Hi skunkers, i think michael's response was not copied to the group. Please find below. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Joseph <MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:18:47 +0300 Subject: RE: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff To: Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> The tariff is dependent on traffic per site and therefore varies every hour. There is a complicated algorithm that based on time of day, location and traffic sends a message to the IN setting the tariff for that next hour. There is both a predicted tariff algorithm and one based on history. Regards, Michael CEO Safaricom Limited -----Original Message----- From: Areba Collins [mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:49 PM To: Skunkworks forum Cc: Michael Joseph Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff Left me a bit confused myself, but im thinkin its a tarrif that charges depending on the number of hops to the recipient's base station, so that a local loop costs you less than calling a far away price. Maybe michael (copied) would care to expound. Being a technical audience, on the nitty gritty. On 9/15/09, Kevin Ouma <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone with leakage on what the super ongea tarriff will be ? Could it be 6shs and 55 cents
Anways lets wait for the big announcement on TV at 6.55 pm
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The new tariff is good, my reasons:- 1) More affordable tariffs (note NOT offers) from any service provider are most welcome. Offers are gratuitous thus consumers are disadvantaged when demanding rights arising from 'generous' offerings from providers. 2) Once tariff is published, provider is deemed to enter into a contract with the consumers they cannot unilaterally revoke. 3) It simply depends on the information available to the consumer(buyer) before (s)he enters into the communication contract. Since the rates will be broadcast beforehand, it is my considered opinion that with full disclosure beforehand the principle of 'willing buyer, willing seller' will apply transparently. 4) I find this tariff mutually beneficial to consumers and operators. It optimises use of existing infrastructure and advances “equitable” principle that we hold dear within Civil Society circles. 'Unequal treatment of unequals' – in this case rural and urban communication tariffs and a positive voluntary step towards Universal Access. But what would Safaricom be considering for urban poor, high-density areas, for example, for my friends at Korogocho and Kibera??? Regards, Alex On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi skunkers, i think michael's response was not copied to the group. Please find below.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Joseph <MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:18:47 +0300 Subject: RE: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff To: Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>
The tariff is dependent on traffic per site and therefore varies every hour. There is a complicated algorithm that based on time of day, location and traffic sends a message to the IN setting the tariff for that next hour. There is both a predicted tariff algorithm and one based on history.
Regards,
Michael
CEO Safaricom Limited
-----Original Message----- From: Areba Collins [mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:49 PM To: Skunkworks forum Cc: Michael Joseph Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff
Left me a bit confused myself, but im thinkin its a tarrif that charges depending on the number of hops to the recipient's base station, so that a local loop costs you less than calling a far away price. Maybe michael (copied) would care to expound. Being a technical audience, on the nitty gritty.
On 9/15/09, Kevin Ouma <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone with leakage on what the super ongea tarriff will be ? Could it be 6shs and 55 cents
Anways lets wait for the big announcement on TV at 6.55 pm
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@Alex, The urban folk (poor or otherwise) always have to contend with costs associated with anything urban: 1) Electricity 2) Water 3) Food 4) Transport 5) Communications If you are urban, expect tariffs on the higher side ... I those who live outside Nairobi...Items 1,2,3 and now 5 are, in most cases, way lower... ./bernard On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
The new tariff is good, my reasons:-
1) More affordable tariffs (note NOT offers) from any service provider are most welcome. Offers are gratuitous thus consumers are disadvantaged when demanding rights arising from 'generous' offerings from providers.
2) Once tariff is published, provider is deemed to enter into a contract with the consumers they cannot unilaterally revoke.
3) It simply depends on the information available to the consumer(buyer) before (s)he enters into the communication contract. Since the rates will be broadcast beforehand, it is my considered opinion that with full disclosure beforehand the principle of 'willing buyer, willing seller' will apply transparently.
4) I find this tariff mutually beneficial to consumers and operators. It optimises use of existing infrastructure and advances “equitable” principle that we hold dear within Civil Society circles. 'Unequal treatment of unequals' – in this case rural and urban communication tariffs and a positive voluntary step towards Universal Access.
But what would Safaricom be considering for urban poor, high-density areas, for example, for my friends at Korogocho and Kibera???
Regards,
Alex
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi skunkers, i think michael's response was not copied to the group. Please find below.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Joseph <MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:18:47 +0300 Subject: RE: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff To: Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>
The tariff is dependent on traffic per site and therefore varies every hour. There is a complicated algorithm that based on time of day, location and traffic sends a message to the IN setting the tariff for that next hour. There is both a predicted tariff algorithm and one based on history.
Regards,
Michael
CEO Safaricom Limited
-----Original Message----- From: Areba Collins [mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:49 PM To: Skunkworks forum Cc: Michael Joseph Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff
Left me a bit confused myself, but im thinkin its a tarrif that charges depending on the number of hops to the recipient's base station, so that a local loop costs you less than calling a far away price. Maybe michael (copied) would care to expound. Being a technical audience, on the nitty gritty.
On 9/15/09, Kevin Ouma <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone with leakage on what the super ongea tarriff will be ? Could it be 6shs and 55 cents
Anways lets wait for the big announcement on TV at 6.55 pm
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Well, the marketers seem to be having a field day at the expense of the consumers. after its launch, it worked as promised till Friday last week, when it became more theoretical than practical. The tariff is 8 bob from 8 or 9 am to 10 pm where it drops to 7 bob for an hour and then 80 cts. CBS has not send info messages for 3 days, and all this is in a place in ukambani where the number of callers shouldnt be that high. the only other explanation is that their central systems are operating at a> 90% level. Theoretically, it promises you heaven and earth, practically, its a different story On 18/09/2009, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alex, The urban folk (poor or otherwise) always have to contend with costs associated with anything urban: 1) Electricity 2) Water 3) Food 4) Transport 5) Communications
If you are urban, expect tariffs on the higher side ... I those who live outside Nairobi...Items 1,2,3 and now 5 are, in most cases, way lower...
./bernard
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
The new tariff is good, my reasons:-
1) More affordable tariffs (note NOT offers) from any service provider are most welcome. Offers are gratuitous thus consumers are disadvantaged when demanding rights arising from 'generous' offerings from providers.
2) Once tariff is published, provider is deemed to enter into a contract with the consumers they cannot unilaterally revoke.
3) It simply depends on the information available to the consumer(buyer) before (s)he enters into the communication contract. Since the rates will be broadcast beforehand, it is my considered opinion that with full disclosure beforehand the principle of 'willing buyer, willing seller' will apply transparently.
4) I find this tariff mutually beneficial to consumers and operators. It optimises use of existing infrastructure and advances “equitable” principle that we hold dear within Civil Society circles. 'Unequal treatment of unequals' – in this case rural and urban communication tariffs and a positive voluntary step towards Universal Access.
But what would Safaricom be considering for urban poor, high-density areas, for example, for my friends at Korogocho and Kibera???
Regards,
Alex
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi skunkers, i think michael's response was not copied to the group. Please find below.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Joseph <MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:18:47 +0300 Subject: RE: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff To: Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>
The tariff is dependent on traffic per site and therefore varies every hour. There is a complicated algorithm that based on time of day, location and traffic sends a message to the IN setting the tariff for that next hour. There is both a predicted tariff algorithm and one based on history.
Regards,
Michael
CEO Safaricom Limited
-----Original Message----- From: Areba Collins [mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:49 PM To: Skunkworks forum Cc: Michael Joseph Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff
Left me a bit confused myself, but im thinkin its a tarrif that charges depending on the number of hops to the recipient's base station, so that a local loop costs you less than calling a far away price. Maybe michael (copied) would care to expound. Being a technical audience, on the nitty gritty.
On 9/15/09, Kevin Ouma <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone with leakage on what the super ongea tarriff will be ? Could it be 6shs and 55 cents
Anways lets wait for the big announcement on TV at 6.55 pm
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The way i see it the supa ongea tariff is designed to retain subscribers for long enough until they come up with a more concrete offer. Now they have people convinced they make a saving so more calls are made and the rate remains at 8sh i suggest they come up with a fixed figure and stop lying to devoted safaricom users. I wonder if they are real market leaders and believe they have superior products why not play it clean and prove to us. On 9/23/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, the marketers seem to be having a field day at the expense of the consumers. after its launch, it worked as promised till Friday last week, when it became more theoretical than practical. The tariff is 8 bob from 8 or 9 am to 10 pm where it drops to 7 bob for an hour and then 80 cts. CBS has not send info messages for 3 days, and all this is in a place in ukambani where the number of callers shouldnt be that high. the only other explanation is that their central systems are operating at a> 90% level. Theoretically, it promises you heaven and earth, practically, its a different story
On 18/09/2009, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alex, The urban folk (poor or otherwise) always have to contend with costs associated with anything urban: 1) Electricity 2) Water 3) Food 4) Transport 5) Communications
If you are urban, expect tariffs on the higher side ... I those who live outside Nairobi...Items 1,2,3 and now 5 are, in most cases, way lower...
./bernard
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
The new tariff is good, my reasons:-
1) More affordable tariffs (note NOT offers) from any service provider are most welcome. Offers are gratuitous thus consumers are disadvantaged when demanding rights arising from 'generous' offerings from providers.
2) Once tariff is published, provider is deemed to enter into a contract with the consumers they cannot unilaterally revoke.
3) It simply depends on the information available to the consumer(buyer) before (s)he enters into the communication contract. Since the rates will be broadcast beforehand, it is my considered opinion that with full disclosure beforehand the principle of 'willing buyer, willing seller' will apply transparently.
4) I find this tariff mutually beneficial to consumers and operators. It optimises use of existing infrastructure and advances “equitable” principle that we hold dear within Civil Society circles. 'Unequal treatment of unequals' – in this case rural and urban communication tariffs and a positive voluntary step towards Universal Access.
But what would Safaricom be considering for urban poor, high-density areas, for example, for my friends at Korogocho and Kibera???
Regards,
Alex
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi skunkers, i think michael's response was not copied to the group. Please find below.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Joseph <MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:18:47 +0300 Subject: RE: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff To: Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>
The tariff is dependent on traffic per site and therefore varies every hour. There is a complicated algorithm that based on time of day, location and traffic sends a message to the IN setting the tariff for that next hour. There is both a predicted tariff algorithm and one based on history.
Regards,
Michael
CEO Safaricom Limited
-----Original Message----- From: Areba Collins [mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:49 PM To: Skunkworks forum Cc: Michael Joseph Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff
Left me a bit confused myself, but im thinkin its a tarrif that charges depending on the number of hops to the recipient's base station, so that a local loop costs you less than calling a far away price. Maybe michael (copied) would care to expound. Being a technical audience, on the nitty gritty.
On 9/15/09, Kevin Ouma <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone with leakage on what the super ongea tarriff will be ? Could it be 6shs and 55 cents
Anways lets wait for the big announcement on TV at 6.55 pm
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--<snip>-- "Industry analysts say the number of new tariffs launched in the market could cause consumer confusion and create opportunities for operators to overcharge, saying it was time the industry created an independent organisation to monitor call tariffs. "CCK appears overwhelmed with monitoring each ofthe very many services introduced to the market under the current 'apply and notify' framework. We proposed such an entity to parliament for consideration last year;' said AlexGakuru, Head of the ICT Consumers Association. --<snip>-- from <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/659152/-/u72q8tz/-/index.html> and yesterday's <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/661448/-/u6lok8z/-/index.html> then opposed by Zain Zain Kenya MD Rene Meza yesterday said "the requirement by telecommunications regulator, CCK, that operators get approval before adjusting their tariffs will dampen competition as it will amount to sharing - sensitive information which a rival may have access to." <Daily Nation> Above was before publishing of <http://www.cck.go.ke/current_consultations/> (in this case THE KENYA COMMUNICATIONS (TARIFF) REGULATIONS, 2009). Skunkers ought to send to CCK (or give us your comments for inclusion on ours submission) if you really want to make a lasting change. Otherwise, remain complaining forever thereafter decision are made :-( regards, Alex On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:
The way i see it the supa ongea tariff is designed to retain subscribers for long enough until they come up with a more concrete offer. Now they have people convinced they make a saving so more calls are made and the rate remains at 8sh i suggest they come up with a fixed figure and stop lying to devoted safaricom users. I wonder if they are real market leaders and believe they have superior products why not play it clean and prove to us.
On 9/23/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, the marketers seem to be having a field day at the expense of the consumers. after its launch, it worked as promised till Friday last week, when it became more theoretical than practical. The tariff is 8 bob from 8 or 9 am to 10 pm where it drops to 7 bob for an hour and then 80 cts. CBS has not send info messages for 3 days, and all this is in a place in ukambani where the number of callers shouldnt be that high. the only other explanation is that their central systems are operating at a> 90% level. Theoretically, it promises you heaven and earth, practically, its a different story
On 18/09/2009, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alex, The urban folk (poor or otherwise) always have to contend with costs associated with anything urban: 1) Electricity 2) Water 3) Food 4) Transport 5) Communications
If you are urban, expect tariffs on the higher side ... I those who live outside Nairobi...Items 1,2,3 and now 5 are, in most cases, way lower...
./bernard
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
The new tariff is good, my reasons:-
1) More affordable tariffs (note NOT offers) from any service provider are most welcome. Offers are gratuitous thus consumers are disadvantaged when demanding rights arising from 'generous' offerings from providers.
2) Once tariff is published, provider is deemed to enter into a contract with the consumers they cannot unilaterally revoke.
3) It simply depends on the information available to the consumer(buyer) before (s)he enters into the communication contract. Since the rates will be broadcast beforehand, it is my considered opinion that with full disclosure beforehand the principle of 'willing buyer, willing seller' will apply transparently.
4) I find this tariff mutually beneficial to consumers and operators. It optimises use of existing infrastructure and advances “equitable” principle that we hold dear within Civil Society circles. 'Unequal treatment of unequals' – in this case rural and urban communication tariffs and a positive voluntary step towards Universal Access.
But what would Safaricom be considering for urban poor, high-density areas, for example, for my friends at Korogocho and Kibera???
Regards,
Alex
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi skunkers, i think michael's response was not copied to the group. Please find below.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Joseph <MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:18:47 +0300 Subject: RE: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff To: Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>
The tariff is dependent on traffic per site and therefore varies every hour. There is a complicated algorithm that based on time of day, location and traffic sends a message to the IN setting the tariff for that next hour. There is both a predicted tariff algorithm and one based on history.
Regards,
Michael
CEO Safaricom Limited
-----Original Message----- From: Areba Collins [mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:49 PM To: Skunkworks forum Cc: Michael Joseph Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff
Left me a bit confused myself, but im thinkin its a tarrif that charges depending on the number of hops to the recipient's base station, so that a local loop costs you less than calling a far away price. Maybe michael (copied) would care to expound. Being a technical audience, on the nitty gritty.
On 9/15/09, Kevin Ouma <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote:
Anyone with leakage on what the super ongea tarriff will be ? Could it be 6shs and 55 cents
Anways lets wait for the big announcement on TV at 6.55 pm
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Emails are susceptible to alteration and their integrity cannot be guaranteed. Safaricom Limited does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this email if the same is found to have been altered or manipulated. The contents and opinions expressed in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Safaricom Limited. Safaricom Limited disclaims any liability to the fullest extent permissible by law for any consequences that may arise from the contents of this email including but not limited to personal opinions, malicious and/or defamatory information and data/codes that may compromise or damage the integrity of the recipient’s information technology systems. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender and immediately delete this email from your system.Unless expressly stated by a duly authorised officer of Safaricom Limited nothing contained in this email message may be construed as being an offer to contract or an acceptance of an offer capable of constituting a contract between Safaricom Limited and any recipient(s) of this email.
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My suggestions Alex: a tariff plan should always be published in the media with all charges fully disclosed, and instructions on how to join and exit one, plus how to use it. The prices should be constant for a reasonable amount of period dictated by inflation and taxation. Users should be adequately compensated and informed well in advance in case of any changes in a tariff plan. Users should therefore not be migrated into or out of a tariff plan without their consent. On 23/09/2009, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
--<snip>-- "Industry analysts say the number of new tariffs launched in the market could cause consumer confusion and create opportunities for operators to overcharge, saying it was time the industry created an independent organisation to monitor call tariffs.
"CCK appears overwhelmed with monitoring each ofthe very many services introduced to the market under the current 'apply and notify' framework. We proposed such an entity to parliament for consideration last year;' said AlexGakuru, Head of the ICT Consumers Association.
--<snip>-- from <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/659152/-/u72q8tz/-/index.html> and yesterday's <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/661448/-/u6lok8z/-/index.html> then opposed by Zain
Zain Kenya MD Rene Meza yesterday said "the requirement by telecommunications regulator, CCK, that operators get approval before adjusting their tariffs will dampen competition as it will amount to sharing - sensitive information which a rival may have access to." <Daily Nation>
Above was before publishing of <http://www.cck.go.ke/current_consultations/> (in this case THE KENYA COMMUNICATIONS (TARIFF) REGULATIONS, 2009). Skunkers ought to send to CCK (or give us your comments for inclusion on ours submission) if you really want to make a lasting change. Otherwise, remain complaining forever thereafter decision are made :-(
regards,
Alex
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:
The way i see it the supa ongea tariff is designed to retain subscribers for long enough until they come up with a more concrete offer. Now they have people convinced they make a saving so more calls are made and the rate remains at 8sh i suggest they come up with a fixed figure and stop lying to devoted safaricom users. I wonder if they are real market leaders and believe they have superior products why not play it clean and prove to us.
On 9/23/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, the marketers seem to be having a field day at the expense of the consumers. after its launch, it worked as promised till Friday last week, when it became more theoretical than practical. The tariff is 8 bob from 8 or 9 am to 10 pm where it drops to 7 bob for an hour and then 80 cts. CBS has not send info messages for 3 days, and all this is in a place in ukambani where the number of callers shouldnt be that high. the only other explanation is that their central systems are operating at a> 90% level. Theoretically, it promises you heaven and earth, practically, its a different story
On 18/09/2009, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alex, The urban folk (poor or otherwise) always have to contend with costs associated with anything urban: 1) Electricity 2) Water 3) Food 4) Transport 5) Communications
If you are urban, expect tariffs on the higher side ... I those who live outside Nairobi...Items 1,2,3 and now 5 are, in most cases, way lower...
./bernard
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
The new tariff is good, my reasons:-
1) More affordable tariffs (note NOT offers) from any service provider are most welcome. Offers are gratuitous thus consumers are disadvantaged when demanding rights arising from 'generous' offerings from providers.
2) Once tariff is published, provider is deemed to enter into a contract with the consumers they cannot unilaterally revoke.
3) It simply depends on the information available to the consumer(buyer) before (s)he enters into the communication contract. Since the rates will be broadcast beforehand, it is my considered opinion that with full disclosure beforehand the principle of 'willing buyer, willing seller' will apply transparently.
4) I find this tariff mutually beneficial to consumers and operators. It optimises use of existing infrastructure and advances “equitable” principle that we hold dear within Civil Society circles. 'Unequal treatment of unequals' – in this case rural and urban communication tariffs and a positive voluntary step towards Universal Access.
But what would Safaricom be considering for urban poor, high-density areas, for example, for my friends at Korogocho and Kibera???
Regards,
Alex
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi skunkers, i think michael's response was not copied to the group. Please find below.
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Joseph <MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:18:47 +0300 Subject: RE: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff To: Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>
The tariff is dependent on traffic per site and therefore varies every hour. There is a complicated algorithm that based on time of day, location and traffic sends a message to the IN setting the tariff for that next hour. There is both a predicted tariff algorithm and one based on history.
Regards,
Michael
CEO Safaricom Limited
-----Original Message----- From: Areba Collins [mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:49 PM To: Skunkworks forum Cc: Michael Joseph Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff
Left me a bit confused myself, but im thinkin its a tarrif that charges depending on the number of hops to the recipient's base station, so that a local loop costs you less than calling a far away price. Maybe michael (copied) would care to expound. Being a technical audience, on the nitty gritty.
On 9/15/09, Kevin Ouma <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote: > Anyone with leakage on what the super ongea tarriff will be ? Could > it be > 6shs and 55 cents > > Anways lets wait for the big announcement on TV at 6.55 pm >
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Noted! I shall include all those directed to me on our submitted comments. a. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
My suggestions Alex: a tariff plan should always be published in the media with all charges fully disclosed, and instructions on how to join and exit one, plus how to use it.
The prices should be constant for a reasonable amount of period dictated by inflation and taxation. Users should be adequately compensated and informed well in advance in case of any changes in a tariff plan. Users should therefore not be migrated into or out of a tariff plan without their consent.
On 23/09/2009, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
--<snip>-- "Industry analysts say the number of new tariffs launched in the market could cause consumer confusion and create opportunities for operators to overcharge, saying it was time the industry created an independent organisation to monitor call tariffs.
"CCK appears overwhelmed with monitoring each ofthe very many services introduced to the market under the current 'apply and notify' framework. We proposed such an entity to parliament for consideration last year;' said AlexGakuru, Head of the ICT Consumers Association.
--<snip>-- from <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/659152/-/u72q8tz/-/index.html> and yesterday's <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/661448/-/u6lok8z/-/index.html> then opposed by Zain
Zain Kenya MD Rene Meza yesterday said "the requirement by telecommunications regulator, CCK, that operators get approval before adjusting their tariffs will dampen competition as it will amount to sharing - sensitive information which a rival may have access to." <Daily Nation>
Above was before publishing of <http://www.cck.go.ke/current_consultations/> (in this case THE KENYA COMMUNICATIONS (TARIFF) REGULATIONS, 2009). Skunkers ought to send to CCK (or give us your comments for inclusion on ours submission) if you really want to make a lasting change. Otherwise, remain complaining forever thereafter decision are made :-(
regards,
Alex
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:
The way i see it the supa ongea tariff is designed to retain subscribers for long enough until they come up with a more concrete offer. Now they have people convinced they make a saving so more calls are made and the rate remains at 8sh i suggest they come up with a fixed figure and stop lying to devoted safaricom users. I wonder if they are real market leaders and believe they have superior products why not play it clean and prove to us.
On 9/23/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, the marketers seem to be having a field day at the expense of the consumers. after its launch, it worked as promised till Friday last week, when it became more theoretical than practical. The tariff is 8 bob from 8 or 9 am to 10 pm where it drops to 7 bob for an hour and then 80 cts. CBS has not send info messages for 3 days, and all this is in a place in ukambani where the number of callers shouldnt be that high. the only other explanation is that their central systems are operating at a> 90% level. Theoretically, it promises you heaven and earth, practically, its a different story
On 18/09/2009, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alex, The urban folk (poor or otherwise) always have to contend with costs associated with anything urban: 1) Electricity 2) Water 3) Food 4) Transport 5) Communications
If you are urban, expect tariffs on the higher side ... I those who live outside Nairobi...Items 1,2,3 and now 5 are, in most cases, way lower...
./bernard
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
The new tariff is good, my reasons:-
1) More affordable tariffs (note NOT offers) from any service provider are most welcome. Offers are gratuitous thus consumers are disadvantaged when demanding rights arising from 'generous' offerings from providers.
2) Once tariff is published, provider is deemed to enter into a contract with the consumers they cannot unilaterally revoke.
3) It simply depends on the information available to the consumer(buyer) before (s)he enters into the communication contract. Since the rates will be broadcast beforehand, it is my considered opinion that with full disclosure beforehand the principle of 'willing buyer, willing seller' will apply transparently.
4) I find this tariff mutually beneficial to consumers and operators. It optimises use of existing infrastructure and advances “equitable” principle that we hold dear within Civil Society circles. 'Unequal treatment of unequals' – in this case rural and urban communication tariffs and a positive voluntary step towards Universal Access.
But what would Safaricom be considering for urban poor, high-density areas, for example, for my friends at Korogocho and Kibera???
Regards,
Alex
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi skunkers, i think michael's response was not copied to the group. > Please find below. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Michael Joseph <MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:18:47 +0300 > Subject: RE: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff > To: Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> > > The tariff is dependent on traffic per site and therefore varies > every > hour. There is a complicated algorithm that based on time of day, > location and traffic sends a message to the IN setting the tariff for > that next hour. There is both a predicted tariff algorithm and one > based > on history. > > Regards, > > Michael > > CEO > Safaricom Limited > > -----Original Message----- > From: Areba Collins [mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:49 PM > To: Skunkworks forum > Cc: Michael Joseph > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff > > Left me a bit confused myself, but im thinkin its a tarrif that > charges depending on the number of hops to the recipient's base > station, so that a local loop costs you less than calling a far away > price. > Maybe michael (copied) would care to expound. Being a technical > audience, on the nitty gritty. > > On 9/15/09, Kevin Ouma <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote: >> Anyone with leakage on what the super ongea tarriff will be ? Could >> it > be >> 6shs and 55 cents >> >> Anways lets wait for the big announcement on TV at 6.55 pm >> > ##################################################################################### > NOTE: > The information in this email and any attachments is confidential and > may be legally > privileged. It is intended only for the use of the named addressee. > > Emails are susceptible to alteration and their integrity cannot be guaranteed. > Safaricom Limited does not accept legal responsibility for the > contents of this > email if the same is found to have been altered or manipulated. > The contents and opinions expressed in this email are solely those of > the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Safaricom Limited. > Safaricom Limited > disclaims any liability to the fullest extent permissible by law for > any consequences > that may arise from the contents of this email including but not > limited to personal > opinions, malicious and/or defamatory information and data/codes that > may compromise > or damage the integrity of the recipient’s information technology systems. > If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender and > immediately delete > this email from your system.Unless expressly stated by a duly > authorised officer of > Safaricom Limited nothing contained in this email message may be > construed as being > an offer to contract or an acceptance of an offer capable of > constituting a contract > between Safaricom Limited and any recipient(s) of this email. > > ##################################################################################### > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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that is *all those* = pro-consumer... (remember that we have various folks on this list;-) On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
Noted! I shall include all those directed to me on our submitted comments. a.
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
My suggestions Alex: a tariff plan should always be published in the media with all charges fully disclosed, and instructions on how to join and exit one, plus how to use it.
The prices should be constant for a reasonable amount of period dictated by inflation and taxation. Users should be adequately compensated and informed well in advance in case of any changes in a tariff plan. Users should therefore not be migrated into or out of a tariff plan without their consent.
On 23/09/2009, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
--<snip>-- "Industry analysts say the number of new tariffs launched in the market could cause consumer confusion and create opportunities for operators to overcharge, saying it was time the industry created an independent organisation to monitor call tariffs.
"CCK appears overwhelmed with monitoring each ofthe very many services introduced to the market under the current 'apply and notify' framework. We proposed such an entity to parliament for consideration last year;' said AlexGakuru, Head of the ICT Consumers Association.
--<snip>-- from <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/659152/-/u72q8tz/-/index.html> and yesterday's <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/661448/-/u6lok8z/-/index.html> then opposed by Zain
Zain Kenya MD Rene Meza yesterday said "the requirement by telecommunications regulator, CCK, that operators get approval before adjusting their tariffs will dampen competition as it will amount to sharing - sensitive information which a rival may have access to." <Daily Nation>
Above was before publishing of <http://www.cck.go.ke/current_consultations/> (in this case THE KENYA COMMUNICATIONS (TARIFF) REGULATIONS, 2009). Skunkers ought to send to CCK (or give us your comments for inclusion on ours submission) if you really want to make a lasting change. Otherwise, remain complaining forever thereafter decision are made :-(
regards,
Alex
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:
The way i see it the supa ongea tariff is designed to retain subscribers for long enough until they come up with a more concrete offer. Now they have people convinced they make a saving so more calls are made and the rate remains at 8sh i suggest they come up with a fixed figure and stop lying to devoted safaricom users. I wonder if they are real market leaders and believe they have superior products why not play it clean and prove to us.
On 9/23/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, the marketers seem to be having a field day at the expense of the consumers. after its launch, it worked as promised till Friday last week, when it became more theoretical than practical. The tariff is 8 bob from 8 or 9 am to 10 pm where it drops to 7 bob for an hour and then 80 cts. CBS has not send info messages for 3 days, and all this is in a place in ukambani where the number of callers shouldnt be that high. the only other explanation is that their central systems are operating at a> 90% level. Theoretically, it promises you heaven and earth, practically, its a different story
On 18/09/2009, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alex, The urban folk (poor or otherwise) always have to contend with costs associated with anything urban: 1) Electricity 2) Water 3) Food 4) Transport 5) Communications
If you are urban, expect tariffs on the higher side ... I those who live outside Nairobi...Items 1,2,3 and now 5 are, in most cases, way lower...
./bernard
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
> The new tariff is good, my reasons:- > > 1) More affordable tariffs (note NOT offers) from any service provider > are most welcome. > Offers are gratuitous thus consumers are disadvantaged when demanding > rights arising from 'generous' offerings from providers. > > 2) Once tariff is published, provider is deemed to enter into a > contract with the consumers they cannot unilaterally revoke. > > 3) It simply depends on the information available to the > consumer(buyer) before (s)he enters into the communication contract. > Since the rates will be broadcast beforehand, it is my considered > opinion that with full disclosure beforehand the principle of 'willing > buyer, willing seller' will apply transparently. > > 4) I find this tariff mutually beneficial to consumers and operators. > It optimises use of existing infrastructure and advances “equitable” > principle that we hold dear within Civil Society circles. 'Unequal > treatment of unequals' – in this case rural and urban communication > tariffs and a positive voluntary step towards Universal Access. > > But what would Safaricom be considering for urban poor, high-density > areas, for example, for my friends at Korogocho and Kibera??? > > Regards, > > Alex > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi skunkers, i think michael's response was not copied to the group. > > Please find below. > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Michael Joseph <MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> > > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:18:47 +0300 > > Subject: RE: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff > > To: Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> > > > > The tariff is dependent on traffic per site and therefore varies > > every > > hour. There is a complicated algorithm that based on time of day, > > location and traffic sends a message to the IN setting the tariff for > > that next hour. There is both a predicted tariff algorithm and one > > based > > on history. > > > > Regards, > > > > Michael > > > > CEO > > Safaricom Limited > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Areba Collins [mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:49 PM > > To: Skunkworks forum > > Cc: Michael Joseph > > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff > > > > Left me a bit confused myself, but im thinkin its a tarrif that > > charges depending on the number of hops to the recipient's base > > station, so that a local loop costs you less than calling a far away > > price. > > Maybe michael (copied) would care to expound. Being a technical > > audience, on the nitty gritty. > > > > On 9/15/09, Kevin Ouma <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Anyone with leakage on what the super ongea tarriff will be ? Could > >> it > > be > >> 6shs and 55 cents > >> > >> Anways lets wait for the big announcement on TV at 6.55 pm > >> > > > ##################################################################################### > > NOTE: > > The information in this email and any attachments is confidential and > > may be legally > > privileged. It is intended only for the use of the named addressee. > > > > Emails are susceptible to alteration and their integrity cannot be > guaranteed. > > Safaricom Limited does not accept legal responsibility for the > > contents > of this > > email if the same is found to have been altered or manipulated. > > The contents and opinions expressed in this email are solely those of > > the author > > and do not necessarily represent those of Safaricom Limited. > > Safaricom > Limited > > disclaims any liability to the fullest extent permissible by law for > > any consequences > > that may arise from the contents of this email including but not > > limited to personal > > opinions, malicious and/or defamatory information and data/codes that > > may compromise > > or damage the integrity of the recipient’s information technology > systems. > > If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender and > > immediately delete > > this email from your system.Unless expressly stated by a duly > > authorised officer of > > Safaricom Limited nothing contained in this email message may be > > construed as being > > an offer to contract or an acceptance of an offer capable of > > constituting a contract > > between Safaricom Limited and any recipient(s) of this email. > > > > > ##################################################################################### > > _______________________________________________ > > Skunkworks mailing list > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > Other lists > > ------------- > > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >
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I thot some1 had to subscribe to this tariff?*212*1# i believe? Aren't there terms and conditions behind the ad in the daily? CCK directed to be notified a month for any tariff change I believe. On 9/23/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
My suggestions Alex: a tariff plan should always be published in the media with all charges fully disclosed, and instructions on how to join and exit one, plus how to use it.
The prices should be constant for a reasonable amount of period dictated by inflation and taxation. Users should be adequately compensated and informed well in advance in case of any changes in a tariff plan. Users should therefore not be migrated into or out of a tariff plan without their consent.
On 23/09/2009, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
--<snip>-- "Industry analysts say the number of new tariffs launched in the market could cause consumer confusion and create opportunities for operators to overcharge, saying it was time the industry created an independent organisation to monitor call tariffs.
"CCK appears overwhelmed with monitoring each ofthe very many services introduced to the market under the current 'apply and notify' framework. We proposed such an entity to parliament for consideration last year;' said AlexGakuru, Head of the ICT Consumers Association.
--<snip>-- from <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/659152/-/u72q8tz/-/index.html> and yesterday's <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/661448/-/u6lok8z/-/index.html> then opposed by Zain
Zain Kenya MD Rene Meza yesterday said "the requirement by telecommunications regulator, CCK, that operators get approval before adjusting their tariffs will dampen competition as it will amount to sharing - sensitive information which a rival may have access to." <Daily Nation>
Above was before publishing of <http://www.cck.go.ke/current_consultations/> (in this case THE KENYA COMMUNICATIONS (TARIFF) REGULATIONS, 2009). Skunkers ought to send to CCK (or give us your comments for inclusion on ours submission) if you really want to make a lasting change. Otherwise, remain complaining forever thereafter decision are made :-(
regards,
Alex
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:
The way i see it the supa ongea tariff is designed to retain subscribers for long enough until they come up with a more concrete offer. Now they have people convinced they make a saving so more calls are made and the rate remains at 8sh i suggest they come up with a fixed figure and stop lying to devoted safaricom users. I wonder if they are real market leaders and believe they have superior products why not play it clean and prove to us.
On 9/23/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, the marketers seem to be having a field day at the expense of the consumers. after its launch, it worked as promised till Friday last week, when it became more theoretical than practical. The tariff is 8 bob from 8 or 9 am to 10 pm where it drops to 7 bob for an hour and then 80 cts. CBS has not send info messages for 3 days, and all this is in a place in ukambani where the number of callers shouldnt be that high. the only other explanation is that their central systems are operating at a> 90% level. Theoretically, it promises you heaven and earth, practically, its a different story
On 18/09/2009, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alex, The urban folk (poor or otherwise) always have to contend with costs associated with anything urban: 1) Electricity 2) Water 3) Food 4) Transport 5) Communications
If you are urban, expect tariffs on the higher side ... I those who live outside Nairobi...Items 1,2,3 and now 5 are, in most cases, way lower...
./bernard
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
The new tariff is good, my reasons:-
1) More affordable tariffs (note NOT offers) from any service provider are most welcome. Offers are gratuitous thus consumers are disadvantaged when demanding rights arising from 'generous' offerings from providers.
2) Once tariff is published, provider is deemed to enter into a contract with the consumers they cannot unilaterally revoke.
3) It simply depends on the information available to the consumer(buyer) before (s)he enters into the communication contract. Since the rates will be broadcast beforehand, it is my considered opinion that with full disclosure beforehand the principle of 'willing buyer, willing seller' will apply transparently.
4) I find this tariff mutually beneficial to consumers and operators. It optimises use of existing infrastructure and advances “equitable” principle that we hold dear within Civil Society circles. 'Unequal treatment of unequals' – in this case rural and urban communication tariffs and a positive voluntary step towards Universal Access.
But what would Safaricom be considering for urban poor, high-density areas, for example, for my friends at Korogocho and Kibera???
Regards,
Alex
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi skunkers, i think michael's response was not copied to the group. > Please find below. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Michael Joseph <MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:18:47 +0300 > Subject: RE: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff > To: Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> > > The tariff is dependent on traffic per site and therefore varies > every > hour. There is a complicated algorithm that based on time of day, > location and traffic sends a message to the IN setting the tariff > for > that next hour. There is both a predicted tariff algorithm and one > based > on history. > > Regards, > > Michael > > CEO > Safaricom Limited > > -----Original Message----- > From: Areba Collins [mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:49 PM > To: Skunkworks forum > Cc: Michael Joseph > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff > > Left me a bit confused myself, but im thinkin its a tarrif that > charges depending on the number of hops to the recipient's base > station, so that a local loop costs you less than calling a far away > price. > Maybe michael (copied) would care to expound. Being a technical > audience, on the nitty gritty. > > On 9/15/09, Kevin Ouma <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote: >> Anyone with leakage on what the super ongea tarriff will be ? Could >> it > be >> 6shs and 55 cents >> >> Anways lets wait for the big announcement on TV at 6.55 pm >> > ##################################################################################### > NOTE: > The information in this email and any attachments is confidential > and > may be legally > privileged. It is intended only for the use of the named addressee. > > Emails are susceptible to alteration and their integrity cannot be guaranteed. > Safaricom Limited does not accept legal responsibility for the > contents of this > email if the same is found to have been altered or manipulated. > The contents and opinions expressed in this email are solely those > of > the author > and do not necessarily represent those of Safaricom Limited. > Safaricom Limited > disclaims any liability to the fullest extent permissible by law for > any consequences > that may arise from the contents of this email including but not > limited to personal > opinions, malicious and/or defamatory information and data/codes > that > may compromise > or damage the integrity of the recipient’s information technology systems. > If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender and > immediately delete > this email from your system.Unless expressly stated by a duly > authorised officer of > Safaricom Limited nothing contained in this email message may be > construed as being > an offer to contract or an acceptance of an offer capable of > constituting a contract > between Safaricom Limited and any recipient(s) of this email. > > ##################################################################################### > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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And if you have noticed, if you are using a phone with 3G and its on, you will be charged 8 bob regardless of time or your location. Why dont they tell this information to their customers using 3G? On 9/24/09, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
I thot some1 had to subscribe to this tariff?*212*1# i believe? Aren't there terms and conditions behind the ad in the daily? CCK directed to be notified a month for any tariff change I believe.
On 9/23/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
My suggestions Alex: a tariff plan should always be published in the media with all charges fully disclosed, and instructions on how to join and exit one, plus how to use it.
The prices should be constant for a reasonable amount of period dictated by inflation and taxation. Users should be adequately compensated and informed well in advance in case of any changes in a tariff plan. Users should therefore not be migrated into or out of a tariff plan without their consent.
On 23/09/2009, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
--<snip>-- "Industry analysts say the number of new tariffs launched in the market could cause consumer confusion and create opportunities for operators to overcharge, saying it was time the industry created an independent organisation to monitor call tariffs.
"CCK appears overwhelmed with monitoring each ofthe very many services introduced to the market under the current 'apply and notify' framework. We proposed such an entity to parliament for consideration last year;' said AlexGakuru, Head of the ICT Consumers Association.
--<snip>-- from <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/659152/-/u72q8tz/-/index.html> and yesterday's <http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Company%20Industry/-/539550/661448/-/u6lok8z/-/index.html> then opposed by Zain
Zain Kenya MD Rene Meza yesterday said "the requirement by telecommunications regulator, CCK, that operators get approval before adjusting their tariffs will dampen competition as it will amount to sharing - sensitive information which a rival may have access to." <Daily Nation>
Above was before publishing of <http://www.cck.go.ke/current_consultations/> (in this case THE KENYA COMMUNICATIONS (TARIFF) REGULATIONS, 2009). Skunkers ought to send to CCK (or give us your comments for inclusion on ours submission) if you really want to make a lasting change. Otherwise, remain complaining forever thereafter decision are made :-(
regards,
Alex
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Job Muriuki <muriukin@gmail.com> wrote:
The way i see it the supa ongea tariff is designed to retain subscribers for long enough until they come up with a more concrete offer. Now they have people convinced they make a saving so more calls are made and the rate remains at 8sh i suggest they come up with a fixed figure and stop lying to devoted safaricom users. I wonder if they are real market leaders and believe they have superior products why not play it clean and prove to us.
On 9/23/09, Dennis Kioko <dmbuvi@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, the marketers seem to be having a field day at the expense of the consumers. after its launch, it worked as promised till Friday last week, when it became more theoretical than practical. The tariff is 8 bob from 8 or 9 am to 10 pm where it drops to 7 bob for an hour and then 80 cts. CBS has not send info messages for 3 days, and all this is in a place in ukambani where the number of callers shouldnt be that high. the only other explanation is that their central systems are operating at a> 90% level. Theoretically, it promises you heaven and earth, practically, its a different story
On 18/09/2009, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
@Alex, The urban folk (poor or otherwise) always have to contend with costs associated with anything urban: 1) Electricity 2) Water 3) Food 4) Transport 5) Communications
If you are urban, expect tariffs on the higher side ... I those who live outside Nairobi...Items 1,2,3 and now 5 are, in most cases, way lower...
./bernard
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
> The new tariff is good, my reasons:- > > 1) More affordable tariffs (note NOT offers) from any service > provider > are most welcome. > Offers are gratuitous thus consumers are disadvantaged when demanding > rights arising from 'generous' offerings from providers. > > 2) Once tariff is published, provider is deemed to enter into a > contract with the consumers they cannot unilaterally revoke. > > 3) It simply depends on the information available to the > consumer(buyer) before (s)he enters into the communication contract. > Since the rates will be broadcast beforehand, it is my considered > opinion that with full disclosure beforehand the principle of > 'willing > buyer, willing seller' will apply transparently. > > 4) I find this tariff mutually beneficial to consumers and operators. > It optimises use of existing infrastructure and advances “equitable” > principle that we hold dear within Civil Society circles. 'Unequal > treatment of unequals' – in this case rural and urban communication > tariffs and a positive voluntary step towards Universal Access. > > But what would Safaricom be considering for urban poor, high-density > areas, for example, for my friends at Korogocho and Kibera??? > > Regards, > > Alex > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Areba Collins > <arebacollins@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi skunkers, i think michael's response was not copied to the > > group. > > Please find below. > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > From: Michael Joseph <MJoseph@safaricom.co.ke> > > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 06:18:47 +0300 > > Subject: RE: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff > > To: Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com> > > > > The tariff is dependent on traffic per site and therefore varies > > every > > hour. There is a complicated algorithm that based on time of day, > > location and traffic sends a message to the IN setting the tariff > > for > > that next hour. There is both a predicted tariff algorithm and one > > based > > on history. > > > > Regards, > > > > Michael > > > > CEO > > Safaricom Limited > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Areba Collins [mailto:arebacollins@gmail.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:49 PM > > To: Skunkworks forum > > Cc: Michael Joseph > > Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Super Ongea Tariff > > > > Left me a bit confused myself, but im thinkin its a tarrif that > > charges depending on the number of hops to the recipient's base > > station, so that a local loop costs you less than calling a far > > away > > price. > > Maybe michael (copied) would care to expound. Being a technical > > audience, on the nitty gritty. > > > > On 9/15/09, Kevin Ouma <kevin.ouma@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Anyone with leakage on what the super ongea tarriff will be ? > >> Could > >> it > > be > >> 6shs and 55 cents > >> > >> Anways lets wait for the big announcement on TV at 6.55 pm > >> > > > ##################################################################################### > > NOTE: > > The information in this email and any attachments is confidential > > and > > may be legally > > privileged. It is intended only for the use of the named addressee. > > > > Emails are susceptible to alteration and their integrity cannot be > guaranteed. > > Safaricom Limited does not accept legal responsibility for the > > contents > of this > > email if the same is found to have been altered or manipulated. > > The contents and opinions expressed in this email are solely those > > of > > the author > > and do not necessarily represent those of Safaricom Limited. > > Safaricom > Limited > > disclaims any liability to the fullest extent permissible by law > > for > > any consequences > > that may arise from the contents of this email including but not > > limited to personal > > opinions, malicious and/or defamatory information and data/codes > > that > > may compromise > > or damage the integrity of the recipient’s information technology > systems. > > If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender and > > immediately delete > > this email from your system.Unless expressly stated by a duly > > authorised officer of > > Safaricom Limited nothing contained in this email message may be > > construed as being > > an offer to contract or an acceptance of an offer capable of > > constituting a contract > > between Safaricom Limited and any recipient(s) of this email. > > > > > ##################################################################################### > > _______________________________________________ > > Skunkworks mailing list > > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > Other lists > > ------------- > > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > Other services @ http://my.co.ke > Other lists > ------------- > Announce: > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce > Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science > kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general >
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On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
I thot some1 had to subscribe to this tariff?
it's *all* tariffs not just this one. Separately, I've just received a complaint that safaricom is allegedly sending forced mobile internet subscriptions. On the case at hand the subscriber got 3 text messages and SMS settings from 445. Anyone else out there experienced the same?
I did. Yesterday. And now on to Zain, I received an SMS early in the morning informing me that "my subscription to club 20 has been succesfully renewed" .. it took me a while to realise that club 20 is a tarrif/promo which is supposed to cost me a faithful deduction of 20/= daily. I didnt remember subscribing, ever. I was puzzled. So I call customer care and am told to *120*0#. I do that and receive a response that my (involuntary) subscription will be undone the next day at 6AM. :( It is the same day that, later on at midday, I receive a flood of SMS's from 445. A long day indeed. On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
I thot some1 had to subscribe to this tariff?
it's *all* tariffs not just this one.
Separately, I've just received a complaint that safaricom is allegedly sending forced mobile internet subscriptions. On the case at hand the subscriber got 3 text messages and SMS settings from 445. Anyone else out there experienced the same? _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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Are the config settings(445) forced? I believe one has the option saving or discarding the settings... Is there a CCK policy wih regards to SMS spam? ./bernard On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> wrote:
I did. Yesterday.
And now on to Zain, I received an SMS early in the morning informing me that "my subscription to club 20 has been succesfully renewed" .. it took me a while to realise that club 20 is a tarrif/promo which is supposed to cost me a faithful deduction of 20/= daily. I didnt remember subscribing, ever. I was puzzled. So I call customer care and am told to *120*0#. I do that and receive a response that my (involuntary) subscription will be undone the next day at 6AM. :(
It is the same day that, later on at midday, I receive a flood of SMS's from 445. A long day indeed.
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
I thot some1 had to subscribe to this tariff?
it's *all* tariffs not just this one.
Separately, I've just received a complaint that safaricom is allegedly sending forced mobile internet subscriptions. On the case at hand the subscriber got 3 text messages and SMS settings from 445. Anyone else out there experienced the same? _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- Ndungi Kyalo
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Yeah, there is that too. A telco should not send you any offer whatsoever which you didnt solicit yourself. A subscriber is already paying for their service and therefore SMS offers amount to SPAM On 24/09/2009, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Are the config settings(445) forced? I believe one has the option saving or discarding the settings... Is there a CCK policy wih regards to SMS spam? ./bernard
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> wrote:
I did. Yesterday.
And now on to Zain, I received an SMS early in the morning informing me that "my subscription to club 20 has been succesfully renewed" .. it took me a while to realise that club 20 is a tarrif/promo which is supposed to cost me a faithful deduction of 20/= daily. I didnt remember subscribing, ever. I was puzzled. So I call customer care and am told to *120*0#. I do that and receive a response that my (involuntary) subscription will be undone the next day at 6AM. :(
It is the same day that, later on at midday, I receive a flood of SMS's from 445. A long day indeed.
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com>wrote:
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
I thot some1 had to subscribe to this tariff?
it's *all* tariffs not just this one.
Separately, I've just received a complaint that safaricom is allegedly sending forced mobile internet subscriptions. On the case at hand the subscriber got 3 text messages and SMS settings from 445. Anyone else out there experienced the same? _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- Ndungi Kyalo
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On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Are the config settings(445) forced? I believe one has the option saving or discarding the settings...
Would this be suggesting that *all* subscribers since contracted telecommunication service providers to provide certain services are at their mercy? They either accept or keep discarding whatever *garbage* telcos send them on, if and when, impulses tick?
Is there a CCK policy wih regards to SMS spam? ./bernard
You did not know? look it up !
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> wrote:
I did. Yesterday.
And now on to Zain, I received an SMS early in the morning informing me that "my subscription to club 20 has been succesfully renewed" .. it took me a while to realise that club 20 is a tarrif/promo which is supposed to cost me a faithful deduction of 20/= daily. I didnt remember subscribing, ever. I was puzzled. So I call customer care and am told to *120*0#. I do that and receive a response that my (involuntary) subscription will be undone the next day at 6AM. :(
It is the same day that, later on at midday, I receive a flood of SMS's from 445. A long day indeed.
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
I thot some1 had to subscribe to this tariff?
it's *all* tariffs not just this one.
Separately, I've just received a complaint that safaricom is allegedly sending forced mobile internet subscriptions. On the case at hand the subscriber got 3 text messages and SMS settings from 445. Anyone else out there experienced the same? _______________________________________________
Which begs the question: where does the regulation stand with regards to unsolicited messages, promotional or not? On 9/24/09, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:18 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Are the config settings(445) forced? I believe one has the option saving or discarding the settings...
Would this be suggesting that *all* subscribers since contracted telecommunication service providers to provide certain services are at their mercy? They either accept or keep discarding whatever *garbage* telcos send them on, if and when, impulses tick?
Is there a CCK policy wih regards to SMS spam? ./bernard
You did not know? look it up !
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Ndungi Kyalo <ndungi@gmail.com> wrote:
I did. Yesterday.
And now on to Zain, I received an SMS early in the morning informing me that "my subscription to club 20 has been succesfully renewed" .. it took me a while to realise that club 20 is a tarrif/promo which is supposed to cost me a faithful deduction of 20/= daily. I didnt remember subscribing, ever. I was puzzled. So I call customer care and am told to *120*0#. I do that and receive a response that my (involuntary) subscription will be undone the next day at 6AM. :(
It is the same day that, later on at midday, I receive a flood of SMS's from 445. A long day indeed.
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:22 AM, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
I thot some1 had to subscribe to this tariff?
it's *all* tariffs not just this one.
Separately, I've just received a complaint that safaricom is allegedly sending forced mobile internet subscriptions. On the case at hand the subscriber got 3 text messages and SMS settings from 445. Anyone else out there experienced the same? _______________________________________________
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Which begs the question: where does the regulation stand with regards to unsolicited messages, promotional or not?
Btw, what are the steps to revert to previous tariffs for those interested? Does it/how much cost? Easy of reverting..?
I believe one is entitled to one free tariff migration per month.More than this is chargeable. But what are the objectives of cck tariff regulations? On 9/24/09, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Which begs the question: where does the regulation stand with regards to unsolicited messages, promotional or not?
Btw, what are the steps to revert to previous tariffs for those interested? Does it/how much cost? Easy of reverting..? _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
-- Sent from my mobile device
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe one is entitled to one free tariff migration per month.More than this is chargeable. But what are the objectives of cck tariff regulations?
I imagine they are under sections 23 and 47 of the Kenya Communications Act of 1998, the Commission is required to ensure that communications services are provided throughout Kenya and that the interests of all users of these services are protected with respect to prices charged for and the quality and variety of those services among other responsibilities regards,
On 9/24/09, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Which begs the question: where does the regulation stand with regards to unsolicited messages, promotional or not?
Btw, what are the steps to revert to previous tariffs for those interested? Does it/how much cost? Easy of reverting..?
some tariffs may be exploiting consumers and their ignorance On 24/09/2009, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe one is entitled to one free tariff migration per month.More than this is chargeable. But what are the objectives of cck tariff regulations?
I imagine they are under sections 23 and 47 of the Kenya Communications Act of 1998, the Commission is required to ensure that communications services are provided throughout Kenya and that the interests of all users of these services are protected with respect to prices charged for and the quality and variety of those services among other responsibilities
regards,
On 9/24/09, Gakuru Alex <alexgakuru.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
Which begs the question: where does the regulation stand with regards to unsolicited messages, promotional or not?
Btw, what are the steps to revert to previous tariffs for those interested? Does it/how much cost? Easy of reverting..?
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