Re: [Skunkworks] Can you build teams... if?
Hey Al Kags, It's been a whole working day since u posted your request and so far no real progress, just words of advice here and there and I don't think you'll get more than that. Give this thing 2 more days. If people aint stepping up or are not available, take the budget, find a company that can do it (Kenya, Africa, the World, even Martians) and get the work done. It's great that you threw in the idea in the list. I do hope a Skunk(ette) team will take it up. BTW: With freelancers you have a risk: People have their own psychological, behavior, etc issues. I hope the time line of the project includes time for the freelance team to get to know one another. Wesley might decide to walk out in the middle of the project because Aki snores too much when he's writing code. --- On Mon, 6/29/09, Samuel Waithaka <samwaithaka@gmail.com> wrote: From: Samuel Waithaka <samwaithaka@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Can you build teams... if? To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 4:27 PM This discussion has been quite intensive and throwing this challenge the way Al Kags did will get us into action-oriented thinking mode. I might not have given this as much thought as some have but I what seems to emerge is that leadership is the issue here. The expertise and the capacity is evidently not. In getting down to it, Crystal Watley seems to be getting closer. Cause after all is said and done it's the action bit that counts. I hope Crystal becomes the first example to show this leadership; getting busy on it now? It's the risky part; not every other persons role (personaly I don't feel upto the task at the moment) but it's the most rewarding... Murigi, Your approach is quite insightful and technical. I'm only wondering who the starter would be. Feels like we're coming back to 'the external hand' again On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Murigi Muraya<mmskunkworks@gmail.com> wrote:
Al Kags,
Anything is possible but here are my opinions.
Freelance developers should be bound to some form of technical business organization. Most developers burn out of projects in 6 to 36 months anyway so unless a non technical organization wants to become a software house.... There must be an institutional system or memory to maintain or improve a software project.
Contracted technology firms should be required to train and pay software developers in a way that makes it more probable for them to deliver on what is required. Many find it too expensive to train, certify or hire up to date techies. This means that the contracted firm should also not be underpaid. Training and equipping techies is not cheap at all.
Some of us have seen how creative techies can inspire others to produce in projects, informal forums, communities, seminars or classroom settings. Any developer or techie worth noting participates in a technical community or organization that can vouch for their passion, competence and reliability (goodwill). Team members should be consulted before adding anyone to their group. What if a new hire 'stole' your star developer's x?
Let us hear about the projects your contacts have in mind and then we can compete in gaining their confidence as individual, community or corporate teams. Since software project requirements are rarely static it should be no surprise that what is initially agreed on rarely comes to pass. Features are cut or modified to finish whatever becomes the software within a specified time period and budget.
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On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all.
Much has been said on this forum about government, organisations and companies not giving much work to developers who do are not companies. having spoken to a few people who could give the contracts etc., i understood them to say that the concerns were that their concerns are:-
1. They cannot be assured of the freelance developers level of quality. 2. They cannot be assured of the freelance developers delivery time - that they will deliver everything they say they will at the appointed time 3. That they require too much supervision 4. That they over promise. 5. The development of a website/application requires several competences - designer, IA, developer, integrator etc. The contention is that you guys don't/won't work together as a team.
Here's a question:
If an organisation/ company was to decide to do a call for entries/ tender of sorts for a significant web project to be delivered by a team of freelance individuals from this forum, can it be done?
The sub-parts of these question are:-
a) Can you form a team consisting of Project Manager (to assure everything is done in time, guide the proposal making etc); Designer (who does outstanding designs in CSS); Developer(s) who can work well with Google Aps - integrate Gmaps etc into the site; mobile developer to develop mobile apps, etc; integrator to ensure that the site is seamless?
b) Can your team come together and bid for the project in detail - including what you can put together, timelines, budgets, documentations etc? (Each member of the team would sign a contract and would be paid as an individual for their quoted rate)
c) Can the team that wins the bid implement the project in such a seamless and timely manner, delivering such high quality that the project can stand up as a model that the government, organisations and companies can use to contract you?
d) Being that this is such an untried model, would the other developers in the skunkworks arena support the winning team to ensure that they succeed in delivering the project at the highest possible quality and within the exact time they promised to do so? If yes, what is the structure that skunkworks would use to do this?
Here's my thinking. A lot of the developers and other related professionals here are passionate and really good at what they do, and they often just need a chance. Not everyone can be employed by the 3mice etc of this world and so its a challenge to give everyone a chance.
Given the concerns expressed by the client group, the onus is on interested people here to prove to them that the model of contracting individual freelance professionals here is a workable one.
I know one organisation that would be interested in trying it out. So before they make a further move, I bring the idea here to you and ask,
what is possible?
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Wes LOL! :-) Me Thots. There is another problem that Al Kags will have with development and team. I asked this question before i.e programming and methods. I can just imagine the nightmare of a team manager who has to put up with different programming schools and each programmer/developer does it their own way. So each writes code differently as there seems to be no standardization of code writing. However, I believe a solution is at hand and will work on a BPO software company concept. No need for any " comeon over to the office and sign a document" meet types. Rather, development can be done remotely. And lucky for programmers, hours are not an issue.
Aki, all The key thing I would think is that people would coalesce in team where they already know each other and how each works. In my experience, people do tend to work with the same set of people generally.. Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:36 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Wes LOL! :-) Me Thots. There is another problem that Al Kags will have with development and team. I asked this question before i.e programming and methods. I can just imagine the nightmare of a team manager who has to put up with different programming schools and each programmer/developer does it their own way. So each writes code differently as there seems to be no standardization of code writing. However, I believe a solution is at hand and will work on a BPO software company concept. No need for any " comeon over to the office and sign a document" meet types. Rather, development can be done remotely. And lucky for programmers, hours are not an issue.
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Personally, Crystal Offered to do something not many can do.He is ready to get a team of skunks and skunkettes to form a team to work through project X(Aki... what happened to these project?),and am sure if they team up with Walu,then Project Management isnt an issue. Muthoni,also had some good ideas.And am with her on that. Wesley: Well,everything has its first time.And forming a group from freelancers,is just as the same way a baby takes time to walk.So trying to "cut" the idea across in my opinion isnt too good.I believe when Al was raising this idea he must have thought Skunks n Skunkettes are best suited for these.(Please... am not shooting your idea down,am just saying lets give it a chance) Murigi..... Some good ideas too. So why dont you throw the challenge,and we see what can be done. And Yes we can. 2009/6/29 Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com>
Aki, all
The key thing I would think is that people would coalesce in team where they already know each other and how each works. In my experience, people do tend to work with the same set of people generally..
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On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:36 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Wes LOL! :-) Me Thots. There is another problem that Al Kags will have with development and team. I asked this question before i.e programming and methods. I can just imagine the nightmare of a team manager who has to put up with different programming schools and each programmer/developer does it their own way. So each writes code differently as there seems to be no standardization of code writing. However, I believe a solution is at hand and will work on a BPO software company concept. No need for any " comeon over to the office and sign a document" meet types. Rather, development can be done remotely. And lucky for programmers, hours are not an issue.
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Hello. I'm glad you mention it. Project X was an idea too that I wanted to share about the creation of kenya's first distributable Open Source Corporate solution ( a commercial concept ). I even went into all the details of how the suggested work flow would work. There was some interest but my serious handicap was that I'm not a developer ( give me a few years ) nor did I get any feedback from developers. The project is still open to anyone who'd want to implement it. I know of a brazilian company who would have easily done it for me at a cost ( including private labelling ) but this is not my interest and that would defeat its creation. In brazil ( I've never been there ), open source solutions have a very strong market presence and many companies customize them. A recap of Project X : create a local distribuatble DVD linux/freebsd solution to contain Mail Server, Firewall Server, Squid Server, 2 Network card Interfaces, NDIS, NTLM or OLDAP, Web Interface etc. Sales : Distribute the DVD to super markets or any outlets. Purchase cost is eg Ksh 300/-. Silly self install system DVD, anyone can create a full server in a matter of minutes, no foss knowledge or experience required. ( ISO installer ) Support : Annual support billable. This revenue would create chances for new developers while existing developers would get revenue. This also creates a professional approach to offering the above. I moved on to other things in my personal time so I hope someone will implement it one day... :-) On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:46 AM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, Crystal Offered to do something not many can do.He is ready to get a team of skunks and skunkettes to form a team to work through project X(Aki... what happened to these project?),and am sure if they team up with Walu,then Project Management isnt an issue.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Nyc one, i have been toying with the idea too, and am more than willing to contribute even in the least level, not yet a pro developer but i got the interest and will to go the extra mile. So when do we start? P aki wrote:
Hello. I'm glad you mention it. Project X was an idea too that I wanted to share about the creation of kenya's first distributable Open Source Corporate solution ( a commercial concept ). I even went into all the details of how the suggested work flow would work. There was some interest but my serious handicap was that I'm not a developer ( give me a few years ) nor did I get any feedback from developers. The project is still open to anyone who'd want to implement it. I know of a brazilian company who would have easily done it for me at a cost ( including private labelling ) but this is not my interest and that would defeat its creation. In brazil ( I've never been there ), open source solutions have a very strong market presence and many companies customize them.
A recap of Project X : create a local distribuatble DVD linux/freebsd solution to contain Mail Server, Firewall Server, Squid Server, 2 Network card Interfaces, NDIS, NTLM or OLDAP, Web Interface etc.
Sales : Distribute the DVD to super markets or any outlets. Purchase cost is eg Ksh 300/-. Silly self install system DVD, anyone can create a full server in a matter of minutes, no foss knowledge or experience required. ( ISO installer )
Support : Annual support billable. This revenue would create chances for new developers while existing developers would get revenue. This also creates a professional approach to offering the above.
I moved on to other things in my personal time so I hope someone will implement it one day... :-)
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:46 AM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, Crystal Offered to do something not many can do.He is ready to get a team of skunks and skunkettes to form a team to work through project X(Aki... what happened to these project?),and am sure if they team up with Walu,then Project Management isnt an issue.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCRUM is an idea. I suggest setting up a wiki where everyone can register with skillset and availability.... On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Pride <pride.njukia@swiftglobal.co.ke>wrote:
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Nyc one, i have been toying with the idea too, and am more than willing to contribute even in the least level, not yet a pro developer but i got the interest and will to go the extra mile.
So when do we start?
P
aki wrote:
Hello. I'm glad you mention it. Project X was an idea too that I wanted to share about the creation of kenya's first distributable Open Source Corporate solution ( a commercial concept ). I even went into all the details of how the suggested work flow would work. There was some interest but my serious handicap was that I'm not a developer ( give me a few years ) nor did I get any feedback from developers. The project is still open to anyone who'd want to implement it. I know of a brazilian company who would have easily done it for me at a cost ( including private labelling ) but this is not my interest and that would defeat its creation. In brazil ( I've never been there ), open source solutions have a very strong market presence and many companies customize them.
A recap of Project X : create a local distribuatble DVD linux/freebsd solution to contain Mail Server, Firewall Server, Squid Server, 2 Network card Interfaces, NDIS, NTLM or OLDAP, Web Interface etc.
Sales : Distribute the DVD to super markets or any outlets. Purchase cost is eg Ksh 300/-. Silly self install system DVD, anyone can create a full server in a matter of minutes, no foss knowledge or experience required. ( ISO installer )
Support : Annual support billable. This revenue would create chances for new developers while existing developers would get revenue. This also creates a professional approach to offering the above.
I moved on to other things in my personal time so I hope someone will implement it one day... :-)
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:46 AM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, Crystal Offered to do something not many can do.He is ready to get a team of skunks and skunkettes to form a team to work through project X(Aki... what happened to these project?),and am sure if they team up with Walu,then Project Management isnt an issue.
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Great one Phares, it is long overdue Regards On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCRUM is an idea.
I suggest setting up a wiki where everyone can register with skillset and availability....
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Pride <pride.njukia@swiftglobal.co.ke>wrote:
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Nyc one, i have been toying with the idea too, and am more than willing to contribute even in the least level, not yet a pro developer but i got the interest and will to go the extra mile.
So when do we start?
P
aki wrote:
Hello. I'm glad you mention it. Project X was an idea too that I wanted to share about the creation of kenya's first distributable Open Source Corporate solution ( a commercial concept ). I even went into all the details of how the suggested work flow would work. There was some interest but my serious handicap was that I'm not a developer ( give me a few years ) nor did I get any feedback from developers. The project is still open to anyone who'd want to implement it. I know of a brazilian company who would have easily done it for me at a cost ( including private labelling ) but this is not my interest and that would defeat its creation. In brazil ( I've never been there ), open source solutions have a very strong market presence and many companies customize them.
A recap of Project X : create a local distribuatble DVD linux/freebsd solution to contain Mail Server, Firewall Server, Squid Server, 2 Network card Interfaces, NDIS, NTLM or OLDAP, Web Interface etc.
Sales : Distribute the DVD to super markets or any outlets. Purchase cost is eg Ksh 300/-. Silly self install system DVD, anyone can create a full server in a matter of minutes, no foss knowledge or experience required. ( ISO installer )
Support : Annual support billable. This revenue would create chances for new developers while existing developers would get revenue. This also creates a professional approach to offering the above.
I moved on to other things in my personal time so I hope someone will implement it one day... :-)
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:46 AM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, Crystal Offered to do something not many can do.He is ready to get a team of skunks and skunkettes to form a team to work through project X(Aki... what happened to these project?),and am sure if they team up with Walu,then Project Management isnt an issue.
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So Phares... Are you going to create this Wiki database? If so... when do you think it will be completed? Crystal On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com>wrote:
Great one Phares, it is long overdue Regards
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCRUM is an idea.
I suggest setting up a wiki where everyone can register with skillset and availability....
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Pride <pride.njukia@swiftglobal.co.ke>wrote:
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Nyc one, i have been toying with the idea too, and am more than willing to contribute even in the least level, not yet a pro developer but i got the interest and will to go the extra mile.
So when do we start?
P
aki wrote:
Hello. I'm glad you mention it. Project X was an idea too that I wanted to share about the creation of kenya's first distributable Open Source Corporate solution ( a commercial concept ). I even went into all the details of how the suggested work flow would work. There was some interest but my serious handicap was that I'm not a developer ( give me a few years ) nor did I get any feedback from developers. The project is still open to anyone who'd want to implement it. I know of a brazilian company who would have easily done it for me at a cost ( including private labelling ) but this is not my interest and that would defeat its creation. In brazil ( I've never been there ), open source solutions have a very strong market presence and many companies customize them.
A recap of Project X : create a local distribuatble DVD linux/freebsd solution to contain Mail Server, Firewall Server, Squid Server, 2 Network card Interfaces, NDIS, NTLM or OLDAP, Web Interface etc.
Sales : Distribute the DVD to super markets or any outlets. Purchase cost is eg Ksh 300/-. Silly self install system DVD, anyone can create a full server in a matter of minutes, no foss knowledge or experience required. ( ISO installer )
Support : Annual support billable. This revenue would create chances for new developers while existing developers would get revenue. This also creates a professional approach to offering the above.
I moved on to other things in my personal time so I hope someone will implement it one day... :-)
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:46 AM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, Crystal Offered to do something not many can do.He is ready to get a team of skunks and skunkettes to form a team to work through project X(Aki... what happened to these project?),and am sure if they team up with Walu,then Project Management isnt an issue.
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Hi, Lets start with a free google spreadsheet. I will send it in by 2pm. I can then setup a fully fledged wiki, for the collaboration to start. Faster, gets the ball rolling. Thanks On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:56 AM, Crystal Watley <crystal@voicesofafrica.org
wrote:
So Phares... Are you going to create this Wiki database? If so... when do you think it will be completed?
Crystal
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack@gmail.com
wrote:
Great one Phares, it is long overdue Regards
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com>wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCRUM is an idea.
I suggest setting up a wiki where everyone can register with skillset and availability....
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Pride <pride.njukia@swiftglobal.co.ke>wrote:
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Nyc one, i have been toying with the idea too, and am more than willing to contribute even in the least level, not yet a pro developer but i got the interest and will to go the extra mile.
So when do we start?
P
aki wrote:
Hello. I'm glad you mention it. Project X was an idea too that I wanted to share about the creation of kenya's first distributable Open Source Corporate solution ( a commercial concept ). I even went into all the details of how the suggested work flow would work. There was some interest but my serious handicap was that I'm not a developer ( give me a few years ) nor did I get any feedback from developers. The project is still open to anyone who'd want to implement it. I know of a brazilian company who would have easily done it for me at a cost ( including private labelling ) but this is not my interest and that would defeat its creation. In brazil ( I've never been there ), open source solutions have a very strong market presence and many companies customize them.
A recap of Project X : create a local distribuatble DVD linux/freebsd solution to contain Mail Server, Firewall Server, Squid Server, 2 Network card Interfaces, NDIS, NTLM or OLDAP, Web Interface etc.
Sales : Distribute the DVD to super markets or any outlets. Purchase cost is eg Ksh 300/-. Silly self install system DVD, anyone can create a full server in a matter of minutes, no foss knowledge or experience required. ( ISO installer )
Support : Annual support billable. This revenue would create chances for new developers while existing developers would get revenue. This also creates a professional approach to offering the above.
I moved on to other things in my personal time so I hope someone will implement it one day... :-)
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:46 AM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, Crystal Offered to do something not many can do.He is ready to get a team of skunks and skunkettes to form a team to work through project X(Aki... what happened to these project?),and am sure if they team up with Walu,then Project Management isnt an issue.
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Seems like there is a lot of interest in this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCRUM is an idea.
Can the team grow beyond 9 (pigs )? Anyone successfully used scrum before in a development project? "Excellent people exceed expectations". ________________________________ From: Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:07:22 AM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Can you build teams... if? I suggest setting up a wiki where everyone can register with skillset and availability.... On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Pride <pride.njukia@swiftglobal.co.ke> wrote:
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Nyc one, i have been toying with the idea too, and am more than willing to contribute even in the least level, not yet a pro developer but i got the interest and will to go the extra mile.
So when do we start?
P
aki wrote:
Hello. I'm glad you mention it. Project X was an idea too that I wanted to share about the creation of kenya's first distributable Open Source Corporate solution ( a commercial concept ). I even went into all the details of how the suggested work flow would work. There was some interest but my serious handicap was that I'm not a developer ( give me a few years ) nor did I get any feedback from developers. The project is still open to anyone who'd want to implement it. I know of a brazilian company who would have easily done it for me at a cost ( including private labelling ) but this is not my interest and that would defeat its creation. In brazil ( I've never been there ), open source solutions have a very strong market presence and many companies customize them.
A recap of Project X : create a local distribuatble DVD linux/freebsd solution to contain Mail Server, Firewall Server, Squid Server, 2 Network card Interfaces, NDIS, NTLM or OLDAP, Web Interface etc.
Sales : Distribute the DVD to super markets or any outlets. Purchase cost is eg Ksh 300/-. Silly self install system DVD, anyone can create a full server in a matter of minutes, no foss knowledge or experience required. ( ISO installer )
Support : Annual support billable. This revenue would create chances for new developers while existing developers would get revenue. This also creates a professional approach to offering the above.
I moved on to other things in my personal time so I hope someone will implement it one day... :-)
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:46 AM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, Crystal Offered to do something not many can do.He is ready to get a team of skunks and skunkettes to form a team to work through project X(Aki... what happened to these project?),and am sure if they team up with Walu,then Project Management isnt an issue.
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So far 14 people have responded... We have some very *sharp and gifted*people on this list. Lets see how many more jump in.... Thanks... On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Nicholas Loki <lokimwenga@yahoo.com> wrote:
Seems like there is a lot of interest in this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCRUM is an idea.
Can the team grow beyond 9 (pigs )? Anyone successfully used scrum before in a development project?
"Excellent people exceed expectations".
------------------------------ *From:* Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> *To:* Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:07:22 AM *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Can you build teams... if?
I suggest setting up a wiki where everyone can register with skillset and availability....
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Pride <pride.njukia@swiftglobal.co.ke>wrote:
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Nyc one, i have been toying with the idea too, and am more than willing to contribute even in the least level, not yet a pro developer but i got the interest and will to go the extra mile.
So when do we start?
P
aki wrote:
Hello. I'm glad you mention it. Project X was an idea too that I wanted to share about the creation of kenya's first distributable Open Source Corporate solution ( a commercial concept ). I even went into all the details of how the suggested work flow would work. There was some interest but my serious handicap was that I'm not a developer ( give me a few years ) nor did I get any feedback from developers. The project is still open to anyone who'd want to implement it. I know of a brazilian company who would have easily done it for me at a cost ( including private labelling ) but this is not my interest and that would defeat its creation. In brazil ( I've never been there ), open source solutions have a very strong market presence and many companies customize them.
A recap of Project X : create a local distribuatble DVD linux/freebsd solution to contain Mail Server, Firewall Server, Squid Server, 2 Network card Interfaces, NDIS, NTLM or OLDAP, Web Interface etc.
Sales : Distribute the DVD to super markets or any outlets. Purchase cost is eg Ksh 300/-. Silly self install system DVD, anyone can create a full server in a matter of minutes, no foss knowledge or experience required. ( ISO installer )
Support : Annual support billable. This revenue would create chances for new developers while existing developers would get revenue. This also creates a professional approach to offering the above.
I moved on to other things in my personal time so I hope someone will implement it one day... :-)
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:46 AM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, Crystal Offered to do something not many can do.He is ready to get a team of skunks and skunkettes to form a team to work through project X(Aki... what happened to these project?),and am sure if they team up with Walu,then Project Management isnt an issue.
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I am getting on to this rather late. While I may not have interest in the business opportunity because of time, I want to share a few pointers on the subject. One thing that the ICT Board CEO pointed out during the first Open Source Awards, was that no self-respecting company or government department will engage a developer or a just an individual for that matter, for a multi-million project that may be mission critical, no matter how bright or experienced they are. I have learnt this through experience. We will need to learn how to build teams and by extension how to look for work and actually get it. This team building is something am struggling with at my consulting firm. This is the issue that Al Kags is bringing out. By the look of things, either we are not getting it, or we are all very happily engaged in income generating activities and therefore no time for extra projects. My thinking also is that we may be having a number of really brilliant developers and admins but am not sure we have a critical mass of advanced skills in IT. Ikua On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Nicholas Loki <lokimwenga@yahoo.com> wrote:
Seems like there is a lot of interest in this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCRUM is an idea.
Can the team grow beyond 9 (pigs )? Anyone successfully used scrum before in a development project?
"Excellent people exceed expectations".
------------------------------ *From:* Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> *To:* Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:07:22 AM *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Can you build teams... if?
I suggest setting up a wiki where everyone can register with skillset and availability....
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Pride <pride.njukia@swiftglobal.co.ke>wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
Nyc one, i have been toying with the idea too, and am more than willing to contribute even in the least level, not yet a pro developer but i got the interest and will to go the extra mile.
So when do we start?
P
aki wrote:
Hello. I'm glad you mention it. Project X was an idea too that I wanted to share about the creation of kenya's first distributable Open Source Corporate solution ( a commercial concept ). I even went into all the details of how the suggested work flow would work. There was some interest but my serious handicap was that I'm not a developer ( give me a few years ) nor did I get any feedback from developers. The project is still open to anyone who'd want to implement it. I know of a brazilian company who would have easily done it for me at a cost ( including private labelling ) but this is not my interest and that would defeat its creation. In brazil ( I've never been there ), open source solutions have a very strong market presence and many companies customize them.
A recap of Project X : create a local distribuatble DVD linux/freebsd solution to contain Mail Server, Firewall Server, Squid Server, 2 Network card Interfaces, NDIS, NTLM or OLDAP, Web Interface etc.
Sales : Distribute the DVD to super markets or any outlets. Purchase cost is eg Ksh 300/-. Silly self install system DVD, anyone can create a full server in a matter of minutes, no foss knowledge or experience required. ( ISO installer )
Support : Annual support billable. This revenue would create chances for new developers while existing developers would get revenue. This also creates a professional approach to offering the above.
I moved on to other things in my personal time so I hope someone will implement it one day... :-)
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:46 AM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, Crystal Offered to do something not many can do.He is ready to get a team of skunks and skunkettes to form a team to work through project X(Aki... what happened to these project?),and am sure if they team up with Walu,then Project Management isnt an issue.
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Good morning! Phares, can you start a new email with the form for the database so we can make sure that as many people as possible enter their data? I also think that we should start a form for people who are in local companies, ect. I am so excited we are making some progress on getting our fabulous Skunks data together! Crystal On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
I am getting on to this rather late. While I may not have interest in the business opportunity because of time, I want to share a few pointers on the subject. One thing that the ICT Board CEO pointed out during the first Open Source Awards, was that no self-respecting company or government department will engage a developer or a just an individual for that matter, for a multi-million project that may be mission critical, no matter how bright or experienced they are. I have learnt this through experience.
We will need to learn how to build teams and by extension how to look for work and actually get it. This team building is something am struggling with at my consulting firm. This is the issue that Al Kags is bringing out.
By the look of things, either we are not getting it, or we are all very happily engaged in income generating activities and therefore no time for extra projects.
My thinking also is that we may be having a number of really brilliant developers and admins but am not sure we have a critical mass of advanced skills in IT.
Ikua
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Nicholas Loki <lokimwenga@yahoo.com>wrote:
Seems like there is a lot of interest in this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCRUM is an idea.
Can the team grow beyond 9 (pigs )? Anyone successfully used scrum before in a development project?
"Excellent people exceed expectations".
------------------------------ *From:* Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> *To:* Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:07:22 AM *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Can you build teams... if?
I suggest setting up a wiki where everyone can register with skillset and availability....
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Pride <pride.njukia@swiftglobal.co.ke>wrote:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1
Nyc one, i have been toying with the idea too, and am more than willing to contribute even in the least level, not yet a pro developer but i got the interest and will to go the extra mile.
So when do we start?
P
aki wrote:
Hello. I'm glad you mention it. Project X was an idea too that I wanted to share about the creation of kenya's first distributable Open Source Corporate solution ( a commercial concept ). I even went into all the details of how the suggested work flow would work. There was some interest but my serious handicap was that I'm not a developer ( give me a few years ) nor did I get any feedback from developers. The project is still open to anyone who'd want to implement it. I know of a brazilian company who would have easily done it for me at a cost ( including private labelling ) but this is not my interest and that would defeat its creation. In brazil ( I've never been there ), open source solutions have a very strong market presence and many companies customize them.
A recap of Project X : create a local distribuatble DVD linux/freebsd solution to contain Mail Server, Firewall Server, Squid Server, 2 Network card Interfaces, NDIS, NTLM or OLDAP, Web Interface etc.
Sales : Distribute the DVD to super markets or any outlets. Purchase cost is eg Ksh 300/-. Silly self install system DVD, anyone can create a full server in a matter of minutes, no foss knowledge or experience required. ( ISO installer )
Support : Annual support billable. This revenue would create chances for new developers while existing developers would get revenue. This also creates a professional approach to offering the above.
I moved on to other things in my personal time so I hope someone will implement it one day... :-)
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:46 AM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, Crystal Offered to do something not many can do.He is ready to get a team of skunks and skunkettes to form a team to work through project X(Aki... what happened to these project?),and am sure if they team up with Walu,then Project Management isnt an issue.
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Crystal, I thought he has already done that.Unless am misinformed. Regards 2009/7/1 Crystal Watley <crystal@voicesofafrica.org>
Good morning! Phares, can you start a new email with the form for the database so we can make sure that as many people as possible enter their data? I also think that we should start a form for people who are in local companies, ect.
I am so excited we are making some progress on getting our fabulous Skunks data together!
Crystal
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Evans Ikua <ikua.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
I am getting on to this rather late. While I may not have interest in the business opportunity because of time, I want to share a few pointers on the subject. One thing that the ICT Board CEO pointed out during the first Open Source Awards, was that no self-respecting company or government department will engage a developer or a just an individual for that matter, for a multi-million project that may be mission critical, no matter how bright or experienced they are. I have learnt this through experience.
We will need to learn how to build teams and by extension how to look for work and actually get it. This team building is something am struggling with at my consulting firm. This is the issue that Al Kags is bringing out.
By the look of things, either we are not getting it, or we are all very happily engaged in income generating activities and therefore no time for extra projects.
My thinking also is that we may be having a number of really brilliant developers and admins but am not sure we have a critical mass of advanced skills in IT.
Ikua
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Nicholas Loki <lokimwenga@yahoo.com>wrote:
Seems like there is a lot of interest in this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCRUM is an idea.
Can the team grow beyond 9 (pigs )? Anyone successfully used scrum before in a development project?
"Excellent people exceed expectations".
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I suggest setting up a wiki where everyone can register with skillset and availability....
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Pride <pride.njukia@swiftglobal.co.ke>wrote:
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Nyc one, i have been toying with the idea too, and am more than willing to contribute even in the least level, not yet a pro developer but i got the interest and will to go the extra mile.
So when do we start?
P
aki wrote:
Hello. I'm glad you mention it. Project X was an idea too that I wanted to share about the creation of kenya's first distributable Open Source Corporate solution ( a commercial concept ). I even went into all the details of how the suggested work flow would work. There was some interest but my serious handicap was that I'm not a developer ( give me a few years ) nor did I get any feedback from developers. The project is still open to anyone who'd want to implement it. I know of a brazilian company who would have easily done it for me at a cost ( including private labelling ) but this is not my interest and that would defeat its creation. In brazil ( I've never been there ), open source solutions have a very strong market presence and many companies customize them.
A recap of Project X : create a local distribuatble DVD linux/freebsd solution to contain Mail Server, Firewall Server, Squid Server, 2 Network card Interfaces, NDIS, NTLM or OLDAP, Web Interface etc.
Sales : Distribute the DVD to super markets or any outlets. Purchase cost is eg Ksh 300/-. Silly self install system DVD, anyone can create a full server in a matter of minutes, no foss knowledge or experience required. ( ISO installer )
Support : Annual support billable. This revenue would create chances for new developers while existing developers would get revenue. This also creates a professional approach to offering the above.
I moved on to other things in my personal time so I hope someone will implement it one day... :-)
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:46 AM, James Muendo <timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, Crystal Offered to do something not many can do.He is ready to get a team of skunks and skunkettes to form a team to work through project X(Aki... what happened to these project?),and am sure if they team up with Walu,then Project Management isnt an issue.
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Hi pride, pls look into archives on project X. It will have the writeups I'd done and it may help you towards your goals. I'm working on 2 or 3 other personal projects over the next 8-12months, so unable to go backwards on this one. Should you require any assistance with the theme of project X, I'll gladly share it with you online. Good luck :-) Rgds. On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Pride <pride.njukia@swiftglobal.co.ke>wrote:
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Phares, Good idea.Set up a wiki where we can have guys post their skill set.and then lets work from there. Regards On 6/30/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi pride, pls look into archives on project X. It will have the writeups I'd done and it may help you towards your goals. I'm working on 2 or 3 other personal projects over the next 8-12months, so unable to go backwards on this one. Should you require any assistance with the theme of project X, I'll gladly share it with you online. Good luck :-)
Rgds.
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Pride <pride.njukia@swiftglobal.co.ke>wrote:
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Phares, Good idea.Set up a wiki where we can have guys post their skill set.and then lets work from there. Regards On 6/30/09, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hi pride, pls look into archives on project X. It will have the writeups I'd done and it may help you towards your goals. I'm working on 2 or 3 other personal projects over the next 8-12months, so unable to go backwards on this one. Should you require any assistance with the theme of project X, I'll gladly share it with you online. Good luck :-)
Rgds.
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I agree with James. Crystal I know you've slept over it. I guess it time. This thread can go on and on. No problem with that but lets put action to it. As in can I see you off list? I'll present my profile just like anybody else, and get ready for approval or the cut. That's what I'm talking about... On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:46 AM, James Muendo<timrick@gmail.com> wrote:
Personally, Crystal Offered to do something not many can do.He is ready to get a team of skunks and skunkettes to form a team to work through project X(Aki... what happened to these project?),and am sure if they team up with Walu,then Project Management isnt an issue. Muthoni,also had some good ideas.And am with her on that. Wesley: Well,everything has its first time.And forming a group from freelancers,is just as the same way a baby takes time to walk.So trying to "cut" the idea across in my opinion isnt too good.I believe when Al was raising this idea he must have thought Skunks n Skunkettes are best suited for these.(Please... am not shooting your idea down,am just saying lets give it a chance) Murigi..... Some good ideas too. So why dont you throw the challenge,and we see what can be done. And Yes we can.
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Wes, Advice well received. Al Kags ----------------------- Founder, The Desturi Trust http://www.alkags.com On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 6:06 PM, wesley kiriinya <kiriinya2000@yahoo.com>wrote:
Hey Al Kags,
It's been a whole working day since u posted your request and so far no real progress, just words of advice here and there and I don't think you'll get more than that.
Give this thing 2 more days. If people aint stepping up or are not available, take the budget, find a company that can do it (Kenya, Africa, the World, even Martians) and get the work done.
It's great that you threw in the idea in the list. I do hope a Skunk(ette) team will take it up.
BTW: With freelancers you have a risk: People have their own psychological, behavior, etc issues. I hope the time line of the project includes time for the freelance team to get to know one another. Wesley might decide to walk out in the middle of the project because Aki snores too much when he's writing code.
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From: Samuel Waithaka <samwaithaka@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Can you build teams... if? To: "Skunkworks forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 4:27 PM
This discussion has been quite intensive and throwing this challenge the way Al Kags did will get us into action-oriented thinking mode. I might not have given this as much thought as some have but I what seems to emerge is that leadership is the issue here. The expertise and the capacity is evidently not. In getting down to it, Crystal Watley seems to be getting closer. Cause after all is said and done it's the action bit that counts. I hope Crystal becomes the first example to show this leadership; getting busy on it now? It's the risky part; not every other persons role (personaly I don't feel upto the task at the moment) but it's the most rewarding...
Murigi, Your approach is quite insightful and technical. I'm only wondering who the starter would be. Feels like we're coming back to 'the external hand' again
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Murigi Muraya<mmskunkworks@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=mmskunkworks@gmail.com>> wrote:
Al Kags,
Anything is possible but here are my opinions.
Freelance developers should be bound to some form of technical business organization. Most developers burn out of projects in 6 to 36 months anyway so unless a non technical organization wants to become a software house.... There must be an institutional system or memory to maintain or improve a software project.
Contracted technology firms should be required to train and pay software developers in a way that makes it more probable for them to deliver on what is required. Many find it too expensive to train, certify or hire up to date techies. This means that the contracted firm should also not be underpaid. Training and equipping techies is not cheap at all.
Some of us have seen how creative techies can inspire others to produce in projects, informal forums, communities, seminars or classroom settings. Any developer or techie worth noting participates in a technical community or organization that can vouch for their passion, competence and reliability (goodwill). Team members should be consulted before adding anyone to their group. What if a new hire 'stole' your star developer's x?
Let us hear about the projects your contacts have in mind and then we can compete in gaining their confidence as individual, community or corporate teams. Since software project requirements are rarely static it should be no surprise that what is initially agreed on rarely comes to pass. Features are cut or modified to finish whatever becomes the software within a specified time period and budget.
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On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Al Kags <alkags@gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=alkags@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi all.
Much has been said on this forum about government, organisations and companies not giving much work to developers who do are not companies. having spoken to a few people who could give the contracts etc., i understood them to say that the concerns were that their concerns are:-
1. They cannot be assured of the freelance developers level of quality. 2. They cannot be assured of the freelance developers delivery time - that they will deliver everything they say they will at the appointed time 3. That they require too much supervision 4. That they over promise. 5. The development of a website/application requires several competences - designer, IA, developer, integrator etc. The contention is that you guys don't/won't work together as a team.
Here's a question:
If an organisation/ company was to decide to do a call for entries/ tender of sorts for a significant web project to be delivered by a team of freelance individuals from this forum, can it be done?
The sub-parts of these question are:-
a) Can you form a team consisting of Project Manager (to assure everything is done in time, guide the proposal making etc); Designer (who does outstanding designs in CSS); Developer(s) who can work well with Google Aps - integrate Gmaps etc into the site; mobile developer to develop mobile apps, etc; integrator to ensure that the site is seamless?
b) Can your team come together and bid for the project in detail - including what you can put together, timelines, budgets, documentations etc? (Each member of the team would sign a contract and would be paid as an individual for their quoted rate)
c) Can the team that wins the bid implement the project in such a seamless and timely manner, delivering such high quality that the project can stand up as a model that the government, organisations and companies can use to contract you?
d) Being that this is such an untried model, would the other developers in the skunkworks arena support the winning team to ensure that they succeed in delivering the project at the highest possible quality and within the exact time they promised to do so? If yes, what is the structure that skunkworks would use to do this?
Here's my thinking. A lot of the developers and other related professionals here are passionate and really good at what they do, and they often just need a chance. Not everyone can be employed by the 3mice etc of this world and so its a challenge to give everyone a chance.
Given the concerns expressed by the client group, the onus is on interested people here to prove to them that the model of contracting individual freelance professionals here is a workable one.
I know one organisation that would be interested in trying it out. So before they make a further move, I bring the idea here to you and ask,
what is possible?
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