Re: [Skunkworks] Will Open source make developing nations dumber and dependent on freeware to run economies?
I totally share @Aki's view on this thread. Now about @Emanuel's views on re-inventing the wheel? That's what the US motor industry had to do, literally rather than just reinvent the wheel, they had to reinvent the concept of the cars consumers "need" just to stay afloat in the long run. For decades cars have been designed and built around certain parameters stored in on some bookshelf. Unfortunately some of those parameters are continually becoming irrelevant in this day and age with the economic situation as it is coupled with rising energy costs. For these reasons reinventing the wheel becomes necessary. I think what @Aki is saying is, with attitudes of us kenyans nothing would change. Look at Kenya railways. It was a major force to reckon with as far as mechanical engineering was concerned back in the 70s and 80s but the same coaches and engines that where used back them have deceptively been sufficient up until today... (nothing has changed).. okay lets go to something nearer home. The drivers licenses booklet thingy. Those things should have been changed years ago. So it's the same mentality with us kenyan developers. As long as it can be downloaded and plugged in; we are content with it as it is. @Aki unfortunately this thing is everywhere. look at local radio. one station starts "Secret Sound" and the rest adopt the idea and so on. So tuning in to each radio station you find the same old "creativity". across the board. Anyway i could go on and on and on. I am working on a "Secret" Personal project which I don't want to divulge and info on at this time. All I can say is it is nothing new but I am just implementing the wheel from scratch in a different way. At 1st when I started it looked impossible with today's technology but the more i proceed i keep discovering ways to do it. yep, that's it for now. SKYPE: sobbayi US: +1 202 297 6831 +1 202 470 0525 KE: +254 722 627 691 http://blog.sobbayi.com http://sobbayi.blogspot.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "aki" <aki275@googlemail.com> To: "Skunkworks Forum" <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2009 8:32:37 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Will Open source make developing nations dumber and dependent on freeware to run economies? @Emmanuel, thnks. I think FreeBSD is something that holds a unified light for OS which will make development easier. Well, I hope to see something new from local OS people sometime next year worth many mentions and achievements. Something to change perceptions that exist. When I mention dumbness, it is not meant as an insult but as a wake up call that things should be moving or we easily become Open Source Robots who can only do one thing : download this or that. I've shared me thots... nice week to all. :-) _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
@Steve, I'll share my final thots on the thread. As you are also out there, those of us who have been out there worked through winters or summers etc know where home is and what's wrong with it. Those of us who have travelled on undergrounds and bullet trains know. We are seriously lagging behind by generations. To make things worse, all this Open Source free-bee ness is going to turn even aspiring developers/programmers into "dumb zombies". Unfortunately there is no solution to this culture of making money from free-bee ness. Skills, huh what skills? What, installing ISO files and repository updates are skills or googling scripts to work? KE programmers and developers have a much better success rate at what they do than others out there. Try asking some Mac Donald's staff of their educational background and you will wonder at the level of competitiveness out there. Degrees, well so what, almost everyone has them. Open Source is a big set back to us and slowly taking most down with it. If we were to really embrace Open Source and make it ours, then the fight for turf would be very vicious and most competitive. But I guess this will never happen..... Anyway, not to be too spammy, I hope to setup a serious C# programming evening classes etc in about 2 - 3 years time, for aspiring ones to master ( yes master, not the crappy ones found following some books syllabus or cbt or dvd nonsense etc ) and something for the best of the best. Until we do this, we are going no where. And yes, if any student is found with copy paste skills, the door will be shown to them. Hopefully there will be a place for such. :-) Best Rgds and signout. me thots....
@aki What do you understand by "open source"? You've mentioned it a gazillion times without saying what you mean by it. I gather "downloading" and "free-bee-ness" is a big part of your (mis?)understanding? But let's hear it directly from you. saidi On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 1:21 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
@Steve, I'll share my final thots on the thread.
As you are also out there, those of us who have been out there worked through winters or summers etc know where home is and what's wrong with it. Those of us who have travelled on undergrounds and bullet trains know. We are seriously lagging behind by generations. To make things worse, all this Open Source free-bee ness is going to turn even aspiring developers/programmers into "dumb zombies". Unfortunately there is no solution to this culture of making money from free-bee ness. Skills, huh what skills? What, installing ISO files and repository updates are skills or googling scripts to work?
KE programmers and developers have a much better success rate at what they do than others out there. Try asking some Mac Donald's staff of their educational background and you will wonder at the level of competitiveness out there. Degrees, well so what, almost everyone has them.
Open Source is a big set back to us and slowly taking most down with it. If we were to really embrace Open Source and make it ours, then the fight for turf would be very vicious and most competitive. But I guess this will never happen.....
Anyway, not to be too spammy, I hope to setup a serious C# programming evening classes etc in about 2 - 3 years time, for aspiring ones to master ( yes master, not the crappy ones found following some books syllabus or cbt or dvd nonsense etc ) and something for the best of the best. Until we do this, we are going no where. And yes, if any student is found with copy paste skills, the door will be shown to them. Hopefully there will be a place for such. :-)
Best Rgds and signout.
me thots....
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On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
@aki What do you understand by "open source"? You've mentioned it a gazillion times without saying what you mean by it. I gather "downloading" and "free-bee-ness" is a big part of your (mis?)understanding? But let's hear it directly from you.
saidi
@Saidi, sorry I'm kind of tired with the OS stuff. and feeding this thread Kindly do look at the end result of what OS is, then it will make more sense as a generalised statement as I put it. :-) Or please list as how you understand OS to be ( wihtout the licensing scheme and the rest ), we can start from there. Cheers.
Way to go @aki. Your critiques of opensource are very direct and specific, yet your definition of opensource is very vague and general. I'm seriously trying to understand what you're saying. In your posts you've mixed *BSD, downloading, PC-BSD, "free-bee-ness", C#, script-kiddies.... I don't really know what you're saying anymore. But, it is your prerogative to be misunderstood ;) saidi On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 2:55 PM, aki <aki275@googlemail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:36 PM, saidimu apale <saidimu@gmail.com> wrote:
@aki What do you understand by "open source"? You've mentioned it a gazillion times without saying what you mean by it. I gather "downloading" and "free-bee-ness" is a big part of your (mis?)understanding? But let's hear it directly from you.
saidi
@Saidi, sorry I'm kind of tired with the OS stuff. and feeding this thread Kindly do look at the end result of what OS is, then it will make more sense as a generalised statement as I put it. :-)
Or please list as how you understand OS to be ( wihtout the licensing scheme and the rest ), we can start from there.
Cheers.
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