Is INFODEV a broker between the World Bank and technology NGOS?
Not sure so am asking. Who exactly is infodev? From its website, this : http://www.infodev.org/en/index.html *info*Dev is a global partnership program in the Financial and Private Sector Development arm of the World Bank Group of international development agencies. We help donors and developing countries use innovation and information and communication technologies (ICT) to achieve economic growth, sustainable development and poverty reduction. REALLY?! they help donors and developing countries use INNOVATION and ICT technologies to achieve economic growth. WHERE? ( too much lolling!! :-))) ) Someone please educate me on this, because I'm not sure when the invasion of tech sector "humanitarians" ( possibly aka Brokers looking for poor Africa to get their funding ) started? You mean this is why the Ministers of most developing countries will lay the red carpet and cause traffic jams during peak traffic hours? Thread not intended as anything else but a discussion. Rgds. :-)
Please read this aloud. Subject : What's next for ICT in Africa? "This *info*Dev session brought together entrepreneurs and researchers to discuss how the ICT landscape is shaping Africa's future." Again, I'm forced to comment just this: Really?! ( My view: How to make brokers in developing countries? Since pyramid schemes did not suceed, lets try technology with its wordings as there are so many followers) http://www.infodev.org/en/Article.703.html me amateur thots. :-)
Before I get banned, this is my last post. Please keep an OPEN MIND to the thread, because it some humor. :-) *Mobile Applications for Development : http://www.infodev.org/en/Topic.34.html* ** As per InfoDev, these are the only countries in the world that need Mobile Apps for local or international consumption, innovation and economic building : -East Africa -East Asia -Eastern Europe and Caucas -Southern Africa -Southern Asia. So no one in Western Europe/The Americas needs any innovative help to develop nor is there any poverty to help people. ( huh? ) As InfoDev themselves say it : As part of the *Creating Sustainable Businesses in the Knowledge Economy *program and to encourage innovation and competitiveness among SMEs, Finland, Nokia, and *info*Dev have placed a special importance on developing mobile activities. Please note there is no CHINA representation at all. Good Day. :-) **
@aki, You have a very insightful argument in this and your previous threads. I hope many of the 1300+ people on the list can see this. Davis. On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 14:05 +0300, aki wrote:
Before I get banned, this is my last post. Please keep an OPEN MIND to the thread, because it some humor. :-)
Mobile Applications for Development : http://www.infodev.org/en/Topic.34.html
As per InfoDev, these are the only countries in the world that need Mobile Apps for local or international consumption, innovation and economic building :
-East Africa -East Asia -Eastern Europe and Caucas -Southern Africa -Southern Asia.
So no one in Western Europe/The Americas needs any innovative help to develop nor is there any poverty to help people. ( huh? )
As InfoDev themselves say it : As part of the Creating Sustainable Businesses in the Knowledge Economy program and to encourage innovation and competitiveness among SMEs, Finland, Nokia, and infoDev have placed a special importance on developing mobile activities.
Please note there is no CHINA representation at all.
Good Day. :-)
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Why infodev won't help countries in the EU etc? An example... Nokia Siemens + Nokia employ 23,000 people in Finland... Finland has a population of 5.4 Million... 4.2% of the population (1 in 25 thereabouts) work for Nokia + Nokia Siemens i.e. in the mobile space... They can take care of themselves :-) On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Davis Waithaka <daviswaithaka@gmail.com>wrote:
@aki,
You have a very insightful argument in this and your previous threads. I hope many of the 1300+ people on the list can see this.
Davis.
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 14:05 +0300, aki wrote:
Before I get banned, this is my last post. Please keep an OPEN MIND to the thread, because it some humor. :-)
*Mobile Applications for Development : http://www.infodev.org/en/Topic.34.html*
As per InfoDev, these are the only countries in the world that need Mobile Apps for local or international consumption, innovation and economic building :
-East Africa
-East Asia
-Eastern Europe and Caucas
-Southern Africa
-Southern Asia.
So no one in Western Europe/The Americas needs any innovative help to develop nor is there any poverty to help people. ( huh? )
As InfoDev themselves say it : As part of the *Creating Sustainable Businesses in the Knowledge Economy *program and to encourage innovation and competitiveness among SMEs, Finland, Nokia, and *info*Dev have placed a special importance on developing mobile activities.
Please note there is no CHINA representation at all.
Good Day. :-)
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@Aki, this time you are wrong, http://www.infodev.org/en/Publication.1040.html http://www.infodev.org/en/TopicPublications.22.html Are very insightful publications both to developers, donors and governments working in developing countries. On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Why infodev won't help countries in the EU etc?
An example...
Nokia Siemens + Nokia employ 23,000 people in Finland... Finland has a population of 5.4 Million... 4.2% of the population (1 in 25 thereabouts) work for Nokia + Nokia Siemens i.e. in the mobile space... They can take care of themselves :-)
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:15 PM, Davis Waithaka <daviswaithaka@gmail.com>wrote:
@aki,
You have a very insightful argument in this and your previous threads. I hope many of the 1300+ people on the list can see this.
Davis.
On Tue, 2011-05-31 at 14:05 +0300, aki wrote:
Before I get banned, this is my last post. Please keep an OPEN MIND to the thread, because it some humor. :-)
*Mobile Applications for Development : http://www.infodev.org/en/Topic.34.html*
As per InfoDev, these are the only countries in the world that need Mobile Apps for local or international consumption, innovation and economic building :
-East Africa
-East Asia
-Eastern Europe and Caucas
-Southern Africa
-Southern Asia.
So no one in Western Europe/The Americas needs any innovative help to develop nor is there any poverty to help people. ( huh? )
As InfoDev themselves say it : As part of the *Creating Sustainable Businesses in the Knowledge Economy *program and to encourage innovation and competitiveness among SMEs, Finland, Nokia, and *info*Dev have placed a special importance on developing mobile activities.
Please note there is no CHINA representation at all.
Good Day. :-)
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@Humphrey, in the first link you provided below which contains these points below, please tell me of local implementation. And also please tell me that we are really dumb not to know these things thereforre we need some very knowledgeable people at InfoDev to tell it as is: - Develop a fully connected SME network - Fill the skills gap in advanced business and technical knowledge - Provide start-up and early stage funding for companies - Enable job creation for knowledge workers, and - Upgrade the business environment The third point above is so catching. Who in Kenya is going to provide this facility? On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
@Aki, this time you are wrong, http://www.infodev.org/en/Publication.1040.html http://www.infodev.org/en/TopicPublications.22.html Are very insightful publications both to developers, donors and governments working in developing countries.
@aki, somethings are not always obvious, I work (code) in an NGO and one of those "obvious" questions that people get wrong is how do you upgrade a slum? If think the answer is in the pseudo code below then you are wrong. <wrong way to upgrade a slum> - move slum dwellers to temporary shelter - upgrade the land they moved from with better facilities - move the slum dwellers back to their new and upgraded homes </wrong way to upgrade a slum> The best practice in development projects is before you spend your billions on a region, know what works and what doest. - Develop a fully connected SME network - Fill the skills gap in advanced business and technical knowledge - Provide start-up and early stage funding for companies - Enable job creation for knowledge workers, and - Upgrade the business environment The above broad subjects can be very invaluable to a developer, country and donor who wants to invest its resources into a project. P.S What is obvious to you is not obvious to a project manager in Worldbank. Consider using your knowledge to make money as an advisor or consultant for infodev or worldbank. But be warned if your knowledge will be based on opinion and not study, chances are you will be creating more problems than solutions On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:21 PM, aki <aki275@gmail.com> wrote:
@Humphrey, in the first link you provided below which contains these points below, please tell me of local implementation. And also please tell me that we are really dumb not to know these things thereforre we need some very knowledgeable people at InfoDev to tell it as is:
- Develop a fully connected SME network - Fill the skills gap in advanced business and technical knowledge - Provide start-up and early stage funding for companies - Enable job creation for knowledge workers, and - Upgrade the business environment
The third point above is so catching. Who in Kenya is going to provide this facility?
On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
@Aki, this time you are wrong, http://www.infodev.org/en/Publication.1040.html http://www.infodev.org/en/TopicPublications.22.html Are very insightful publications both to developers, donors and governments working in developing countries.
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@ Humphrey, thanks. But mine is not about slum upgardes as no ICT can fulfill that. InfoDev have many claims on the use of technologies to "as the byline goes". So basically you are confirming that InfoDev is really creating brokers, while itself a mother broker in the system? But am not going to comment much, seems while we were all asleep or thinking of innovation, Google and World Bank funding has taken a kenyan project right under our noses and is digitizing. And one can view the Kenya Gazette in Google books? Did you know this, because I can only imagine a third world country always whinning about no money ( opps, sorry money lost through well, e.g. corruption ) and therefore inviting investments through loan which the kenyan public will have to pay back for? At the same time, we are being given lip service on innovative ways to improve KE? This is pure hypocrisy! On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Humphrey Ngoiya <hngoiya@yahoo.co.uk>wrote:
@aki, somethings are not always obvious, I work (code) in an NGO and one of those "obvious" questions that people get wrong is how do you upgrade a slum? If think the answer is in the pseudo code below then you are wrong.
<wrong way to upgrade a slum>
- move slum dwellers to temporary shelter - upgrade the land they moved from with better facilities - move the slum dwellers back to their new and upgraded homes
</wrong way to upgrade a slum>
The best practice in development projects is before you spend your billions on a region, know what works and what doest.
- Develop a fully connected SME network - Fill the skills gap in advanced business and technical knowledge - Provide start-up and early stage funding for companies - Enable job creation for knowledge workers, and - Upgrade the business environment
The above broad subjects can be very invaluable to a developer, country and donor who wants to invest its resources into a project.
P.S What is obvious to you is not obvious to a project manager in Worldbank. Consider using your knowledge to make money as an advisor or consultant for infodev or worldbank. But be warned if your knowledge will be based on opinion and not study, chances are you will be creating more problems than solutions
@Phares, you are kidding yourself. Please check out Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Poland, Albania, Romania for a start. Actually Info Dev can help the EU with the "illegal migrants problem" as a start. I think we need to write a Mobile app just for tracking the border offences and InfoDev can fulfill some of its visions. Also notice that iPhone developers in the US don't know the likes of Info Dev nor can be bothered with such. Or maybe this can be further argued that the 120,000 + apps were written with InfoDev in mind? Really? Just give it a thought. :-) On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
Why infodev won't help countries in the EU etc?
An example...
Nokia Siemens + Nokia employ 23,000 people in Finland... Finland has a population of 5.4 Million... 4.2% of the population (1 in 25 thereabouts) work for Nokia + Nokia Siemens i.e. in the mobile space... They can take care of themselves :-
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