Hi, Not sure if anyone has seen a 4 part series called 'House of Saddam' depicting the rise and fall of Saddam Hussein to his very final lows as he faces the hangman's noose. Now I watching this last night as the referendum results were trickling in and I could not help to think of former President Daniel Moi. There was so much similarities, from his brutal regime, his sons, to his 'fall', the only part missing was the final justice part.
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Not sure if anyone has seen a 4 part series called 'House of Saddam' depicting the rise and fall of Saddam Hussein to his very final lows as he faces the hangman's noose.
I'd love to watch that. How do I get a copy? BTW - anyone on this list happens to have a collection of *Franz Joseph Haydn* classical?? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Not sure if anyone has seen a 4 part series called 'House of Saddam' depicting the rise and fall of Saddam Hussein to his very final lows as he faces the hangman's noose.
Now I watching this last night as the referendum results were trickling in and I could not help to think of former President Daniel Moi. There was so much similarities, from his brutal regime, his sons, to his 'fall', the only part missing was the final justice part.
Saddam's story is more about chemical warfare use against the kurds and his own population. In the Middle East they believe in military leaders, civilians cannot do. Fortunately within Africa, there have been no such crazy president's no matter how corrupt the regimes. Many former President's across the globe have commited things, including mass genocide. You need to research more. :-) -- Rgds, "Skunkworks-KE is a social platform for technologists. It's where we hang out, talk, discuss, help out some poor soul with technology issues and share a drink once in a while. Then we part....and go do our thing "
@ Wash. It was on DSTV, I do not have the copies. @Aki. Whether it is chemical warfare or just butchering with machetes or torture squads, it does not make Africa Despots much less evil than Saddam.
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki. Whether it is chemical warfare or just butchering with machetes or torture squads, it does not make Africa Despots much less evil than Saddam.
Most of those served under African Despots either went into oppostion or cabinets and are still serving public office? The house of cards applied, who will take responsibilty? -- Rgds, "Skunkworks-KE is a social platform for technologists. It's where we hang out, talk, discuss, help out some poor soul with technology issues and share a drink once in a while. Then we part....and go do our thing "
It's on BitTorrent. I'm not sure though whether you'd be in violation of any copyrights and such like stuff by downloading the series On 5 August 2010 14:21, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
@Aki. Whether it is chemical warfare or just butchering with machetes or torture squads, it does not make Africa Despots much less evil than
Saddam.
Most of those served under African Despots either went into oppostion or cabinets and are still serving public office? The house of cards applied, who will take responsibilty?
-- Rgds,
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@AKi Boss -- is there another Africa that I don't know about? -How many corrupt & brutal military leaders have we had in Africa? Mobutu? Kabila? Gadaffi? Idi Amin? Mugabe? There's nothing to celebrate. We have produced leaders just as atrocious as Saddam On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 2:11 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Not sure if anyone has seen a 4 part series called 'House of Saddam' depicting the rise and fall of Saddam Hussein to his very final lows as he faces the hangman's noose.
Now I watching this last night as the referendum results were trickling in and I could not help to think of former President Daniel Moi. There was so much similarities, from his brutal regime, his sons, to his 'fall', the only part missing was the final justice part.
Saddam's story is more about chemical warfare use against the kurds and his own population. In the Middle East they believe in military leaders, civilians cannot do. Fortunately within Africa, there have been no such crazy president's no matter how corrupt the regimes. Many former President's across the globe have commited things, including mass genocide. You need to research more. :-)
-- Rgds,
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On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@AKi Boss -- is there another Africa that I don't know about? -How many corrupt & brutal military leaders have we had in Africa? Mobutu? Kabila? Gadaffi? Idi Amin? Mugabe? There's nothing to celebrate. We have produced leaders just as atrocious as Saddam
Rad, welcome to the social lounge. ( assuming there is a drink being served over the counter.. :-) ) Does Pol Pot mean anything to you? -- Rgds, "Skunkworks-KE is a social platform for technologists. It's where we hang out, talk, discuss, help out some poor soul with technology issues and share a drink once in a while. Then we part....and go do our thing "
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:39 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@AKi Boss -- is there another Africa that I don't know about? -How many corrupt & brutal military leaders have we had in Africa? Mobutu? Kabila? Gadaffi? Idi Amin? Mugabe? There's nothing to celebrate. We have produced leaders just as atrocious as Saddam
Rad, welcome to the social lounge. ( assuming there is a drink being served over the counter.. :-) )
Does Pol Pot mean anything to you?
And Jean Bedel Bokassa? -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
And Jean Bedel Bokassa? --
@Wash, karibu sana kwa lounge! :-) Jean Bedel Bokassa = 4 years rule? French support = Cold War = colonial masters. ( I checked on the net ) Use of chemical weapons against population leading to secondary lives lost = hakuna. Burying mass bodies on such action = hakuna. -- Rgds, "Skunkworks-KE is a social platform for technologists. It's where we hang out, talk, discuss, help out some poor soul with technology issues and share a drink once in a while. Then we part....and go do our thing "
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:48 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
And Jean Bedel Bokassa? --
@Wash, karibu sana kwa lounge! :-)
Jean Bedel Bokassa = 4 years rule? French support = Cold War = colonial masters. ( I checked on the net )
Use of chemical weapons against population leading to secondary lives lost = hakuna. Burying mass bodies on such action = hakuna.
Aki, what does the term buffoon mean? How many have have we had in Africa? And do you mean to say death by chemical weapons is the only grisly death, such that death by any other means is far more acceptable? I don't know why I cannot find stories about Bokassa on the net. Perhaps someone deleted them (or they were never posted since the net was not as advanced and as accessible as it is now). I found this one<http://www.americancivilrightsreview.com/dvafricacfrcannibal.html>, but there were many... -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki, what does the term buffoon mean? How many have have we had in Africa? And do you mean to say death by chemical weapons is the only grisly death, such that death by any other means is far more acceptable? I don't know why I cannot find stories about Bokassa on the net. Perhaps someone deleted them (or they were never posted since the net was not as advanced and as accessible as it is now). I found this one, but there were many...
Thnks Wash, will read about it and catchup on these. Seems quite interesting. :-)) Asante -- Rgds, "Skunkworks-KE is a social platform for technologists. It's where we hang out, talk, discuss, help out some poor soul with technology issues and share a drink once in a while. Then we part....and go do our thing "
Of course. What i'm finding difficult to digest is you asserting that somehow African dictators are not as bad as the rest. How, jameni??? On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:39 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
@AKi Boss -- is there another Africa that I don't know about? -How many corrupt & brutal military leaders have we had in Africa? Mobutu? Kabila? Gadaffi? Idi Amin? Mugabe? There's nothing to celebrate. We have produced leaders just as atrocious as Saddam
Rad, welcome to the social lounge. ( assuming there is a drink being served over the counter.. :-) )
Does Pol Pot mean anything to you?
-- Rgds,
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On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course. What i'm finding difficult to digest is you asserting that somehow African dictators are not as bad as the rest. How, jameni???
Rad, let us seperate dictators and butchers. Name one African Butcher? -- Rgds, "Skunkworks-KE is a social platform for technologists. It's where we hang out, talk, discuss, help out some poor soul with technology issues and share a drink once in a while. Then we part....and go do our thing "
Sijui kulia ama kuckeka. Are we talking about the same Africa? You can't think of a single African butcher? On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:49 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course. What i'm finding difficult to digest is you asserting that somehow African dictators are not as bad as the rest. How, jameni???
Rad, let us seperate dictators and butchers. Name one African Butcher?
-- Rgds,
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Aki, Just pardon me but today I am not sure whether it is you or someone has hacked in to your account and now is sending emails on your behalf. I find your threads today 'inconsistent' with the Aki I have come to know. Cheers.
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki,
Just pardon me but today I am not sure whether it is you or someone has hacked in to your account and now is sending emails on your behalf. I find your threads today 'inconsistent' with the Aki I have come to know.
Cheers.
Relax Philip. Its the same guy. :-) -- Rgds, "Skunkworks-KE is a social platform for technologists. It's where we hang out, talk, discuss, help out some poor soul with technology issues and share a drink once in a while. Then we part....and go do our thing "
As you advised someone in another thread, I urge you to google. It would be faster than me typing them here. On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:06 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki,
Just pardon me but today I am not sure whether it is you or someone has hacked in to your account and now is sending emails on your behalf. I find your threads today 'inconsistent' with the Aki I have come to know.
Cheers.
Relax Philip. Its the same guy. :-)
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On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
As you advised someone in another thread, I urge you to google. It would be faster than me typing them here.
Rad, you should read what I talked about re : google. I see no commerical app that is being developed for gain or profit on my side. So kind of difficult to have an interesting conversation with you at some intelligent level. But you are welcome to the social group, as jioni, we seperate and do our own thing. Soma signature. :-) -- Rgds, "Skunkworks-KE is a social platform for technologists. It's where we hang out, talk, discuss, help out some poor soul with technology issues and share a drink once in a while. Then we part....and go do our thing "
Now it descends to personal insults & straw man arguments? I am quite disappointed. I too think there is an impostor masquerading as Aki! The point is not the profit/loss. The point was it is easier for you to find information on Africa's dozens of dictators using google than for me to type them here. But since you insist Mugabe Idi Amin Obote Moi Sankoh Taylor Doe Kasavubu Mobutu Kabila Botha Bokassa Bongo Bashir Gadaffi Abacha etc etc etc. On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:16 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
As you advised someone in another thread, I urge you to google. It would be faster than me typing them here.
Rad, you should read what I talked about re : google. I see no commerical app that is being developed for gain or profit on my side. So kind of difficult to have an interesting conversation with you at some intelligent level.
But you are welcome to the social group, as jioni, we seperate and do our own thing. Soma signature. :-)
-- Rgds,
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On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it descends to personal insults & straw man arguments? I am quite disappointed. I too think there is an impostor masquerading as Aki! The point is not the profit/loss. The point was it is easier for you to find information on Africa's dozens of dictators using google than for me to type them here. But since you insist Mugabe Idi Amin Obote Moi Sankoh Taylor Doe Kasavubu Mobutu Kabila Botha Bokassa Bongo Bashir Gadaffi Abacha etc etc etc.
Rad, no insults intended nor meant. We are buddies. An apology from my side. I own you a drink. :-) You are still missing the point between dictators, versus butchers versus saddam. Please let us focus. -- Rgds, "Skunkworks-KE is a social platform for technologists. It's where we hang out, talk, discuss, help out some poor soul with technology issues and share a drink once in a while. Then we part....and go do our thing "
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Now it descends to personal insults & straw man arguments? I am quite disappointed.
I too think there is an impostor masquerading as Aki!
The point is not the profit/loss. The point was it is easier for you to find information on Africa's dozens of dictators using google than for me to type them here.
But since you insist
Mugabe Idi Amin Obote Moi Sankoh Taylor Doe Kasavubu Mobutu Kabila Botha Bokassa Bongo Bashir Gadaffi
I'd remove Gadaffi from this list though. I know he's in it because of the perception that he supported terrorists who hijacked planes and blew them up. He did not do it himself, but if he killed by proxy, then he's in a different class than these others. -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ "If you have nothing good to say about someone, just shut up!." -- Lucky Dube
Aki, what about Idi Amin Dada (PhD, Knight, Conquer and Professor of Geography), Mohamed El Bashir (remember him, indicted by the ICC for genocide), Robert Mugabe (heard of the Matebeleland massacre), Daniel Moi, Sani Abacha, Mohammad Bare, Mengistu Haile Mariam.
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
Aki, what about Idi Amin Dada (PhD, Knight, Conquer and Professor of Geography), Mohamed El Bashir (remember him, indicted by the ICC for genocide), Robert Mugabe (heard of the Matebeleland massacre), Daniel Moi, Sani Abacha, Mohammad Bare, Mengistu Haile Mariam.
Philip, Cold War era ? :-) -- Rgds, "Skunkworks-KE is a social platform for technologists. It's where we hang out, talk, discuss, help out some poor soul with technology issues and share a drink once in a while. Then we part....and go do our thing "
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Sijui kulia ama kuckeka. Are we talking about the same Africa? You can't think of a single African butcher?
Rad! put your argument forward. And we can learn more. Category, post independence. :-) -- Rgds, "Skunkworks-KE is a social platform for technologists. It's where we hang out, talk, discuss, help out some poor soul with technology issues and share a drink once in a while. Then we part....and go do our thing "
Idi amin fits the bill of all the above, so does Mobutu, and charles taylor On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Sijui kulia ama kuckeka. Are we talking about the same Africa? You can't think of a single African butcher?
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:49 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Rad! <conradakunga@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course. What i'm finding difficult to digest is you asserting that somehow African dictators are not as bad as the rest. How, jameni???
Rad, let us seperate dictators and butchers. Name one African Butcher?
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