WOW rate this http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/
How much was whoever who did this *http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* paid? Rgds, Kibui Kenneth Maina,* * * * *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home> * * *Tools I Use:* PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, Amazon cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, Ubuntu, Cent OS, Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware.
Who did the site? On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina <mainakibui@gmail.com> wrote:
How much was whoever who did this *http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* paid?
Rgds, Kibui Kenneth Maina,* *
* * *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home>
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Vic, you probably don't want to know who did this site. You could suddenly find it impossible to inhibit the urge to whack the "web-designer" with a crowbar. :) On 6/13/12, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote:
Who did the site?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina <mainakibui@gmail.com> wrote:
How much was whoever who did this *http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* paid?
Rgds, Kibui Kenneth Maina,* *
* * *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home>
* * *Tools I Use:* PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, Amazon cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, Ubuntu, Cent OS, Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware.
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I actually did a site and offered it free of charge, never got a word from anyone on this or the other lists... (i had addressed it to the PS). On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Garr Patronas <garr.patronas@gmail.com>wrote:
Vic, you probably don't want to know who did this site. You could suddenly find it impossible to inhibit the urge to whack the "web-designer" with a crowbar. :)
On 6/13/12, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote:
Who did the site?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina <mainakibui@gmail.com> wrote:
How much was whoever who did this *http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* paid?
Rgds, Kibui Kenneth Maina,* *
* * *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home>
* * *Tools I Use:* PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, Amazon cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, Ubuntu, Cent OS, Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware.
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Seriously azin for a whole state house fraternity On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I actually did a site and offered it free of charge, never got a word from anyone on this or the other lists... (i had addressed it to the PS).
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Garr Patronas <garr.patronas@gmail.com>wrote:
Vic, you probably don't want to know who did this site. You could suddenly find it impossible to inhibit the urge to whack the "web-designer" with a crowbar. :)
On 6/13/12, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote:
Who did the site?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina <mainakibui@gmail.com> wrote:
How much was whoever who did this *http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* paid?
Rgds, Kibui Kenneth Maina,* *
* * *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home>
* * *Tools I Use:* PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, Amazon cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, Ubuntu, Cent OS, Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware.
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ehh whats wrong with the site. What if the designer actually met the requirements? I mean who dictates what a site should look like. As far as I can tell the content there is way better than some 'well designed' sites. How about maybe offer a suggestion on what you'd like to see, if you did a free site for the state house for instance what makes you believe we would like it more than the one there? Me devos advocate (though I seriously see lots of bashing here so just before you start on me let me try defend someone:-)) JG On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote:
Seriously azin for a whole state house fraternity
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I actually did a site and offered it free of charge, never got a word from anyone on this or the other lists... (i had addressed it to the PS).
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Garr Patronas <garr.patronas@gmail.com>wrote:
Vic, you probably don't want to know who did this site. You could suddenly find it impossible to inhibit the urge to whack the "web-designer" with a crowbar. :)
On 6/13/12, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote:
Who did the site?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina <mainakibui@gmail.com> wrote:
How much was whoever who did this *http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* paid?
Rgds, Kibui Kenneth Maina,* *
* * *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home>
* * *Tools I Use:* PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, Amazon cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, Ubuntu, Cent OS, Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware.
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@John Gitau, Lets first establish where you stand in regards to web design stuff, what do you think of http://www.whitehouse.gov/ in terms of: - Content "richness" - Aesthetics To make it even easier, if YOU had to contribute 100k from YOUR pocket for a website, would you rather get whitehouse.gov or statehousekenya.go.ke? On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:56 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
ehh whats wrong with the site. What if the designer actually met the requirements? I mean who dictates what a site should look like. As far as I can tell the content there is way better than some 'well designed' sites.
How about maybe offer a suggestion on what you'd like to see, if you did a free site for the state house for instance what makes you believe we would like it more than the one there?
Me devos advocate (though I seriously see lots of bashing here so just before you start on me let me try defend someone:-)) JG
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote:
Seriously azin for a whole state house fraternity
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I actually did a site and offered it free of charge, never got a word from anyone on this or the other lists... (i had addressed it to the PS).
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Garr Patronas <garr.patronas@gmail.com>wrote:
Vic, you probably don't want to know who did this site. You could suddenly find it impossible to inhibit the urge to whack the "web-designer" with a crowbar. :)
On 6/13/12, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote:
Who did the site?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina <mainakibui@gmail.com> wrote:
How much was whoever who did this * http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* paid?
Rgds, Kibui Kenneth Maina,* *
* * *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home>
* * *Tools I Use:* PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, Amazon cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, Ubuntu, Cent OS, Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware.
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well I dont care much for the design. If i was to be picky I'd say the fact that the site has links supposed to point to speeches that 'dead end' is just wrong. What I am having an issue with is blanket procramations of site is bad. If you look back the last time I saw such a rant <http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-cant-even-search/> ( http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-...) someone complained about the companies registry and gave a very concise list of their issue with that portal. Im asking you to not compare our statehouse with white house site and instead point out issues with the site that we can actually go out and fix especially since Im sure this site was funded with my tax shillings. Gitau On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
@John Gitau,
Lets first establish where you stand in regards to web design stuff, what do you think of http://www.whitehouse.gov/ in terms of:
- Content "richness" - Aesthetics
To make it even easier, if YOU had to contribute 100k from YOUR pocket for a website, would you rather get whitehouse.gov or statehousekenya.go.ke?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:56 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
ehh whats wrong with the site. What if the designer actually met the requirements? I mean who dictates what a site should look like. As far as I can tell the content there is way better than some 'well designed' sites.
How about maybe offer a suggestion on what you'd like to see, if you did a free site for the state house for instance what makes you believe we would like it more than the one there?
Me devos advocate (though I seriously see lots of bashing here so just before you start on me let me try defend someone:-)) JG
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote:
Seriously azin for a whole state house fraternity
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I actually did a site and offered it free of charge, never got a word from anyone on this or the other lists... (i had addressed it to the PS).
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Garr Patronas <garr.patronas@gmail.com
wrote:
Vic, you probably don't want to know who did this site. You could suddenly find it impossible to inhibit the urge to whack the "web-designer" with a crowbar. :)
On 6/13/12, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote:
Who did the site?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina <mainakibui@gmail.com> wrote:
> How much was whoever who did this * http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* > paid? > > Rgds, > Kibui Kenneth Maina,* > * > > * > * > *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom > Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> > *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* > @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> > *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home> > > > * > * > *Tools I Use:* > PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, Amazon > cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, Ubuntu, Cent > OS, > Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Well put @John Gitau On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:37 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
well I dont care much for the design. If i was to be picky I'd say the fact that the site has links supposed to point to speeches that 'dead end' is just wrong.
What I am having an issue with is blanket procramations of site is bad.
If you look back the last time I saw such a rant <http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-cant-even-search/> ( http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-...) someone complained about the companies registry and gave a very concise list of their issue with that portal.
Im asking you to not compare our statehouse with white house site and instead point out issues with the site that we can actually go out and fix especially since Im sure this site was funded with my tax shillings.
Gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
@John Gitau,
Lets first establish where you stand in regards to web design stuff, what do you think of http://www.whitehouse.gov/ in terms of:
- Content "richness" - Aesthetics
To make it even easier, if YOU had to contribute 100k from YOUR pocket for a website, would you rather get whitehouse.gov or statehousekenya.go.ke?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:56 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
ehh whats wrong with the site. What if the designer actually met the requirements? I mean who dictates what a site should look like. As far as I can tell the content there is way better than some 'well designed' sites.
How about maybe offer a suggestion on what you'd like to see, if you did a free site for the state house for instance what makes you believe we would like it more than the one there?
Me devos advocate (though I seriously see lots of bashing here so just before you start on me let me try defend someone:-)) JG
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com>wrote:
Seriously azin for a whole state house fraternity
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I actually did a site and offered it free of charge, never got a word from anyone on this or the other lists... (i had addressed it to the PS).
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Garr Patronas < garr.patronas@gmail.com> wrote:
Vic, you probably don't want to know who did this site. You could suddenly find it impossible to inhibit the urge to whack the "web-designer" with a crowbar. :)
On 6/13/12, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote: > Who did the site? > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina <mainakibui@gmail.com> wrote: > >> How much was whoever who did this * http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* >> paid? >> >> Rgds, >> Kibui Kenneth Maina,* >> * >> >> * >> * >> *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom >> Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> >> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* >> @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> >> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home> >> >> >> * >> * >> *Tools I Use:* >> PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, Amazon >> cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, Ubuntu, Cent >> OS, >> Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Regards > Yegon Victor > Web Specialist/Internet Consultant > Extra IT Solutions > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------
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@John Gitau 1. Read title of email : WOW rate this http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/ did U rate it? 2. some of us dont just write code we also do build proper UI 's 3. This is the highest office in our country. It represents the country as a whole. NB: A user’s perception of a Web site can evoke a wide range of emotions and attitudes. These emotions and perceptions impact the user’s attitude towards the Web site’s content, advertised products, company, credibility and site usability. The design and presentation of a Web site is strongly visual and users are known to make aesthetic judgments of a site very quickly. Since the site’s aesthetics can influence brand perception and credibility, the importance of design and color treatments must be considered. Source : http://www.usability.gov/articles/062009news.html Read Rgds, Kibui Kenneth Maina,* * * * *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home> * * *Tools I Use:* PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, Amazon cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, Ubuntu, Cent OS, Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Well put @John Gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:37 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
well I dont care much for the design. If i was to be picky I'd say the fact that the site has links supposed to point to speeches that 'dead end' is just wrong.
What I am having an issue with is blanket procramations of site is bad.
If you look back the last time I saw such a rant <http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-cant-even-search/> ( http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-...) someone complained about the companies registry and gave a very concise list of their issue with that portal.
Im asking you to not compare our statehouse with white house site and instead point out issues with the site that we can actually go out and fix especially since Im sure this site was funded with my tax shillings.
Gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
@John Gitau,
Lets first establish where you stand in regards to web design stuff, what do you think of http://www.whitehouse.gov/ in terms of:
- Content "richness" - Aesthetics
To make it even easier, if YOU had to contribute 100k from YOUR pocket for a website, would you rather get whitehouse.gov or statehousekenya.go.ke?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:56 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
ehh whats wrong with the site. What if the designer actually met the requirements? I mean who dictates what a site should look like. As far as I can tell the content there is way better than some 'well designed' sites.
How about maybe offer a suggestion on what you'd like to see, if you did a free site for the state house for instance what makes you believe we would like it more than the one there?
Me devos advocate (though I seriously see lots of bashing here so just before you start on me let me try defend someone:-)) JG
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com>wrote:
Seriously azin for a whole state house fraternity
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com
wrote:
I actually did a site and offered it free of charge, never got a word from anyone on this or the other lists... (i had addressed it to the PS).
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Garr Patronas < garr.patronas@gmail.com> wrote:
> Vic, you probably don't want to know who did this site. You could > suddenly find it impossible to inhibit the urge to whack the > "web-designer" with a crowbar. > :) > > On 6/13/12, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote: > > Who did the site? > > > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina <mainakibui@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> How much was whoever who did this * > http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* > >> paid? > >> > >> Rgds, > >> Kibui Kenneth Maina,* > >> * > >> > >> * > >> * > >> *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom > >> Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> > >> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* > >> @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> > >> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home> > >> > >> > >> * > >> * > >> *Tools I Use:* > >> PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, > Amazon > >> cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, > Ubuntu, Cent > >> OS, > >> Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Skunkworks mailing list > >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >> ------------ > >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >> ------------ > >> > >> Skunkworks Rules > >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >> ------------ > >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards > > Yegon Victor > > Web Specialist/Internet Consultant > > Extra IT Solutions > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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One should be passionate when designing a website not a matter of just putting codes online. This is our state what happened to "Najivunia kuwa mkenya" if these are the kind of websites we are going to design. I second Peter Karunyu On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Kibui Maina <mainakibui@gmail.com> wrote:
@John Gitau
1. Read title of email : WOW rate this http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/ did U rate it? 2. some of us dont just write code we also do build proper UI 's 3. This is the highest office in our country. It represents the country as a whole.
NB:
A user’s perception of a Web site can evoke a wide range of emotions and attitudes. These emotions and perceptions impact the user’s attitude towards the Web site’s content, advertised products, company, credibility and site usability.
The design and presentation of a Web site is strongly visual and users are known to make aesthetic judgments of a site very quickly. Since the site’s aesthetics can influence brand perception and credibility, the importance of design and color treatments must be considered.
Source : http://www.usability.gov/articles/062009news.html
Read
Rgds, Kibui Kenneth Maina,* *
* * *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home>
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On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Well put @John Gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:37 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
well I dont care much for the design. If i was to be picky I'd say the fact that the site has links supposed to point to speeches that 'dead end' is just wrong.
What I am having an issue with is blanket procramations of site is bad.
If you look back the last time I saw such a rant <http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-cant-even-search/> ( http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-...) someone complained about the companies registry and gave a very concise list of their issue with that portal.
Im asking you to not compare our statehouse with white house site and instead point out issues with the site that we can actually go out and fix especially since Im sure this site was funded with my tax shillings.
Gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
@John Gitau,
Lets first establish where you stand in regards to web design stuff, what do you think of http://www.whitehouse.gov/ in terms of:
- Content "richness" - Aesthetics
To make it even easier, if YOU had to contribute 100k from YOUR pocket for a website, would you rather get whitehouse.gov or statehousekenya.go.ke?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:56 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
ehh whats wrong with the site. What if the designer actually met the requirements? I mean who dictates what a site should look like. As far as I can tell the content there is way better than some 'well designed' sites.
How about maybe offer a suggestion on what you'd like to see, if you did a free site for the state house for instance what makes you believe we would like it more than the one there?
Me devos advocate (though I seriously see lots of bashing here so just before you start on me let me try defend someone:-)) JG
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com>wrote:
Seriously azin for a whole state house fraternity
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Collins Areba < arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
> I actually did a site and offered it free of charge, never got a > word from anyone on this or the other lists... (i had addressed it to the > PS). > > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Garr Patronas < > garr.patronas@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Vic, you probably don't want to know who did this site. You could >> suddenly find it impossible to inhibit the urge to whack the >> "web-designer" with a crowbar. >> :) >> >> On 6/13/12, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Who did the site? >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina < >> mainakibui@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> How much was whoever who did this * >> http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* >> >> paid? >> >> >> >> Rgds, >> >> Kibui Kenneth Maina,* >> >> * >> >> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom >> >> Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> >> >> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* >> >> @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> >> >> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home> >> >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> *Tools I Use:* >> >> PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, >> Amazon >> >> cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, >> Ubuntu, Cent >> >> OS, >> >> Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Skunkworks mailing list >> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >> ------------ >> >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >> ------------ >> >> >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >> ------------ >> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Regards >> > Yegon Victor >> > Web Specialist/Internet Consultant >> > Extra IT Solutions >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three > developments of great political importance: the growth of > democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of > corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against > democracy”* > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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I understand UX (trust me on this one or don't - no matter:-)). However no matter how you do it without content I don't care. This is a government site. I wouldn't care less so long as they had the content they are purporting to give on the site. And I am a user too telling you I care more about content. they can put it as plain text files if they want to. It is a government site, they really shouldn't care for my emotions, they should care that I get a service off it. what were tehy initially trying to communicate? does the site communicate it? You put this on a public forum and I'm just pointing out what I ( a user) cares about. Twitter.com (@3rdworldnet) is probably the ugliest site I ever saw (my opinion) but millions spend time there for those 140 characters. on a scale of 1 - 10 I rate it 2:-) this was a rating thread after all:-)) we should do a custom poll to rate all the government sites on UX/content/utter rubbish etc.... gitau On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Kibui Maina <mainakibui@gmail.com> wrote:
@John Gitau
1. Read title of email : WOW rate this http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/ did U rate it? 2. some of us dont just write code we also do build proper UI 's 3. This is the highest office in our country. It represents the country as a whole.
NB:
A user’s perception of a Web site can evoke a wide range of emotions and attitudes. These emotions and perceptions impact the user’s attitude towards the Web site’s content, advertised products, company, credibility and site usability.
The design and presentation of a Web site is strongly visual and users are known to make aesthetic judgments of a site very quickly. Since the site’s aesthetics can influence brand perception and credibility, the importance of design and color treatments must be considered.
Source : http://www.usability.gov/articles/062009news.html
Read
Rgds, Kibui Kenneth Maina,* *
* * *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home>
* * *Tools I Use:* PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, Amazon cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, Ubuntu, Cent OS, Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware.
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Well put @John Gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:37 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
well I dont care much for the design. If i was to be picky I'd say the fact that the site has links supposed to point to speeches that 'dead end' is just wrong.
What I am having an issue with is blanket procramations of site is bad.
If you look back the last time I saw such a rant <http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-cant-even-search/> ( http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-...) someone complained about the companies registry and gave a very concise list of their issue with that portal.
Im asking you to not compare our statehouse with white house site and instead point out issues with the site that we can actually go out and fix especially since Im sure this site was funded with my tax shillings.
Gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
@John Gitau,
Lets first establish where you stand in regards to web design stuff, what do you think of http://www.whitehouse.gov/ in terms of:
- Content "richness" - Aesthetics
To make it even easier, if YOU had to contribute 100k from YOUR pocket for a website, would you rather get whitehouse.gov or statehousekenya.go.ke?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:56 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
ehh whats wrong with the site. What if the designer actually met the requirements? I mean who dictates what a site should look like. As far as I can tell the content there is way better than some 'well designed' sites.
How about maybe offer a suggestion on what you'd like to see, if you did a free site for the state house for instance what makes you believe we would like it more than the one there?
Me devos advocate (though I seriously see lots of bashing here so just before you start on me let me try defend someone:-)) JG
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com>wrote:
Seriously azin for a whole state house fraternity
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Collins Areba < arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
> I actually did a site and offered it free of charge, never got a > word from anyone on this or the other lists... (i had addressed it to the > PS). > > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Garr Patronas < > garr.patronas@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Vic, you probably don't want to know who did this site. You could >> suddenly find it impossible to inhibit the urge to whack the >> "web-designer" with a crowbar. >> :) >> >> On 6/13/12, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Who did the site? >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina < >> mainakibui@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> How much was whoever who did this * >> http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* >> >> paid? >> >> >> >> Rgds, >> >> Kibui Kenneth Maina,* >> >> * >> >> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom >> >> Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> >> >> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* >> >> @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> >> >> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home> >> >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> *Tools I Use:* >> >> PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, >> Amazon >> >> cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, >> Ubuntu, Cent >> >> OS, >> >> Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Skunkworks mailing list >> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >> ------------ >> >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >> ------------ >> >> >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >> ------------ >> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Regards >> > Yegon Victor >> > Web Specialist/Internet Consultant >> > Extra IT Solutions >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three > developments of great political importance: the growth of > democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of > corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against > democracy”* > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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John Gitau is absolutely right...Content is king and research has actually shown that users can usually put up with a bad design so long as they are getting the "right kind" of content, take a look at wikipedia, and facebook, where they started from.... When you meet a swordsman, draw your sword; do not recite poetry to one who is not a poet. Get a signature like this. <http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=19&dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_19> CLICK HERE.<http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=19&dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_19> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:02 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand UX (trust me on this one or don't - no matter:-)). However no matter how you do it without content I don't care. This is a government site. I wouldn't care less so long as they had the content they are purporting to give on the site. And I am a user too telling you I care more about content. they can put it as plain text files if they want to.
It is a government site, they really shouldn't care for my emotions, they should care that I get a service off it. what were tehy initially trying to communicate? does the site communicate it?
You put this on a public forum and I'm just pointing out what I ( a user) cares about.
Twitter.com (@3rdworldnet) is probably the ugliest site I ever saw (my opinion) but millions spend time there for those 140 characters.
on a scale of 1 - 10 I rate it 2:-) this was a rating thread after all:-)) we should do a custom poll to rate all the government sites on UX/content/utter rubbish etc....
gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Kibui Maina <mainakibui@gmail.com>wrote:
@John Gitau
1. Read title of email : WOW rate this http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/ did U rate it? 2. some of us dont just write code we also do build proper UI 's 3. This is the highest office in our country. It represents the country as a whole.
NB:
A user’s perception of a Web site can evoke a wide range of emotions and attitudes. These emotions and perceptions impact the user’s attitude towards the Web site’s content, advertised products, company, credibility and site usability.
The design and presentation of a Web site is strongly visual and users are known to make aesthetic judgments of a site very quickly. Since the site’s aesthetics can influence brand perception and credibility, the importance of design and color treatments must be considered.
Source : http://www.usability.gov/articles/062009news.html
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On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Well put @John Gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:37 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
well I dont care much for the design. If i was to be picky I'd say the fact that the site has links supposed to point to speeches that 'dead end' is just wrong.
What I am having an issue with is blanket procramations of site is bad.
If you look back the last time I saw such a rant <http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-cant-even-search/> ( http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-...) someone complained about the companies registry and gave a very concise list of their issue with that portal.
Im asking you to not compare our statehouse with white house site and instead point out issues with the site that we can actually go out and fix especially since Im sure this site was funded with my tax shillings.
Gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
@John Gitau,
Lets first establish where you stand in regards to web design stuff, what do you think of http://www.whitehouse.gov/ in terms of:
- Content "richness" - Aesthetics
To make it even easier, if YOU had to contribute 100k from YOUR pocket for a website, would you rather get whitehouse.gov or statehousekenya.go.ke?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:56 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
ehh whats wrong with the site. What if the designer actually met the requirements? I mean who dictates what a site should look like. As far as I can tell the content there is way better than some 'well designed' sites.
How about maybe offer a suggestion on what you'd like to see, if you did a free site for the state house for instance what makes you believe we would like it more than the one there?
Me devos advocate (though I seriously see lots of bashing here so just before you start on me let me try defend someone:-)) JG
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com>wrote:
> Seriously azin for a whole state house fraternity > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Collins Areba < > arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I actually did a site and offered it free of charge, never got a >> word from anyone on this or the other lists... (i had addressed it to the >> PS). >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Garr Patronas < >> garr.patronas@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Vic, you probably don't want to know who did this site. You could >>> suddenly find it impossible to inhibit the urge to whack the >>> "web-designer" with a crowbar. >>> :) >>> >>> On 6/13/12, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > Who did the site? >>> > >>> > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina < >>> mainakibui@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >> How much was whoever who did this * >>> http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* >>> >> paid? >>> >> >>> >> Rgds, >>> >> Kibui Kenneth Maina,* >>> >> * >>> >> >>> >> * >>> >> * >>> >> *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom >>> >> Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> >>> >> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* >>> >> @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> >>> >> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> * >>> >> * >>> >> *Tools I Use:* >>> >> PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, >>> Joomla, Amazon >>> >> cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, >>> Ubuntu, Cent >>> >> OS, >>> >> Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Skunkworks mailing list >>> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> >> ------------ >>> >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> >> ------------ >>> >> >>> >> Skunkworks Rules >>> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> >> ------------ >>> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Regards >>> > Yegon Victor >>> > Web Specialist/Internet Consultant >>> > Extra IT Solutions >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three >> developments of great political importance: the growth of >> democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of >> corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against >> democracy”* >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Regards > Yegon Victor > Web Specialist/Internet Consultant > Extra IT Solutions > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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@gisho, kabisa!! On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Wanjohi Ndegwa <andegs2000@gmail.com>wrote:
John Gitau is absolutely right...Content is king and research has actually shown that users can usually put up with a bad design so long as they are getting the "right kind" of content, take a look at wikipedia, and facebook, where they started from....
When you meet a swordsman, draw your sword; do not recite poetry to one who is not a poet. Get a signature like this. <http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=19&dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_19> CLICK HERE.<http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=19&dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_19>
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:02 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand UX (trust me on this one or don't - no matter:-)). However no matter how you do it without content I don't care. This is a government site. I wouldn't care less so long as they had the content they are purporting to give on the site. And I am a user too telling you I care more about content. they can put it as plain text files if they want to.
It is a government site, they really shouldn't care for my emotions, they should care that I get a service off it. what were tehy initially trying to communicate? does the site communicate it?
You put this on a public forum and I'm just pointing out what I ( a user) cares about.
Twitter.com (@3rdworldnet) is probably the ugliest site I ever saw (my opinion) but millions spend time there for those 140 characters.
on a scale of 1 - 10 I rate it 2:-) this was a rating thread after all:-)) we should do a custom poll to rate all the government sites on UX/content/utter rubbish etc....
gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Kibui Maina <mainakibui@gmail.com>wrote:
@John Gitau
1. Read title of email : WOW rate this http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/ did U rate it? 2. some of us dont just write code we also do build proper UI 's 3. This is the highest office in our country. It represents the country as a whole.
NB:
A user’s perception of a Web site can evoke a wide range of emotions and attitudes. These emotions and perceptions impact the user’s attitude towards the Web site’s content, advertised products, company, credibility and site usability.
The design and presentation of a Web site is strongly visual and users are known to make aesthetic judgments of a site very quickly. Since the site’s aesthetics can influence brand perception and credibility, the importance of design and color treatments must be considered.
Source : http://www.usability.gov/articles/062009news.html
Read
Rgds, Kibui Kenneth Maina,* *
* * *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home>
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On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Well put @John Gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:37 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
well I dont care much for the design. If i was to be picky I'd say the fact that the site has links supposed to point to speeches that 'dead end' is just wrong.
What I am having an issue with is blanket procramations of site is bad.
If you look back the last time I saw such a rant <http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-cant-even-search/> ( http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-...) someone complained about the companies registry and gave a very concise list of their issue with that portal.
Im asking you to not compare our statehouse with white house site and instead point out issues with the site that we can actually go out and fix especially since Im sure this site was funded with my tax shillings.
Gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
@John Gitau,
Lets first establish where you stand in regards to web design stuff, what do you think of http://www.whitehouse.gov/ in terms of:
- Content "richness" - Aesthetics
To make it even easier, if YOU had to contribute 100k from YOUR pocket for a website, would you rather get whitehouse.gov or statehousekenya.go.ke?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:56 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
> ehh whats wrong with the site. What if the designer actually met the > requirements? I mean who dictates what a site should look like. As far as I > can tell the content there is way better than some 'well designed' sites. > > How about maybe offer a suggestion on what you'd like to see, if you > did a free site for the state house for instance what makes you believe we > would like it more than the one there? > > Me devos advocate (though I seriously see lots of bashing here so > just before you start on me let me try defend someone:-)) > JG > > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Seriously azin for a whole state house fraternity >> >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Collins Areba < >> arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I actually did a site and offered it free of charge, never got a >>> word from anyone on this or the other lists... (i had addressed it to the >>> PS). >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Garr Patronas < >>> garr.patronas@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Vic, you probably don't want to know who did this site. You could >>>> suddenly find it impossible to inhibit the urge to whack the >>>> "web-designer" with a crowbar. >>>> :) >>>> >>>> On 6/13/12, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > Who did the site? >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina < >>>> mainakibui@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> How much was whoever who did this * >>>> http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* >>>> >> paid? >>>> >> >>>> >> Rgds, >>>> >> Kibui Kenneth Maina,* >>>> >> * >>>> >> >>>> >> * >>>> >> * >>>> >> *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom >>>> >> Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> >>>> >> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* >>>> >> @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> >>>> >> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> * >>>> >> * >>>> >> *Tools I Use:* >>>> >> PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, >>>> Joomla, Amazon >>>> >> cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, >>>> Ubuntu, Cent >>>> >> OS, >>>> >> Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> >> ------------ >>>> >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> >> ------------ >>>> >> >>>> >> Skunkworks Rules >>>> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> >> ------------ >>>> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Regards >>>> > Yegon Victor >>>> > Web Specialist/Internet Consultant >>>> > Extra IT Solutions >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three >>> developments of great political importance: the growth of >>> democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of >>> corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against >>> democracy”* >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> Yegon Victor >> Web Specialist/Internet Consultant >> Extra IT Solutions >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > **Gitau > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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And in other news ...... Rate Richard Stallman's website, founder of the Open source foundation, on a scale of 1 - 20 starting now .... [ http://stallman.org/ ] Martin. On 6/13/12, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com> wrote:
@gisho, kabisa!!
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Wanjohi Ndegwa <andegs2000@gmail.com>wrote:
John Gitau is absolutely right...Content is king and research has actually shown that users can usually put up with a bad design so long as they are getting the "right kind" of content, take a look at wikipedia, and facebook, where they started from....
When you meet a swordsman, draw your sword; do not recite poetry to one who is not a poet. Get a signature like this. <http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=19&dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_19> CLICK HERE.<http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=19&dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_19>
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:02 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand UX (trust me on this one or don't - no matter:-)). However no matter how you do it without content I don't care. This is a government site. I wouldn't care less so long as they had the content they are purporting to give on the site. And I am a user too telling you I care more about content. they can put it as plain text files if they want to.
It is a government site, they really shouldn't care for my emotions, they should care that I get a service off it. what were tehy initially trying to communicate? does the site communicate it?
You put this on a public forum and I'm just pointing out what I ( a user) cares about.
Twitter.com (@3rdworldnet) is probably the ugliest site I ever saw (my opinion) but millions spend time there for those 140 characters.
on a scale of 1 - 10 I rate it 2:-) this was a rating thread after all:-)) we should do a custom poll to rate all the government sites on UX/content/utter rubbish etc....
gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Kibui Maina <mainakibui@gmail.com>wrote:
@John Gitau
1. Read title of email : WOW rate this http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/ did U rate it? 2. some of us dont just write code we also do build proper UI 's 3. This is the highest office in our country. It represents the country as a whole.
NB:
A user’s perception of a Web site can evoke a wide range of emotions and attitudes. These emotions and perceptions impact the user’s attitude towards the Web site’s content, advertised products, company, credibility and site usability.
The design and presentation of a Web site is strongly visual and users are known to make aesthetic judgments of a site very quickly. Since the site’s aesthetics can influence brand perception and credibility, the importance of design and color treatments must be considered.
Source : http://www.usability.gov/articles/062009news.html
Read
Rgds, Kibui Kenneth Maina,* *
* * *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home>
* * *Tools I Use:* PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, Amazon cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, Ubuntu, Cent OS, Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware.
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Well put @John Gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:37 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
well I dont care much for the design. If i was to be picky I'd say the fact that the site has links supposed to point to speeches that 'dead end' is just wrong.
What I am having an issue with is blanket procramations of site is bad.
If you look back the last time I saw such a rant <http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-cant-even-search/> ( http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-...) someone complained about the companies registry and gave a very concise list of their issue with that portal.
Im asking you to not compare our statehouse with white house site and instead point out issues with the site that we can actually go out and fix especially since Im sure this site was funded with my tax shillings.
Gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
> @John Gitau, > > Lets first establish where you stand in regards to web design stuff, > what do you think of http://www.whitehouse.gov/ in terms of: > > - Content "richness" > - Aesthetics > > To make it even easier, if YOU had to contribute 100k from YOUR > pocket for a website, would you rather get whitehouse.gov or > statehousekenya.go.ke? > > > > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:56 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> ehh whats wrong with the site. What if the designer actually met >> the >> requirements? I mean who dictates what a site should look like. As >> far as I >> can tell the content there is way better than some 'well designed' >> sites. >> >> How about maybe offer a suggestion on what you'd like to see, if >> you >> did a free site for the state house for instance what makes you >> believe we >> would like it more than the one there? >> >> Me devos advocate (though I seriously see lots of bashing here so >> just before you start on me let me try defend someone:-)) >> JG >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, victor yegon >> <viktayeg@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Seriously azin for a whole state house fraternity >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Collins Areba < >>> arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I actually did a site and offered it free of charge, never got a >>>> word from anyone on this or the other lists... (i had addressed it >>>> to the >>>> PS). >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Garr Patronas < >>>> garr.patronas@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Vic, you probably don't want to know who did this site. You >>>>> could >>>>> suddenly find it impossible to inhibit the urge to whack the >>>>> "web-designer" with a crowbar. >>>>> :) >>>>> >>>>> On 6/13/12, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > Who did the site? >>>>> > >>>>> > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina < >>>>> mainakibui@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> How much was whoever who did this * >>>>> http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* >>>>> >> paid? >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Rgds, >>>>> >> Kibui Kenneth Maina,* >>>>> >> * >>>>> >> >>>>> >> * >>>>> >> * >>>>> >> *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom >>>>> >> Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> >>>>> >> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* >>>>> >> @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> >>>>> >> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> * >>>>> >> * >>>>> >> *Tools I Use:* >>>>> >> PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, >>>>> Joomla, Amazon >>>>> >> cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, >>>>> Ubuntu, Cent >>>>> >> OS, >>>>> >> Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> >> ------------ >>>>> >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> >> ------------ >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> >> ------------ >>>>> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Regards >>>>> > Yegon Victor >>>>> > Web Specialist/Internet Consultant >>>>> > Extra IT Solutions >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three >>>> developments of great political importance: the growth of >>>> democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of >>>> corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power >>>> against >>>> democracy”* >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Regards >>> Yegon Victor >>> Web Specialist/Internet Consultant >>> Extra IT Solutions >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> **Gitau >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Regards, > Peter Karunyu > ------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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I rate 2 On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 5:24 PM, Martin Chiteri <martin.chiteri@gmail.com>wrote:
And in other news ...... Rate Richard Stallman's website, founder of the Open source foundation, on a scale of 1 - 20 starting now .... [ http://stallman.org/ ]
Martin.
On 6/13/12, Kinuthia Ngugi <kinuthia.ngugi@gmail.com> wrote:
@gisho, kabisa!!
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Wanjohi Ndegwa <andegs2000@gmail.com>wrote:
John Gitau is absolutely right...Content is king and research has actually shown that users can usually put up with a bad design so long as they are getting the "right kind" of content, take a look at wikipedia, and facebook, where they started from....
When you meet a swordsman, draw your sword; do not recite poetry to one who is not a poet. Get a signature like this. < http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=19&dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.c...
CLICK HERE.< http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=19&dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.c...
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:02 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
I understand UX (trust me on this one or don't - no matter:-)). However no matter how you do it without content I don't care. This is a government site. I wouldn't care less so long as they had the content they are purporting to give on the site. And I am a user too telling you I care more about content. they can put it as plain text files if they want to.
It is a government site, they really shouldn't care for my emotions, they should care that I get a service off it. what were tehy initially
trying
to communicate? does the site communicate it?
You put this on a public forum and I'm just pointing out what I ( a user) cares about.
Twitter.com (@3rdworldnet) is probably the ugliest site I ever saw (my opinion) but millions spend time there for those 140 characters.
on a scale of 1 - 10 I rate it 2:-) this was a rating thread after all:-)) we should do a custom poll to rate all the government sites on UX/content/utter rubbish etc....
gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Kibui Maina <mainakibui@gmail.com>wrote:
@John Gitau
1. Read title of email : WOW rate this http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/ did U rate it? 2. some of us dont just write code we also do build proper UI 's 3. This is the highest office in our country. It represents the country as a whole.
NB:
A user’s perception of a Web site can evoke a wide range of emotions and attitudes. These emotions and perceptions impact the user’s attitude towards the Web site’s content, advertised products, company, credibility and site usability.
The design and presentation of a Web site is strongly visual and users are known to make aesthetic judgments of a site very quickly. Since the site’s aesthetics can influence brand perception and credibility, the importance of design and color treatments must be considered.
Source : http://www.usability.gov/articles/062009news.html
Read
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On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM, maina <dmaishe@gmail.com> wrote:
Well put @John Gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:37 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
> well I dont care much for the design. If i was to be picky I'd say > the > fact that the site has links supposed to point to speeches that 'dead > end' > is just wrong. > > What I am having an issue with is blanket procramations of site is > bad. > > If you look back the last time I saw such a rant > < http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-...
> ( > http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-... ) > someone complained about the companies registry and gave a very > concise > list of their issue with that portal. > > Im asking you to not compare our statehouse with white house site and > instead point out issues with the site that we can actually go out and > fix > especially since Im sure this site was funded with my tax shillings. > > Gitau > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Peter Karunyu > <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote: > >> @John Gitau, >> >> Lets first establish where you stand in regards to web design stuff, >> what do you think of http://www.whitehouse.gov/ in terms of: >> >> - Content "richness" >> - Aesthetics >> >> To make it even easier, if YOU had to contribute 100k from YOUR >> pocket for a website, would you rather get whitehouse.gov or >> statehousekenya.go.ke? >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:56 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> ehh whats wrong with the site. What if the designer actually met >>> the >>> requirements? I mean who dictates what a site should look like. As >>> far as I >>> can tell the content there is way better than some 'well designed' >>> sites. >>> >>> How about maybe offer a suggestion on what you'd like to see, if >>> you >>> did a free site for the state house for instance what makes you >>> believe we >>> would like it more than the one there? >>> >>> Me devos advocate (though I seriously see lots of bashing here so >>> just before you start on me let me try defend someone:-)) >>> JG >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, victor yegon >>> <viktayeg@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> Seriously azin for a whole state house fraternity >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Collins Areba < >>>> arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I actually did a site and offered it free of charge, never got a >>>>> word from anyone on this or the other lists... (i had addressed it >>>>> to the >>>>> PS). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Garr Patronas < >>>>> garr.patronas@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Vic, you probably don't want to know who did this site. You >>>>>> could >>>>>> suddenly find it impossible to inhibit the urge to whack the >>>>>> "web-designer" with a crowbar. >>>>>> :) >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6/13/12, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> > Who did the site? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina < >>>>>> mainakibui@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> How much was whoever who did this * >>>>>> http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* >>>>>> >> paid? >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Rgds, >>>>>> >> Kibui Kenneth Maina,* >>>>>> >> * >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> * >>>>>> >> * >>>>>> >> *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom >>>>>> >> Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> >>>>>> >> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* >>>>>> >> @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> >>>>>> >> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> * >>>>>> >> * >>>>>> >> *Tools I Use:* >>>>>> >> PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, >>>>>> Joomla, Amazon >>>>>> >> cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, >>>>>> Ubuntu, Cent >>>>>> >> OS, >>>>>> >> Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> >> ------------ >>>>>> >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> >> ------------ >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> >> ------------ >>>>>> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > Regards >>>>>> > Yegon Victor >>>>>> > Web Specialist/Internet Consultant >>>>>> > Extra IT Solutions >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three >>>>> developments of great political importance: the growth of >>>>> democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of >>>>> corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power >>>>> against >>>>> democracy”* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>>> ------------ >>>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>>> ------------ >>>>> >>>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>>> ------------ >>>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Regards >>>> Yegon Victor >>>> Web Specialist/Internet Consultant >>>> Extra IT Solutions >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Skunkworks mailing list >>>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>>> ------------ >>>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>>> ------------ >>>> >>>> Skunkworks Rules >>>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>>> ------------ >>>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> **Gitau >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Skunkworks mailing list >>> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >>> ------------ >>> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >>> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >>> ------------ >>> >>> Skunkworks Rules >>> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >>> ------------ >>> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> Peter Karunyu >> ------------------- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > **Gitau > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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Let me attempt to do so, other skunkpeople can add and/or correct where I am wrong: *Technical* 1. The site uses frames, deprecated since HTML 4.01 2. There is no doctypeencoding, meaning browsers can render the site whichever way they want 3. The design seems targeted for mobile devices, maybe the code to detect user agent is not working? 4. http://statehousekenya.go.ke/ does not automatically redirect to http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/, very easily fixed using .htaccess rules. 5. W3C Validator<http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.statehousekenya.go.ke%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0>reports 15 errors and 2 warnings 6. The CSS used is on-page, this tends to make it harder for browsers to cache it *Security* 1. The folders which contain the various assets are not secured. The simplest way is to place an empty index.html into those folders. 2. The site is hosted on Apache 1.3.31, which was released on 11th May, 2004. This pag <http://httpd.apache.org/security/vulnerabilities_13.html>e on apache.org has a list of vulnerabilities this particular version is prone to. *Usability and SEO* 1. There is no search 2. There is no feedback section 3. There is a lot of content that is inside PDF files, makes it a bit harder to get to it from a SEO perspective 4. There is no meta description or meta tags, plus all of the other important meta tags 5. PageSpeed reports that the site could do with: - Compressing HTML - Helping browsers cache the content - Optimizing images - Minifying the HTML - Specifying a character set. *The smaller details* - There is no favicon *The Pros* 1. The site seems super fast 2. At last, a website without JavaScript! 3. It renders well on a mobile device On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:37 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
well I dont care much for the design. If i was to be picky I'd say the fact that the site has links supposed to point to speeches that 'dead end' is just wrong.
What I am having an issue with is blanket procramations of site is bad.
If you look back the last time I saw such a rant <http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-cant-even-search/> ( http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-...) someone complained about the companies registry and gave a very concise list of their issue with that portal.
Im asking you to not compare our statehouse with white house site and instead point out issues with the site that we can actually go out and fix especially since Im sure this site was funded with my tax shillings.
Gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
@John Gitau,
Lets first establish where you stand in regards to web design stuff, what do you think of http://www.whitehouse.gov/ in terms of:
- Content "richness" - Aesthetics
To make it even easier, if YOU had to contribute 100k from YOUR pocket for a website, would you rather get whitehouse.gov or statehousekenya.go.ke?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:56 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
ehh whats wrong with the site. What if the designer actually met the requirements? I mean who dictates what a site should look like. As far as I can tell the content there is way better than some 'well designed' sites.
How about maybe offer a suggestion on what you'd like to see, if you did a free site for the state house for instance what makes you believe we would like it more than the one there?
Me devos advocate (though I seriously see lots of bashing here so just before you start on me let me try defend someone:-)) JG
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com>wrote:
Seriously azin for a whole state house fraternity
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
I actually did a site and offered it free of charge, never got a word from anyone on this or the other lists... (i had addressed it to the PS).
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Garr Patronas < garr.patronas@gmail.com> wrote:
Vic, you probably don't want to know who did this site. You could suddenly find it impossible to inhibit the urge to whack the "web-designer" with a crowbar. :)
On 6/13/12, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote: > Who did the site? > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina <mainakibui@gmail.com> wrote: > >> How much was whoever who did this * http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* >> paid? >> >> Rgds, >> Kibui Kenneth Maina,* >> * >> >> * >> * >> *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom >> Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> >> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* >> @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> >> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home> >> >> >> * >> * >> *Tools I Use:* >> PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, Amazon >> cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, Ubuntu, Cent >> OS, >> Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > Regards > Yegon Victor > Web Specialist/Internet Consultant > Extra IT Solutions > _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------
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Well stated On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me attempt to do so, other skunkpeople can add and/or correct where I am wrong:
*Technical*
1. The site uses frames, deprecated since HTML 4.01 2. There is no doctypeencoding, meaning browsers can render the site whichever way they want 3. The design seems targeted for mobile devices, maybe the code to detect user agent is not working? 4. http://statehousekenya.go.ke/ does not automatically redirect to http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/, very easily fixed using .htaccess rules. 5. W3C Validator<http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.statehousekenya.go.ke%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0>reports 15 errors and 2 warnings 6. The CSS used is on-page, this tends to make it harder for browsers to cache it
*Security*
1. The folders which contain the various assets are not secured. The simplest way is to place an empty index.html into those folders. 2. The site is hosted on Apache 1.3.31, which was released on 11th May, 2004. This pag<http://httpd.apache.org/security/vulnerabilities_13.html>e on apache.org has a list of vulnerabilities this particular version is prone to.
*Usability and SEO*
1. There is no search 2. There is no feedback section 3. There is a lot of content that is inside PDF files, makes it a bit harder to get to it from a SEO perspective 4. There is no meta description or meta tags, plus all of the other important meta tags 5. PageSpeed reports that the site could do with: - Compressing HTML - Helping browsers cache the content - Optimizing images - Minifying the HTML - Specifying a character set.
*The smaller details*
- There is no favicon
*The Pros*
1. The site seems super fast 2. At last, a website without JavaScript! 3. It renders well on a mobile device
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:37 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
well I dont care much for the design. If i was to be picky I'd say the fact that the site has links supposed to point to speeches that 'dead end' is just wrong.
What I am having an issue with is blanket procramations of site is bad.
If you look back the last time I saw such a rant <http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-cant-even-search/> ( http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-...) someone complained about the companies registry and gave a very concise list of their issue with that portal.
Im asking you to not compare our statehouse with white house site and instead point out issues with the site that we can actually go out and fix especially since Im sure this site was funded with my tax shillings.
Gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
@John Gitau,
Lets first establish where you stand in regards to web design stuff, what do you think of http://www.whitehouse.gov/ in terms of:
- Content "richness" - Aesthetics
To make it even easier, if YOU had to contribute 100k from YOUR pocket for a website, would you rather get whitehouse.gov or statehousekenya.go.ke?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:56 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
ehh whats wrong with the site. What if the designer actually met the requirements? I mean who dictates what a site should look like. As far as I can tell the content there is way better than some 'well designed' sites.
How about maybe offer a suggestion on what you'd like to see, if you did a free site for the state house for instance what makes you believe we would like it more than the one there?
Me devos advocate (though I seriously see lots of bashing here so just before you start on me let me try defend someone:-)) JG
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com>wrote:
Seriously azin for a whole state house fraternity
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com
wrote:
I actually did a site and offered it free of charge, never got a word from anyone on this or the other lists... (i had addressed it to the PS).
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Garr Patronas < garr.patronas@gmail.com> wrote:
> Vic, you probably don't want to know who did this site. You could > suddenly find it impossible to inhibit the urge to whack the > "web-designer" with a crowbar. > :) > > On 6/13/12, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote: > > Who did the site? > > > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina <mainakibui@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> How much was whoever who did this * > http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* > >> paid? > >> > >> Rgds, > >> Kibui Kenneth Maina,* > >> * > >> > >> * > >> * > >> *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom > >> Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> > >> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* > >> @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> > >> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home> > >> > >> > >> * > >> * > >> *Tools I Use:* > >> PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, > Amazon > >> cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, > Ubuntu, Cent > >> OS, > >> Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Skunkworks mailing list > >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >> ------------ > >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >> ------------ > >> > >> Skunkworks Rules > >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >> ------------ > >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards > > Yegon Victor > > Web Specialist/Internet Consultant > > Extra IT Solutions > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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@karunyu...awesome analysis I wonder whose budget the state house site is under....it might be next after majani chai (its a joke fellas don't bash me) On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me attempt to do so, other skunkpeople can add and/or correct where I am wrong:
*Technical*
1. The site uses frames, deprecated since HTML 4.01 2. There is no doctypeencoding, meaning browsers can render the site whichever way they want 3. The design seems targeted for mobile devices, maybe the code to detect user agent is not working? 4. http://statehousekenya.go.ke/ does not automatically redirect to http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/, very easily fixed using .htaccess rules. 5. W3C Validator<http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.statehousekenya.go.ke%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0>reports 15 errors and 2 warnings 6. The CSS used is on-page, this tends to make it harder for browsers to cache it
*Security*
1. The folders which contain the various assets are not secured. The simplest way is to place an empty index.html into those folders. 2. The site is hosted on Apache 1.3.31, which was released on 11th May, 2004. This pag<http://httpd.apache.org/security/vulnerabilities_13.html>e on apache.org has a list of vulnerabilities this particular version is prone to.
*Usability and SEO*
1. There is no search 2. There is no feedback section 3. There is a lot of content that is inside PDF files, makes it a bit harder to get to it from a SEO perspective 4. There is no meta description or meta tags, plus all of the other important meta tags 5. PageSpeed reports that the site could do with: - Compressing HTML - Helping browsers cache the content - Optimizing images - Minifying the HTML - Specifying a character set.
*The smaller details*
- There is no favicon
*The Pros*
1. The site seems super fast 2. At last, a website without JavaScript! 3. It renders well on a mobile device
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:37 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
well I dont care much for the design. If i was to be picky I'd say the fact that the site has links supposed to point to speeches that 'dead end' is just wrong.
What I am having an issue with is blanket procramations of site is bad.
If you look back the last time I saw such a rant <http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-cant-even-search/> ( http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-...) someone complained about the companies registry and gave a very concise list of their issue with that portal.
Im asking you to not compare our statehouse with white house site and instead point out issues with the site that we can actually go out and fix especially since Im sure this site was funded with my tax shillings.
Gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
@John Gitau,
Lets first establish where you stand in regards to web design stuff, what do you think of http://www.whitehouse.gov/ in terms of:
- Content "richness" - Aesthetics
To make it even easier, if YOU had to contribute 100k from YOUR pocket for a website, would you rather get whitehouse.gov or statehousekenya.go.ke?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:56 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
ehh whats wrong with the site. What if the designer actually met the requirements? I mean who dictates what a site should look like. As far as I can tell the content there is way better than some 'well designed' sites.
How about maybe offer a suggestion on what you'd like to see, if you did a free site for the state house for instance what makes you believe we would like it more than the one there?
Me devos advocate (though I seriously see lots of bashing here so just before you start on me let me try defend someone:-)) JG
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com>wrote:
Seriously azin for a whole state house fraternity
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Collins Areba <arebacollins@gmail.com
wrote:
I actually did a site and offered it free of charge, never got a word from anyone on this or the other lists... (i had addressed it to the PS).
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Garr Patronas < garr.patronas@gmail.com> wrote:
> Vic, you probably don't want to know who did this site. You could > suddenly find it impossible to inhibit the urge to whack the > "web-designer" with a crowbar. > :) > > On 6/13/12, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote: > > Who did the site? > > > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina <mainakibui@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> How much was whoever who did this * > http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* > >> paid? > >> > >> Rgds, > >> Kibui Kenneth Maina,* > >> * > >> > >> * > >> * > >> *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom > >> Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> > >> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* > >> @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> > >> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home> > >> > >> > >> * > >> * > >> *Tools I Use:* > >> PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, > Amazon > >> cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, > Ubuntu, Cent > >> OS, > >> Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware. > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Skunkworks mailing list > >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > >> ------------ > >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > >> ------------ > >> > >> Skunkworks Rules > >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > >> ------------ > >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Regards > > Yegon Victor > > Web Specialist/Internet Consultant > > Extra IT Solutions > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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The polling begins i would rate 0 out of 10 On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:04 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
@karunyu...awesome analysis I wonder whose budget the state house site is under....it might be next after majani chai (its a joke fellas don't bash me)
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Let me attempt to do so, other skunkpeople can add and/or correct where I am wrong:
*Technical*
1. The site uses frames, deprecated since HTML 4.01 2. There is no doctypeencoding, meaning browsers can render the site whichever way they want 3. The design seems targeted for mobile devices, maybe the code to detect user agent is not working? 4. http://statehousekenya.go.ke/ does not automatically redirect to http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/, very easily fixed using .htaccess rules. 5. W3C Validator<http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.statehousekenya.go.ke%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0>reports 15 errors and 2 warnings 6. The CSS used is on-page, this tends to make it harder for browsers to cache it
*Security*
1. The folders which contain the various assets are not secured. The simplest way is to place an empty index.html into those folders. 2. The site is hosted on Apache 1.3.31, which was released on 11th May, 2004. This pag<http://httpd.apache.org/security/vulnerabilities_13.html>e on apache.org has a list of vulnerabilities this particular version is prone to.
*Usability and SEO*
1. There is no search 2. There is no feedback section 3. There is a lot of content that is inside PDF files, makes it a bit harder to get to it from a SEO perspective 4. There is no meta description or meta tags, plus all of the other important meta tags 5. PageSpeed reports that the site could do with: - Compressing HTML - Helping browsers cache the content - Optimizing images - Minifying the HTML - Specifying a character set.
*The smaller details*
- There is no favicon
*The Pros*
1. The site seems super fast 2. At last, a website without JavaScript! 3. It renders well on a mobile device
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:37 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
well I dont care much for the design. If i was to be picky I'd say the fact that the site has links supposed to point to speeches that 'dead end' is just wrong.
What I am having an issue with is blanket procramations of site is bad.
If you look back the last time I saw such a rant <http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-cant-even-search/> ( http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-...) someone complained about the companies registry and gave a very concise list of their issue with that portal.
Im asking you to not compare our statehouse with white house site and instead point out issues with the site that we can actually go out and fix especially since Im sure this site was funded with my tax shillings.
Gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
@John Gitau,
Lets first establish where you stand in regards to web design stuff, what do you think of http://www.whitehouse.gov/ in terms of:
- Content "richness" - Aesthetics
To make it even easier, if YOU had to contribute 100k from YOUR pocket for a website, would you rather get whitehouse.gov or statehousekenya.go.ke?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:56 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
ehh whats wrong with the site. What if the designer actually met the requirements? I mean who dictates what a site should look like. As far as I can tell the content there is way better than some 'well designed' sites.
How about maybe offer a suggestion on what you'd like to see, if you did a free site for the state house for instance what makes you believe we would like it more than the one there?
Me devos advocate (though I seriously see lots of bashing here so just before you start on me let me try defend someone:-)) JG
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com>wrote:
Seriously azin for a whole state house fraternity
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:46 AM, Collins Areba < arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
> I actually did a site and offered it free of charge, never got a > word from anyone on this or the other lists... (i had addressed it to the > PS). > > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Garr Patronas < > garr.patronas@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Vic, you probably don't want to know who did this site. You could >> suddenly find it impossible to inhibit the urge to whack the >> "web-designer" with a crowbar. >> :) >> >> On 6/13/12, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Who did the site? >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina < >> mainakibui@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> How much was whoever who did this * >> http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* >> >> paid? >> >> >> >> Rgds, >> >> Kibui Kenneth Maina,* >> >> * >> >> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom >> >> Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> >> >> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* >> >> @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> >> >> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home> >> >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> *Tools I Use:* >> >> PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, >> Amazon >> >> cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, >> Ubuntu, Cent >> >> OS, >> >> Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Skunkworks mailing list >> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >> ------------ >> >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >> ------------ >> >> >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >> ------------ >> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Regards >> > Yegon Victor >> > Web Specialist/Internet Consultant >> > Extra IT Solutions >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three > developments of great political importance: the growth of > democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of > corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against > democracy”* > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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The design is a simple concept; it is called : *TABLE OF CONTENTS STYLE* It first evolved in the 80s when your art teachers told you to design and draw a table of contents.
From then it has grown in popularity undergrounds; to emerge in modern day websites.
Instructions: ------------------ 1. Simply take a ruler and ....
And a pen On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:19 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
The design is a simple concept; it is called : *TABLE OF CONTENTS STYLE*
It first evolved in the 80s when your art teachers told you to design and draw a table of contents.
From then it has grown in popularity undergrounds; to emerge in modern day websites.
Instructions: ------------------
1. Simply take a ruler and ....
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On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:22 PM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote:
And a pen
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:19 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
The design is a simple concept; it is called : *TABLE OF CONTENTS STYLE*
It first evolved in the 80s when your art teachers told you to design and draw a table of contents.
From then it has grown in popularity undergrounds; to emerge in modern day websites.
Instructions: ------------------
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These guys just made sure that the site can be accessible via mobile, actually I would call it a mobile site, placed on the web. Mocality did that, launching on an only mobile platform, going web later. But since this is a huge budget institution, capable of Ksh 80k mandazis, you would expect them to spend money on the whole hog. Rating: 1, just coz it caters for the 60% of internet users in .ke, mobile. Regards, Martin Gicheru|Business Development|Techweez Solutions Email ID: martin@techweez.com | Tel:254721906171 | Website: http://www.techweez.com | Skype ID: martingicheru | Twitter ID:martingicheru | Gtalk: martin@techweez.com
Contrast http://whitehouse.gov/ This is a drupal website On 13 June 2012 13:11, Martin Gicheru <martin@techweez.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:22 PM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote:
And a pen
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:19 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com
wrote:
The design is a simple concept; it is called : *TABLE OF CONTENTS STYLE*
It first evolved in the 80s when your art teachers told you to design and draw a table of contents.
From then it has grown in popularity undergrounds; to emerge in modern day websites.
Instructions: ------------------
1. Simply take a ruler and ....
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These guys just made sure that the site can be accessible via mobile, actually I would call it a mobile site, placed on the web. Mocality did that, launching on an only mobile platform, going web later. But since this is a huge budget institution, capable of Ksh 80k mandazis, you would expect them to spend money on the whole hog.
Rating: 1, just coz it caters for the 60% of internet users in .ke, mobile.
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{reply:{rant:"i actually *had* (keyword -> had) a friend who was doing some of those gava sites (yes, just as it appears). the dude is a UON CS graduate and he is a "pirated dreamweaver expert" (he kept on telling me how it generates all the code for him). we live with these guys but they mostly belong on the other side of tech life and they are "well connected". heck!, lets face it. most old people are very irritating to work with in the IT sect and 99% percent of time you'll never agree with their perceptions thus cutting most of us here. couple this with the CS guy above and you get a "nataka website tu kama ile ya zzz.go.ke". in fact, maybe those sites are baked in the same oven but the politics around it is so thick you have never ever managed to penetrate despite having an org like ict.go.ke"}} On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:22 PM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote:
And a pen
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:19 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
The design is a simple concept; it is called : *TABLE OF CONTENTS STYLE*
It first evolved in the 80s when your art teachers told you to design and draw a table of contents.
From then it has grown in popularity undergrounds; to emerge in modern day websites.
Instructions: ------------------
1. Simply take a ruler and ....
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[?] @Peter Karunyu and U added an analysis +1 Now were getting somewhere. Rgds, Kibui Kenneth Maina,* * * * *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home> * * *Tools I Use:* PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, Amazon cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, Ubuntu, Cent OS, Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware. On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:04 PM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
@karunyu...awesome analysis I wonder whose budget the state house site is under....it might be next after majani chai (its a joke fellas don't bash me)
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
Let me attempt to do so, other skunkpeople can add and/or correct where I am wrong:
*Technical*
1. The site uses frames, deprecated since HTML 4.01 2. There is no doctypeencoding, meaning browsers can render the site whichever way they want 3. The design seems targeted for mobile devices, maybe the code to detect user agent is not working? 4. http://statehousekenya.go.ke/ does not automatically redirect to http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/, very easily fixed using .htaccess rules. 5. W3C Validator<http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.statehousekenya.go.ke%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0>reports 15 errors and 2 warnings 6. The CSS used is on-page, this tends to make it harder for browsers to cache it
*Security*
1. The folders which contain the various assets are not secured. The simplest way is to place an empty index.html into those folders. 2. The site is hosted on Apache 1.3.31, which was released on 11th May, 2004. This pag<http://httpd.apache.org/security/vulnerabilities_13.html>e on apache.org has a list of vulnerabilities this particular version is prone to.
*Usability and SEO*
1. There is no search 2. There is no feedback section 3. There is a lot of content that is inside PDF files, makes it a bit harder to get to it from a SEO perspective 4. There is no meta description or meta tags, plus all of the other important meta tags 5. PageSpeed reports that the site could do with: - Compressing HTML - Helping browsers cache the content - Optimizing images - Minifying the HTML - Specifying a character set.
*The smaller details*
- There is no favicon
*The Pros*
1. The site seems super fast 2. At last, a website without JavaScript! 3. It renders well on a mobile device
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:37 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
well I dont care much for the design. If i was to be picky I'd say the fact that the site has links supposed to point to speeches that 'dead end' is just wrong.
What I am having an issue with is blanket procramations of site is bad.
If you look back the last time I saw such a rant <http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-cant-even-search/> ( http://www.wanjiku.co.ke/2012/05/companies-registry-website-cost-62-million-...) someone complained about the companies registry and gave a very concise list of their issue with that portal.
Im asking you to not compare our statehouse with white house site and instead point out issues with the site that we can actually go out and fix especially since Im sure this site was funded with my tax shillings.
Gitau
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Peter Karunyu <pkarunyu@gmail.com>wrote:
@John Gitau,
Lets first establish where you stand in regards to web design stuff, what do you think of http://www.whitehouse.gov/ in terms of:
- Content "richness" - Aesthetics
To make it even easier, if YOU had to contribute 100k from YOUR pocket for a website, would you rather get whitehouse.gov or statehousekenya.go.ke?
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:56 AM, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
ehh whats wrong with the site. What if the designer actually met the requirements? I mean who dictates what a site should look like. As far as I can tell the content there is way better than some 'well designed' sites.
How about maybe offer a suggestion on what you'd like to see, if you did a free site for the state house for instance what makes you believe we would like it more than the one there?
Me devos advocate (though I seriously see lots of bashing here so just before you start on me let me try defend someone:-)) JG
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:50 AM, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com>wrote:
Seriously azin for a whole state house fraternity
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> I actually did a site and offered it free of charge, never got a > word from anyone on this or the other lists... (i had addressed it to the > PS). > > > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Garr Patronas < > garr.patronas@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Vic, you probably don't want to know who did this site. You could >> suddenly find it impossible to inhibit the urge to whack the >> "web-designer" with a crowbar. >> :) >> >> On 6/13/12, victor yegon <viktayeg@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Who did the site? >> > >> > On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Kibui Maina < >> mainakibui@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> How much was whoever who did this * >> http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/* >> >> paid? >> >> >> >> Rgds, >> >> Kibui Kenneth Maina,* >> >> * >> >> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> *T:* +254 (0) 721 173 780 *B:* Opticom >> >> Solutions<http://opticomsolutions.blogspot.com/> >> >> *W*: kit-b.com <http://www.kit-b.com> *T:* >> >> @mainakibui<https://twitter.com/#%21/mainakibui> >> >> *S:* kenneth.kibui <http://www.skype.com/intl/en/home> >> >> >> >> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> *Tools I Use:* >> >> PHP, Javascript, JQuery, MYSQL, SQLite, Android app dev, Joomla, >> Amazon >> >> cloud hosting, WHM, Cpanel, Adobe CS2-5, Dreamweaver, OSx, >> Ubuntu, Cent >> >> OS, >> >> Linux, Windows, Networking, Hardware, VM Ware. >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Skunkworks mailing list >> >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> >> ------------ >> >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> >> ------------ >> >> >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> >> ------------ >> >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Regards >> > Yegon Victor >> > Web Specialist/Internet Consultant >> > Extra IT Solutions >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> > > > > -- > *“The twentieth century has been characterized by three > developments of great political importance: the growth of > democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of > corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against > democracy”* > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >
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The developers must be one of the ones listed here ---> http://www.statehousekenya.go.ke/supplies/STATE%20HOUSE%20PREQUALIFIED%20SUP... On 13 June 2012 09:56, John Gitau <jgitau@gmail.com> wrote:
ehh whats wrong with the site. What if the designer actually met the requirements? I mean who dictates what a site should look like. As far as I can tell the content there is way better than some 'well designed' sites.
How about maybe offer a suggestion on what you'd like to see, if you did a free site for the state house for instance what makes you believe we would like it more than the one there?
Me devos advocate (though I seriously see lots of bashing here so just before you start on me let me try defend someone:-)) JG
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