Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING?
Ladies and gentlemen, http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Time+to+stop+avoidable+deaths+on+killer+highway +/-/1056/1396002/-/u9vfe/-/index.html This is heartwrenching.! Certainly in as much as this is not ICT-related as Edith pointed out, we can do something. We have a majority of the media houses represented on this list. Could we take cue, and turn this into a major countrywide publicity campaign, to educate/inform/sensitize.? What tools can ICT bring to bear, not only here but across the nation to help reduce this mayhem..? Skunks..? Regards, Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Edith Adera Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 11:35 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING? Listers, One may ask, why talk about roads on an ICT list? As a vision 2030 project like Konza City, I thought it's important to bring to our attention the dangers of cutting corners.I hope this will NOT happen with Konza city. I would like to address this note to Mugo Kibati as Director of V2030. On Friday, amidst the pounding rain, I ventured out on Thika road (for the first time, since the super highway was done)..I've been avoiding the road like a plague given the grisly stories I hear about thika road. But this time, it was out of necessity. I've seen the dazzling roads of south Africa, Dubai, the US, Japan.you name it..so in my mind I thought a "slip road" would be the standard slip road it ought to be; sign boards would be clear so I know where to go and when to turn off; and that I should NOT expect (NEVER) to find a speed bump smack right in the middle of the highway when I've hit 100+km per hour and enjoying the cruise. We appreciate the development (one should not question that), but can we do things with excellence? First, I was on a lane around Parklands heading towards Thika, when suddenly I noticed on-coming cars flashing, warning me that while I was right to use that lane as a short diversion, I had missed an opening that should have taken me back to the right lane! I promptly took the next left turning to get back to the right lane, luckily I was driving at snail speed. The next encounter was when I suddenly came across a notice board indicating that the road was closed, but it was not clear which one - the one ahead or the one to my right.my sixth sense suggested a take the road on the right, when I did, it happened to be the right one, but yet again, there were cars coming from the right side of that road from behind me and a had a near miss with a speeding country bus.and you know how they zoom! (I understand later another car did not know which route to take at this same spot and crashed the barriers at high speed and the driver was removed from his car unconscious! possibly dead!). My next headache was to find out which slip road to take off Thika road to my destination - I have never seen 90o slip roads..the standard from my lay knowledge is that they are around 350 - 45o - Thika road has 90o slip roads!!! - how do you do that from a highway! Finally, on my way back, I had to make some maneuvers below a bridge to get back onto the road coming back to Nairobi (with huge concrete walls on the side so you can't see other cars coming from all directions) - I've never seen interchanges under a bridge with blind spots and cars coming in all directions! Thika road is a death trap and needs to be sorted out as soon as possible. Summary 1. The slips roads need to be made proper slip roads with clear signs 2. The bumps on the highways should be removed and foot bridges constructed for pedestrians 3. The interchanges, need to be rectified and ensure people moving in different directions do so without meeting cars coming in the opposite directions (at a blind spot with concrete walls - the Museum area is a classic example) - do 2-3 layers of road even consider underground passages, but for heavens sake don't let ongoing cars meet under a bridge with blind spots. 4. Have proper legible sign boards erected urgently. While the road is under construction and one can dismiss issues raised about Thika road indicating that diversions are just temporary, the main point of my intervention is with the design and its usability in a safe manner. The fact is that Thika road is not safe as it's currently designed - it does not give the impression that it was done by those who have done the roads we see in other countries that work. Mugo, I look forward to hearing from you and trust that you will have discussions with your counterparts at the Ministry of Roads so Kenyans know that something will be done about Thika Road. It is sad that while many Kenyans have complained about this road among themselves, we do not have forums to bring this to the attention of the decision-makers. This is my attempt and I believe we will hear from you. Lets design and implement Konza differently..we must never compromise on standards. Edith (personal opinion)
Harry and fellow skunks, I work on thika road and I cross the highway at least 3 times in a day. Other than the accidents e.g. the one that claimed the lives of the 2 beautiful sisters who were in KU ( it was a mat overlapping and went straight to a stationery truck) , the attitude of drivers on thika road is the problem. Not the all road signs and flyovers are complete.they are WIP. But does someone going to Kahawa have to do 130KPH for the road is good It the Kenyan culture we have, ...drivers wonder what the hell with these pedestrians who are crossing slowly and pedestrians can walk into a flying car because they have a right. Thanks Oscar From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Harry Delano Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 12:23 PM To: 'Edith Adera' Cc: skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions' Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING? Ladies and gentlemen, http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Time+to+stop+avoidable+deaths+on+killer+highway +/-/1056/1396002/-/u9vfe/-/index.html This is heartwrenching.! Certainly in as much as this is not ICT-related as Edith pointed out, we can do something. We have a majority of the media houses represented on this list. Could we take cue, and turn this into a major countrywide publicity campaign, to educate/inform/sensitize.? What tools can ICT bring to bear, not only here but across the nation to help reduce this mayhem..? Skunks..? Regards, Harry From: kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke [mailto:kictanet-bounces+harry=comtelsys.co.ke@lists.kictanet.or.ke] On Behalf Of Edith Adera Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 11:35 AM To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke Cc: KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions Subject: [kictanet] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING? Listers, One may ask, why talk about roads on an ICT list? As a vision 2030 project like Konza City, I thought it's important to bring to our attention the dangers of cutting corners.I hope this will NOT happen with Konza city. I would like to address this note to Mugo Kibati as Director of V2030. On Friday, amidst the pounding rain, I ventured out on Thika road (for the first time, since the super highway was done)..I've been avoiding the road like a plague given the grisly stories I hear about thika road. But this time, it was out of necessity. I've seen the dazzling roads of south Africa, Dubai, the US, Japan.you name it..so in my mind I thought a "slip road" would be the standard slip road it ought to be; sign boards would be clear so I know where to go and when to turn off; and that I should NOT expect (NEVER) to find a speed bump smack right in the middle of the highway when I've hit 100+km per hour and enjoying the cruise. We appreciate the development (one should not question that), but can we do things with excellence? First, I was on a lane around Parklands heading towards Thika, when suddenly I noticed on-coming cars flashing, warning me that while I was right to use that lane as a short diversion, I had missed an opening that should have taken me back to the right lane! I promptly took the next left turning to get back to the right lane, luckily I was driving at snail speed. The next encounter was when I suddenly came across a notice board indicating that the road was closed, but it was not clear which one - the one ahead or the one to my right.my sixth sense suggested a take the road on the right, when I did, it happened to be the right one, but yet again, there were cars coming from the right side of that road from behind me and a had a near miss with a speeding country bus.and you know how they zoom! (I understand later another car did not know which route to take at this same spot and crashed the barriers at high speed and the driver was removed from his car unconscious! possibly dead!). My next headache was to find out which slip road to take off Thika road to my destination - I have never seen 90o slip roads..the standard from my lay knowledge is that they are around 350 - 45o - Thika road has 90o slip roads!!! - how do you do that from a highway! Finally, on my way back, I had to make some maneuvers below a bridge to get back onto the road coming back to Nairobi (with huge concrete walls on the side so you can't see other cars coming from all directions) - I've never seen interchanges under a bridge with blind spots and cars coming in all directions! Thika road is a death trap and needs to be sorted out as soon as possible. Summary 1. The slips roads need to be made proper slip roads with clear signs 2. The bumps on the highways should be removed and foot bridges constructed for pedestrians 3. The interchanges, need to be rectified and ensure people moving in different directions do so without meeting cars coming in the opposite directions (at a blind spot with concrete walls - the Museum area is a classic example) - do 2-3 layers of road even consider underground passages, but for heavens sake don't let ongoing cars meet under a bridge with blind spots. 4. Have proper legible sign boards erected urgently. While the road is under construction and one can dismiss issues raised about Thika road indicating that diversions are just temporary, the main point of my intervention is with the design and its usability in a safe manner. The fact is that Thika road is not safe as it's currently designed - it does not give the impression that it was done by those who have done the roads we see in other countries that work. Mugo, I look forward to hearing from you and trust that you will have discussions with your counterparts at the Ministry of Roads so Kenyans know that something will be done about Thika Road. It is sad that while many Kenyans have complained about this road among themselves, we do not have forums to bring this to the attention of the decision-makers. This is my attempt and I believe we will hear from you. Lets design and implement Konza differently..we must never compromise on standards. Edith (personal opinion)
Harry, Cameras can do the trip to curb speeding and ensure that Matatus stick to service lanes. That is one quick intervention. Sent from my BlackBerry® -----Original Message----- From: "Harry Delano" <harry@comtelsys.co.ke> Sender: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:22:40 To: 'Edith Adera'<eadera@idrc.or.ke> Reply-To: harry@comtelsys.co.ke, Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Cc: <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke>; 'KICTAnet ICT Policy Discussions'<kictanet@lists.kictanet.or.ke> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING? _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://orion.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
in my opinion i do not think we are ready to use the speed traps or Cameras as there is no sure way of tracing the driver of the vehicle at the time the traffic offense was commited On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:54 PM, <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Harry,
Cameras can do the trip to curb speeding and ensure that Matatus stick to service lanes. That is one quick intervention. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Why build Super Highways, then start put speed traps???? We might as well survived with the dual carriage and the jam would slow us down [?][?][?][?]... Anyway, super highway or not, accidents are bount to happen especially cause some people fail to use common sense and poor judgements...eg why drive a car you just hired at 140kph yet you have no clue on the maintenance history? Or speed on a road you are not accustomed to??? Or drive a Probox (aka Mende) and try overtaking a Turbo charged Subaru or Benz???...me thots On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:16 PM, joel eliakim <joeliakim@gmail.com> wrote:
in my opinion i do not think we are ready to use the speed traps or Cameras as there is no sure way of tracing the driver of the vehicle at the time the traffic offense was commited
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:54 PM, <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Harry,
Cameras can do the trip to curb speeding and ensure that Matatus stick to service lanes. That is one quick intervention. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Nearly all the accidents on Thika Road have been cause by human error. A few by the chinese guy. I think we the drivers shud be carefull while driving. PS: @Rocky, i think u ment 'supercharged' benz... On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Rocky Mbithi <rockymbithi@gmail.com> wrote:
Why build Super Highways, then start put speed traps???? We might as well survived with the dual carriage and the jam would slow us down [?][?][?][?]... Anyway, super highway or not, accidents are bount to happen especially cause some people fail to use common sense and poor judgements...eg why drive a car you just hired at 140kph yet you have no clue on the maintenance history? Or speed on a road you are not accustomed to??? Or drive a Probox (aka Mende) and try overtaking a Turbo charged Subaru or Benz???...me thots
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:16 PM, joel eliakim <joeliakim@gmail.com> wrote:
in my opinion i do not think we are ready to use the speed traps or Cameras as there is no sure way of tracing the driver of the vehicle at the time the traffic offense was commited
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:54 PM, <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Harry,
Cameras can do the trip to curb speeding and ensure that Matatus stick to service lanes. That is one quick intervention. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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Why not MARK the road first and put proper signs. Other wise lets have speed bumps all over till they finish the highway to a usable state. I have been lost myself many times and ended up on the wrong side of the road or had to give way to another lost driver. And the cops on this route just are not interested in your safety or that of other road users, they just want you to make the mistake so they can arrest you. How does a policeman stop you right on the highway and to keep themselves safe as they talk to you from the passenger side to ensure they are not exposed to the speeding cars while you just pray that no speeding lorry shows up behind you as you give your driving licence for a 'spot check'. Moses. On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:16 PM, joel eliakim <joeliakim@gmail.com> wrote:
in my opinion i do not think we are ready to use the speed traps or Cameras as there is no sure way of tracing the driver of the vehicle at the time the traffic offense was commited
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:54 PM, <otieno.barrack@gmail.com> wrote:
Harry,
Cameras can do the trip to curb speeding and ensure that Matatus stick to service lanes. That is one quick intervention. Sent from my BlackBerry®
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In my view we need a total overhaul of the whole system a change of attitude by everybody drivers, pedestrians cart pusher everybody. Technology cannot operate in a vaccum so was caught on camera speeding so how do you follow up. I think we should all be forced to go back to school and made to understand what it entails to be on the carriageway. Had asked earlier what distance would be appropriate to keep between cars when traveling at 100kph? You were never taught that in school and never tested on it so why would you be surprised when there is a multiple pile up. We generally don't value human life is driving under the influence legal? Road signs are required everywhere not just on Thika road basically we just need to change how we relate with the road.
I think we are taking this matter casually yet it presents an opportunity for innovators, any time i have been driven around europe i have noted that the drivers are very weary of cameras, most of the GPS systems even detect cameras in the vicinity, this deters any drivers who are tempted to speed or commit any traffic crimes, Cameras are very effective in that they can capture a cars number plate, with these police can go after the owners of the vehicles who will in turn produce the people who were driving the car or take responsibility for the crime. In simple times technology can help the police enforce the law since human beings have a natural affinity to break the law. My 2 cents On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 9:09 PM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote:
In my view we need a total overhaul of the whole system a change of attitude by everybody drivers, pedestrians cart pusher everybody. Technology cannot operate in a vaccum so was caught on camera speeding so how do you follow up. I think we should all be forced to go back to school and made to understand what it entails to be on the carriageway. Had asked earlier what distance would be appropriate to keep between cars when traveling at 100kph? You were never taught that in school and nrever tested on it so why would you be surprised when there is a multiple pile up. We generally don't value human life is driving under the influence legal? Road signs are required everywhere not just on Thika road basically we just need to change how we relate with the road.
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I was in South Africa recently, and from what I saw, I have the following comments: 1. The speed limit on the highway from O.R Tambo Airport is 110Km/H 2. People DO drive that fast. 3. The road has clear markings. The signs are hung above the road, NOT ON THE SIDE. 3. The signs are legible and are lighted properly 4. the road has proper Concrete shoulders.. NOT these Ghastly metal barriers that people are stealing. 5. The corners are banked. This prevents aquaplaning especially in the wet weather. 6. The exits are clearly marked, and have adequate leeway. 7. The roads have proper lights 8. People prefer to use the GauTrain to get to the airport. Every time I am on Jogoo road and see the Ghastly flyovers, I think to myself, The architects and engineers are DEAD! Is it that we have sacrificed professionalism, safety, aesthetics and commonsense at the alter of corruption and greed? We need to do better. ./Sam On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 9:34 PM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
I think we are taking this matter casually yet it presents an opportunity for innovators, any time i have been driven around europe i have noted that the drivers are very weary of cameras, most of the GPS systems even detect cameras in the vicinity, this deters any drivers who are tempted to speed or commit any traffic crimes, Cameras are very effective in that they can capture a cars number plate, with these police can go after the owners of the vehicles who will in turn produce the people who were driving the car or take responsibility for the crime. In simple times technology can help the police enforce the law since human beings have a natural affinity to break the law.
My 2 cents
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 9:09 PM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote:
In my view we need a total overhaul of the whole system a change of attitude by everybody drivers, pedestrians cart pusher everybody. Technology cannot operate in a vaccum so was caught on camera speeding so how do you follow up. I think we should all be forced to go back to school and made to understand what it entails to be on the carriageway. Had asked earlier what distance would be appropriate to keep between cars when traveling at 100kph? You were never taught that in school and nrever tested on it so why would you be surprised when there is a multiple pile up. We generally don't value human life is driving under the influence legal? Road signs are required everywhere not just on Thika road basically we just need to change how we relate with the road.
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Thanks for the responses. I believe we can put all these lovely ideas together and move to address the issue. Am thinking of a mobile app, to deal with this and a host of other issues around us. One that is freely accessible and available to everyone. Some discussion points:- I need to know - . How can I proceed - I've a no. of ideas and need to work with some developers on the prototype - incubate and develop it. . How can such idea be funded, for public good. Are there avenues..? . How can we have the idea ( if viable), facilitated with relevant structures such as the legal framework for it to work..? . What would be the ideal procedure, taking the above into account, in order to arrive at a National app to make Kenya & beyond a better place..? Regards, Harry From: skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke [mailto:skunkworks-bounces@lists.my.co.ke] On Behalf Of Barrack Otieno Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 9:34 PM To: kris njoroge Cc: Skunkworks Mailing List Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] [kictanet] DEADLY THIKA ROAD - WHO IS LISTENING? I think we are taking this matter casually yet it presents an opportunity for innovators, any time i have been driven around europe i have noted that the drivers are very weary of cameras, most of the GPS systems even detect cameras in the vicinity, this deters any drivers who are tempted to speed or commit any traffic crimes, Cameras are very effective in that they can capture a cars number plate, with these police can go after the owners of the vehicles who will in turn produce the people who were driving the car or take responsibility for the crime. In simple times technology can help the police enforce the law since human beings have a natural affinity to break the law. My 2 cents On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 9:09 PM, kris njoroge <krsnjo@gmail.com> wrote: In my view we need a total overhaul of the whole system a change of attitude by everybody drivers, pedestrians cart pusher everybody. Technology cannot operate in a vaccum so was caught on camera speeding so how do you follow up. I think we should all be forced to go back to school and made to understand what it entails to be on the carriageway. Had asked earlier what distance would be appropriate to keep between cars when traveling at 100kph? You were never taught that in school and nrever tested on it so why would you be surprised when there is a multiple pile up. We generally don't value human life is driving under the influence legal? Road signs are required everywhere not just on Thika road basically we just need to change how we relate with the road. -- Barrack O. Otieno +254721325277 +254-20-2498789 Skype: barrack.otieno http://www.otienobarrack.me.ke/
participants (10)
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Barrack Otieno -
Harry Delano -
joel eliakim -
Kimani : TransTech " Love For Tech Stuff" -
kris njoroge -
Moses -
otieno.barrack＠gmail.com
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Richard Sinda -
Rocky Mbithi -
Samuel Wachira