On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:27 AM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:

@bernard.

I deliberately sterred off the content debate for the same reason. however, the merits of a local torrents database have to be LICENSE agnostic, it would be the same as arguing that high speed internet should not be availed cause it allows people to download pirated media.

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:57 AM, bernard kioko <bernsoft@gmail.com> wrote:
As much as I think the idea of a local torrent database would be great I do not share or in anyway encourage/support any project that would take advantage of local or international content......

MCSK or no MCSK, the content belongs to someone who has paid money and used time/effort to come up with it for the purpose of creating money and wealth (or just means of living). Taking a song (local or not local) and sharing it all over is not only illegal but immoral.

Just remember, with the fibre, what is needed is content. If we steal content, we are essentially killing the content development business which leaves us with fibre....

Support Local Content - Dont Steal from Local Content Developers!

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software <jonas@lamusoftware.com> wrote:

@Brainiac - will try to answer your question :)

"i get a torrent from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got
their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are
russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?"

The Pirate Bay is the largest tracker in the world (top 100 visited website even
I think) so you will get peers from all over the world. My experience is that the
location of the peers you get is mostly dependent on the torrent content - Spanish
soaps from South American and Spanish peers so Kenyan content would most likely
be mainly Kenyan and diaspora peers.

If there are any peers locally downloading the same torrents my understanding is
that these peers would be discovered anyway? Doesn't local peer discovery mean
that I would theoretically find other - for example Access Kenya - users easily?

"From a technical perspective isn't this what local peer discovery, DHT
and PEX do in a BT client - find local peers?"

And as mwangy points out - my other question:

"how does that benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker
speeds only locally."

So I don't think there will be any benefit in terms if quicker downloads is the
purpose. Unless you have a lot of friends downloading exactly the same torrents
with 10Mbps uplinks all using different ISPs (if local peer discovery works best
on the same subnet).

But there are a lot of other fun purposes :)

On 10/21/2010 09:49 PM, mwangy@gmail.com wrote:

@brainiac this is assuming local loop is significantly faster and better
accessed than sites in russia and europe. In my experience

www.nationmedia.com <http://www.nationmedia.com> and www.capitalfm.co.ke
<http://www.capitalfm.co.ke> both load at the same rate as yahoo or

facebook. Meaning that though we may get many more local seeders, speeds
may not improve significantly.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:35 PM, [ Brainiac ] <arebacollins@gmail.com
<mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>> wrote:

@jonas, you are exactly the right person to ask this.

lets take an example... torrents from piratebay, kickasstorrents and
isohunt, if i am downloading a certain file, and i get a torrent
from piratebay, i will download file chunks from clients that got
their torrent from pb, right? and assuming most of these are
russian, then ill be downloading my files from russia, sio?

If on the other hand we have a "default" torrents portal, where if
regularly seeded guys would get their torrents from, then a big
likelyhood would be that many of the Kenyans torrents would be on
the same "network" which would mean lots more local chunks than the
russian case.

My reasoning also assumes that somehow if most of the chunks im
looking for are in kilifi, mombasa or nairobi, ill get them faster
than if most are in uzbekistan... simple mass X velocity here.....

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Jonas | Lamu Software
<jonas@lamusoftware.com <mailto:jonas@lamusoftware.com>> wrote:

Don't really understand this. From a technical perspective isn't
this
what local peer discovery, DHT and PEX do in a BT client - find
local
peers?

>From what I understand the advantage of a local tracker would
only mean
that most peers would be locally (initially at least) but how
does that
benefit a user? I am not aware of any ISP offering quicker
speeds only
locally.

If the purpose is local content and MCSK would interfere
wouldn't it be
better to create a specific account at one of the big trackers
that only
uploads local content?

On the other hand ... maintaining a tracker in Kenya could be
very cool
if MCSK are relaxed about international content and the purpose
would be
to attract a lot of foreign visitors to the site. Problem is as
always with
hosting any bandwidth intense application locally ... the price
of bandwidth.

There is also the option of a local direct connect hub - would
maybe make
more sense depending on the purpose (if someone still uses them :)?

On 10/21/2010 08:28 PM, [ Brainiac ] wrote:

im interested on the principle, not the content. (:-) ) If
we have a
local torrents search engine, with actual torrents that are
local (or at
least the first stop for most torrenters locally), it would
do us good.
so....

Who's up for the challenge?

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Billy <billyx5@gmail.com
<mailto:billyx5@gmail.com>
<mailto:billyx5@gmail.com <mailto:billyx5@gmail.com>>> wrote:

Interestingly, MCSK actually doesn't care about
international stuff
(music, movies, videos) just local. Walk into any of
those stalls
where they burn music, movies, videos, games etc they'll
tell you
the same.

-Billy

2010/10/21 m mugo <mugo2of3@gmail.com
<mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com> <mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com

<mailto:mugo2of3@gmail.com>>>

I agree, local torrents would be a very good idea.
It's about
time that we stopped being just consumers media
emanating form
ideas designed by internet users to help all around
the world,
and contribute something.

And one of the reasons that websites like
mashada.com <http://mashada.com>
<http://mashada.com> and nationmedia.co.ke
<http://nationmedia.co.ke>
<http://nationmedia.co.ke> are so popular is that the users can

access local content easily.

However, challenges come to mind such as sharing of
local media
files being illegal (read MCSK, etc)

And for us that are on torrents sites a lot of time,
let's make
sure that we seed.

My thoughts,
Mugo

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 10:20 PM, [ Brainiac ]
<arebacollins@gmail.com <mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>
<mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com

<mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com>>> wrote:

Hello skunks,
I have been toying with this idea and would like
someone to
tell me if it indeed is true and makes sense.

Most people nowadays are downloading a lot of
stuff on
torrents, as a result, there is plenty of chunks
around .
Popular torrents thus have a lot more chunks
locally. Now im
wondering, if there was a local torrents
database, and local
trackers, would that ensure popular files
locally would be
accessed faster ?

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