Having problem here too. Uunet seems to be switching people to satellite On 11/30/09, Martin Muraguri <martinmur87@gmail.com> wrote:

Word Up!

There has been a cable cut @ Mariakani or some place with a name close to that!

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:35 PM, excuseme yespliz <xgetbusy@gmail.com>wrote:

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hi all

are KDN links down ama am I the only one having a nightmare

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are KDN links down ama am I the only one having a nightmare

Im also featuring in the nightmare

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I wouldn't imagine using the sewer network in Nairobi :( -- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani Fundi wa Mitambo 2009/11/30 Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>

Someone told me ( i am no civil engineer) that the way cables are being installed in Kenya is wanting. I have seen that in france the fibre cables take advantage of the sewer network which is made of concrete. Ideally the cables should have a concrete covering to protect it from Tectonic shifts and vandalism? Which means this thing of laying down the cable without any protective covering guarantees that cables will continue being cut whether by people or mother nature.

Of course concrete covering is many times more expensive but many wouldnt be facing the nightmare. Im also not sure if this discussion has already happened. Any engineers to give their views?

Joram

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Brian Lusiola <lusiola@gmail.com> wrote:

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2009/11/30 excuseme yespliz <xgetbusy@gmail.com>

hi all

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are KDN links down ama am I the only one having a nightmare

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Ive been having the same problems. I think though it is the way the infrastructure has been laid down that is causing all this. The wifi / wimax and not the fiber. The captive portal sucks. On 11/30/09, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:

if you think about it it holds up better than fibre so far, and im sure congestion in sewers wouldnt affect the fibre cable

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <ngugikimani@gmail.com> wrote:

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I wouldn't imagine using the sewer network in Nairobi :(

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2009/11/30 Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>

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Someone told me ( i am no civil engineer) that the way cables are being installed in Kenya is wanting. I have seen that in france the fibre cables take advantage of the sewer network which is made of concrete. Ideally the cables should have a concrete covering to protect it from Tectonic shifts and vandalism? Which means this thing of laying down the cable without any protective covering guarantees that cables will continue being cut whether by people or mother nature.

Of course concrete covering is many times more expensive but many wouldnt be facing the nightmare. Im also not sure if this discussion has already happened. Any engineers to give their views?

Joram

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Brian Lusiola <lusiola@gmail.com> wrote:

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2009/11/30 excuseme yespliz <xgetbusy@gmail.com>

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hi all

are KDN links down ama am I  the only one having a nightmare

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And in Germany, the cables are under the road network - and so is all cable for telephone, power and the likes. ./Ok3ch On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:23 PM, maina martin <martinafrique@gmail.com>wrote:

they are back.....!!!

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>wrote:

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if you think about it it holds up better than fibre so far, and im sure congestion in sewers wouldnt affect the fibre cable

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <ngugikimani@gmail.com>wrote:

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I wouldn't imagine using the sewer network in Nairobi :(

-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani Fundi wa Mitambo

2009/11/30 Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>

Someone told me ( i am no civil engineer) that the way cables are being

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installed in Kenya is wanting. I have seen that in france the fibre cables take advantage of the sewer network which is made of concrete. Ideally the cables should have a concrete covering to protect it from Tectonic shifts and vandalism? Which means this thing of laying down the cable without any protective covering guarantees that cables will continue being cut whether by people or mother nature.

Of course concrete covering is many times more expensive but many wouldnt be facing the nightmare. Im also not sure if this discussion has already happened. Any engineers to give their views?

Joram

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Brian Lusiola <lusiola@gmail.com>wrote:

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2009/11/30 excuseme yespliz <xgetbusy@gmail.com>

hi all

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are KDN links down ama am I the only one having a nightmare

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I'm sure these companies will start a blame game yet again! On 30/11/2009, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm sure the mobicos will start a blame game yet again!

On 30/11/2009, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:

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And in Germany, the cables are under the road network - and so is all cable for telephone, power and the likes.

./Ok3ch

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:23 PM, maina martin <martinafrique@gmail.com> wrote:

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they are back.....!!!

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:

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if you think about it it holds up better than fibre so far, and im sure congestion in sewers wouldnt affect the fibre cable

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <ngugikimani@gmail.com> wrote:

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I wouldn't imagine using the sewer network in Nairobi :(

-- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani Fundi wa Mitambo

2009/11/30 Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com>

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Someone told me ( i am no civil engineer) that the way cables are being installed in Kenya is wanting. I have seen that in france the fibre cables take advantage of the sewer network which is made of concrete. Ideally the cables should have a concrete covering to protect it from Tectonic shifts and vandalism? Which means this thing of laying down the cable without any protective covering guarantees that cables will continue being cut whether by people or mother nature.

Of course concrete covering is many times more expensive but many wouldnt be facing the nightmare. Im also not sure if this discussion has already happened. Any engineers to give their views?

Joram

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Brian Lusiola <lusiola@gmail.com> wrote: > > 2009/11/30 excuseme yespliz <xgetbusy@gmail.com> > >> hi all >> >> are KDN links down ama am I  the only one having a nightmare >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science:  http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi:     http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > > > > Currently on satellite.  [?] Boooooring. > > > -- > Lusiola Brian > Everyone has photographic memory, not everyone has film though. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science:  http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi:     http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general

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I disagree! Kenyans have percular 'calling' (short n long) habits :-) -----Original Message----- From: Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com> Reply-to: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> To: Skunkworks Forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] KDN LINKS down Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:16:13 +0300 Ngugi, I believe what flows in the Nairobi sewerage network is the same as what flows in London, Paris, and even New York sewerage systems. But I stand to be corrected. :) Me. 2009/11/30 Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> I'm sure these companies will start a blame game yet again! On 30/11/2009, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm sure the mobicos will start a blame game yet again! > > On 30/11/2009, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote: >> And in Germany, the cables are under the road network - and so is all >> cable >> for telephone, power and the likes. >> >> ./Ok3ch >> >> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:23 PM, maina martin <martinafrique@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> they are back.....!!! >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> if you think about it it holds up better than fibre so far, and im sure >>>> congestion in sewers wouldnt affect the fibre cable >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Ngũgĩ Kĩmani <ngugikimani@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I wouldn't imagine using the sewer network in Nairobi :( >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ngũgĩ Kĩmani >>>>> Fundi wa Mitambo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2009/11/30 Joram Mwinamo <joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>>> Someone told me ( i am no civil engineer) that the way cables are >>>>>> being >>>>>> installed in Kenya is wanting. I have seen that in france the fibre >>>>>> cables take advantage of the sewer network which is made of concrete. >>>>>> Ideally the cables should have a concrete covering to protect it from >>>>>> Tectonic shifts and vandalism? Which means this thing of laying down >>>>>> the cable without any protective covering guarantees that cables will >>>>>> continue being cut whether by people or mother nature. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course concrete covering is many times more expensive but many >>>>>> wouldnt be facing the nightmare. Im also not sure if this discussion >>>>>> has already happened. Any engineers to give their views? >>>>>> >>>>>> Joram >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Brian Lusiola <lusiola@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2009/11/30 excuseme yespliz <xgetbusy@gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hi all >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> are KDN links down ama am I the only one having a nightmare >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>>>> ------------ >>>>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>>>> Other lists >>>>>>>> ------------- >>>>>>>> Announce: >>>>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >>>>>>>> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >>>>>>>> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Currently on satellite. 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Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi > Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 > > Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the > same way to the side of a hill! > > AND > > It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity! > > http://dawn-in-kenya.blogspot.com > http://smiley2.wordpress.com > http://mburu.sikika.co.ke > > > > > > > -- Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill! AND It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity! http://dawn-in-kenya.blogspot.com http://smiley2.wordpress.com http://mburu.sikika.co.ke _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general -- שִׁמְעוֹן _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general -- Regards, Joe Linux User: #361092 SIP: joe.njeru@ekiga.net

@joe & dennis: LOL! [?] @Joram: I've been having the sentiments all along since I the first time I saw the cables being laid. The cables are pretty fragile and I thought they'd invest in concrete conduits even though the initial cost of this would be pretty steep! Actually if the telcos had pooled their resources into a collaborative effort where they share both the cost of and the infrastructure itself we would be experiencing less downtime now... KR John On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:

The issue is not what flows there, but its design. the sewage system in some areas of Nairobi is almost above the road. We need to redesign the system before we have an "open sauce" sewage system

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@Simon: I think the tunnels in the sewer systems out there are large enough for people to walk through upright, even sometimes operate from, the reason we have the phrase "the underworld", I doubt the installers there will be soiling themselves; not the same thing here. :( -- Ngũgĩ Kĩmani Fundi wa Mitambo 2009/11/30 Simon Mbuthia <simon.mbuthia@gmail.com>

Ngugi,

I believe what flows in the Nairobi sewerage network is the same as what flows in London, Paris, and even New York sewerage systems. But I stand to be corrected.

:)

Me.

2009/11/30 Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com>

I'm sure these companies will start a blame game yet again!

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On 30/11/2009, Solomon Mburu Kamau <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:

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I'm sure the mobicos will start a blame game yet again!

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And in Germany, the cables are under the road network - and so is all cable for telephone, power and the likes.

./Ok3ch

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>> Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are >> powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that >> frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that >> other >> people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, >> we >> consciously give other people permission to do the same. >> As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates >> others. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> Other lists >> ------------- >> Announce: >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce >> Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science >> kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general

-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- God is not an excuse for lack of discipline -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.

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-- Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041

Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!

AND

It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity!

http://dawn-in-kenya.blogspot.com http://smiley2.wordpress.com http://mburu.sikika.co.ke

-- Solomon Mbũrũ Kamau P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041

Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!

AND

It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity!

http://dawn-in-kenya.blogspot.com http://smiley2.wordpress.com http://mburu.sikika.co.ke

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