been clarified that whether you are on 300Mb bundle or 1Gb bundle u will enjoy the same 3G speeds. So in comparison to the previous bundles when you exhausted your bundle you were charged 8/= per Mb or if you don't have credit cant browse at all. The new offer will allow you to browse for the remaining part of the month even(unlimited internet) if you don't have credit but the speeds will be throttled depending on the Bundle you had subscribed to. John, I stand to be corrected or hopefully someone from safaricom marketing can officially make a position on this regards Patrick
well @patrick it did seem that way from the adverts, (at least thats what i got). On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, For the new Safarciom unlimited offer it has been clarified to me that the rate limitation will only apply when you have exhausted your bundle and withing the month. It has also been clarified that whether you are on 300Mb bundle or 1Gb bundle u will enjoy the same 3G speeds. So in comparison to the previous bundles when you exhausted your bundle you were charged 8/= per Mb or if you don't have credit cant browse at all. The new offer will allow you to browse for the remaining part of the month even(unlimited internet) if you don't have credit but the speeds will be throttled depending on the Bundle you had subscribed to. John, I stand to be corrected or hopefully someone from safaricom marketing can officially make a position on this regards Patrick
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Can all you guys conclude so I can make my decision? :-) On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:50 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
well @patrick it did seem that way from the adverts, (at least thats what i got).
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, For the new Safarciom unlimited offer it has been clarified to me that the rate limitation will only apply when you have exhausted your bundle and withing the month. It has also been clarified that whether you are on 300Mb bundle or 1Gb bundle u will enjoy the same 3G speeds. So in comparison to the previous bundles when you exhausted your bundle you were charged 8/= per Mb or if you don't have credit cant browse at all. The new offer will allow you to browse for the remaining part of the month even(unlimited internet) if you don't have credit but the speeds will be throttled depending on the Bundle you had subscribed to. John, I stand to be corrected or hopefully someone from safaricom marketing can officially make a position on this regards Patrick
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I am trying to picture this scenario, you use up your bundle in the 1st day that you purchase it, then you are throttled for the remainder of the month (Question is this worthwhile?). Meanwhile safcom have already made their cash. Also what happens when 10 days down the road you top up again? say with a different bundle all together? The way I see it, you only enjoy what you pay for, the other bit (unlimited) is just an incentive for you to buy in the first place. Lets face it you cant have your cake and eat it. My 2 cents. On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
Can all you guys conclude so I can make my decision? :-)
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:50 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
well @patrick it did seem that way from the adverts, (at least thats what i got).
On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, For the new Safarciom unlimited offer it has been clarified to me that the rate limitation will only apply when you have exhausted your bundle and withing the month. It has also been clarified that whether you are on 300Mb bundle or 1Gb bundle u will enjoy the same 3G speeds. So in comparison to the previous bundles when you exhausted your bundle you were charged 8/= per Mb or if you don't have credit cant browse at all. The new offer will allow you to browse for the remaining part of the month even(unlimited internet) if you don't have credit but the speeds will be throttled depending on the Bundle you had subscribed to. John, I stand to be corrected or hopefully someone from safaricom marketing can officially make a position on this regards Patrick
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Anthony, The original scenario was you buy the bundle, deplete it and if you have credit, the charge 8/= per Mb. Now they don't charge you anything but you are throttled for the remainder of the month. regards Patrick
You are actually throttled on speeds based on your current bundle purchase in the event that you exhaust ur bundle. So different throttled speeds for the 300,700 and 1Gb plans. /pkress Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Karanja <wabethi@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 13:46:18 To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom's Data Strategy _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
So can someone opt to stay 'throttled' and not pay anything... -- Josiah Mugambi On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:58 PM, <pkress2000@gmail.com> wrote:
You are actually throttled on speeds based on your current bundle purchase in the event that you exhaust ur bundle. So different throttled speeds for the 300,700 and 1Gb plans.
/pkress
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@ josiah The offer is based on a month billing cycle. So after the month you have to pay again. In other news http://www.zdnet.com.au/pros-advise-on-optus-64kbps-supersonic-339306050.htm <http://www.zdnet.com.au/pros-advise-on-optus-64kbps-supersonic-339306050.htm> -- "Humility grows a little more each time i genuinely listen to the experience of another human being". Brahma Kumaris
I think the catch is the speed .. say you buy the 300Mb .. you experience high speeds for a short time then unbearable speeds there after .. you will feel tempted to buy more ... ;-) On 20 September 2010 14:07, Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> wrote:
So can someone opt to stay 'throttled' and not pay anything... -- Josiah Mugambi
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 1:58 PM, <pkress2000@gmail.com> wrote:
You are actually throttled on speeds based on your current bundle purchase in the event that you exhaust ur bundle. So different throttled speeds for the 300,700 and 1Gb plans.
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Its only valid for 30days from the date of purchase. /pkress Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: Josiah Mugambi <jmugambi@gmail.com> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 14:07:14 To: Skunkworks Mailing List<skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Reply-To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Safaricom's Data Strategy _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Server donations spreadsheet http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AopdHkqSqKL-dHlQVTMxU1VBdU1BSWJxdy1f... ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
"*Out of bundle speeds applicable upon exhaustion of the bamba unlimitedbundle purchased *" Unlimited things dont get exhausted. And I stand by my English teachers on that. The lingo aside, how is this any different from the bundles we have been 'enjoying' ? -- Ndungi Kyalo On 15 September 2010 11:17, Tony Likhanga <tlikhanga@gmail.com> wrote:
Looks like Safcom is working out a strategy.
They now have an "unlimited internet" offer that rolls through a given month, only that you get to enjoy 3G speeds to a certain bundle threshold. Thereafter, your speeds are throttled depending on the bundle you had purchased (Top-up amount).
Can someone kindly confirm that this is the case? See the attached advert.
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* * *2010/9/15 Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> *
* ....... how is this any different from the bundles we have been 'enjoying' ?
*
I presume this: Existing: You use up your bundle, you MUST recharge in order to have any whiff of some internet New Kid: You use up your bundle, you still CAN access internet, albeit at crawling speeds, till 30 days are over.
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sospeter＠elimu.co.ke -
the mayor -
Timothy Kyalo -
Tony Likhanga -
Watson Kambo -
Willie Ong'uti