CISCO(ccna 1 & 2) VS DEGREE IN I.T
If u have taken a dipoma in I.T and you want to specialize in networking, which is the best way forward???cisco or degree in I.T... thanx
Dennis my clear advice would be stick with the degree. Once you have it companies will send you for the training. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:07 PM, dennis munyotu <dmunyotu@gmail.com> wrote:
If u have taken a dipoma in I.T and you want to specialize in networking, which is the best way forward???cisco or degree in I.T... thanx
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Get the cisco certs and if you feel you need a pay rise or more responsibilities then your salary will pay for your degree. Many companies want a ready made product unless its the government. Wilson. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:23 PM, Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com>wrote:
Dennis my clear advice would be stick with the degree. Once you have it companies will send you for the training.
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:07 PM, dennis munyotu <dmunyotu@gmail.com> wrote:
If u have taken a dipoma in I.T and you want to specialize in networking, which is the best way forward???cisco or degree in I.T... thanx
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@Dennis My take is that you must decide between investing for the future or getting a short term return. 1. Certifications are not permanent and will hamper your future growth if not supported by a degree. You will be a great techie but overlooked when it comes to being considered for a managerial position. 2. A degree takes time and effort to complete whilst a certification can be done whilst working. Once you start working, getting time to complete a degree gets more difficult. 3. There is a positive side to the certification where jobs may be easily available. But you are faced with a very low glass ceiling which cannot be penetrated using certs. My 2 cnts. Athar
There are guys who take the two concurrently! I'd put more emphasis on the degree. If you can, take CCNA as part-time. On 8 February 2011 16:39, Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis
My take is that you must decide between investing for the future or getting a short term return.
1. Certifications are not permanent and will hamper your future growth if not supported by a degree. You will be a great techie but overlooked when it comes to being considered for a managerial position.
2. A degree takes time and effort to complete whilst a certification can be done whilst working. Once you start working, getting time to complete a degree gets more difficult.
3. There is a positive side to the certification where jobs may be easily available. But you are faced with a very low glass ceiling which cannot be penetrated using certs.
My 2 cnts.
Athar
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Says who.? On 2/8/11, Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis
My take is that you must decide between investing for the future or getting a short term return.
1. Certifications are not permanent and will hamper your future growth if not supported by a degree. You will be a great techie but overlooked when it comes to being considered for a managerial position.
2. A degree takes time and effort to complete whilst a certification can be done whilst working. Once you start working, getting time to complete a degree gets more difficult.
3. There is a positive side to the certification where jobs may be easily available. But you are faced with a very low glass ceiling which cannot be penetrated using certs.
My 2 cnts.
Athar
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My opinion based on painful personal experience. Had an MCSE, CNA, CCNA, CCEA wasn't worth much until my degree even after 9 years of experience. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Says who.?
On 2/8/11, Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis
My take is that you must decide between investing for the future or getting a short term return.
1. Certifications are not permanent and will hamper your future growth if not supported by a degree. You will be a great techie but overlooked when it comes to being considered for a managerial position.
2. A degree takes time and effort to complete whilst a certification can be done whilst working. Once you start working, getting time to complete a degree gets more difficult.
3. There is a positive side to the certification where jobs may be easily available. But you are faced with a very low glass ceiling which cannot be penetrated using certs.
My 2 cnts.
Athar
-- David Maina. P. O. Box 8310-00200, NAIROBI, KENYA.. Cell:+254-721-950073. Registered Linux User #407239. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "By golly, I'm beginning to think Linux really *is* the best thing since sliced bread." _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
My answer, it depends on WHO you want to work for, or if you intend to work for anyone at all... You could also do Engineering and drop out somewhere in fourth... Works too.. :-) On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com>wrote:
My opinion based on painful personal experience. Had an MCSE, CNA, CCNA, CCEA wasn't worth much until my degree even after 9 years of experience.
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Says who.?
On 2/8/11, Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis
My take is that you must decide between investing for the future or getting a short term return.
1. Certifications are not permanent and will hamper your future growth if not supported by a degree. You will be a great techie but overlooked when it comes to being considered for a managerial position.
2. A degree takes time and effort to complete whilst a certification can be done whilst working. Once you start working, getting time to complete a degree gets more difficult.
3. There is a positive side to the certification where jobs may be easily available. But you are faced with a very low glass ceiling which cannot be penetrated using certs.
My 2 cnts.
Athar
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ccna plus a degree is very good since you will understand networks very well. That appreciation of networks matters coz the degree won't give you lots of it. Plus experience you become king....but all this depends on what your goal is...ceo,technical consultant,sales engineer,network techie etc experience always matters at the end of the day check www.nipateonline.com On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:10 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
My answer, it depends on WHO you want to work for, or if you intend to work for anyone at all... You could also do Engineering and drop out somewhere in fourth... Works too.. :-)
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com>wrote:
My opinion based on painful personal experience. Had an MCSE, CNA, CCNA, CCEA wasn't worth much until my degree even after 9 years of experience.
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Says who.?
On 2/8/11, Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis
My take is that you must decide between investing for the future or getting a short term return.
1. Certifications are not permanent and will hamper your future growth if not supported by a degree. You will be a great techie but overlooked when it comes to being considered for a managerial position.
2. A degree takes time and effort to complete whilst a certification can be done whilst working. Once you start working, getting time to complete a degree gets more difficult.
3. There is a positive side to the certification where jobs may be easily available. But you are faced with a very low glass ceiling which cannot be penetrated using certs.
My 2 cnts.
Athar
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A degree is more like a baseline for most employers - I know like there have been people I've interviewed who have certifications and can actually do the work, but with no degree, decisions are made to drop them - this is happening in alot of places. Just like Athar says, you can always get the certification as you work ./Ok3ch On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:22 PM, peter kiuna <peterkiuna@gmail.com> wrote:
ccna plus a degree is very good since you will understand networks very well. That appreciation of networks matters coz the degree won't give you lots of it. Plus experience you become king....but all this depends on what your goal is...ceo,technical consultant,sales engineer,network techie etc experience always matters at the end of the day
check www.nipateonline.com
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:10 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
My answer, it depends on WHO you want to work for, or if you intend to work for anyone at all... You could also do Engineering and drop out somewhere in fourth... Works too.. :-)
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com>wrote:
My opinion based on painful personal experience. Had an MCSE, CNA, CCNA, CCEA wasn't worth much until my degree even after 9 years of experience.
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Says who.?
On 2/8/11, Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis
My take is that you must decide between investing for the future or getting a short term return.
1. Certifications are not permanent and will hamper your future growth if not supported by a degree. You will be a great techie but overlooked when it comes to being considered for a managerial position.
2. A degree takes time and effort to complete whilst a certification can be done whilst working. Once you start working, getting time to complete a degree gets more difficult.
3. There is a positive side to the certification where jobs may be easily available. But you are faced with a very low glass ceiling which cannot be penetrated using certs.
My 2 cnts.
Athar
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take the degree.the gud thing is you can combine the two.a place like k.u they offer the cisco courses in the campus so u can also consider that. On 2/8/11, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
A degree is more like a baseline for most employers - I know like there have been people I've interviewed who have certifications and can actually do the work, but with no degree, decisions are made to drop them - this is happening in alot of places. Just like Athar says, you can always get the certification as you work
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:22 PM, peter kiuna <peterkiuna@gmail.com> wrote:
ccna plus a degree is very good since you will understand networks very well. That appreciation of networks matters coz the degree won't give you lots of it. Plus experience you become king....but all this depends on what your goal is...ceo,technical consultant,sales engineer,network techie etc experience always matters at the end of the day
check www.nipateonline.com
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:10 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
My answer, it depends on WHO you want to work for, or if you intend to work for anyone at all... You could also do Engineering and drop out somewhere in fourth... Works too.. :-)
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com>wrote:
My opinion based on painful personal experience. Had an MCSE, CNA, CCNA, CCEA wasn't worth much until my degree even after 9 years of experience.
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Says who.?
On 2/8/11, Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com> wrote:
@Dennis
My take is that you must decide between investing for the future or getting a short term return.
1. Certifications are not permanent and will hamper your future growth if not supported by a degree. You will be a great techie but overlooked when it comes to being considered for a managerial position.
2. A degree takes time and effort to complete whilst a certification can be done whilst working. Once you start working, getting time to complete a degree gets more difficult.
3. There is a positive side to the certification where jobs may be easily available. But you are faced with a very low glass ceiling which cannot be penetrated using certs.
My 2 cnts.
Athar
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Degree.... Most companies will happily train you and bring you up to speed in Cisco etc, but they won't pay for your undergrad... On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Yast Labs <yastlabs@gmail.com> wrote:
take the degree.the gud thing is you can combine the two.a place like k.u they offer the cisco courses in the campus so u can also consider that.
On 2/8/11, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
A degree is more like a baseline for most employers - I know like there have been people I've interviewed who have certifications and can actually do the work, but with no degree, decisions are made to drop them - this is happening in alot of places. Just like Athar says, you can always get the certification as you work
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:22 PM, peter kiuna <peterkiuna@gmail.com> wrote:
ccna plus a degree is very good since you will understand networks very well. That appreciation of networks matters coz the degree won't give you lots of it. Plus experience you become king....but all this depends on what your goal is...ceo,technical consultant,sales engineer,network techie etc experience always matters at the end of the day
check www.nipateonline.com
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:10 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
My answer, it depends on WHO you want to work for, or if you intend to work for anyone at all... You could also do Engineering and drop out somewhere in fourth... Works too.. :-)
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com>wrote:
My opinion based on painful personal experience. Had an MCSE, CNA, CCNA, CCEA wasn't worth much until my degree even after 9 years of experience.
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Says who.?
On 2/8/11, Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com> wrote: > @Dennis > > My take is that you must decide between investing for the future or getting > a short term return. > > 1. Certifications are not permanent and will hamper your future > growth if > not supported by a degree. You will be a great techie but overlooked when it > comes to being considered for a managerial position. > > 2. A degree takes time and effort to complete whilst a certification can be > done whilst working. Once you start working, getting time to complete a > degree gets more difficult. > > > 3. There is a positive side to the certification where jobs may be easily > available. But you are faced with a very low glass ceiling which cannot be > penetrated using certs. > > My 2 cnts. > > > > Athar >
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I always prefer a degree as it opens you up to more areas though you will not necessarily specialize in them. Your first job will decide which area to specialize in. eg. I always wanted to specialize deveolpment in software, but after the first job, I took to networking. You may not get training in the company that employs you, but certifications are cheaper and take shorter time (Good if you have a tight schedule at work). On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Degree.... Most companies will happily train you and bring you up to speed in Cisco etc, but they won't pay for your undergrad...
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Yast Labs <yastlabs@gmail.com> wrote:
take the degree.the gud thing is you can combine the two.a place like k.u they offer the cisco courses in the campus so u can also consider that.
On 2/8/11, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
A degree is more like a baseline for most employers - I know like there have been people I've interviewed who have certifications and can actually do the work, but with no degree, decisions are made to drop them - this is happening in alot of places. Just like Athar says, you can always get the certification as you work
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:22 PM, peter kiuna <peterkiuna@gmail.com> wrote:
ccna plus a degree is very good since you will understand networks very well. That appreciation of networks matters coz the degree won't give you lots of it. Plus experience you become king....but all this depends on what your goal is...ceo,technical consultant,sales engineer,network techie etc experience always matters at the end of the day
check www.nipateonline.com
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:10 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
My answer, it depends on WHO you want to work for, or if you intend to work for anyone at all... You could also do Engineering and drop out somewhere in fourth... Works too.. :-)
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com>wrote:
My opinion based on painful personal experience. Had an MCSE, CNA, CCNA, CCEA wasn't worth much until my degree even after 9 years of experience.
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
> Says who.? > > > On 2/8/11, Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com> wrote: > > @Dennis > > > > My take is that you must decide between investing for the future or > getting > > a short term return. > > > > 1. Certifications are not permanent and will hamper your future > > growth > if > > not supported by a degree. You will be a great techie but overlooked > when it > > comes to being considered for a managerial position. > > > > 2. A degree takes time and effort to complete whilst a certification > can be > > done whilst working. Once you start working, getting time to complete > a > > degree gets more difficult. > > > > > > 3. There is a positive side to the certification where jobs may be > easily > > available. But you are faced with a very low glass ceiling which > cannot be > > penetrated using certs. > > > > My 2 cnts. > > > > > > > > Athar > > > > > -- > David Maina. > P. O. Box 8310-00200, > NAIROBI, > KENYA.. > Cell:+254-721-950073. > Registered Linux User #407239. >
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thanks alot skunkers ive realised that its best to do the degree then the cisco afterwards or during the breaks....God bless u all. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Boniface <mboteb@gmail.com> wrote:
I always prefer a degree as it opens you up to more areas though you will not necessarily specialize in them. Your first job will decide which area to specialize in. eg. I always wanted to specialize deveolpment in software, but after the first job, I took to networking. You may not get training in the company that employs you, but certifications are cheaper and take shorter time (Good if you have a tight schedule at work).
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Degree.... Most companies will happily train you and bring you up to speed in Cisco etc, but they won't pay for your undergrad...
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Yast Labs <yastlabs@gmail.com> wrote:
take the degree.the gud thing is you can combine the two.a place like k.u they offer the cisco courses in the campus so u can also consider that.
On 2/8/11, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
A degree is more like a baseline for most employers - I know like there have been people I've interviewed who have certifications and can actually do the work, but with no degree, decisions are made to drop them - this is happening in alot of places. Just like Athar says, you can always get the certification as you work
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:22 PM, peter kiuna <peterkiuna@gmail.com> wrote:
ccna plus a degree is very good since you will understand networks very well. That appreciation of networks matters coz the degree won't give you lots of it. Plus experience you become king....but all this depends on what your goal is...ceo,technical consultant,sales engineer,network techie etc experience always matters at the end of the day
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On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:10 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
My answer, it depends on WHO you want to work for, or if you intend to work for anyone at all... You could also do Engineering and drop out somewhere in fourth... Works too.. :-)
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com>wrote:
> My opinion based on painful personal experience. Had an MCSE, CNA, > CCNA, > CCEA wasn't worth much until my degree even after 9 years of experience. > > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Says who.? >> >> >> On 2/8/11, Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com> wrote: >> > @Dennis >> > >> > My take is that you must decide between investing for the future or >> getting >> > a short term return. >> > >> > 1. Certifications are not permanent and will hamper your future >> > growth >> if >> > not supported by a degree. You will be a great techie but overlooked >> when it >> > comes to being considered for a managerial position. >> > >> > 2. A degree takes time and effort to complete whilst a certification >> can be >> > done whilst working. Once you start working, getting time to complete >> a >> > degree gets more difficult. >> > >> > >> > 3. There is a positive side to the certification where jobs may be >> easily >> > available. But you are faced with a very low glass ceiling which >> cannot be >> > penetrated using certs. >> > >> > My 2 cnts. >> > >> > >> > >> > Athar >> > >> >> >> -- >> David Maina. >> P. O. Box 8310-00200, >> NAIROBI, >> KENYA.. >> Cell:+254-721-950073. >> Registered Linux User #407239. >>
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@Athar Ahmad I feel your pain, luckily this whole degree cert thing doesn't apply much to programming p.s there is more to cisco than ccna whole lot more -- On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 4:07 PM, dennis munyotu <dmunyotu@gmail.com> wrote:
thanks alot skunkers ive realised that its best to do the degree then the cisco afterwards or during the breaks....God bless u all.
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Boniface <mboteb@gmail.com> wrote:
I always prefer a degree as it opens you up to more areas though you will not necessarily specialize in them. Your first job will decide which area to specialize in. eg. I always wanted to specialize deveolpment in software, but after the first job, I took to networking. You may not get training in the company that employs you, but certifications are cheaper and take shorter time (Good if you have a tight schedule at work).
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
Degree.... Most companies will happily train you and bring you up to speed in Cisco etc, but they won't pay for your undergrad...
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 10:15 PM, Yast Labs <yastlabs@gmail.com> wrote:
take the degree.the gud thing is you can combine the two.a place like k.u they offer the cisco courses in the campus so u can also consider that.
On 2/8/11, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
A degree is more like a baseline for most employers - I know like there have been people I've interviewed who have certifications and can actually do the work, but with no degree, decisions are made to drop them - this is happening in alot of places. Just like Athar says, you can always get the certification as you work
./Ok3ch
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:22 PM, peter kiuna <peterkiuna@gmail.com> wrote:
ccna plus a degree is very good since you will understand networks very well. That appreciation of networks matters coz the degree won't give you lots of it. Plus experience you become king....but all this depends on what your goal is...ceo,technical consultant,sales engineer,network techie etc experience always matters at the end of the day
check www.nipateonline.com
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:10 PM, [Brainiac] <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
> My answer, it depends on WHO you want to work for, or if you intend to > work for anyone at all... You could also do Engineering and drop out > somewhere in fourth... Works too.. :-) > > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Athar Ahmad Bhatti > <atharab@gmail.com>wrote: > >> My opinion based on painful personal experience. Had an MCSE, CNA, >> CCNA, >> CCEA wasn't worth much until my degree even after 9 years of experience. >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:52 PM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Says who.? >>> >>> >>> On 2/8/11, Athar Ahmad Bhatti <atharab@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > @Dennis >>> > >>> > My take is that you must decide between investing for the future or >>> getting >>> > a short term return. >>> > >>> > 1. Certifications are not permanent and will hamper your future >>> > growth >>> if >>> > not supported by a degree. You will be a great techie but overlooked >>> when it >>> > comes to being considered for a managerial position. >>> > >>> > 2. A degree takes time and effort to complete whilst a certification >>> can be >>> > done whilst working. Once you start working, getting time to complete >>> a >>> > degree gets more difficult. >>> > >>> > >>> > 3. There is a positive side to the certification where jobs may be >>> easily >>> > available. But you are faced with a very low glass ceiling which >>> cannot be >>> > penetrated using certs. >>> > >>> > My 2 cnts. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Athar >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> David Maina. >>> P. O. Box 8310-00200, >>> NAIROBI, >>> KENYA.. >>> Cell:+254-721-950073. >>> Registered Linux User #407239. >>>
>>> "By golly, I'm beginning to think Linux really *is* the best thing >>> since sliced bread." >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three developments of > great political importance: the growth of democracy, the growth of > corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of > protecting corporate power against democracy”* > > ~ Alex Carey ~ > > Tel No: 0x2af23696 > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Goodluck getting promoted to management level with your certs! Certs are okay if intend to stick at technician level forever.
cud advice u to go for cicso plus other server administration certification or any other related certs. On 2/8/11, dennis munyotu <dmunyotu@gmail.com> wrote:
If u have taken a dipoma in I.T and you want to specialize in networking, which is the best way forward???cisco or degree in I.T... thanx
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adding to my 2 cents, certifications are doing better then degrees On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 16:07, dennis munyotu <dmunyotu@gmail.com> wrote:
If u have taken a dipoma in I.T and you want to specialize in networking, which is the best way forward???cisco or degree in I.T... thanx
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Hi Dennis, I would advice you to take on both. You can actually work on both simulatenously. A basic degree is important for the employer to understand your capability. A Cisco or another certification is a specialization channel, important indicate your skill level to your employer. To prosper, one cannot work without the other. Regards. On 2/8/11, dennis munyotu <dmunyotu@gmail.com> wrote:
If u have taken a dipoma in I.T and you want to specialize in networking, which is the best way forward???cisco or degree in I.T... thanx
A degree is the best course of action. nowadays cisco has been placed in the degree course. so in essence you will kill 2 birds with one stop. On 16 February 2011 15:35, techi <myskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dennis,
I would advice you to take on both. You can actually work on both simulatenously. A basic degree is important for the employer to understand your capability. A Cisco or another certification is a specialization channel, important indicate your skill level to your employer. To prosper, one cannot work without the other.
Regards.
On 2/8/11, dennis munyotu <dmunyotu@gmail.com> wrote:
If u have taken a dipoma in I.T and you want to specialize in networking, which is the best way forward???cisco or degree in I.T... thanx
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[Brainiac] -
allan oware -
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Boniface -
dennis munyotu -
Felakut -
gisho -
Joe Maina -
mabeya conseray -
maina -
mash lists -
Okechukwu -
peter kiuna -
Phares Kariuki -
techi -
Wilson B. -
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