si u just sell it to friends n get ur money back. sambaza On Sep 6, 2012 8:53 PM, "Jangita Nyagudi" <jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com> wrote:

That would effectively make airtime currency :)

On 6 September 2012 19:30, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:

...

AFAIK that's not possible. You should ask Safaricom on Twitter

On Sep 6, 2012 6:30 PM, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Just went through an interesting scenario; I bought credit from mpesa,

but

...

added an additional zero by mistake...

Is it possible to convert or "buy" mpesa from airtime?

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They could charge for converting airtime to mpesa. I have no clue as to how the backend systems work, but from a technical perspective, how comes the process is not reversible? If I can buy airtime from mpesa, then it means the mpesa system can issue instructions to the billing system, so why cant the billing systems do the same to the mpesa system? Anyone with Bob's email address? On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Joseph Tintale <jayxtintale@gmail.com>wrote:

Too bad for you, M-pesa was born because Kenyans liked to sambaza to settle debts. I don't think Safcom would like it the other way round. They want you to spend in terms of buying airtime, sending money or withdrawing (because they charge you for that). The only way you can recover your money is to sambaza to friends or talk to a friend who has a shop (if you have any) to sell it for you if you are willing to loose some amount that beats the normal airtime profit.

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si u just sell it to friends n get ur money back. sambaza On Sep 6, 2012 8:53 PM, "Jangita Nyagudi" <jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

That would effectively make airtime currency :)

On 6 September 2012 19:30, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:

...

AFAIK that's not possible. You should ask Safaricom on Twitter

On Sep 6, 2012 6:30 PM, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Just went through an interesting scenario; I bought credit from

mpesa, but

...

added an additional zero by mistake...

Is it possible to convert or "buy" mpesa from airtime?

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You are looking at it the wrong way. consider Airtime a product not currency. Think of it this way... simplified so a two year can understand. when you buy airtime they have sold to you minutes and taken your cash. So in essence all you have is the minutes. By them telling you that you have a certain amount left as a balance is just another way telling you how many minutes you have left. In contrast M-pesa is your money not safaricoms. So for you to convert airtime to M-pesa is the same as you selling those minutes back to safaricom. Unfortunately safaricom and all other businesses are not in the habit of buying their own product or services back. The best safaricom can do is come back with a refund policy/money back guarantee etc. Steve

They could charge for converting airtime to mpesa.

I have no clue as to how the backend systems work, but from a technical perspective, how comes the process is not reversible?

If I can buy airtime from mpesa, then it means the mpesa system can issue instructions to the billing system, so why cant the billing systems do the same to the mpesa system?

Anyone with Bob's email address?

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Joseph Tintale <jayxtintale@gmail.com>wrote:

...

Too bad for you, M-pesa was born because Kenyans liked to sambaza to settle debts. I don't think Safcom would like it the other way round. They want you to spend in terms of buying airtime, sending money or withdrawing (because they charge you for that). The only way you can recover your money is to sambaza to friends or talk to a friend who has a shop (if you have any) to sell it for you if you are willing to loose some amount that beats the normal airtime profit.

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Stephen Munguti <kamitu.sm@gmail.com>wrote:

...

si u just sell it to friends n get ur money back. sambaza On Sep 6, 2012 8:53 PM, "Jangita Nyagudi" <jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

That would effectively make airtime currency :)

On 6 September 2012 19:30, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:

...

AFAIK that's not possible. You should ask Safaricom on Twitter

On Sep 6, 2012 6:30 PM, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Just went through an interesting scenario; I bought credit from

mpesa, but

...

added an additional zero by mistake...

Is it possible to convert or "buy" mpesa from airtime?

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Hi guys, Sorry this is kind of off the topic, but I remember once there was a discussion about how to identify an unknown number by sending MPesa, a higher amount than what is available in your account, then MPesa sends you a message with the unknown number's identity? (I've searched the forums and can't come up with it). Please give me the info if you have it. Also, very interesting topic this is! On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:

If Airtime is able to buy data bundle, then for sure it's already currency, no?

Just to add, I think SCOM should allow sambazarization of data bundles!!

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Jangita Nyagudi <jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com

...

wrote:

...

That would effectively make airtime currency :)

On 6 September 2012 19:30, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:

...

AFAIK that's not possible. You should ask Safaricom on Twitter

On Sep 6, 2012 6:30 PM, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Just went through an interesting scenario; I bought credit from mpesa,

but

...

added an additional zero by mistake...

Is it possible to convert or "buy" mpesa from airtime?

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Thanks Mark! On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

@shiro

This was a loophole that was exploited to enable one to identify the owner of a particular no. This was closed/fixed by Safaricom I believe. It was a privacy concern.

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hi guys,

Sorry this is kind of off the topic, but I remember once there was a discussion about how to identify an unknown number by sending MPesa, a higher amount than what is available in your account, then MPesa sends you a message with the unknown number's identity? (I've searched the forums and can't come up with it). Please give me the info if you have it.

Also, very interesting topic this is!

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:

...

If Airtime is able to buy data bundle, then for sure it's already currency, no?

Just to add, I think SCOM should allow sambazarization of data bundles!!

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Jangita Nyagudi < jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

That would effectively make airtime currency :)

On 6 September 2012 19:30, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:

...

AFAIK that's not possible. You should ask Safaricom on Twitter

On Sep 6, 2012 6:30 PM, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Just went through an interesting scenario; I bought credit from

mpesa, but

...

added an additional zero by mistake...

Is it possible to convert or "buy" mpesa from airtime?

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Wow, that was an interesting read, Thanks! On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Felix mwai <flxxmw@gmail.com> wrote:

@peter, i just read this

* http://www.nation.co.ke/Features/money/-/435440/1511480/-/xyl0tsz/-/index.ht... *

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:

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Thanks Mark!

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@shiro

This was a loophole that was exploited to enable one to identify the owner of a particular no. This was closed/fixed by Safaricom I believe. It was a privacy concern.

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hi guys,

Sorry this is kind of off the topic, but I remember once there was a discussion about how to identify an unknown number by sending MPesa, a higher amount than what is available in your account, then MPesa sends you a message with the unknown number's identity? (I've searched the forums and can't come up with it). Please give me the info if you have it.

Also, very interesting topic this is!

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com

...

wrote:

...

If Airtime is able to buy data bundle, then for sure it's already currency, no?

Just to add, I think SCOM should allow sambazarization of data bundles!!

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Jangita Nyagudi < jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

That would effectively make airtime currency :)

On 6 September 2012 19:30, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote: > AFAIK that's not possible. You should ask Safaricom on Twitter > > On Sep 6, 2012 6:30 PM, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Just went through an interesting scenario; I bought credit from mpesa, but >> added an additional zero by mistake... >> >> Is it possible to convert or "buy" mpesa from airtime? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------

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But then your Identity will be revealed too. Previously the bounced transaction would not register on the recipients phone. It was a very sneaky info gathering tactic. On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Calvin Omari <calvinebarongo@gmail.com>wrote:

But at the same time i can send 20bob to know somebody's identity.... like buying your identinty with the M-Pesa Transaction....

./Cal

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:

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Wow, that was an interesting read, Thanks!

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Felix mwai <flxxmw@gmail.com> wrote:

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@peter, i just read this

* http://www.nation.co.ke/Features/money/-/435440/1511480/-/xyl0tsz/-/index.ht... *

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Thanks Mark!

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:

...

@shiro

This was a loophole that was exploited to enable one to identify the owner of a particular no. This was closed/fixed by Safaricom I believe. It was a privacy concern.

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Shiro Njagi <sheeroh@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Hi guys,

Sorry this is kind of off the topic, but I remember once there was a discussion about how to identify an unknown number by sending MPesa, a higher amount than what is available in your account, then MPesa sends you a message with the unknown number's identity? (I've searched the forums and can't come up with it). Please give me the info if you have it.

Also, very interesting topic this is!

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Odhiambo Washington < odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

> If Airtime is able to buy data bundle, then for sure it's already > currency, no? > > Just to add, I think SCOM should allow sambazarization of data > bundles!! > > > > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Jangita Nyagudi < > jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com> wrote: > >> That would effectively make airtime currency :) >> >> On 6 September 2012 19:30, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote: >> > AFAIK that's not possible. You should ask Safaricom on Twitter >> > >> > On Sep 6, 2012 6:30 PM, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Just went through an interesting scenario; I bought credit from >> mpesa, but >> >> added an additional zero by mistake... >> >> >> >> Is it possible to convert or "buy" mpesa from airtime? >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Skunkworks mailing list >> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >> ------------ >> >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >> ------------ >> >> >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >> ------------ >> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Skunkworks mailing list >> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> > ------------ >> > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> > ------------ >> > >> > Skunkworks Rules >> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> > ------------ >> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >

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Of course I wouldn't expect Safaricom to do the conversion for free, since its my mistake, I would be willing to part with a few shillings for the reversal, thus, Safaricom ends up making more money and everyone is happy. Example: I buy 1000 worth of airtime from mpesa, I realize I only needed 100. So I convert 900 worth of airtime back to mpesa, but instead of getting KShs. 900, I get a bit less, like KShs. 850. On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com> wrote:

Before proceeding to engage BC on getting MPESa from AIrtime, it might save face to first understand the taxation component of a sale of the airtime commodity to you then attempting to reverse the sale of the commodity. The two are unrelated even with the simplification brought about by technology.

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com>wrote:

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If Airtime is able to buy data bundle, then for sure it's already currency, no?

Just to add, I think SCOM should allow sambazarization of data bundles!!

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Jangita Nyagudi < jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com> wrote:

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That would effectively make airtime currency :)

On 6 September 2012 19:30, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:

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AFAIK that's not possible. You should ask Safaricom on Twitter

On Sep 6, 2012 6:30 PM, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:

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Just went through an interesting scenario; I bought credit from

mpesa, but

...

added an additional zero by mistake...

Is it possible to convert or "buy" mpesa from airtime?

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Everything is a product, even that Kenya shilling note is a product! ./Ok3ch On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 3:46 PM, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey skunks

Stop looking at airtime as a product, or even justify that airtime enables you to buy bundles hence it is cash.

In reality, it is a permit to access and consume your operators services e.g. Safaricom and its value is only measurable within the network hence you cannot even trasnfer 100 bob safcom airtime to 100 bob YU airtime or whatsoever. Now to add to the issu of reverting 100 bob airtime is not entirely owned by Safaricom, there is 16% tax, line dealer commision etal so in esence the reversal process would itself complicate things so as to end up with your money wholesum.

Hmm!

./TheMburu

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:

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Of course I wouldn't expect Safaricom to do the conversion for free, since its my mistake, I would be willing to part with a few shillings for the reversal, thus, Safaricom ends up making more money and everyone is happy.

Example: I buy 1000 worth of airtime from mpesa, I realize I only needed 100. So I convert 900 worth of airtime back to mpesa, but instead of getting KShs. 900, I get a bit less, like KShs. 850.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Moses <mosenetk@gmail.com> wrote:

...

Before proceeding to engage BC on getting MPESa from AIrtime, it might save face to first understand the taxation component of a sale of the airtime commodity to you then attempting to reverse the sale of the commodity. The two are unrelated even with the simplification brought about by technology.

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:

...

If Airtime is able to buy data bundle, then for sure it's already currency, no?

Just to add, I think SCOM should allow sambazarization of data bundles!!

On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Jangita Nyagudi <jangita.nyagudi@gmail.com> wrote:

...

That would effectively make airtime currency :)

On 6 September 2012 19:30, amanya <whynnot@gmail.com> wrote:

...

AFAIK that's not possible. You should ask Safaricom on Twitter

On Sep 6, 2012 6:30 PM, "Peter Karunyu" <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just went through an interesting scenario; I bought credit from > mpesa, but > added an additional zero by mistake... > > Is it possible to convert or "buy" mpesa from airtime? > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke

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Hi Guys, have a look at this http://www.nation.co.ke/Features/money/-/435440/1511480/-/xyl0tsz/-/index.ht... On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:

I think there should be a mechanism to reverse a purchase of airtime and get back your many regardeless of taxation just like it would happen if you purchase a physical good.

Think of it like returning the product, whereby you should be allowed to return all the airtime purchase for a full refund of the money. That way, Safaricom reverses any revenue they had booked plus all the taxes like VAT and Excise they have collect on behalf of the GOK.

The same laws that cover the return of good bought should cover return of services such as airtime.

It actually shouldn't be a favour Safaricom is doing you, should be part of your rights. Any company worth self-respecting accepts returns (unused and undamaged) with no questions asked. Amazon does it, Nakumatt does it, Walmart does it, so Safaricom should do it.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_(business) Or shall I read that to you? ./Ok3ch Sent from my iPad On Sep 21, 2012, at 5:31 PM, TheMburu George <themburu@gmail.com> wrote:

If it is a product as you want to put it then why would Safaricom send you 5 sms's telling you you have insufficient credits to send one message??

./TheMburu

On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Kimani Kevin <kevinkimani@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi Guys,

have a look at this

http://www.nation.co.ke/Features/money/-/435440/1511480/-/xyl0tsz/-/index.ht...

On Thu, Sep 20, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:

...

I think there should be a mechanism to reverse a purchase of airtime and get back your many regardeless of taxation just like it would happen if you purchase a physical good.

Think of it like returning the product, whereby you should be allowed to return all the airtime purchase for a full refund of the money. That way, Safaricom reverses any revenue they had booked plus all the taxes like VAT and Excise they have collect on behalf of the GOK.

The same laws that cover the return of good bought should cover return of services such as airtime.

It actually shouldn't be a favour Safaricom is doing you, should be part of your rights. Any company worth self-respecting accepts returns (unused and undamaged) with no questions asked. Amazon does it, Nakumatt does it, Walmart does it, so Safaricom should do it.

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While at it believe it or not my cousin bought a credit of Ksh. 8,000 and he intended to buy only 80bob! How he made such a huge mistake is beyond me. Should you like some credo - kenyans for kenyans please let me know.... Wilson. On 25 September 2012 08:00, Arthur Buliva <arthurbuliva@hotmail.com> wrote:

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Hi all, In the interest of saving costs, I wud like to buy a used iPhone 4, with charger of cos. Information on a second hand shop with two or three to select from is also good. Thanks.

Hi, Steve, see me in camera. :-) On 7 September 2012 10:41, Stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

In the interest of saving costs, I wud like to buy a used iPhone 4, with charger of cos.

Information on a second hand shop with two or three to select from is also good.

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Thanks !

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On 9/7/12, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:

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Hi guys,

Thanks !

Lemme check out those offers.

@ James

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