Skunks, I have this problem. There was a delay in renewal of a .com domain and when renewing it was found that another entity had taken up the name. The current entity has put up a website and it is not known whether the business they carrying out on the website is genuine. The entity I am asking for has a registered business of the same name and was running a legit business of the website. Now my question is, what is the process of the first entity to reqacuire the domain? -- Lusiola Brian |3 R 1 /-\ |\|
i doubt there is anything the law can do for your and your client. According to what you have provided, the second entity acquired the domain name legally. the biashara they run is of no consequence as at now. your options: add a hyphen somewhere in your name :) , look for a different domain ,or bribe the other entity to sell you the name like in the case of domain parking (i think thats what they call it). kind regards Mbugua Newton P. Githinji Phone:0715349375 On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Brian L via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Skunks, I have this problem. There was a delay in renewal of a .com domain and when renewing it was found that another entity had taken up the name.
The current entity has put up a website and it is not known whether the business they carrying out on the website is genuine.
The entity I am asking for has a registered business of the same name and was running a legit business of the website.
Now my question is, what is the process of the first entity to reqacuire the domain?
-- Lusiola Brian |3 R 1 /-\ |\|
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Find a bag of money and buy it off the new owner. I am afraid domain names have nothing to do with registered business names. The new owner has full claim on the domain now. You either buy it off them or bite the bullet and register a new domain name. On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Brian L via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Skunks, I have this problem. There was a delay in renewal of a .com domain and when renewing it was found that another entity had taken up the name.
The current entity has put up a website and it is not known whether the business they carrying out on the website is genuine.
The entity I am asking for has a registered business of the same name and was running a legit business of the website.
Now my question is, what is the process of the first entity to reqacuire the domain?
-- Lusiola Brian |3 R 1 /-\ |\|
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The new owner of the domain is running a scam business based on my clients business hence tarnishing it. There is still no redress that can be carried out? On Wednesday, April 29, 2015, David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com> wrote:
Find a bag of money and buy it off the new owner. I am afraid domain names have nothing to do with registered business names. The new owner has full claim on the domain now. You either buy it off them or bite the bullet and register a new domain name.
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Brian L via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke');>> wrote:
Skunks, I have this problem. There was a delay in renewal of a .com domain and when renewing it was found that another entity had taken up the name.
The current entity has put up a website and it is not known whether the business they carrying out on the website is genuine.
The entity I am asking for has a registered business of the same name and was running a legit business of the website.
Now my question is, what is the process of the first entity to reqacuire the domain?
-- Lusiola Brian |3 R 1 /-\ |\|
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If someone is claiming to be your client, isn't that fraud? IIRC there was a similar case a while back. And the impostors were served with a court order to cease operations. On 29 Apr 2015, at 10:20, "Brian L via skunkworks" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
The new owner of the domain is running a scam business based on my clients business hence tarnishing it. There is still no redress that can be carried out?
My two cents: Register a new domain. While at it, I always advise guys to consider registering a .ke domain, chances are you might not end up having such woes but again you have no control over the ownership of that domain as registered by entity 2 and as rightly put by David, business name and domain do not have any direct correlation to warrant court cases, "Legalism". ᐧ On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:40 AM, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Find a bag of money and buy it off the new owner. I am afraid domain names have nothing to do with registered business names. The new owner has full claim on the domain now. You either buy it off them or bite the bullet and register a new domain name.
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Brian L via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Skunks, I have this problem. There was a delay in renewal of a .com domain and when renewing it was found that another entity had taken up the name.
The current entity has put up a website and it is not known whether the business they carrying out on the website is genuine.
The entity I am asking for has a registered business of the same name and was running a legit business of the website.
Now my question is, what is the process of the first entity to reqacuire the domain?
-- Lusiola Brian |3 R 1 /-\ |\|
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And in most cases clients simply ignore when you send them reminders of domain expiry. For the case of the .com domain i believe there was a prior 30 days notice before expiry and a further 27 days grace period after expiry to repossess the domain. I would simply say blame it on your client for ignoring renewal notices if at all they were sent. ᐧ On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 10:17 AM, John Swekenyi <johnswekenyi@gmail.com> wrote:
My two cents:
Register a new domain. While at it, I always advise guys to consider registering a .ke domain, chances are you might not end up having such woes but again you have no control over the ownership of that domain as registered by entity 2 and as rightly put by David, business name and domain do not have any direct correlation to warrant court cases, "Legalism". ᐧ
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:40 AM, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Find a bag of money and buy it off the new owner. I am afraid domain names have nothing to do with registered business names. The new owner has full claim on the domain now. You either buy it off them or bite the bullet and register a new domain name.
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Brian L via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Skunks, I have this problem. There was a delay in renewal of a .com domain and when renewing it was found that another entity had taken up the name.
The current entity has put up a website and it is not known whether the business they carrying out on the website is genuine.
The entity I am asking for has a registered business of the same name and was running a legit business of the website.
Now my question is, what is the process of the first entity to reqacuire the domain?
-- Lusiola Brian |3 R 1 /-\ |\|
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Any client who let's his domain expire is either not well informed, or does not attach value to the domain. Sad these cases are many. Legally speaking, you can seek redress from a court of competent jurisdiction. I am afraid that our courts may not be respected in respect to Generic Top Level Domains. So if your client has loads of cash, he can institute legal proceedings in US. As you have described, if the new owner is using that domain to trash your client's reputation, he has a higher chance of acquiring it back. If you Google around, you will find many cases that have been won on trademarks alone, even if the trademark owner had not registered the domain in the first place . As someone has said, .ke are safer because we have dispute resolution mechanisms in Kenya. Regards On Apr 29, 2015 10:26 AM, "John Swekenyi via skunkworks" < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
And in most cases clients simply ignore when you send them reminders of domain expiry. For the case of the .com domain i believe there was a prior 30 days notice before expiry and a further 27 days grace period after expiry to repossess the domain.
I would simply say blame it on your client for ignoring renewal notices if at all they were sent. ᐧ
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 10:17 AM, John Swekenyi <johnswekenyi@gmail.com> wrote:
My two cents:
Register a new domain. While at it, I always advise guys to consider registering a .ke domain, chances are you might not end up having such woes but again you have no control over the ownership of that domain as registered by entity 2 and as rightly put by David, business name and domain do not have any direct correlation to warrant court cases, "Legalism". ᐧ
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:40 AM, David Njuguna via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Find a bag of money and buy it off the new owner. I am afraid domain names have nothing to do with registered business names. The new owner has full claim on the domain now. You either buy it off them or bite the bullet and register a new domain name.
On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Brian L via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Skunks, I have this problem. There was a delay in renewal of a .com domain and when renewing it was found that another entity had taken up the name.
The current entity has put up a website and it is not known whether the business they carrying out on the website is genuine.
The entity I am asking for has a registered business of the same name and was running a legit business of the website.
Now my question is, what is the process of the first entity to reqacuire the domain?
-- Lusiola Brian |3 R 1 /-\ |\|
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a .com Will get redemption period after 30 days of expiry, you will have a chance to cough out some money to recover it for another 60 days, from there the domain is not yours.Just register another domain. If it was mine, I would prefer a .ke Morris. M. http://getonlinehosts.co.ke =========================================================================== " You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts." ~ Patrick Moynihan =========================================================================== From: John Swekenyi via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> To: David Njuguna <dnjuguna@gmail.com>; Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] .com Domain My two cents: Register a new domain. While at it, I always advise guys to consider registering a .ke domain, chances are you might not end up having such woes but again you have no control over the ownership of that domain as registered by entity 2 and as rightly put by David, business name and domain do not have any direct correlation to warrant court cases, "Legalism". ᐧ On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:40 AM, David Njuguna via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: Find a bag of money and buy it off the new owner. I am afraid domain names have nothing to do with registered business names. The new owner has full claim on the domain now. You either buy it off them or bite the bullet and register a new domain name. On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 9:23 AM, Brian L via skunkworks <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote: Skunks, I have this problem. There was a delay in renewal of a .com domain and when renewing it was found that another entity had taken up the name. The current entity has put up a website and it is not known whether the business they carrying out on the website is genuine. The entity I am asking for has a registered business of the same name and was running a legit business of the website. Now my question is, what is the process of the first entity to reqacuire the domain? -- Lusiola Brian |3 R 1 /-\ |\| _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke -- ****************************************************************************************************************** John Swekenyi Web Design | Web Hosting | Domain Registration | Software Development +254 724 687 063 / 736 081 314 _______________________________________________ skunkworks mailing list skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
There's a domain name dispute resolution policy here - https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/help/dndr/udrp-en. YMMV. Regards, Steve On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:23 AM, Brian L via skunkworks < skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> wrote:
Skunks, I have this problem. There was a delay in renewal of a .com domain and when renewing it was found that another entity had taken up the name.
The current entity has put up a website and it is not known whether the business they carrying out on the website is genuine.
The entity I am asking for has a registered business of the same name and was running a legit business of the website.
Now my question is, what is the process of the first entity to reqacuire the domain?
-- Lusiola Brian |3 R 1 /-\ |\|
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