Hello skunks, I have been toying with this idea and would like someone to tell me if it indeed is true and makes sense. Most people nowadays are downloading a lot of stuff on torrents, as a result, there is plenty of chunks around . Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks locally. Now im wondering, if there was a local torrents database, and local trackers, would that ensure popular files locally would be accessed faster ? -- Regards, Collins Areba. *Strategic Operations. * *Center for Renewable Alternatives* Old Ferry Road, off Msa Malindi Rd, | Kilifi, Kenya. +254 720 516758 /734 696821 | skype/gtalk/twitter: arebacollins **
I agree, local torrents would be a very good idea. It's about time that we stopped being just consumers media emanating form ideas designed by internet users to help all around the world, and contribute something. And one of the reasons that websites like mashada.com and nationmedia.co.keare so popular is that the users can access local content easily. However, challenges come to mind such as sharing of local media files being illegal (read MCSK, etc) And for us that are on torrents sites a lot of time, let's make sure that we seed. My thoughts, Mugo On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello skunks, I have been toying with this idea and would like someone to tell me if it indeed is true and makes sense.
Most people nowadays are downloading a lot of stuff on torrents, as a result, there is plenty of chunks around . Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks locally. Now im wondering, if there was a local torrents database, and local trackers, would that ensure popular files locally would be accessed faster ?
-- Regards,
Collins Areba.
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Interestingly, MCSK actually doesn't care about international stuff (music, movies, videos) just local. Walk into any of those stalls where they burn music, movies, videos, games etc they'll tell you the same. -Billy 2010/10/21 m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com>
I agree, local torrents would be a very good idea. It's about time that we stopped being just consumers media emanating form ideas designed by internet users to help all around the world, and contribute something.
And one of the reasons that websites like mashada.com and nationmedia.co.ke are so popular is that the users can access local content easily.
However, challenges come to mind such as sharing of local media files being illegal (read MCSK, etc)
And for us that are on torrents sites a lot of time, let's make sure that we seed.
My thoughts, Mugo
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello skunks, I have been toying with this idea and would like someone to tell me if it indeed is true and makes sense.
Most people nowadays are downloading a lot of stuff on torrents, as a result, there is plenty of chunks around . Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks locally. Now im wondering, if there was a local torrents database, and local trackers, would that ensure popular files locally would be accessed faster ?
-- Regards,
Collins Areba.
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im interested on the principle, not the content. (:-) ) If we have a local torrents search engine, with actual torrents that are local (or at least the first stop for most torrenters locally), it would do us good. so.... Who's up for the challenge? On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Billy <billyx5@gmail.com> wrote:
Interestingly, MCSK actually doesn't care about international stuff (music, movies, videos) just local. Walk into any of those stalls where they burn music, movies, videos, games etc they'll tell you the same.
-Billy
2010/10/21 m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com>
I agree, local torrents would be a very good idea. It's about time that we
stopped being just consumers media emanating form ideas designed by internet users to help all around the world, and contribute something.
And one of the reasons that websites like mashada.com and nationmedia.co.ke are so popular is that the users can access local content easily.
However, challenges come to mind such as sharing of local media files being illegal (read MCSK, etc)
And for us that are on torrents sites a lot of time, let's make sure that we seed.
My thoughts, Mugo
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Hello skunks, I have been toying with this idea and would like someone to tell me if it indeed is true and makes sense.
Most people nowadays are downloading a lot of stuff on torrents, as a result, there is plenty of chunks around . Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks locally. Now im wondering, if there was a local torrents database, and local trackers, would that ensure popular files locally would be accessed faster ?
-- Regards,
Collins Areba.
*Strategic Operations. * *Center for Renewable Alternatives* Old Ferry Road, off Msa Malindi Rd, | Kilifi, Kenya. +254 720 516758 /734 696821 | skype/gtalk/twitter: arebacollins **
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Don't really understand this. From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers? From what I understand the advantage of a local tracker would only mean that most peers would be locally (initially at least) but how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker speeds only locally. If the purpose is local content and MCSK would interfere wouldn't it be better to create a specific account at one of the big trackers that only uploads local content? On the other hand ... maintaining a tracker in Kenya could be very cool if MCSK are relaxed about international content and the purpose would be to attract a lot of foreign visitors to the site. Problem is as always with hosting any bandwidth intense application locally ... the price of bandwidth. There is also the option of a local direct connect hub - would maybe make more sense depending on the purpose (if someone still uses them :)? On 10/21/2010 08:28 PM, [ Brainiac ] wrote:
im interested on the principle, not the content. (:-) ) If we have a local torrents search engine, with actual torrents that are local (or at least the first stop for most torrenters locally), it would do us good. so....
Who's up for the challenge?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Billy <billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com>> wrote:
Interestingly, MCSK actually doesn't care about international stuff (music, movies, videos) just local. Walk into any of those stalls where they burn music, movies, videos, games etc they'll tell you the same.
-Billy
2010/10/21 m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com>>
I agree, local torrents would be a very good idea. It's about time that we stopped being just consumers media emanating form ideas designed by internet users to help all around the world, and contribute something.
And one of the reasons that websites like mashada.com <http://mashada.com> and nationmedia.co.ke <http://nationmedia.co.ke> are so popular is that the users can access local content easily.
However, challenges come to mind such as sharing of local media files being illegal (read MCSK, etc)
And for us that are on torrents sites a lot of time, let's make sure that we seed.
My thoughts, Mugo
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello skunks, I have been toying with this idea and would like someone to tell me if it indeed is true and makes sense.
Most people nowadays are downloading a lot of stuff on torrents, as a result, there is plenty of chunks around . Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks locally. Now im wondering, if there was a local torrents database, and local trackers, would that ensure popular files locally would be accessed faster ?
@jonas, you are exactly the right person to ask this. lets take an example... torrents from piratebay, kickasstorrents and isohunt, if i am downloading a certain file, and i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio? If on the other hand we have a "default" torrents portal, where if regularly seeded guys would get their torrents from, then a big likelyhood would be that many of the Kenyans torrents would be on the same "network" which would mean lots more local chunks than the russian case. My reasoning also assumes that somehow if most of the chunks im looking for are in kilifi, mombasa or nairobi, ill get them faster than if most are in uzbekistan... simple mass X velocity here..... On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software < jonas@lamusoftware.com> wrote:
Don't really understand this. From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?
From what I understand the advantage of a local tracker would only mean that most peers would be locally (initially at least) but how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker speeds only locally.
If the purpose is local content and MCSK would interfere wouldn't it be better to create a specific account at one of the big trackers that only uploads local content?
On the other hand ... maintaining a tracker in Kenya could be very cool if MCSK are relaxed about international content and the purpose would be to attract a lot of foreign visitors to the site. Problem is as always with hosting any bandwidth intense application locally ... the price of bandwidth.
There is also the option of a local direct connect hub - would maybe make more sense depending on the purpose (if someone still uses them :)?
On 10/21/2010 08:28 PM, [ Brainiac ] wrote:
im interested on the principle, not the content. (:-) ) If we have a local torrents search engine, with actual torrents that are local (or at least the first stop for most torrenters locally), it would do us good. so....
Who's up for the challenge?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Billy <billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com>> wrote:
Interestingly, MCSK actually doesn't care about international stuff (music, movies, videos) just local. Walk into any of those stalls where they burn music, movies, videos, games etc they'll tell you the same.
-Billy
2010/10/21 m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com>>
I agree, local torrents would be a very good idea. It's about time that we stopped being just consumers media emanating form ideas designed by internet users to help all around the world, and contribute something.
And one of the reasons that websites like mashada.com <http://mashada.com> and nationmedia.co.ke <http://nationmedia.co.ke> are so popular is that the users can
access local content easily.
However, challenges come to mind such as sharing of local media files being illegal (read MCSK, etc)
And for us that are on torrents sites a lot of time, let's make sure that we seed.
My thoughts, Mugo
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello skunks, I have been toying with this idea and would like someone to tell me if it indeed is true and makes sense.
Most people nowadays are downloading a lot of stuff on torrents, as a result, there is plenty of chunks around . Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks locally. Now im wondering, if there was a local torrents database, and local trackers, would that ensure popular files locally would be accessed faster ?
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@brainiac this is assuming local loop is significantly faster and better accessed than sites in russia and europe. In my experience www.nationmedia.com and www.capitalfm.co.ke both load at the same rate as yahoo or facebook. Meaning that though we may get many more local seeders, speeds may not improve significantly. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@jonas, you are exactly the right person to ask this.
lets take an example... torrents from piratebay, kickasstorrents and isohunt, if i am downloading a certain file, and i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?
If on the other hand we have a "default" torrents portal, where if regularly seeded guys would get their torrents from, then a big likelyhood would be that many of the Kenyans torrents would be on the same "network" which would mean lots more local chunks than the russian case.
My reasoning also assumes that somehow if most of the chunks im looking for are in kilifi, mombasa or nairobi, ill get them faster than if most are in uzbekistan... simple mass X velocity here.....
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software < jonas@lamusoftware.com> wrote:
Don't really understand this. From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?
From what I understand the advantage of a local tracker would only mean that most peers would be locally (initially at least) but how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker speeds only locally.
If the purpose is local content and MCSK would interfere wouldn't it be better to create a specific account at one of the big trackers that only uploads local content?
On the other hand ... maintaining a tracker in Kenya could be very cool if MCSK are relaxed about international content and the purpose would be to attract a lot of foreign visitors to the site. Problem is as always with hosting any bandwidth intense application locally ... the price of bandwidth.
There is also the option of a local direct connect hub - would maybe make more sense depending on the purpose (if someone still uses them :)?
On 10/21/2010 08:28 PM, [ Brainiac ] wrote:
im interested on the principle, not the content. (:-) ) If we have a local torrents search engine, with actual torrents that are local (or at least the first stop for most torrenters locally), it would do us good. so....
Who's up for the challenge?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Billy <billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com>> wrote:
Interestingly, MCSK actually doesn't care about international stuff (music, movies, videos) just local. Walk into any of those stalls where they burn music, movies, videos, games etc they'll tell you the same.
-Billy
2010/10/21 m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com>>
I agree, local torrents would be a very good idea. It's about time that we stopped being just consumers media emanating form ideas designed by internet users to help all around the world, and contribute something.
And one of the reasons that websites like mashada.com <http://mashada.com> and nationmedia.co.ke <http://nationmedia.co.ke> are so popular is that the users can
access local content easily.
However, challenges come to mind such as sharing of local media files being illegal (read MCSK, etc)
And for us that are on torrents sites a lot of time, let's make sure that we seed.
My thoughts, Mugo
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello skunks, I have been toying with this idea and would like someone to tell me if it indeed is true and makes sense.
Most people nowadays are downloading a lot of stuff on torrents, as a result, there is plenty of chunks around . Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks locally. Now im wondering, if there was a local torrents database, and local trackers, would that ensure popular files locally would be accessed faster ?
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@Brainiac - will try to answer your question :) "i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?" The Pirate Bay is the largest tracker in the world (top 100 visited website even I think) so you will get peers from all over the world. My experience is that the location of the peers you get is mostly dependent on the torrent content - Spanish soaps from South American and Spanish peers so Kenyan content would most likely be mainly Kenyan and diaspora peers. If there are any peers locally downloading the same torrents my understanding is that these peers would be discovered anyway? Doesn't local peer discovery mean that I would theoretically find other - for example Access Kenya - users easily? "From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?" And as mwangy points out - my other question: "how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker speeds only locally." So I don't think there will be any benefit in terms if quicker downloads is the purpose. Unless you have a lot of friends downloading exactly the same torrents with 10Mbps uplinks all using different ISPs (if local peer discovery works best on the same subnet). But there are a lot of other fun purposes :) On 10/21/2010 09:49 PM, mwangy@gmail.com wrote:
@brainiac this is assuming local loop is significantly faster and better accessed than sites in russia and europe. In my experience www.nationmedia.com <http://www.nationmedia.com> and www.capitalfm.co.ke <http://www.capitalfm.co.ke> both load at the same rate as yahoo or facebook. Meaning that though we may get many more local seeders, speeds may not improve significantly.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>> wrote:
@jonas, you are exactly the right person to ask this.
lets take an example... torrents from piratebay, kickasstorrents and isohunt, if i am downloading a certain file, and i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?
If on the other hand we have a "default" torrents portal, where if regularly seeded guys would get their torrents from, then a big likelyhood would be that many of the Kenyans torrents would be on the same "network" which would mean lots more local chunks than the russian case.
My reasoning also assumes that somehow if most of the chunks im looking for are in kilifi, mombasa or nairobi, ill get them faster than if most are in uzbekistan... simple mass X velocity here.....
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software <jonas@lamusoftware.com <mailto:jonas@lamusoftware.com>> wrote:
Don't really understand this. From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?
>From what I understand the advantage of a local tracker would only mean that most peers would be locally (initially at least) but how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker speeds only locally.
If the purpose is local content and MCSK would interfere wouldn't it be better to create a specific account at one of the big trackers that only uploads local content?
On the other hand ... maintaining a tracker in Kenya could be very cool if MCSK are relaxed about international content and the purpose would be to attract a lot of foreign visitors to the site. Problem is as always with hosting any bandwidth intense application locally ... the price of bandwidth.
There is also the option of a local direct connect hub - would maybe make more sense depending on the purpose (if someone still uses them :)?
On 10/21/2010 08:28 PM, [ Brainiac ] wrote:
im interested on the principle, not the content. (:-) ) If we have a local torrents search engine, with actual torrents that are local (or at least the first stop for most torrenters locally), it would do us good. so....
Who's up for the challenge?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Billy <billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com> <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Interestingly, MCSK actually doesn't care about international stuff (music, movies, videos) just local. Walk into any of those stalls where they burn music, movies, videos, games etc they'll tell you the same.
-Billy
2010/10/21 m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com>>>
I agree, local torrents would be a very good idea. It's about time that we stopped being just consumers media emanating form ideas designed by internet users to help all around the world, and contribute something.
And one of the reasons that websites like mashada.com <http://mashada.com> <http://mashada.com> and nationmedia.co.ke <http://nationmedia.co.ke> <http://nationmedia.co.ke> are so popular is that the users can
access local content easily.
However, challenges come to mind such as sharing of local media files being illegal (read MCSK, etc)
And for us that are on torrents sites a lot of time, let's make sure that we seed.
My thoughts, Mugo
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Hello skunks, I have been toying with this idea and would like someone to tell me if it indeed is true and makes sense.
Most people nowadays are downloading a lot of stuff on torrents, as a result, there is plenty of chunks around . Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks locally. Now im wondering, if there was a local torrents database, and local trackers, would that ensure popular files locally would be accessed faster ?
As much as I think the idea of a local torrent database would be great I do not share or in anyway encourage/support any project that would take advantage of local or international content...... MCSK or no MCSK, the content belongs to someone who has paid money and used time/effort to come up with it for the purpose of creating money and wealth (or just means of living). Taking a song (local or not local) and sharing it all over is not only illegal but immoral. Just remember, with the fibre, what is needed is content. If we steal content, we are essentially killing the content development business which leaves us with fibre.... Support Local Content - Dont Steal from Local Content Developers! On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software < jonas@lamusoftware.com> wrote:
@Brainiac - will try to answer your question :)
"i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?"
The Pirate Bay is the largest tracker in the world (top 100 visited website even I think) so you will get peers from all over the world. My experience is that the location of the peers you get is mostly dependent on the torrent content - Spanish soaps from South American and Spanish peers so Kenyan content would most likely be mainly Kenyan and diaspora peers.
If there are any peers locally downloading the same torrents my understanding is that these peers would be discovered anyway? Doesn't local peer discovery mean that I would theoretically find other - for example Access Kenya - users easily?
"From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?"
And as mwangy points out - my other question:
"how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker speeds only locally."
So I don't think there will be any benefit in terms if quicker downloads is the purpose. Unless you have a lot of friends downloading exactly the same torrents with 10Mbps uplinks all using different ISPs (if local peer discovery works best on the same subnet).
But there are a lot of other fun purposes :)
On 10/21/2010 09:49 PM, mwangy@gmail.com wrote:
@brainiac this is assuming local loop is significantly faster and better accessed than sites in russia and europe. In my experience www.nationmedia.com <http://www.nationmedia.com> and www.capitalfm.co.ke <http://www.capitalfm.co.ke> both load at the same rate as yahoo or
facebook. Meaning that though we may get many more local seeders, speeds may not improve significantly.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>> wrote:
@jonas, you are exactly the right person to ask this.
lets take an example... torrents from piratebay, kickasstorrents and isohunt, if i am downloading a certain file, and i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?
If on the other hand we have a "default" torrents portal, where if regularly seeded guys would get their torrents from, then a big likelyhood would be that many of the Kenyans torrents would be on the same "network" which would mean lots more local chunks than the russian case.
My reasoning also assumes that somehow if most of the chunks im looking for are in kilifi, mombasa or nairobi, ill get them faster than if most are in uzbekistan... simple mass X velocity here.....
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software <jonas@lamusoftware.com <mailto:jonas@lamusoftware.com>> wrote:
Don't really understand this. From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?
>From what I understand the advantage of a local tracker would only mean that most peers would be locally (initially at least) but how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker speeds only locally.
If the purpose is local content and MCSK would interfere wouldn't it be better to create a specific account at one of the big trackers that only uploads local content?
On the other hand ... maintaining a tracker in Kenya could be very cool if MCSK are relaxed about international content and the purpose would be to attract a lot of foreign visitors to the site. Problem is as always with hosting any bandwidth intense application locally ... the price of bandwidth.
There is also the option of a local direct connect hub - would maybe make more sense depending on the purpose (if someone still uses them :)?
On 10/21/2010 08:28 PM, [ Brainiac ] wrote:
im interested on the principle, not the content. (:-) ) If we have a local torrents search engine, with actual torrents that are local (or at least the first stop for most torrenters locally), it would do us good. so....
Who's up for the challenge?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Billy <billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com> <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Interestingly, MCSK actually doesn't care about international stuff (music, movies, videos) just local. Walk into any of those stalls where they burn music, movies, videos, games etc they'll tell you the same.
-Billy
2010/10/21 m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com
<mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com>>>
I agree, local torrents would be a very good idea. It's about time that we stopped being just consumers media emanating form ideas designed by internet users to help all around the world, and contribute something.
And one of the reasons that websites like mashada.com <http://mashada.com> <http://mashada.com> and nationmedia.co.ke <http://nationmedia.co.ke> <http://nationmedia.co.ke> are so popular is that the users can
access local content easily.
However, challenges come to mind such as sharing of local media files being illegal (read MCSK, etc)
And for us that are on torrents sites a lot of time, let's make sure that we seed.
My thoughts, Mugo
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com
<mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Hello skunks, I have been toying with this idea and would like someone to tell me if it indeed is true and makes sense.
Most people nowadays are downloading a lot of stuff on torrents, as a result, there is plenty of chunks around . Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks locally. Now im wondering, if there was a local torrents database, and local trackers, would that ensure popular files locally would be accessed faster ?
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@bernard. I deliberately sterred off the content debate for the same reason. however, the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic, it would be the same as arguing that high speed internet should not be availed cause it allows people to download pirated media. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com> wrote:
As much as I think the idea of a local torrent database would be great I do not share or in anyway encourage/support any project that would take advantage of local or international content......
MCSK or no MCSK, the content belongs to someone who has paid money and used time/effort to come up with it for the purpose of creating money and wealth (or just means of living). Taking a song (local or not local) and sharing it all over is not only illegal but immoral.
Just remember, with the fibre, what is needed is content. If we steal content, we are essentially killing the content development business which leaves us with fibre....
Support Local Content - Dont Steal from Local Content Developers!
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software < jonas@lamusoftware.com> wrote:
@Brainiac - will try to answer your question :)
"i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?"
The Pirate Bay is the largest tracker in the world (top 100 visited website even I think) so you will get peers from all over the world. My experience is that the location of the peers you get is mostly dependent on the torrent content - Spanish soaps from South American and Spanish peers so Kenyan content would most likely be mainly Kenyan and diaspora peers.
If there are any peers locally downloading the same torrents my understanding is that these peers would be discovered anyway? Doesn't local peer discovery mean that I would theoretically find other - for example Access Kenya - users easily?
"From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?"
And as mwangy points out - my other question:
"how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker speeds only locally."
So I don't think there will be any benefit in terms if quicker downloads is the purpose. Unless you have a lot of friends downloading exactly the same torrents with 10Mbps uplinks all using different ISPs (if local peer discovery works best on the same subnet).
But there are a lot of other fun purposes :)
On 10/21/2010 09:49 PM, mwangy@gmail.com wrote:
@brainiac this is assuming local loop is significantly faster and better accessed than sites in russia and europe. In my experience www.nationmedia.com <http://www.nationmedia.com> and www.capitalfm.co.ke <http://www.capitalfm.co.ke> both load at the same rate as yahoo or
facebook. Meaning that though we may get many more local seeders, speeds may not improve significantly.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>> wrote:
@jonas, you are exactly the right person to ask this.
lets take an example... torrents from piratebay, kickasstorrents and isohunt, if i am downloading a certain file, and i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?
If on the other hand we have a "default" torrents portal, where if regularly seeded guys would get their torrents from, then a big likelyhood would be that many of the Kenyans torrents would be on the same "network" which would mean lots more local chunks than the russian case.
My reasoning also assumes that somehow if most of the chunks im looking for are in kilifi, mombasa or nairobi, ill get them faster than if most are in uzbekistan... simple mass X velocity here.....
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software <jonas@lamusoftware.com <mailto:jonas@lamusoftware.com>> wrote:
Don't really understand this. From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?
>From what I understand the advantage of a local tracker would only mean that most peers would be locally (initially at least) but how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker speeds only locally.
If the purpose is local content and MCSK would interfere wouldn't it be better to create a specific account at one of the big trackers that only uploads local content?
On the other hand ... maintaining a tracker in Kenya could be very cool if MCSK are relaxed about international content and the purpose would be to attract a lot of foreign visitors to the site. Problem is as always with hosting any bandwidth intense application locally ... the price of bandwidth.
There is also the option of a local direct connect hub - would maybe make more sense depending on the purpose (if someone still uses them :)?
On 10/21/2010 08:28 PM, [ Brainiac ] wrote:
im interested on the principle, not the content. (:-) ) If we have a local torrents search engine, with actual torrents that are local (or at least the first stop for most torrenters locally), it would do us good. so....
Who's up for the challenge?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Billy <billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com> <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Interestingly, MCSK actually doesn't care about international stuff (music, movies, videos) just local. Walk into any of those stalls where they burn music, movies, videos, games etc they'll tell you the same.
-Billy
2010/10/21 m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com
<mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com>>>
I agree, local torrents would be a very good idea. It's about time that we stopped being just consumers media emanating form ideas designed by internet users to help all around the world, and contribute something.
And one of the reasons that websites like mashada.com <http://mashada.com> <http://mashada.com> and nationmedia.co.ke <http://nationmedia.co.ke> <http://nationmedia.co.ke> are so popular is that the users can
access local content easily.
However, challenges come to mind such as sharing of local media files being illegal (read MCSK, etc)
And for us that are on torrents sites a lot of time, let's make sure that we seed.
My thoughts, Mugo
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com
<mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Hello skunks, I have been toying with this idea and would like someone to tell me if it indeed is true and makes sense.
Most people nowadays are downloading a lot of stuff on torrents, as a result, there is plenty of chunks around . Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks locally. Now im wondering, if there was a local torrents database, and local trackers, would that ensure popular files locally would be accessed faster ?
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I agree with you. The sad reality (and i stand to be corrected) many people use torrents for piracy.... "the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic," - That sentence makes me support your idea. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@bernard.
I deliberately sterred off the content debate for the same reason. however, the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic, it would be the same as arguing that high speed internet should not be availed cause it allows people to download pirated media.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com>wrote:
As much as I think the idea of a local torrent database would be great I do not share or in anyway encourage/support any project that would take advantage of local or international content......
MCSK or no MCSK, the content belongs to someone who has paid money and used time/effort to come up with it for the purpose of creating money and wealth (or just means of living). Taking a song (local or not local) and sharing it all over is not only illegal but immoral.
Just remember, with the fibre, what is needed is content. If we steal content, we are essentially killing the content development business which leaves us with fibre....
Support Local Content - Dont Steal from Local Content Developers!
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software < jonas@lamusoftware.com> wrote:
@Brainiac - will try to answer your question :)
"i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?"
The Pirate Bay is the largest tracker in the world (top 100 visited website even I think) so you will get peers from all over the world. My experience is that the location of the peers you get is mostly dependent on the torrent content - Spanish soaps from South American and Spanish peers so Kenyan content would most likely be mainly Kenyan and diaspora peers.
If there are any peers locally downloading the same torrents my understanding is that these peers would be discovered anyway? Doesn't local peer discovery mean that I would theoretically find other - for example Access Kenya - users easily?
"From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?"
And as mwangy points out - my other question:
"how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker speeds only locally."
So I don't think there will be any benefit in terms if quicker downloads is the purpose. Unless you have a lot of friends downloading exactly the same torrents with 10Mbps uplinks all using different ISPs (if local peer discovery works best on the same subnet).
But there are a lot of other fun purposes :)
On 10/21/2010 09:49 PM, mwangy@gmail.com wrote:
@brainiac this is assuming local loop is significantly faster and better accessed than sites in russia and europe. In my experience www.nationmedia.com <http://www.nationmedia.com> and www.capitalfm.co.ke <http://www.capitalfm.co.ke> both load at the same rate as yahoo or
facebook. Meaning that though we may get many more local seeders, speeds may not improve significantly.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>> wrote:
@jonas, you are exactly the right person to ask this.
lets take an example... torrents from piratebay, kickasstorrents and isohunt, if i am downloading a certain file, and i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?
If on the other hand we have a "default" torrents portal, where if regularly seeded guys would get their torrents from, then a big likelyhood would be that many of the Kenyans torrents would be on the same "network" which would mean lots more local chunks than the russian case.
My reasoning also assumes that somehow if most of the chunks im looking for are in kilifi, mombasa or nairobi, ill get them faster than if most are in uzbekistan... simple mass X velocity here.....
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software <jonas@lamusoftware.com <mailto:jonas@lamusoftware.com>> wrote:
Don't really understand this. From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?
>From what I understand the advantage of a local tracker would only mean that most peers would be locally (initially at least) but how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker speeds only locally.
If the purpose is local content and MCSK would interfere wouldn't it be better to create a specific account at one of the big trackers that only uploads local content?
On the other hand ... maintaining a tracker in Kenya could be very cool if MCSK are relaxed about international content and the purpose would be to attract a lot of foreign visitors to the site. Problem is as always with hosting any bandwidth intense application locally ... the price of bandwidth.
There is also the option of a local direct connect hub - would maybe make more sense depending on the purpose (if someone still uses them :)?
On 10/21/2010 08:28 PM, [ Brainiac ] wrote:
im interested on the principle, not the content. (:-) ) If we have a local torrents search engine, with actual torrents that are local (or at least the first stop for most torrenters locally), it would do us good. so....
Who's up for the challenge?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Billy <billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com> <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Interestingly, MCSK actually doesn't care about international stuff (music, movies, videos) just local. Walk into any of those stalls where they burn music, movies, videos, games etc they'll tell you the same.
-Billy
2010/10/21 m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com
<mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com>>>
I agree, local torrents would be a very good idea. It's about time that we stopped being just consumers media emanating form ideas designed by internet users to help all around the world, and contribute something.
And one of the reasons that websites like mashada.com <http://mashada.com> <http://mashada.com> and nationmedia.co.ke <http://nationmedia.co.ke> <http://nationmedia.co.ke> are so popular is that the users can
access local content easily.
However, challenges come to mind such as sharing of local media files being illegal (read MCSK, etc)
And for us that are on torrents sites a lot of time, let's make sure that we seed.
My thoughts, Mugo
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com
<mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Hello skunks, I have been toying with this idea and would like someone to tell me if it indeed is true and makes sense.
Most people nowadays are downloading a lot of stuff on torrents, as a result, there is plenty of chunks around . Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks locally. Now im wondering, if there was a local torrents database, and local trackers, would that ensure popular files locally would be accessed faster ?
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@peter what I meant was, if a file is hosted at a local site say www.capitalfm.co.ke can I download it at a speed faster than my 256kbps link with zuku ? if not then there is no difference from downloading it from russia or china. If isp's can offer unlimited or significantly faster local loop pipes and charge higher for the international link then what brainiac is proposing would make a whole lot more sense On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:32 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with you.
The sad reality (and i stand to be corrected) many people use torrents for piracy....
"the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic," - That sentence makes me support your idea.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@bernard.
I deliberately sterred off the content debate for the same reason. however, the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic, it would be the same as arguing that high speed internet should not be availed cause it allows people to download pirated media.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com>wrote:
As much as I think the idea of a local torrent database would be great I do not share or in anyway encourage/support any project that would take advantage of local or international content......
MCSK or no MCSK, the content belongs to someone who has paid money and used time/effort to come up with it for the purpose of creating money and wealth (or just means of living). Taking a song (local or not local) and sharing it all over is not only illegal but immoral.
Just remember, with the fibre, what is needed is content. If we steal content, we are essentially killing the content development business which leaves us with fibre....
Support Local Content - Dont Steal from Local Content Developers!
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software < jonas@lamusoftware.com> wrote:
@Brainiac - will try to answer your question :)
"i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?"
The Pirate Bay is the largest tracker in the world (top 100 visited website even I think) so you will get peers from all over the world. My experience is that the location of the peers you get is mostly dependent on the torrent content - Spanish soaps from South American and Spanish peers so Kenyan content would most likely be mainly Kenyan and diaspora peers.
If there are any peers locally downloading the same torrents my understanding is that these peers would be discovered anyway? Doesn't local peer discovery mean that I would theoretically find other - for example Access Kenya - users easily?
"From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?"
And as mwangy points out - my other question:
"how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker speeds only locally."
So I don't think there will be any benefit in terms if quicker downloads is the purpose. Unless you have a lot of friends downloading exactly the same torrents with 10Mbps uplinks all using different ISPs (if local peer discovery works best on the same subnet).
But there are a lot of other fun purposes :)
On 10/21/2010 09:49 PM, mwangy@gmail.com wrote:
@brainiac this is assuming local loop is significantly faster and better accessed than sites in russia and europe. In my experience www.nationmedia.com <http://www.nationmedia.com> and www.capitalfm.co.ke <http://www.capitalfm.co.ke> both load at the same rate as yahoo or
facebook. Meaning that though we may get many more local seeders, speeds may not improve significantly.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>> wrote:
@jonas, you are exactly the right person to ask this.
lets take an example... torrents from piratebay, kickasstorrents and isohunt, if i am downloading a certain file, and i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?
If on the other hand we have a "default" torrents portal, where if regularly seeded guys would get their torrents from, then a big likelyhood would be that many of the Kenyans torrents would be on the same "network" which would mean lots more local chunks than the russian case.
My reasoning also assumes that somehow if most of the chunks im looking for are in kilifi, mombasa or nairobi, ill get them faster than if most are in uzbekistan... simple mass X velocity here.....
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software <jonas@lamusoftware.com <mailto:jonas@lamusoftware.com>> wrote:
Don't really understand this. From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?
>From what I understand the advantage of a local tracker would only mean that most peers would be locally (initially at least) but how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker speeds only locally.
If the purpose is local content and MCSK would interfere wouldn't it be better to create a specific account at one of the big trackers that only uploads local content?
On the other hand ... maintaining a tracker in Kenya could be very cool if MCSK are relaxed about international content and the purpose would be to attract a lot of foreign visitors to the site. Problem is as always with hosting any bandwidth intense application locally ... the price of bandwidth.
There is also the option of a local direct connect hub - would maybe make more sense depending on the purpose (if someone still uses them :)?
On 10/21/2010 08:28 PM, [ Brainiac ] wrote:
im interested on the principle, not the content. (:-) ) If we have a local torrents search engine, with actual torrents that are local (or at least the first stop for most torrenters locally), it would do us good. so....
Who's up for the challenge?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Billy <billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com> <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Interestingly, MCSK actually doesn't care about international stuff (music, movies, videos) just local. Walk into any of those stalls where they burn music, movies, videos, games etc they'll tell you the same.
-Billy
2010/10/21 m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com
<mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com>>>
I agree, local torrents would be a very good idea. It's about time that we stopped being just consumers media emanating form ideas designed by internet users to help all around the world, and contribute something.
And one of the reasons that websites like mashada.com <http://mashada.com> <http://mashada.com> and nationmedia.co.ke <http://nationmedia.co.ke> <http://nationmedia.co.ke> are so popular is that the users can
access local content easily.
However, challenges come to mind such as sharing of local media files being illegal (read MCSK, etc)
And for us that are on torrents sites a lot of time, let's make sure that we seed.
My thoughts, Mugo
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com
<mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Hello skunks, I have been toying with this idea and would like someone to tell me if it indeed is true and makes sense.
Most people nowadays are downloading a lot of stuff on torrents, as a result, there is plenty of chunks around . Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks locally. Now im wondering, if there was a local torrents database, and local trackers, would that ensure popular files locally would be accessed faster ?
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@mwangy, consider users on networks like butterfly or the so called "broadband". take for instance butterfly or 3G+. if im downloading from ukraine, russia, india and USA parts 1,2,3 and 4 of a torrent. then consider if im downloading the same from onyango, kamau, rotich and khadija who are on loopnet, ADSL, AK and butterfly. me thinks it will be faster on the second scenario. On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:00 PM, mwangy@gmail.com <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@peter what I meant was, if a file is hosted at a local site say www.capitalfm.co.ke can I download it at a speed faster than my 256kbps link with zuku ? if not then there is no difference from downloading it from russia or china. If isp's can offer unlimited or significantly faster local loop pipes and charge higher for the international link then what brainiac is proposing would make a whole lot more sense
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:32 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com>wrote:
I agree with you.
The sad reality (and i stand to be corrected) many people use torrents for piracy....
"the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic," - That sentence makes me support your idea.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@bernard.
I deliberately sterred off the content debate for the same reason. however, the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic, it would be the same as arguing that high speed internet should not be availed cause it allows people to download pirated media.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com>wrote:
As much as I think the idea of a local torrent database would be great I do not share or in anyway encourage/support any project that would take advantage of local or international content......
MCSK or no MCSK, the content belongs to someone who has paid money and used time/effort to come up with it for the purpose of creating money and wealth (or just means of living). Taking a song (local or not local) and sharing it all over is not only illegal but immoral.
Just remember, with the fibre, what is needed is content. If we steal content, we are essentially killing the content development business which leaves us with fibre....
Support Local Content - Dont Steal from Local Content Developers!
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software < jonas@lamusoftware.com> wrote:
@Brainiac - will try to answer your question :)
"i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?"
The Pirate Bay is the largest tracker in the world (top 100 visited website even I think) so you will get peers from all over the world. My experience is that the location of the peers you get is mostly dependent on the torrent content - Spanish soaps from South American and Spanish peers so Kenyan content would most likely be mainly Kenyan and diaspora peers.
If there are any peers locally downloading the same torrents my understanding is that these peers would be discovered anyway? Doesn't local peer discovery mean that I would theoretically find other - for example Access Kenya - users easily?
"From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?"
And as mwangy points out - my other question:
"how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker speeds only locally."
So I don't think there will be any benefit in terms if quicker downloads is the purpose. Unless you have a lot of friends downloading exactly the same torrents with 10Mbps uplinks all using different ISPs (if local peer discovery works best on the same subnet).
But there are a lot of other fun purposes :)
On 10/21/2010 09:49 PM, mwangy@gmail.com wrote:
@brainiac this is assuming local loop is significantly faster and better accessed than sites in russia and europe. In my experience www.nationmedia.com <http://www.nationmedia.com> and www.capitalfm.co.ke <http://www.capitalfm.co.ke> both load at the same rate as yahoo or
facebook. Meaning that though we may get many more local seeders, speeds may not improve significantly.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>> wrote:
@jonas, you are exactly the right person to ask this.
lets take an example... torrents from piratebay, kickasstorrents and isohunt, if i am downloading a certain file, and i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?
If on the other hand we have a "default" torrents portal, where if regularly seeded guys would get their torrents from, then a big likelyhood would be that many of the Kenyans torrents would be on the same "network" which would mean lots more local chunks than the russian case.
My reasoning also assumes that somehow if most of the chunks im looking for are in kilifi, mombasa or nairobi, ill get them faster than if most are in uzbekistan... simple mass X velocity here.....
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software <jonas@lamusoftware.com <mailto:jonas@lamusoftware.com>> wrote:
Don't really understand this. From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?
>From what I understand the advantage of a local tracker would only mean that most peers would be locally (initially at least) but how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker speeds only locally.
If the purpose is local content and MCSK would interfere wouldn't it be better to create a specific account at one of the big trackers that only uploads local content?
On the other hand ... maintaining a tracker in Kenya could be very cool if MCSK are relaxed about international content and the purpose would be to attract a lot of foreign visitors to the site. Problem is as always with hosting any bandwidth intense application locally ... the price of bandwidth.
There is also the option of a local direct connect hub - would maybe make more sense depending on the purpose (if someone still uses them :)?
On 10/21/2010 08:28 PM, [ Brainiac ] wrote:
im interested on the principle, not the content. (:-) ) If we have a local torrents search engine, with actual torrents that are local (or at least the first stop for most torrenters locally), it would do us good. so....
Who's up for the challenge?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Billy <billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com> <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Interestingly, MCSK actually doesn't care about international stuff (music, movies, videos) just local. Walk into any of those stalls where they burn music, movies, videos, games etc they'll tell you the same.
-Billy
2010/10/21 m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com
<mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com>>>
I agree, local torrents would be a very good idea. It's about time that we stopped being just consumers media emanating form ideas designed by internet users to help all around the world, and contribute something.
And one of the reasons that websites like mashada.com <http://mashada.com> <http://mashada.com> and nationmedia.co.ke <http://nationmedia.co.ke> <http://nationmedia.co.ke> are so popular is that the users can
access local content easily.
However, challenges come to mind such as sharing of local media files being illegal (read MCSK, etc)
And for us that are on torrents sites a lot of time, let's make sure that we seed.
My thoughts, Mugo
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com
<mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>>> wrote:
Hello skunks, I have been toying with this idea and would like someone to tell me if it indeed is true and makes sense.
Most people nowadays are downloading a lot of stuff on torrents, as a result, there is plenty of chunks around . Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks locally. Now im wondering, if there was a local torrents database, and local trackers, would that ensure popular files locally would be accessed faster ?
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@brainiac it should be because it is a shorter distance but is that the case on the ground? for instance the kra site is terribly slow yet I assume it is hosted at times towers, barely 4 km from where I am. in my opinion local sites/resources should be almost free. . .in this regard, if kamau and njoroge are seeding but they are on 256kbps then thats the speed you will download with. . .as opposed to the dude in europe with a 10mbps link. note that torrents aren't too concerned with latencies(i thnk), it is just the pipe a.k.a the flow of data that is important On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:04 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@mwangy, consider users on networks like butterfly or the so called "broadband". take for instance butterfly or 3G+. if im downloading from ukraine, russia, india and USA parts 1,2,3 and 4 of a torrent. then consider if im downloading the same from onyango, kamau, rotich and khadija who are on loopnet, ADSL, AK and butterfly. me thinks it will be faster on the second scenario.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:00 PM, mwangy@gmail.com <mwangy@gmail.com>wrote:
@peter what I meant was, if a file is hosted at a local site say www.capitalfm.co.ke can I download it at a speed faster than my 256kbps link with zuku ? if not then there is no difference from downloading it from russia or china. If isp's can offer unlimited or significantly faster local loop pipes and charge higher for the international link then what brainiac is proposing would make a whole lot more sense
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:32 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com>wrote:
I agree with you.
The sad reality (and i stand to be corrected) many people use torrents for piracy....
"the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic," - That sentence makes me support your idea.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@bernard.
I deliberately sterred off the content debate for the same reason. however, the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic, it would be the same as arguing that high speed internet should not be availed cause it allows people to download pirated media.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com>wrote:
As much as I think the idea of a local torrent database would be great I do not share or in anyway encourage/support any project that would take advantage of local or international content......
MCSK or no MCSK, the content belongs to someone who has paid money and used time/effort to come up with it for the purpose of creating money and wealth (or just means of living). Taking a song (local or not local) and sharing it all over is not only illegal but immoral.
Just remember, with the fibre, what is needed is content. If we steal content, we are essentially killing the content development business which leaves us with fibre....
Support Local Content - Dont Steal from Local Content Developers!
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software < jonas@lamusoftware.com> wrote:
@Brainiac - will try to answer your question :)
"i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?"
The Pirate Bay is the largest tracker in the world (top 100 visited website even I think) so you will get peers from all over the world. My experience is that the location of the peers you get is mostly dependent on the torrent content - Spanish soaps from South American and Spanish peers so Kenyan content would most likely be mainly Kenyan and diaspora peers.
If there are any peers locally downloading the same torrents my understanding is that these peers would be discovered anyway? Doesn't local peer discovery mean that I would theoretically find other - for example Access Kenya - users easily?
"From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?"
And as mwangy points out - my other question:
"how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker speeds only locally."
So I don't think there will be any benefit in terms if quicker downloads is the purpose. Unless you have a lot of friends downloading exactly the same torrents with 10Mbps uplinks all using different ISPs (if local peer discovery works best on the same subnet).
But there are a lot of other fun purposes :)
On 10/21/2010 09:49 PM, mwangy@gmail.com wrote:
> @brainiac this is assuming local loop is significantly faster and > better > accessed than sites in russia and europe. In my experience > www.nationmedia.com <http://www.nationmedia.com> and > www.capitalfm.co.ke > <http://www.capitalfm.co.ke> both load at the same rate as yahoo or > > facebook. Meaning that though we may get many more local seeders, > speeds > may not improve significantly. > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, [ Brainiac ] < > arebacollins@gmail.com > <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>> wrote: > > @jonas, you are exactly the right person to ask this. > > lets take an example... torrents from piratebay, kickasstorrents > and > isohunt, if i am downloading a certain file, and i get a torrent > from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got > their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are > russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio? > > If on the other hand we have a "default" torrents portal, where if > regularly seeded guys would get their torrents from, then a big > likelyhood would be that many of the Kenyans torrents would be on > the same "network" which would mean lots more local chunks than > the > russian case. > > My reasoning also assumes that somehow if most of the chunks im > looking for are in kilifi, mombasa or nairobi, ill get them faster > than if most are in uzbekistan... simple mass X velocity here..... > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software > <jonas@lamusoftware.com <mailto:jonas@lamusoftware.com>> wrote: > > Don't really understand this. From a technical perspective > isn't > this > what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - > find > local > peers? > > >From what I understand the advantage of a local tracker > would > only mean > that most peers would be locally (initially at least) but how > does that > benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker > speeds only > locally. > > If the purpose is local content and MCSK would interfere > wouldn't it be > better to create a specific account at one of the big trackers > that only > uploads local content? > > On the other hand ... maintaining a tracker in Kenya could be > very cool > if MCSK are relaxed about international content and the > purpose > would be > to attract a lot of foreign visitors to the site. Problem is > as > always with > hosting any bandwidth intense application locally ... the > price > of bandwidth. > > There is also the option of a local direct connect hub - would > maybe make > more sense depending on the purpose (if someone still uses > them :)? > > > On 10/21/2010 08:28 PM, [ Brainiac ] wrote: > > im interested on the principle, not the content. (:-) ) If > we have a > local torrents search engine, with actual torrents that > are > local (or at > least the first stop for most torrenters locally), it > would > do us good. > so.... > > Who's up for the challenge? > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Billy <billyx5@gmail.com > <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com> > <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com>>> > wrote: > > Interestingly, MCSK actually doesn't care about > international stuff > (music, movies, videos) just local. Walk into any of > those stalls > where they burn music, movies, videos, games etc > they'll > tell you > the same. > > -Billy > > > 2010/10/21 m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com > <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com > > <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com>>> > > > I agree, local torrents would be a very good idea. > It's about > time that we stopped being just consumers media > emanating form > ideas designed by internet users to help all > around > the world, > and contribute something. > > And one of the reasons that websites like > mashada.com <http://mashada.com> > <http://mashada.com> and nationmedia.co.ke > <http://nationmedia.co.ke> > <http://nationmedia.co.ke> are so popular is that the > users can > > access local content easily. > > However, challenges come to mind such as sharing > of > local media > files being illegal (read MCSK, etc) > > And for us that are on torrents sites a lot of > time, > let's make > sure that we seed. > > My thoughts, > Mugo > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, [ Brainiac ] > <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com> > <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com > > <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>>> wrote: > > Hello skunks, > I have been toying with this idea and would > like > someone to > tell me if it indeed is true and makes sense. > > Most people nowadays are downloading a lot of > stuff on > torrents, as a result, there is plenty of > chunks > around . > Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks > locally. Now im > wondering, if there was a local torrents > database, and local > trackers, would that ensure popular files > locally would be > accessed faster ? > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
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exactly@mwanggy, which is why i deliberately mentioned Butterfly and 3G+. the more the users, the more likely it will be that you will actually be downloading the seeds from either of the broadband providers "LAN". say torrenting from seeds that are on the orange network..... etc. Maybe we should try this practically, maybe someone (phares?) can arrange for : --> space on a locally hosted server. --> a domain (or sub)-> not very important. well get a torrent, volunteers, try setting up a tracker and compare this with a control...... who'se game for some mythbusting? On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:27 PM, mwangy@gmail.com <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@brainiac it should be because it is a shorter distance but is that the case on the ground? for instance the kra site is terribly slow yet I assume it is hosted at times towers, barely 4 km from where I am. in my opinion local sites/resources should be almost free. . .in this regard, if kamau and njoroge are seeding but they are on 256kbps then thats the speed you will download with. . .as opposed to the dude in europe with a 10mbps link. note that torrents aren't too concerned with latencies(i thnk), it is just the pipe a.k.a the flow of data that is important
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:04 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@mwangy, consider users on networks like butterfly or the so called "broadband". take for instance butterfly or 3G+. if im downloading from ukraine, russia, india and USA parts 1,2,3 and 4 of a torrent. then consider if im downloading the same from onyango, kamau, rotich and khadija who are on loopnet, ADSL, AK and butterfly. me thinks it will be faster on the second scenario.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:00 PM, mwangy@gmail.com <mwangy@gmail.com>wrote:
@peter what I meant was, if a file is hosted at a local site say www.capitalfm.co.ke can I download it at a speed faster than my 256kbps link with zuku ? if not then there is no difference from downloading it from russia or china. If isp's can offer unlimited or significantly faster local loop pipes and charge higher for the international link then what brainiac is proposing would make a whole lot more sense
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:32 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com>wrote:
I agree with you.
The sad reality (and i stand to be corrected) many people use torrents for piracy....
"the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic," - That sentence makes me support your idea.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@bernard.
I deliberately sterred off the content debate for the same reason. however, the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic, it would be the same as arguing that high speed internet should not be availed cause it allows people to download pirated media.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com>wrote:
As much as I think the idea of a local torrent database would be great I do not share or in anyway encourage/support any project that would take advantage of local or international content......
MCSK or no MCSK, the content belongs to someone who has paid money and used time/effort to come up with it for the purpose of creating money and wealth (or just means of living). Taking a song (local or not local) and sharing it all over is not only illegal but immoral.
Just remember, with the fibre, what is needed is content. If we steal content, we are essentially killing the content development business which leaves us with fibre....
Support Local Content - Dont Steal from Local Content Developers!
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software < jonas@lamusoftware.com> wrote:
> @Brainiac - will try to answer your question :) > > > "i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from > clients that got > their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are > russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?" > > The Pirate Bay is the largest tracker in the world (top 100 visited > website even > I think) so you will get peers from all over the world. My experience > is that the > location of the peers you get is mostly dependent on the torrent > content - Spanish > soaps from South American and Spanish peers so Kenyan content would > most likely > be mainly Kenyan and diaspora peers. > > If there are any peers locally downloading the same torrents my > understanding is > that these peers would be discovered anyway? Doesn't local peer > discovery mean > that I would theoretically find other - for example Access Kenya - > users easily? > > "From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, > DHT > and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?" > > And as mwangy points out - my other question: > > "how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering > quicker > speeds only locally." > > So I don't think there will be any benefit in terms if quicker > downloads is the > purpose. Unless you have a lot of friends downloading exactly the > same torrents > with 10Mbps uplinks all using different ISPs (if local peer discovery > works best > on the same subnet). > > But there are a lot of other fun purposes :) > > > > On 10/21/2010 09:49 PM, mwangy@gmail.com wrote: > >> @brainiac this is assuming local loop is significantly faster and >> better >> accessed than sites in russia and europe. In my experience >> www.nationmedia.com <http://www.nationmedia.com> and >> www.capitalfm.co.ke >> <http://www.capitalfm.co.ke> both load at the same rate as yahoo or >> >> facebook. Meaning that though we may get many more local seeders, >> speeds >> may not improve significantly. >> >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, [ Brainiac ] < >> arebacollins@gmail.com >> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> @jonas, you are exactly the right person to ask this. >> >> lets take an example... torrents from piratebay, kickasstorrents >> and >> isohunt, if i am downloading a certain file, and i get a torrent >> from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got >> their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are >> russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio? >> >> If on the other hand we have a "default" torrents portal, where >> if >> regularly seeded guys would get their torrents from, then a big >> likelyhood would be that many of the Kenyans torrents would be on >> the same "network" which would mean lots more local chunks than >> the >> russian case. >> >> My reasoning also assumes that somehow if most of the chunks im >> looking for are in kilifi, mombasa or nairobi, ill get them >> faster >> than if most are in uzbekistan... simple mass X velocity >> here..... >> >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software >> <jonas@lamusoftware.com <mailto:jonas@lamusoftware.com>> wrote: >> >> Don't really understand this. From a technical perspective >> isn't >> this >> what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - >> find >> local >> peers? >> >> >From what I understand the advantage of a local tracker >> would >> only mean >> that most peers would be locally (initially at least) but how >> does that >> benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker >> speeds only >> locally. >> >> If the purpose is local content and MCSK would interfere >> wouldn't it be >> better to create a specific account at one of the big >> trackers >> that only >> uploads local content? >> >> On the other hand ... maintaining a tracker in Kenya could be >> very cool >> if MCSK are relaxed about international content and the >> purpose >> would be >> to attract a lot of foreign visitors to the site. Problem is >> as >> always with >> hosting any bandwidth intense application locally ... the >> price >> of bandwidth. >> >> There is also the option of a local direct connect hub - >> would >> maybe make >> more sense depending on the purpose (if someone still uses >> them :)? >> >> >> On 10/21/2010 08:28 PM, [ Brainiac ] wrote: >> >> im interested on the principle, not the content. (:-) ) >> If >> we have a >> local torrents search engine, with actual torrents that >> are >> local (or at >> least the first stop for most torrenters locally), it >> would >> do us good. >> so.... >> >> Who's up for the challenge? >> >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Billy < >> billyx5@gmail.com >> <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com> >> <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com>>> >> wrote: >> >> Interestingly, MCSK actually doesn't care about >> international stuff >> (music, movies, videos) just local. Walk into any of >> those stalls >> where they burn music, movies, videos, games etc >> they'll >> tell you >> the same. >> >> -Billy >> >> >> 2010/10/21 m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com >> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com >> >> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com>>> >> >> >> I agree, local torrents would be a very good >> idea. >> It's about >> time that we stopped being just consumers media >> emanating form >> ideas designed by internet users to help all >> around >> the world, >> and contribute something. >> >> And one of the reasons that websites like >> mashada.com <http://mashada.com> >> <http://mashada.com> and nationmedia.co.ke >> <http://nationmedia.co.ke> >> <http://nationmedia.co.ke> are so popular is that the >> users can >> >> access local content easily. >> >> However, challenges come to mind such as sharing >> of >> local media >> files being illegal (read MCSK, etc) >> >> And for us that are on torrents sites a lot of >> time, >> let's make >> sure that we seed. >> >> My thoughts, >> Mugo >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, [ Brainiac ] >> <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com> >> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com >> >> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> Hello skunks, >> I have been toying with this idea and would >> like >> someone to >> tell me if it indeed is true and makes sense. >> >> Most people nowadays are downloading a lot of >> stuff on >> torrents, as a result, there is plenty of >> chunks >> around . >> Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks >> locally. Now im >> wondering, if there was a local torrents >> database, and local >> trackers, would that ensure popular files >> locally would be >> accessed faster ? >> > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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exactly@mwanggy, which is why i deliberately mentioned Butterfly and 3G+. the more the users, the more likely it will be that you will actually be downloading the seeds from either of the broadband providers "LAN". say torrenting from seeds that are on the orange network..... etc. Maybe we should try this practically, maybe someone (phares?) can arrange for : --> space on a locally hosted server. --> a domain (or sub)-> not very important. well get a torrent, volunteers, try setting up a tracker and compare this with a control...... who'se game for some mythbusting? On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:27 PM, mwangy@gmail.com <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@brainiac it should be because it is a shorter distance but is that the case on the ground? for instance the kra site is terribly slow yet I assume it is hosted at times towers, barely 4 km from where I am. in my opinion local sites/resources should be almost free. . .in this regard, if kamau and njoroge are seeding but they are on 256kbps then thats the speed you will download with. . .as opposed to the dude in europe with a 10mbps link. note that torrents aren't too concerned with latencies(i thnk), it is just the pipe a.k.a the flow of data that is important
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:04 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@mwangy, consider users on networks like butterfly or the so called "broadband". take for instance butterfly or 3G+. if im downloading from ukraine, russia, india and USA parts 1,2,3 and 4 of a torrent. then consider if im downloading the same from onyango, kamau, rotich and khadija who are on loopnet, ADSL, AK and butterfly. me thinks it will be faster on the second scenario.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:00 PM, mwangy@gmail.com <mwangy@gmail.com>wrote:
@peter what I meant was, if a file is hosted at a local site say www.capitalfm.co.ke can I download it at a speed faster than my 256kbps link with zuku ? if not then there is no difference from downloading it from russia or china. If isp's can offer unlimited or significantly faster local loop pipes and charge higher for the international link then what brainiac is proposing would make a whole lot more sense
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:32 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com>wrote:
I agree with you.
The sad reality (and i stand to be corrected) many people use torrents for piracy....
"the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic," - That sentence makes me support your idea.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@bernard.
I deliberately sterred off the content debate for the same reason. however, the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic, it would be the same as arguing that high speed internet should not be availed cause it allows people to download pirated media.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com>wrote:
As much as I think the idea of a local torrent database would be great I do not share or in anyway encourage/support any project that would take advantage of local or international content......
MCSK or no MCSK, the content belongs to someone who has paid money and used time/effort to come up with it for the purpose of creating money and wealth (or just means of living). Taking a song (local or not local) and sharing it all over is not only illegal but immoral.
Just remember, with the fibre, what is needed is content. If we steal content, we are essentially killing the content development business which leaves us with fibre....
Support Local Content - Dont Steal from Local Content Developers!
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software < jonas@lamusoftware.com> wrote:
> @Brainiac - will try to answer your question :) > > > "i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from > clients that got > their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are > russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?" > > The Pirate Bay is the largest tracker in the world (top 100 visited > website even > I think) so you will get peers from all over the world. My experience > is that the > location of the peers you get is mostly dependent on the torrent > content - Spanish > soaps from South American and Spanish peers so Kenyan content would > most likely > be mainly Kenyan and diaspora peers. > > If there are any peers locally downloading the same torrents my > understanding is > that these peers would be discovered anyway? Doesn't local peer > discovery mean > that I would theoretically find other - for example Access Kenya - > users easily? > > "From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, > DHT > and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?" > > And as mwangy points out - my other question: > > "how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering > quicker > speeds only locally." > > So I don't think there will be any benefit in terms if quicker > downloads is the > purpose. Unless you have a lot of friends downloading exactly the > same torrents > with 10Mbps uplinks all using different ISPs (if local peer discovery > works best > on the same subnet). > > But there are a lot of other fun purposes :) > > > > On 10/21/2010 09:49 PM, mwangy@gmail.com wrote: > >> @brainiac this is assuming local loop is significantly faster and >> better >> accessed than sites in russia and europe. In my experience >> www.nationmedia.com <http://www.nationmedia.com> and >> www.capitalfm.co.ke >> <http://www.capitalfm.co.ke> both load at the same rate as yahoo or >> >> facebook. Meaning that though we may get many more local seeders, >> speeds >> may not improve significantly. >> >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, [ Brainiac ] < >> arebacollins@gmail.com >> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> @jonas, you are exactly the right person to ask this. >> >> lets take an example... torrents from piratebay, kickasstorrents >> and >> isohunt, if i am downloading a certain file, and i get a torrent >> from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got >> their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are >> russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio? >> >> If on the other hand we have a "default" torrents portal, where >> if >> regularly seeded guys would get their torrents from, then a big >> likelyhood would be that many of the Kenyans torrents would be on >> the same "network" which would mean lots more local chunks than >> the >> russian case. >> >> My reasoning also assumes that somehow if most of the chunks im >> looking for are in kilifi, mombasa or nairobi, ill get them >> faster >> than if most are in uzbekistan... simple mass X velocity >> here..... >> >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software >> <jonas@lamusoftware.com <mailto:jonas@lamusoftware.com>> wrote: >> >> Don't really understand this. From a technical perspective >> isn't >> this >> what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - >> find >> local >> peers? >> >> >From what I understand the advantage of a local tracker >> would >> only mean >> that most peers would be locally (initially at least) but how >> does that >> benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker >> speeds only >> locally. >> >> If the purpose is local content and MCSK would interfere >> wouldn't it be >> better to create a specific account at one of the big >> trackers >> that only >> uploads local content? >> >> On the other hand ... maintaining a tracker in Kenya could be >> very cool >> if MCSK are relaxed about international content and the >> purpose >> would be >> to attract a lot of foreign visitors to the site. Problem is >> as >> always with >> hosting any bandwidth intense application locally ... the >> price >> of bandwidth. >> >> There is also the option of a local direct connect hub - >> would >> maybe make >> more sense depending on the purpose (if someone still uses >> them :)? >> >> >> On 10/21/2010 08:28 PM, [ Brainiac ] wrote: >> >> im interested on the principle, not the content. (:-) ) >> If >> we have a >> local torrents search engine, with actual torrents that >> are >> local (or at >> least the first stop for most torrenters locally), it >> would >> do us good. >> so.... >> >> Who's up for the challenge? >> >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Billy < >> billyx5@gmail.com >> <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com> >> <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com>>> >> wrote: >> >> Interestingly, MCSK actually doesn't care about >> international stuff >> (music, movies, videos) just local. Walk into any of >> those stalls >> where they burn music, movies, videos, games etc >> they'll >> tell you >> the same. >> >> -Billy >> >> >> 2010/10/21 m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com >> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com >> >> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com>>> >> >> >> I agree, local torrents would be a very good >> idea. >> It's about >> time that we stopped being just consumers media >> emanating form >> ideas designed by internet users to help all >> around >> the world, >> and contribute something. >> >> And one of the reasons that websites like >> mashada.com <http://mashada.com> >> <http://mashada.com> and nationmedia.co.ke >> <http://nationmedia.co.ke> >> <http://nationmedia.co.ke> are so popular is that the >> users can >> >> access local content easily. >> >> However, challenges come to mind such as sharing >> of >> local media >> files being illegal (read MCSK, etc) >> >> And for us that are on torrents sites a lot of >> time, >> let's make >> sure that we seed. >> >> My thoughts, >> Mugo >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, [ Brainiac ] >> <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com> >> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com >> >> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> Hello skunks, >> I have been toying with this idea and would >> like >> someone to >> tell me if it indeed is true and makes sense. >> >> Most people nowadays are downloading a lot of >> stuff on >> torrents, as a result, there is plenty of >> chunks >> around . >> Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks >> locally. Now im >> wondering, if there was a local torrents >> database, and local >> trackers, would that ensure popular files >> locally would be >> accessed faster ? >> > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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exactly@mwanggy, which is why i deliberately mentioned Butterfly and 3G+. the more the users, the more likely it will be that you will actually be downloading the seeds from either of the broadband providers "LAN". say torrenting from seeds that are on the orange network..... etc. Maybe we should try this practically, can someone donate som On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:27 PM, mwangy@gmail.com <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@brainiac it should be because it is a shorter distance but is that the case on the ground? for instance the kra site is terribly slow yet I assume it is hosted at times towers, barely 4 km from where I am. in my opinion local sites/resources should be almost free. . .in this regard, if kamau and njoroge are seeding but they are on 256kbps then thats the speed you will download with. . .as opposed to the dude in europe with a 10mbps link. note that torrents aren't too concerned with latencies(i thnk), it is just the pipe a.k.a the flow of data that is important
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:04 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@mwangy, consider users on networks like butterfly or the so called "broadband". take for instance butterfly or 3G+. if im downloading from ukraine, russia, india and USA parts 1,2,3 and 4 of a torrent. then consider if im downloading the same from onyango, kamau, rotich and khadija who are on loopnet, ADSL, AK and butterfly. me thinks it will be faster on the second scenario.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:00 PM, mwangy@gmail.com <mwangy@gmail.com>wrote:
@peter what I meant was, if a file is hosted at a local site say www.capitalfm.co.ke can I download it at a speed faster than my 256kbps link with zuku ? if not then there is no difference from downloading it from russia or china. If isp's can offer unlimited or significantly faster local loop pipes and charge higher for the international link then what brainiac is proposing would make a whole lot more sense
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:32 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com>wrote:
I agree with you.
The sad reality (and i stand to be corrected) many people use torrents for piracy....
"the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic," - That sentence makes me support your idea.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@bernard.
I deliberately sterred off the content debate for the same reason. however, the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic, it would be the same as arguing that high speed internet should not be availed cause it allows people to download pirated media.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com>wrote:
As much as I think the idea of a local torrent database would be great I do not share or in anyway encourage/support any project that would take advantage of local or international content......
MCSK or no MCSK, the content belongs to someone who has paid money and used time/effort to come up with it for the purpose of creating money and wealth (or just means of living). Taking a song (local or not local) and sharing it all over is not only illegal but immoral.
Just remember, with the fibre, what is needed is content. If we steal content, we are essentially killing the content development business which leaves us with fibre....
Support Local Content - Dont Steal from Local Content Developers!
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software < jonas@lamusoftware.com> wrote:
> @Brainiac - will try to answer your question :) > > > "i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from > clients that got > their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are > russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?" > > The Pirate Bay is the largest tracker in the world (top 100 visited > website even > I think) so you will get peers from all over the world. My experience > is that the > location of the peers you get is mostly dependent on the torrent > content - Spanish > soaps from South American and Spanish peers so Kenyan content would > most likely > be mainly Kenyan and diaspora peers. > > If there are any peers locally downloading the same torrents my > understanding is > that these peers would be discovered anyway? Doesn't local peer > discovery mean > that I would theoretically find other - for example Access Kenya - > users easily? > > "From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, > DHT > and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?" > > And as mwangy points out - my other question: > > "how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering > quicker > speeds only locally." > > So I don't think there will be any benefit in terms if quicker > downloads is the > purpose. Unless you have a lot of friends downloading exactly the > same torrents > with 10Mbps uplinks all using different ISPs (if local peer discovery > works best > on the same subnet). > > But there are a lot of other fun purposes :) > > > > On 10/21/2010 09:49 PM, mwangy@gmail.com wrote: > >> @brainiac this is assuming local loop is significantly faster and >> better >> accessed than sites in russia and europe. In my experience >> www.nationmedia.com <http://www.nationmedia.com> and >> www.capitalfm.co.ke >> <http://www.capitalfm.co.ke> both load at the same rate as yahoo or >> >> facebook. Meaning that though we may get many more local seeders, >> speeds >> may not improve significantly. >> >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, [ Brainiac ] < >> arebacollins@gmail.com >> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> @jonas, you are exactly the right person to ask this. >> >> lets take an example... torrents from piratebay, kickasstorrents >> and >> isohunt, if i am downloading a certain file, and i get a torrent >> from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got >> their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are >> russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio? >> >> If on the other hand we have a "default" torrents portal, where >> if >> regularly seeded guys would get their torrents from, then a big >> likelyhood would be that many of the Kenyans torrents would be on >> the same "network" which would mean lots more local chunks than >> the >> russian case. >> >> My reasoning also assumes that somehow if most of the chunks im >> looking for are in kilifi, mombasa or nairobi, ill get them >> faster >> than if most are in uzbekistan... simple mass X velocity >> here..... >> >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software >> <jonas@lamusoftware.com <mailto:jonas@lamusoftware.com>> wrote: >> >> Don't really understand this. From a technical perspective >> isn't >> this >> what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - >> find >> local >> peers? >> >> >From what I understand the advantage of a local tracker >> would >> only mean >> that most peers would be locally (initially at least) but how >> does that >> benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker >> speeds only >> locally. >> >> If the purpose is local content and MCSK would interfere >> wouldn't it be >> better to create a specific account at one of the big >> trackers >> that only >> uploads local content? >> >> On the other hand ... maintaining a tracker in Kenya could be >> very cool >> if MCSK are relaxed about international content and the >> purpose >> would be >> to attract a lot of foreign visitors to the site. Problem is >> as >> always with >> hosting any bandwidth intense application locally ... the >> price >> of bandwidth. >> >> There is also the option of a local direct connect hub - >> would >> maybe make >> more sense depending on the purpose (if someone still uses >> them :)? >> >> >> On 10/21/2010 08:28 PM, [ Brainiac ] wrote: >> >> im interested on the principle, not the content. (:-) ) >> If >> we have a >> local torrents search engine, with actual torrents that >> are >> local (or at >> least the first stop for most torrenters locally), it >> would >> do us good. >> so.... >> >> Who's up for the challenge? >> >> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Billy < >> billyx5@gmail.com >> <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com> >> <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com>>> >> wrote: >> >> Interestingly, MCSK actually doesn't care about >> international stuff >> (music, movies, videos) just local. Walk into any of >> those stalls >> where they burn music, movies, videos, games etc >> they'll >> tell you >> the same. >> >> -Billy >> >> >> 2010/10/21 m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com >> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com >> >> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com>>> >> >> >> I agree, local torrents would be a very good >> idea. >> It's about >> time that we stopped being just consumers media >> emanating form >> ideas designed by internet users to help all >> around >> the world, >> and contribute something. >> >> And one of the reasons that websites like >> mashada.com <http://mashada.com> >> <http://mashada.com> and nationmedia.co.ke >> <http://nationmedia.co.ke> >> <http://nationmedia.co.ke> are so popular is that the >> users can >> >> access local content easily. >> >> However, challenges come to mind such as sharing >> of >> local media >> files being illegal (read MCSK, etc) >> >> And for us that are on torrents sites a lot of >> time, >> let's make >> sure that we seed. >> >> My thoughts, >> Mugo >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, [ Brainiac ] >> <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com> >> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com >> >> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> Hello skunks, >> I have been toying with this idea and would >> like >> someone to >> tell me if it indeed is true and makes sense. >> >> Most people nowadays are downloading a lot of >> stuff on >> torrents, as a result, there is plenty of >> chunks >> around . >> Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks >> locally. Now im >> wondering, if there was a local torrents >> database, and local >> trackers, would that ensure popular files >> locally would be >> accessed faster ? >> > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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@ Jonas,
From What I know about torrents, you are correct. As long as the torrent is seeded locally say in the same LAN. you are bound to download it faster.You don't necessarily need the tracker to be local. Just a hug number of seeders. @ Mwangy et al
As for throughput, it is really dependant on TCP-window size and latency. i.e if my TCP-window size is the same, and I have a latency of 300ms to Kisumu and 150ms to the UK, downloading a 10MB file from UK would take approximately half the time it would take to download a 10MB file from Kisumu. Distance not withstanding. As for piracy and torrents, as long as no one is selling anything, it is murky waters... On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:48 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
exactly@mwanggy, which is why i deliberately mentioned Butterfly and 3G+. the more the users, the more likely it will be that you will actually be downloading the seeds from either of the broadband providers "LAN". say torrenting from seeds that are on the orange network..... etc.
Maybe we should try this practically, can someone donate som
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:27 PM, mwangy@gmail.com <mwangy@gmail.com>wrote:
@brainiac it should be because it is a shorter distance but is that the case on the ground? for instance the kra site is terribly slow yet I assume it is hosted at times towers, barely 4 km from where I am. in my opinion local sites/resources should be almost free. . .in this regard, if kamau and njoroge are seeding but they are on 256kbps then thats the speed you will download with. . .as opposed to the dude in europe with a 10mbps link. note that torrents aren't too concerned with latencies(i thnk), it is just the pipe a.k.a the flow of data that is important
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:04 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
@mwangy, consider users on networks like butterfly or the so called "broadband". take for instance butterfly or 3G+. if im downloading from ukraine, russia, india and USA parts 1,2,3 and 4 of a torrent. then consider if im downloading the same from onyango, kamau, rotich and khadija who are on loopnet, ADSL, AK and butterfly. me thinks it will be faster on the second scenario.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:00 PM, mwangy@gmail.com <mwangy@gmail.com>wrote:
@peter what I meant was, if a file is hosted at a local site say www.capitalfm.co.ke can I download it at a speed faster than my 256kbps link with zuku ? if not then there is no difference from downloading it from russia or china. If isp's can offer unlimited or significantly faster local loop pipes and charge higher for the international link then what brainiac is proposing would make a whole lot more sense
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:32 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com>wrote:
I agree with you.
The sad reality (and i stand to be corrected) many people use torrents for piracy....
"the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic," - That sentence makes me support your idea.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com
wrote:
@bernard.
I deliberately sterred off the content debate for the same reason. however, the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic, it would be the same as arguing that high speed internet should not be availed cause it allows people to download pirated media.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com>wrote:
> As much as I think the idea of a local torrent database would be > great I do not share or in anyway encourage/support any project that would > take advantage of local or international content...... > > MCSK or no MCSK, the content belongs to someone who has paid money > and used time/effort to come up with it for the purpose of creating money > and wealth (or just means of living). Taking a song (local or not local) > and sharing it all over is not only illegal but immoral. > > Just remember, with the fibre, what is needed is content. If we steal > content, we are essentially killing the content development business which > leaves us with fibre.... > > Support Local Content - Dont Steal from Local Content Developers! > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software < > jonas@lamusoftware.com> wrote: > >> @Brainiac - will try to answer your question :) >> >> >> "i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from >> clients that got >> their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are >> russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?" >> >> The Pirate Bay is the largest tracker in the world (top 100 visited >> website even >> I think) so you will get peers from all over the world. My >> experience is that the >> location of the peers you get is mostly dependent on the torrent >> content - Spanish >> soaps from South American and Spanish peers so Kenyan content would >> most likely >> be mainly Kenyan and diaspora peers. >> >> If there are any peers locally downloading the same torrents my >> understanding is >> that these peers would be discovered anyway? Doesn't local peer >> discovery mean >> that I would theoretically find other - for example Access Kenya - >> users easily? >> >> "From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, >> DHT >> and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?" >> >> And as mwangy points out - my other question: >> >> "how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering >> quicker >> speeds only locally." >> >> So I don't think there will be any benefit in terms if quicker >> downloads is the >> purpose. Unless you have a lot of friends downloading exactly the >> same torrents >> with 10Mbps uplinks all using different ISPs (if local peer >> discovery works best >> on the same subnet). >> >> But there are a lot of other fun purposes :) >> >> >> >> On 10/21/2010 09:49 PM, mwangy@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> @brainiac this is assuming local loop is significantly faster and >>> better >>> accessed than sites in russia and europe. In my experience >>> www.nationmedia.com <http://www.nationmedia.com> and >>> www.capitalfm.co.ke >>> <http://www.capitalfm.co.ke> both load at the same rate as yahoo >>> or >>> >>> facebook. Meaning that though we may get many more local seeders, >>> speeds >>> may not improve significantly. >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, [ Brainiac ] < >>> arebacollins@gmail.com >>> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> @jonas, you are exactly the right person to ask this. >>> >>> lets take an example... torrents from piratebay, kickasstorrents >>> and >>> isohunt, if i am downloading a certain file, and i get a torrent >>> from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that >>> got >>> their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are >>> russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio? >>> >>> If on the other hand we have a "default" torrents portal, where >>> if >>> regularly seeded guys would get their torrents from, then a big >>> likelyhood would be that many of the Kenyans torrents would be >>> on >>> the same "network" which would mean lots more local chunks than >>> the >>> russian case. >>> >>> My reasoning also assumes that somehow if most of the chunks im >>> looking for are in kilifi, mombasa or nairobi, ill get them >>> faster >>> than if most are in uzbekistan... simple mass X velocity >>> here..... >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software >>> <jonas@lamusoftware.com <mailto:jonas@lamusoftware.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Don't really understand this. From a technical perspective >>> isn't >>> this >>> what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - >>> find >>> local >>> peers? >>> >>> >From what I understand the advantage of a local tracker >>> would >>> only mean >>> that most peers would be locally (initially at least) but >>> how >>> does that >>> benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker >>> speeds only >>> locally. >>> >>> If the purpose is local content and MCSK would interfere >>> wouldn't it be >>> better to create a specific account at one of the big >>> trackers >>> that only >>> uploads local content? >>> >>> On the other hand ... maintaining a tracker in Kenya could >>> be >>> very cool >>> if MCSK are relaxed about international content and the >>> purpose >>> would be >>> to attract a lot of foreign visitors to the site. Problem is >>> as >>> always with >>> hosting any bandwidth intense application locally ... the >>> price >>> of bandwidth. >>> >>> There is also the option of a local direct connect hub - >>> would >>> maybe make >>> more sense depending on the purpose (if someone still uses >>> them :)? >>> >>> >>> On 10/21/2010 08:28 PM, [ Brainiac ] wrote: >>> >>> im interested on the principle, not the content. (:-) ) >>> If >>> we have a >>> local torrents search engine, with actual torrents that >>> are >>> local (or at >>> least the first stop for most torrenters locally), it >>> would >>> do us good. >>> so.... >>> >>> Who's up for the challenge? >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Billy < >>> billyx5@gmail.com >>> <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com> >>> <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Interestingly, MCSK actually doesn't care about >>> international stuff >>> (music, movies, videos) just local. Walk into any of >>> those stalls >>> where they burn music, movies, videos, games etc >>> they'll >>> tell you >>> the same. >>> >>> -Billy >>> >>> >>> 2010/10/21 m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com >>> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com >>> >>> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com>>> >>> >>> >>> I agree, local torrents would be a very good >>> idea. >>> It's about >>> time that we stopped being just consumers media >>> emanating form >>> ideas designed by internet users to help all >>> around >>> the world, >>> and contribute something. >>> >>> And one of the reasons that websites like >>> mashada.com <http://mashada.com> >>> <http://mashada.com> and nationmedia.co.ke >>> <http://nationmedia.co.ke> >>> <http://nationmedia.co.ke> are so popular is that the >>> users can >>> >>> access local content easily. >>> >>> However, challenges come to mind such as sharing >>> of >>> local media >>> files being illegal (read MCSK, etc) >>> >>> And for us that are on torrents sites a lot of >>> time, >>> let's make >>> sure that we seed. >>> >>> My thoughts, >>> Mugo >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, [ Brainiac ] >>> <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com> >>> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com >>> >>> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello skunks, >>> I have been toying with this idea and would >>> like >>> someone to >>> tell me if it indeed is true and makes >>> sense. >>> >>> Most people nowadays are downloading a lot >>> of >>> stuff on >>> torrents, as a result, there is plenty of >>> chunks >>> around . >>> Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks >>> locally. 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I think we are agreed on that there will be no benefit in terms of speed so the initial reason is gone. But I still haven't gotten an answer to my question about the local peer discovery feature available in most BT clients - if this works there would be no reason for a local tracker even if ISP:s would offer quicker speeds locally only (unless Seacom goes down). On 10/22/2010 12:00 PM, mwangy@gmail.com wrote:
@peter what I meant was, if a file is hosted at a local site say www.capitalfm.co.ke <http://www.capitalfm.co.ke> can I download it at a speed faster than my 256kbps link with zuku ? if not then there is no difference from downloading it from russia or china. If isp's can offer unlimited or significantly faster local loop pipes and charge higher for the international link then what brainiac is proposing would make a whole lot more sense
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:32 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com <mailto:bernsoft@gmail.com>> wrote:
I agree with you.
The sad reality (and i stand to be corrected) many people use torrents for piracy....
"the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic," - That sentence makes me support your idea.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>> wrote:
@bernard.
I deliberately sterred off the content debate for the same reason. however, the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic, it would be the same as arguing that high speed internet should not be availed cause it allows people to download pirated media.
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com <mailto:bernsoft@gmail.com>> wrote:
As much as I think the idea of a local torrent database would be great I do not share or in anyway encourage/support any project that would take advantage of local or international content......
MCSK or no MCSK, the content belongs to someone who has paid money and used time/effort to come up with it for the purpose of creating money and wealth (or just means of living). Taking a song (local or not local) and sharing it all over is not only illegal but immoral.
Just remember, with the fibre, what is needed is content. If we steal content, we are essentially killing the content development business which leaves us with fibre....
Support Local Content - Dont Steal from Local Content Developers!
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software <jonas@lamusoftware.com <mailto:jonas@lamusoftware.com>> wrote:
@Brainiac - will try to answer your question :)
"i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?"
The Pirate Bay is the largest tracker in the world (top 100 visited website even I think) so you will get peers from all over the world. My experience is that the location of the peers you get is mostly dependent on the torrent content - Spanish soaps from South American and Spanish peers so Kenyan content would most likely be mainly Kenyan and diaspora peers.
If there are any peers locally downloading the same torrents my understanding is that these peers would be discovered anyway? Doesn't local peer discovery mean that I would theoretically find other - for example Access Kenya - users easily?
"From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?"
And as mwangy points out - my other question:
"how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker speeds only locally."
So I don't think there will be any benefit in terms if quicker downloads is the purpose. Unless you have a lot of friends downloading exactly the same torrents with 10Mbps uplinks all using different ISPs (if local peer discovery works best on the same subnet).
But there are a lot of other fun purposes :)
On 10/21/2010 09:49 PM, mwangy@gmail.com <mailto:mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@brainiac this is assuming local loop is significantly faster and better accessed than sites in russia and europe. In my experience www.nationmedia.com <http://www.nationmedia.com> <http://www.nationmedia.com> and www.capitalfm.co.ke <http://www.capitalfm.co.ke> <http://www.capitalfm.co.ke> both load at the same rate as yahoo or
facebook. Meaning that though we may get many more local seeders, speeds may not improve significantly.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>>> wrote:
@jonas, you are exactly the right person to ask this.
lets take an example... torrents from piratebay, kickasstorrents and isohunt, if i am downloading a certain file, and i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?
If on the other hand we have a "default" torrents portal, where if regularly seeded guys would get their torrents from, then a big likelyhood would be that many of the Kenyans torrents would be on the same "network" which would mean lots more local chunks than the russian case.
My reasoning also assumes that somehow if most of the chunks im looking for are in kilifi, mombasa or nairobi, ill get them faster than if most are in uzbekistan... simple mass X velocity here.....
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software <jonas@lamusoftware.com <mailto:jonas@lamusoftware.com> <mailto:jonas@lamusoftware.com <mailto:jonas@lamusoftware.com>>> wrote:
Don't really understand this. From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?
>From what I understand the advantage of a local tracker would only mean that most peers would be locally (initially at least) but how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker speeds only locally.
If the purpose is local content and MCSK would interfere wouldn't it be better to create a specific account at one of the big trackers that only uploads local content?
On the other hand ... maintaining a tracker in Kenya could be very cool if MCSK are relaxed about international content and the purpose would be to attract a lot of foreign visitors to the site. Problem is as always with hosting any bandwidth intense application locally ... the price of bandwidth.
There is also the option of a local direct connect hub - would maybe make more sense depending on the purpose (if someone still uses them :)?
On 10/21/2010 08:28 PM, [ Brainiac ] wrote:
im interested on the principle, not the content. (:-) ) If we have a local torrents search engine, with actual torrents that are local (or at least the first stop for most torrenters locally), it would do us good. so....
Who's up for the challenge?
On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Billy <billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com> <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com>> <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com> <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
Interestingly, MCSK actually doesn't care about international stuff (music, movies, videos) just local. Walk into any of those stalls where they burn music, movies, videos, games etc they'll tell you the same.
-Billy
2010/10/21 m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com>> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com>
<mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com>>>>
I agree, local torrents would be a very good idea. It's about time that we stopped being just consumers media emanating form ideas designed by internet users to help all around the world, and contribute something.
And one of the reasons that websites like mashada.com <http://mashada.com> <http://mashada.com> <http://mashada.com> and nationmedia.co.ke <http://nationmedia.co.ke> <http://nationmedia.co.ke> <http://nationmedia.co.ke> are so popular is that the users can
access local content easily.
However, challenges come to mind such as sharing of local media files being illegal (read MCSK, etc)
And for us that are on torrents sites a lot of time, let's make sure that we seed.
My thoughts, Mugo
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>> <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>
<mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>>>> wrote:
Hello skunks, I have been toying with this idea and would like someone to tell me if it indeed is true and makes sense.
Most people nowadays are downloading a lot of stuff on torrents, as a result, there is plenty of chunks around . Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks locally. Now im wondering, if there was a local torrents database, and local trackers, would that ensure popular files locally would be accessed faster ?
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On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:49 PM, mwangy@gmail.com <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
@brainiac this is assuming local loop is significantly faster and better accessed than sites in russia and europe. In my experience www.nationmedia.com and www.capitalfm.co.ke both load at the same rate as yahoo or facebook. Meaning that though we may get many more local seeders, speeds may not improve significantly.
@Mwangy, you overlooked one important thing, Facebook and Yahoo are heavy users of Akamai, that alone makes a world of difference in terms of speed of content delivery.
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[ Brainiac ] -
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Billy -
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m mugo -
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Peter Karunyu