Announcing; Skunkworks Mailing List Etiquette
The skunkworks list brings together the technology community in Kenya and beyond. The subscribers to the list have diverse background. Participation in the list, like participation in any community, requires a common basis for communication. These basic rules of etiquette hopefully will help keep our communications civil and useful. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ **** What constitutes inappropriate posting? **** -> Personal Attacks, discrimination based on race, tribe, age, or anything really are frowned upon and not allowed. -> Obsenities are not allowed. -> Thread hijacks are not allowed. -> Spam is not allowed. Unsolicited marketing of products is not allowed. Products can only be mentioned in response to requests for information/products/service **** What is proper etiquette when composing new messages **** -> Not everyone on the list uses a high speed connection to read mail. If you need to include the contents of a file, it would be prudent to put that information on a website somewhere (use the Skunkworks Bulletin Board (( http://my.co.ke/phpbb) for instance) and paste the URL within your message. -> Please format your message so that it is legible, and PLEASE DO NOT SHOUT!!!!! -> Many of us do not have English as our first language, so let us avoid criticizing each other for spelling or grammatical errors. -> For OFF TOPIC messages, please use the Skunkworks Bulletin Board ( http://my.co.ke/phpbb). The list is meant for technology related discussions, so anything else is OFF TOPIC. **** What is proper etiquette when replying to existing messages **** -> Please include relevant text from the original message. Condense the message to a size that does not lose the gist of the original message. -> Consider using some means to identify which text came from the original message from your text. Many of us prepend the “>” to the original message, which makes it more legible. -> Please avoid top posting. Illustrated: a3: Please. q3: Should I avoid top posting on this mailing list? a2: Because, by reversing the order of a conversation, it leaves the reader without much context, and makes them read a message in an unnatural order. q2: Why is top posting irritating? a1: It is the practice of putting your reply to a message before the quoted message, instead of after the (trimmed) message. q1: What is top posting? (Thanks to Ashok :) ) **** Enforcement **** For inappropriate posts, the following set of actions will be taken: -> First offending post - Public warning, no further action taken -> Second offending post - Public warning, Poster placed on moderation for 1 week -> Final offending post - Public warning, Poster permanently banned from list The Skunkworks online forum is here: (http://my.co.ke/phpbb) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ First Revision - Aug 2009 -- With Regards, Phares Kariuki | T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares |
<action> Cracked whip </action> Na tujipange.... On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Phares Kariuki <pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
The skunkworks list brings together the technology community in Kenya and beyond. The subscribers to the list have diverse background. Participation in the list, like participation in any community, requires a common basis for communication.
These basic rules of etiquette hopefully will help keep our communications civil and useful.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
**** What constitutes inappropriate posting? ****
-> Personal Attacks, discrimination based on race, tribe, age, or anything really are frowned upon and not allowed.
-> Obsenities are not allowed.
-> Thread hijacks are not allowed.
-> Spam is not allowed. Unsolicited marketing of products is not allowed. Products can only be mentioned in response to requests for information/products/service
**** What is proper etiquette when composing new messages ****
-> Not everyone on the list uses a high speed connection to read mail. If you need to include the contents of a file, it would be prudent to put that information on a website somewhere (use the Skunkworks Bulletin Board (( http://my.co.ke/phpbb) for instance) and paste the URL within your message.
-> Please format your message so that it is legible, and PLEASE DO NOT SHOUT!!!!!
-> Many of us do not have English as our first language, so let us avoid criticizing each other for spelling or grammatical errors.
-> For OFF TOPIC messages, please use the Skunkworks Bulletin Board ( http://my.co.ke/phpbb). The list is meant for technology related discussions, so anything else is OFF TOPIC.
**** What is proper etiquette when replying to existing messages ****
-> Please include relevant text from the original message. Condense the message to a size that does not lose the gist of the original message.
-> Consider using some means to identify which text came from the original message from your text. Many of us prepend the “>” to the original message, which makes it more legible.
-> Please avoid top posting. Illustrated:
a3: Please. q3: Should I avoid top posting on this mailing list?
a2: Because, by reversing the order of a conversation, it leaves the reader without much context, and makes them read a message in an unnatural order. q2: Why is top posting irritating?
a1: It is the practice of putting your reply to a message before the quoted message, instead of after the (trimmed) message. q1: What is top posting?
(Thanks to Ashok :) )
**** Enforcement ****
For inappropriate posts, the following set of actions will be taken:
-> First offending post - Public warning, no further action taken -> Second offending post - Public warning, Poster placed on moderation for 1 week -> Final offending post - Public warning, Poster permanently banned from list
The Skunkworks online forum is here: (http://my.co.ke/phpbb)
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ First Revision - Aug 2009
-- With Regards,
Phares Kariuki
| T: +254 734 810 802 | E: pkariuki@gmail.com | Twitter: kaboro | Skype: kariukiphares |
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On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Phares Kariuki<pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
The skunkworks list brings together the technology community in Kenya and beyond. The subscribers to the list have diverse background. Participation
<snip> What about replies to digests? BR, S
Are these rules negotiable ama its final? On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:39 AM, Phares Kariuki<pkariuki@gmail.com> wrote:
The skunkworks list brings together the technology community in Kenya and beyond. The subscribers to the list have diverse background. Participation
<snip>
What about replies to digests? BR, S _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
@ Phares True, I was beginning to feel reminiscent of some email lists I unsubscribed from about 2 years ago.... Reading some threads and personal attacks always left heads ringing with a bad after taste, drowning the topics... All one remembers months later is the attacks, the original messages or opinions disappear very fast.
It about time ! thanks phares On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:05 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Phares
True, I was beginning to feel reminiscent of some email lists I unsubscribed from about 2 years ago....
Reading some threads and personal attacks always left heads ringing with a bad after taste, drowning the topics...
All one remembers months later is the attacks, the original messages or opinions disappear very fast.
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Phares for President! If Phares takes dubia strungi, karibu! Let us maintain etiquette on this list instead of attacking personalities! On 19/08/2009, I. Ati <mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
It about time !
thanks phares On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:05 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>wrote:
@ Phares
True, I was beginning to feel reminiscent of some email lists I unsubscribed from about 2 years ago....
Reading some threads and personal attacks always left heads ringing with a bad after taste, drowning the topics...
All one remembers months later is the attacks, the original messages or opinions disappear very fast.
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-- Solomon Mburu P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill! AND It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity!
I give my unreserved support for this, otherwise this list will decline in utility. Kiania. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:34 PM, I. Ati<mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
It about time !
thanks phares On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:05 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Phares
True, I was beginning to feel reminiscent of some email lists I unsubscribed from about 2 years ago....
Reading some threads and personal attacks always left heads ringing with a bad after taste, drowning the topics...
All one remembers months later is the attacks, the original messages or opinions disappear very fast.
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I support this new rules completely On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
I give my unreserved support for this, otherwise this list will decline in utility.
Kiania.
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:34 PM, I. Ati<mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
It about time !
thanks phares On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:05 PM, ndungu stephen < ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Phares
True, I was beginning to feel reminiscent of some email lists I unsubscribed from about 2 years ago....
Reading some threads and personal attacks always left heads ringing with
a
bad after taste, drowning the topics...
All one remembers months later is the attacks, the original messages or opinions disappear very fast.
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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--
[Asentric Consulting Ltd]
If a man has in himself the soul of a slave will he not become one no matter what his birth ....
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There you have it ! The tribe has spoken On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Joseph McDonald <mcdonaldoj@gmail.com>wrote:
I support this new rules completely
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 9:44 PM, David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd < kianiadee@gmail.com> wrote:
I give my unreserved support for this, otherwise this list will decline in utility.
Kiania.
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:34 PM, I. Ati<mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
It about time !
thanks phares On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:05 PM, ndungu stephen < ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Phares
True, I was beginning to feel reminiscent of some email lists I unsubscribed from about 2 years ago....
Reading some threads and personal attacks always left heads ringing
with a
bad after taste, drowning the topics...
All one remembers months later is the attacks, the original messages or opinions disappear very fast.
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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--
[Asentric Consulting Ltd]
If a man has in himself the soul of a slave will he not become one no matter what his birth ....
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-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- God is not an excuse for lack of discipline -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
I also support the guidelines apart from the "top posting" proviso. I've been using web-mail since 1998 and find it unnatural to have to scroll down to the message in a post, especially if I've been following the conversation in the previous emails. If you notice, everyone who responded to this has "top posted" ________________________________ From: David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:44:00 AM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] Announcing; Skunkworks Mailing List Etiquette I give my unreserved support for this, otherwise this list will decline in utility. Kiania. On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:34 PM, I. Ati<mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
It about time !
thanks phares On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:05 PM, ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Phares
True, I was beginning to feel reminiscent of some email lists I unsubscribed from about 2 years ago....
Reading some threads and personal attacks always left heads ringing with a bad after taste, drowning the topics...
All one remembers months later is the attacks, the original messages or opinions disappear very fast.
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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-- [Asentric Consulting Ltd] If a man has in himself the soul of a slave will he not become one no matter what his birth .... -Richest Man in Babylon _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
Phares Is the netiquette post above for discussion or final? On top posting I think you are very very wrong. And again you have a bunch here who are cyber passengers. They contribute nothing on the list and will be making lots of useless noise when people contribute. Its like having a classroom full of empty heads. When they see the teacher enter the classroom they will make funny faces while when asked to even solve a single sum they wont. A listserve is like a website and its worth is reatly measured by teh content and activity. Tahts why craiglist.com is useless in design but very much up there in rankings. When they pretend to make any meaningful contribution, they will use sideshows and veer much off the topic. You have seen that David do it in the other thread. So I challenge those parts of the nitiquette post in this thread. Only corrupt parliamentarians pass a law without discussing it MO On 8/19/09, Bernard Owuor <b_owuor@yahoo.com> wrote:
I also support the guidelines apart from the "top posting" proviso. I've been using web-mail since 1998 and find it unnatural to have to scroll down to the message in a post, especially if I've been following the conversation in the previous emails. If you notice, everyone who responded to this has "top posted"
------------------------------ *From:* David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> *To:* Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:44:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Announcing; Skunkworks Mailing List Etiquette
I give my unreserved support for this, otherwise this list will decline in utility.
Kiania.
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:34 PM, I. Ati<mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
It about time !
thanks phares On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:05 PM, ndungu stephen < ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Phares
True, I was beginning to feel reminiscent of some email lists I unsubscribed from about 2 years ago....
Reading some threads and personal attacks always left heads ringing with
a
bad after taste, drowning the topics...
All one remembers months later is the attacks, the original messages or opinions disappear very fast.
_______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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--
[Asentric Consulting Ltd]
If a man has in himself the soul of a slave will he not become one no matter what his birth ....
-Richest Man in Babylon _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks Other services @ http://my.co.ke Other lists ------------- Announce: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks-announce Science: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/science kazi: http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/kazi/general
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@ Phares some times we cant help or prevent top posting though --- When you try to reply to mail via some kinds of smart phones - they do not give you an option to delete or eliminate prior text... which will show up as top-posting -- i hope we can be forgiven for that,,, sometimes reading skunkmails in a matatu when there is a traffic jam keeps ur mind occupied for hours kabla you fika home :-)
@phares some member in this listing are just too abusive and wonder why you guyz are not taking actions against them, cause they are well know for there abusive nature in all forums they go to for example http://groups.yahoo.com/group/africa-oped/message/34407 home skunkworks can have some peace finally -- http://xkcd.com/154/
On top posting - I think if every was to read *carefully* through the list etiquette, it does not follow under 'inappropriate' posts... -- Josiah Mugambi On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:47 PM, mike oketch <mikeoketch@gmail.com> wrote:
Phares
Is the netiquette post above for discussion or final? On top posting I think you are very very wrong. And again you have a bunch here who are cyber passengers. They contribute nothing on the list and will be making lots of useless noise when people contribute.
Its like having a classroom full of empty heads. When they see the teacher enter the classroom they will make funny faces while when asked to even solve a single sum they wont.
A listserve is like a website and its worth is reatly measured by teh content and activity. Tahts why craiglist.com is useless in design but very much up there in rankings. When they pretend to make any meaningful contribution, they will use sideshows and veer much off the topic. You have seen that David do it in the other thread.
So I challenge those parts of the nitiquette post in this thread. Only corrupt parliamentarians pass a law without discussing it
MO
On 8/19/09, Bernard Owuor <b_owuor@yahoo.com> wrote:
I also support the guidelines apart from the "top posting" proviso. I've been using web-mail since 1998 and find it unnatural to have to scroll down to the message in a post, especially if I've been following the conversation in the previous emails. If you notice, everyone who responded to this has "top posted"
------------------------------ *From:* David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd <kianiadee@gmail.com> *To:* Skunkworks forum <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:44:00 AM *Subject:* Re: [Skunkworks] Announcing; Skunkworks Mailing List Etiquette
I give my unreserved support for this, otherwise this list will decline in utility.
Kiania.
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:34 PM, I. Ati<mueni0@gmail.com> wrote:
It about time !
thanks phares On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:05 PM, ndungu stephen < ndungustephen@gmail.com> wrote:
@ Phares
True, I was beginning to feel reminiscent of some email lists I unsubscribed from about 2 years ago....
Reading some threads and personal attacks always left heads ringing
with a
bad after taste, drowning the topics...
All one remembers months later is the attacks, the original messages or opinions disappear very fast.
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--
[Asentric Consulting Ltd]
If a man has in himself the soul of a slave will he not become one no matter what his birth ....
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Ili iwe funzo kwa wale wote walio na tabia hizo, kurandaranda na kutusi watu ovyo ovyo bila adabu. Namuomba moderator awachukulie hatua kali. On 8/19/09, Davis Waithaka <daviswaithaka@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there any stern action that can be taken against defaulters?
-- Davis Waithaka <daviswaithaka@gmail.com> Systems Kenya Solutions
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Wow - where did you guys get this ? | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/africa-oped/message/34407 Anyway, I hope skunkworks doesn't get to that level [?]
top-posting should be discouraged, but not entirely made as a mortal sin - my thoughts ./Ok3ch
Ooh my God, that yahoo group discussion is not impressive @ all how does one use graphic language on such a forum? SKW, I hope, will and should never go there! Moderators, kindly do this, if fine with the rest, fire everybody, then we re-apply to join the forum, if this careless language continues! On top-posting it should not be banished because we use different media for browsing e.g phones etc. I think the other option for sanctions, is approval of comments before posting them online. Remember this forum is online @ afraha! Sense and sobriety, must prevail! Cheers On 19/08/2009, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
top-posting should be discouraged, but not entirely made as a mortal sin - my thoughts
./Ok3ch
-- Solomon Mburu P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041 Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill! AND It is better to die in dignity than in the ignomity of ambiguous generosity!
@ solomon the forum is no longer online on afraha. For anyone that cares to know, i made 23 usd from the two months i tried the experiment. When i return, it will be another experiment to prove you can make money online without much effort. (except dealing with with insults and abuses for using people's content. :-) On 8/19/09, Solomon Mburu <solo.mburu@gmail.com> wrote:
Ooh my God, that yahoo group discussion is not impressive @ all how does one use graphic language on such a forum? SKW, I hope, will and should never go there! Moderators, kindly do this, if fine with the rest, fire everybody, then we re-apply to join the forum, if this careless language continues! On top-posting it should not be banished because we use different media for browsing e.g phones etc. I think the other option for sanctions, is approval of comments before posting them online. Remember this forum is online @ afraha! Sense and sobriety, must prevail! Cheers
On 19/08/2009, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
top-posting should be discouraged, but not entirely made as a mortal sin - my thoughts
./Ok3ch
-- Solomon Mburu P.O. Box 19343 - 00202 Nairobi Cell: (+254-0) 735 431041
Man is a gregarious animal and enjoys agreement as cows will graze all the same way to the side of a hill!
AND
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hehehe - guess the money is worth more than taking the insults ./Ok3ch On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Not at the risk of violating the TOS for google adsense when just about to cash in. The concept however may be a good idea to fund raise for the group while maintaining a presentable archive. On 8/20/09, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
hehehe - guess the money is worth more than taking the insults
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
-- Its Possible! http://www.itspossible.afraha.com Collins Areba Omwoyo +254 735 824872 / +254 720 516758 arebacollins[at]gmail[dot]com
* *A great thing is usually ruined by few bad apples. We have brilliant , respectable minds interacting on this list. Let not this great forum be destroyed by those who do not care about progress.I think there is enough evidence of the need for regulation. I usually disagree with many on this forum on different issues(many of whom are my friends) we go about discussions in an amicable way and can even do business together after that. Countries have laws for dealing with few bad apples. I think we are in general agreement of the etiquette required here. Moderator, do not feel any guilt in ensuring that this remains a forum remains respectable. On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:30 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
Not at the risk of violating the TOS for google adsense when just about to cash in. The concept however may be a good idea to fund raise for the group while maintaining a presentable archive.
On 8/20/09, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
hehehe - guess the money is worth more than taking the insults
./Ok3ch
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Areba Collins <arebacollins@gmail.com>wrote:
-- Its Possible! http://www.itspossible.afraha.com
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-- Sent from my Voice Recognition Watch© -------------------------------------------------------------------- God is not an excuse for lack of discipline -------------------------------------------------------------------- Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate,but that we are powerful beyond measure.It is our light, not our darkness, that frightens us.There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.As we let our own light shine, we consciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our fear,our presence automatically liberates others.
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Joram Mwinamo<joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
A great thing is usually ruined by few bad apples. We have brilliant , respectable minds interacting on this list. Let not this great forum be destroyed by those who do not care about progress.I think there is enough evidence of the need for regulation.
Totally agree with you, and the rest of us who are increasingly feeling fed up of some posts. In the meantime, let me suggest that we don't feed the trolls. Inevitably, some idiot will post crap, but methinks replying only gives them the kicks - and recognition - they're looking for. Count to ten, breathe deeply, and hit shift_del. Do not reply. BR, S
Steve Muchai and others Do we lack what to discuss? Surely this man has your attention and it makes many here believe him that we have empty debes around. Whatever he does has keep skunkers occupied and thats no lie Phillip Ochieng' once wrote that the success of a writer is never on how positively people view what he writes but its the amount of reactions he stirs. Theus On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Steve Muchai <smuchai@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Joram Mwinamo<joram.mwinamo@gmail.com> wrote:
A great thing is usually ruined by few bad apples. We have brilliant , respectable minds interacting on this list. Let not this great forum be destroyed by those who do not care about progress.I think there is enough evidence of the need for regulation.
Totally agree with you, and the rest of us who are increasingly feeling fed up of some posts.
In the meantime, let me suggest that we don't feed the trolls. Inevitably, some idiot will post crap, but methinks replying only gives them the kicks - and recognition - they're looking for. Count to ten, breathe deeply, and hit shift_del. Do not reply.
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On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Theus Owicho<owichot@gmail.com> wrote: [....]
Phillip Ochieng' once wrote that the success of a writer is never on how positively people view what he writes but its the amount of reactions he stirs.
Thanks, totally agree. So let's close this thread now. BR, S
Amen! 2009/8/21 ndungu stephen <ndungustephen@gmail.com>
Closed !
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participants (18)
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Areba Collins -
Bernard Owuor -
David Kiania | Asentric Consulting Ltd -
Davis Waithaka -
I. Ati -
Joram Mwinamo -
Joseph McDonald -
Josiah Mugambi -
Ken Simiyu -
mike oketch -
ndungu stephen -
Okechukwu -
Peter Karunyu -
Phares Kariuki -
Solomon Mburu -
Steve Muchai -
Theus Owicho