I think their more on security side than, authenticity. Registrering you IMEI number means you or someone else using your phone can be tracked even if the SIM card is changed.So its all about tracking(wether for your good,or governement good of the worse) Everyone is looking for a terrorist,or your persoal info that can be a precious products in various statistics(Data as a commodity) Think face book, their making more mney as you continuously updating your profile.You like jaguar, Iphone and other prouduct lines, or your wish...? Its all about data and power. Nicholas Mmasi Kinpro Computers
Apologies for cross posting.
I've just heard on Radio, Mr. Wangusi urging the public to check whether the mobile phone they are using is registered.
One needs to check the IMEI number by dialling *#06# then send the IMEI number to 1555.
Your service provider should give you the response appertaining to the status of your phone.
I've checked mine, and it's registered.
@Solomon,
Before confusion sets in, I believe that process is for verifying whether or not the IMEI of your phone is GENUINE. It's a different thing that a REGISTERED SIM Card.
I personally think there are competent crooks who can change the IMEI of any counterfeight phone, even by copying/pasting one from a genuine handset:-)
I don't care much about this though. Mine gets blocked and I carry it plus the purchase receipts back to the dealer for a replacement!
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On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Kinpro Computers-All IT soutions < kinprocomputers@gmail.com> wrote:
I think their more on security side than, authenticity.
Registrering you IMEI number means you or someone else using your phone can be tracked even if the SIM card is changed.So its all about tracking(wether for your good,or governement good of the worse)
What do you mean by "registering your IMEI number"? I see your statements as quite misleading! -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
@Wash - What can stop CCK from associating your registered SIM card name with this associated IMEI? We have no idea what goes in the background on the short code so it may or may not happen. To me, this can have an advantage and a disadvantage. ./Ok3ch On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Kinpro Computers-All IT soutions <kinprocomputers@gmail.com> wrote:
I think their more on security side than, authenticity.
Registrering you IMEI number means you or someone else using your phone can be tracked even if the SIM card is changed.So its all about tracking(wether for your good,or governement good of the worse)
What do you mean by "registering your IMEI number"?
I see your statements as quite misleading!
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I know they can, but that is based on the fact that they DON'T think: 1. I have multiple SIM cards, or I can even lend the phone to another person to use.. 2. I can sell the phone to someone else, who can sell it to someone else, who can also sell it to someone else, who then breaks it and it becomes junk in someone else's workshop I am just saying it does not make sense to tie an IMEI to a SIM card! My opinion:-) On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash - What can stop CCK from associating your registered SIM card name with this associated IMEI? We have no idea what goes in the background on the short code so it may or may not happen. To me, this can have an advantage and a disadvantage.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Kinpro Computers-All IT soutions <kinprocomputers@gmail.com> wrote:
I think their more on security side than, authenticity.
Registrering you IMEI number means you or someone else using your phone can be tracked even if the SIM card is changed.So its all about tracking(wether for your good,or governement good of the worse)
What do you mean by "registering your IMEI number"?
I see your statements as quite misleading!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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@Wash - Not to a SIM card, but to a personal identity - Makes it easier if your phone was used in a murder scene and you have sold it, you will be in a better position to name who you sold it to. Look at what is happening right now, about thugs picking a used scratch card and throwing it at the scene of crime, then guest who the police call first, the person who loaded the card :-) There is a lot of security potential of having your personal details linked to an IMEI and SIM card. ./Ok3ch On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
I know they can, but that is based on the fact that they DON'T think:
1. I have multiple SIM cards, or I can even lend the phone to another person to use.. 2. I can sell the phone to someone else, who can sell it to someone else, who can also sell it to someone else, who then breaks it and it becomes junk in someone else's workshop
I am just saying it does not make sense to tie an IMEI to a SIM card! My opinion:-)
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash - What can stop CCK from associating your registered SIM card name with this associated IMEI? We have no idea what goes in the background on the short code so it may or may not happen. To me, this can have an advantage and a disadvantage.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Kinpro Computers-All IT soutions <kinprocomputers@gmail.com> wrote:
I think their more on security side than, authenticity.
Registrering you IMEI number means you or someone else using your phone can be tracked even if the SIM card is changed.So its all about tracking(wether for your good,or governement good of the worse)
What do you mean by "registering your IMEI number"?
I see your statements as quite misleading!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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But the telcos have this information already. They can tell what make of phone you use, the IMEI, the activity of your sim ETC. with collaboration with other telcos they can trace your phone wherever you decide to use it. How can a phone be fake anyway if it can make or receive calls? Are these IMEI's sold by a central organization or something? On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash - Not to a SIM card, but to a personal identity - Makes it easier if your phone was used in a murder scene and you have sold it, you will be in a better position to name who you sold it to. Look at what is happening right now, about thugs picking a used scratch card and throwing it at the scene of crime, then guest who the police call first, the person who loaded the card :-) There is a lot of security potential of having your personal details linked to an IMEI and SIM card.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
I know they can, but that is based on the fact that they DON'T think:
1. I have multiple SIM cards, or I can even lend the phone to another person to use.. 2. I can sell the phone to someone else, who can sell it to someone else, who can also sell it to someone else, who then breaks it and it becomes junk in someone else's workshop
I am just saying it does not make sense to tie an IMEI to a SIM card! My opinion:-)
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash - What can stop CCK from associating your registered SIM card name with this associated IMEI? We have no idea what goes in the background on the short code so it may or may not happen. To me, this can have an advantage and a disadvantage.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Odhiambo Washington <
odhiambo@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Kinpro Computers-All IT soutions <kinprocomputers@gmail.com> wrote:
I think their more on security side than, authenticity.
Registrering you IMEI number means you or someone else using your
phone
can be tracked even if the SIM card is changed.So its all about tracking(wether for your good,or governement good of the worse)
What do you mean by "registering your IMEI number"?
I see your statements as quite misleading!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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@mark, exactly! the telco knows all this stuff so i wonder why one has to type all these digits in an sms. they can tell even when you change a handset and can restrict you to just one handset. -- On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
But the telcos have this information already. They can tell what make of phone you use, the IMEI, the activity of your sim ETC. with collaboration with other telcos they can trace your phone wherever you decide to use it. How can a phone be fake anyway if it can make or receive calls? Are these IMEI's sold by a central organization or something?
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash - Not to a SIM card, but to a personal identity - Makes it easier if your phone was used in a murder scene and you have sold it, you will be in a better position to name who you sold it to. Look at what is happening right now, about thugs picking a used scratch card and throwing it at the scene of crime, then guest who the police call first, the person who loaded the card :-) There is a lot of security potential of having your personal details linked to an IMEI and SIM card.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
I know they can, but that is based on the fact that they DON'T think:
1. I have multiple SIM cards, or I can even lend the phone to another person to use.. 2. I can sell the phone to someone else, who can sell it to someone else, who can also sell it to someone else, who then breaks it and it becomes junk in someone else's workshop
I am just saying it does not make sense to tie an IMEI to a SIM card! My opinion:-)
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash - What can stop CCK from associating your registered SIM card name with this associated IMEI? We have no idea what goes in the background on the short code so it may or may not happen. To me, this can have an advantage and a disadvantage.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Odhiambo Washington <
odhiambo@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Kinpro Computers-All IT soutions <kinprocomputers@gmail.com> wrote:
I think their more on security side than, authenticity.
Registrering you IMEI number means you or someone else using your
phone
can be tracked even if the SIM card is changed.So its all about tracking(wether for your good,or governement good of the worse)
What do you mean by "registering your IMEI number"?
I see your statements as quite misleading!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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@Gisho I will answer your question in the context of what was posted here originally. It is true that the MNOs know your IMEI. However, the 1555 shortcode was not set up for them but for the benefit of the clients. I followed the procedure as stated here and because of that I know my two (cheap) phones will not be 'switched off' come September! If another person does the check and it turns out that his/her Nokla or Samsang or SQNY is indeed 'china wuyi' with a reprogrammed IMEI, they won't be surprised when their device displays 'No network found' come September! However, THIS IS KENYA, do not be surprised when CCK postpones the deadline to September 2029 to allow for 'stakeholder discussions on way forward'. Better still, they could switch them off in September only to create a new market for people to get 'valid' IMEIs from River Road for a price that is pocket 'friendlier' than buying new phones. This is Kenya my friends... On 29 June 2012 13:12, gisho <gichuhie@gmail.com> wrote:
@mark, exactly! the telco knows all this stuff so i wonder why one has to type all these digits in an sms. they can tell even when you change a handset and can restrict you to just one handset.
--
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
But the telcos have this information already. They can tell what make of phone you use, the IMEI, the activity of your sim ETC. with collaboration with other telcos they can trace your phone wherever you decide to use it. How can a phone be fake anyway if it can make or receive calls? Are these IMEI's sold by a central organization or something?
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash - Not to a SIM card, but to a personal identity - Makes it easier if your phone was used in a murder scene and you have sold it, you will be in a better position to name who you sold it to. Look at what is happening right now, about thugs picking a used scratch card and throwing it at the scene of crime, then guest who the police call first, the person who loaded the card :-) There is a lot of security potential of having your personal details linked to an IMEI and SIM card.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
I know they can, but that is based on the fact that they DON'T think:
1. I have multiple SIM cards, or I can even lend the phone to another person to use.. 2. I can sell the phone to someone else, who can sell it to someone else, who can also sell it to someone else, who then breaks it and it becomes junk in someone else's workshop
I am just saying it does not make sense to tie an IMEI to a SIM card! My opinion:-)
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash - What can stop CCK from associating your registered SIM card name with this associated IMEI? We have no idea what goes in the background on the short code so it may or may not happen. To me, this can have an advantage and a disadvantage.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Odhiambo Washington <
odhiambo@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Kinpro Computers-All IT soutions <kinprocomputers@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think their more on security side than, authenticity. > > Registrering you IMEI number means you or someone else using your
phone
> can be tracked even if the SIM card is changed.So its all about > tracking(wether for your good,or governement good of the worse)
What do you mean by "registering your IMEI number"?
I see your statements as quite misleading!
-- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
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The service is for your convenience, not theirs. On 06/29/2012 01:12 PM, gisho wrote:
@mark, exactly! the telco knows all this stuff so i wonder why one has to type all these digits in an sms. they can tell even when you change a handset and can restrict you to just one handset.
--
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com <mailto:mwangy@gmail.com>> wrote:
But the telcos have this information already. They can tell what make of phone you use, the IMEI, the activity of your sim ETC. with collaboration with other telcos they can trace your phone wherever you decide to use it. How can a phone be fake anyway if it can make or receive calls? Are these IMEI's sold by a central organization or something?
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com <mailto:okechukwu@gmail.com>> wrote:
@Wash - Not to a SIM card, but to a personal identity - Makes it easier if your phone was used in a murder scene and you have sold it, you will be in a better position to name who you sold it to. Look at what is happening right now, about thugs picking a used scratch card and throwing it at the scene of crime, then guest who the police call first, the person who loaded the card :-) There is a lot of security potential of having your personal details linked to an IMEI and SIM card.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com <mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com>> wrote: > I know they can, but that is based on the fact that they DON'T think: > > 1. I have multiple SIM cards, or I can even lend the phone to another person > to use.. > 2. I can sell the phone to someone else, who can sell it to someone else, > who can also sell it to someone else, who then breaks > it and it becomes junk in someone else's workshop > > I am just saying it does not make sense to tie an IMEI to a SIM card! My > opinion:-) > > > > On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com <mailto:okechukwu@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> @Wash - What can stop CCK from associating your registered SIM card >> name with this associated IMEI? We have no idea what goes in the >> background on the short code so it may or may not happen. To me, this >> can have an advantage and a disadvantage. >> >> ./Ok3ch >> >> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com <mailto:odhiambo@gmail.com>> >> wrote: >> > >> > On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Kinpro Computers-All IT soutions >> > <kinprocomputers@gmail.com <mailto:kinprocomputers@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> >> >> I think their more on security side than, authenticity. >> >> >> >> Registrering you IMEI number means you or someone else using your phone >> >> can be tracked even if the SIM card is changed.So its all about >> >> tracking(wether for your good,or governement good of the worse) >> > >> > >> > What do you mean by "registering your IMEI number"? >> > >> > I see your statements as quite misleading! >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Best regards, >> > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, >> > Nairobi,KE >> > +254733744121 <tel:%2B254733744121>/+254722743223 <tel:%2B254722743223> >> > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ >> > I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Skunkworks mailing list >> > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >> > ------------ >> > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> > ------------ >> > >> > Skunkworks Rules >> > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> > ------------ >> > Other services @ http://my.co.ke >> _______________________________________________ >> Skunkworks mailing list >> Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> >> ------------ >> List info, subscribe/unsubscribe >> http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks >> ------------ >> >> Skunkworks Rules >> http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 >> ------------ >> Other services @ http://my.co.ke > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121 <tel:%2B254733744121>/+254722743223 <tel:%2B254722743223> > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke <mailto:Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------
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#CoSIgn On 29 June 2012 14:14, Alex Kamiru <nderitualex@gmail.com> wrote:
The service is for your convenience, not theirs.
On 06/29/2012 01:12 PM, gisho wrote:
@mark, exactly! the telco knows all this stuff so i wonder why one has to type all these digits in an sms. they can tell even when you change a handset and can restrict you to just one handset.
--
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
But the telcos have this information already. They can tell what make of phone you use, the IMEI, the activity of your sim ETC. with collaboration with other telcos they can trace your phone wherever you decide to use it. How can a phone be fake anyway if it can make or receive calls? Are these IMEI's sold by a central organization or something?
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash - Not to a SIM card, but to a personal identity - Makes it easier if your phone was used in a murder scene and you have sold it, you will be in a better position to name who you sold it to. Look at what is happening right now, about thugs picking a used scratch card and throwing it at the scene of crime, then guest who the police call first, the person who loaded the card :-) There is a lot of security potential of having your personal details linked to an IMEI and SIM card.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
I know they can, but that is based on the fact that they DON'T think:
1. I have multiple SIM cards, or I can even lend the phone to another person to use.. 2. I can sell the phone to someone else, who can sell it to someone else, who can also sell it to someone else, who then breaks it and it becomes junk in someone else's workshop
I am just saying it does not make sense to tie an IMEI to a SIM card! My opinion:-)
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash - What can stop CCK from associating your registered SIM card name with this associated IMEI? We have no idea what goes in the background on the short code so it may or may not happen. To me, this can have an advantage and a disadvantage.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Odhiambo Washington <
odhiambo@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Kinpro Computers-All IT soutions <kinprocomputers@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think their more on security side than, authenticity. > > Registrering you IMEI number means you or someone else using your
phone
> can be tracked even if the SIM card is changed.So its all about > tracking(wether for your good,or governement good of the worse)
What do you mean by "registering your IMEI number"?
I see your statements as quite misleading!
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One thing for sure, the CCK has established this platform for averting a situation like what we experienced in 07/08. Therefore, checking the status of your IMEI, means that you're still allowed to use the handset, after the 30th September deadline. However, challenges abound. Instead of querying why CCK came up with this now, it's better we checked the IMEI status earlier, before it's too late. Once the Data Protection Bill is legislated, then we can query what the providers and CCK does with the information we provide. On 29/06/2012, Moses Muya <mouzmuyer@gmail.com> wrote:
#CoSIgn
On 29 June 2012 14:14, Alex Kamiru <nderitualex@gmail.com> wrote:
The service is for your convenience, not theirs.
On 06/29/2012 01:12 PM, gisho wrote:
@mark, exactly! the telco knows all this stuff so i wonder why one has to type all these digits in an sms. they can tell even when you change a handset and can restrict you to just one handset.
--
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Mark Mwangi <mwangy@gmail.com> wrote:
But the telcos have this information already. They can tell what make of phone you use, the IMEI, the activity of your sim ETC. with collaboration with other telcos they can trace your phone wherever you decide to use it. How can a phone be fake anyway if it can make or receive calls? Are these IMEI's sold by a central organization or something?
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash - Not to a SIM card, but to a personal identity - Makes it easier if your phone was used in a murder scene and you have sold it, you will be in a better position to name who you sold it to. Look at what is happening right now, about thugs picking a used scratch card and throwing it at the scene of crime, then guest who the police call first, the person who loaded the card :-) There is a lot of security potential of having your personal details linked to an IMEI and SIM card.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Odhiambo Washington <odhiambo@gmail.com> wrote:
I know they can, but that is based on the fact that they DON'T think:
1. I have multiple SIM cards, or I can even lend the phone to another person to use.. 2. I can sell the phone to someone else, who can sell it to someone else, who can also sell it to someone else, who then breaks it and it becomes junk in someone else's workshop
I am just saying it does not make sense to tie an IMEI to a SIM card! My opinion:-)
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Okechukwu <okechukwu@gmail.com> wrote:
@Wash - What can stop CCK from associating your registered SIM card name with this associated IMEI? We have no idea what goes in the background on the short code so it may or may not happen. To me, this can have an advantage and a disadvantage.
./Ok3ch
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Odhiambo Washington <
odhiambo@gmail.com>
wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Kinpro Computers-All IT soutions > <kinprocomputers@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I think their more on security side than, authenticity. >> >> Registrering you IMEI number means you or someone else using your phone >> can be tracked even if the SIM card is changed.So its all about >> tracking(wether for your good,or governement good of the worse) > > > What do you mean by "registering your IMEI number"? > > I see your statements as quite misleading! > > > -- > Best regards, > Odhiambo WASHINGTON, > Nairobi,KE > +254733744121/+254722743223 > _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ > I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. > > > _______________________________________________ > Skunkworks mailing list > Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke > ------------ > List info, subscribe/unsubscribe > http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks > ------------ > > Skunkworks Rules > http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 > ------------ > Other services @ http://my.co.ke _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------
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On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Kinpro Computers-All IT soutions <kinprocomputers@gmail.com> wrote:
I think their more on security side than, authenticity.
Registrering you IMEI number means you or someone else using your phone can be tracked even if the SIM card is changed.So its all about
That's always been possible. BR, S
But hasn't the government been full of empty threats lately??? first they said that unregistered sim cards will be switched off...am still waiting for mine to loose its network access, the fake phones thing, and also the digital TV migration thing....Personally i don't see anything happening come September.... When you meet a swordsman, draw your sword; do not recite poetry to one who is not a poet. Get a signature like this. <http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=19&dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_19> CLICK HERE.<http://r1.wisestamp.com/r/landing?promo=19&dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wisestamp.com%2Femail-install%3Futm_source%3Dextension%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_campaign%3Dpromo_19>
same here. really looking forward to GoK making a tough decision in an election year On Jul 2, 2012 8:36 AM, "Wanjohi Ndegwa" <andegs2000@gmail.com> wrote:
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Someone please make me understand the whole rationale of swutching off fake phones. Is this a ploy by the phone manufacturers to protect their market. I would only expect a fake phone to the one sharing a IMEI with onether one. Which would mean both are switched off. But if the IMEI is unique, i see no problem. I think this is a poorly thought solution to "a problem" just like the number portability. If we allow mitumba to be imported, what is wrong with mitumba phones? Regards ________________________________ From: Wanjohi Ndegwa <andegs2000@gmail.com> To: Skunkworks Mailing List <skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke> Sent: Monday, July 2, 2012 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [Skunkworks] IMEI Verification code But hasn't the government been full of empty threats lately??? first they said that unregistered sim cards will be switched off...am still waiting for mine to loose its network access, the fake phones thing, and also the digital TV migration thing....Personally i don't see anything happening come September.... When you meet a swordsman, draw your sword; do not recite poetry to one who is not a poet. Get a signature like this. CLICK HERE. _______________________________________________ Skunkworks mailing list Skunkworks@lists.my.co.ke ------------ List info, subscribe/unsubscribe http://lists.my.co.ke/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/skunkworks ------------ Skunkworks Rules http://my.co.ke/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=94 ------------ Other services @ http://my.co.ke
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Shadrack Mwaniki < shadrack_mwaniki@yahoo.com> wrote:
Someone please make me understand the whole rationale of swutching off fake phones. Is this a ploy by the phone manufacturers to protect their market. I would only expect a fake phone to the one sharing a IMEI with onether one. Which would mean both are switched off. But if the IMEI is unique, i see no problem.
I think you are very correct, going by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mobile_Equipment_Identity, but again, the device manufacturers must make it almost impossible to tamper with an IMEI, so that devices can be tracked using it. What we really should be looking at is the tightening of the procedure for issuing SIM Cards, which unfortunately, would fall within the responsibilities of the MNPs. Most SIM cards are just being bought, used and discarded. Sadly, the crooks can easily afford a Mulika Mwizi, use it with such a SIM card and destroy it, leaving not-easy-to-trace tracks. My thinking around this is still twisted. I still don't understand what a fake phone is. Perhaps those are phones that don't comply with certain standards and so expose the user to dangers of radiation, etc... -- Best regards, Odhiambo WASHINGTON, Nairobi,KE +254733744121/+254722743223 _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler.
While they are at it, let the switch off all the fake network cards with fake MAC Addresses.
If you haven't looked at this, it will make some things clear: http://www.gsma.com/technicalprojects/fraud-security/imei-database/ Particularly of interest are these paragraphs: The IMEI DB also supports what is known as a “black list”. The black list is a list of IMEIs that are associated with mobile devices that should be denied service on mobile networks because they have been reported as lost, stolen, faulty or otherwise unsuitable for use. Previously known as the Central Equipment Identify Register (CEIR), the IMEI DB acts as a central system for network operators to share their individual black lists so that devices denied service (blacklisted) by one network will not work on other networks even if the SIM card in the device is changed. Network operators who deploy Equipment Identity Registers (EIR) in their networks use them to keep their own lists of blacklisted lost or stolen phones. Operators’ EIRs automatically connect to the IMEI DB to share their latest lists of blacklisted devices with other operators. The IMEI DB takes the black lists from the various operators around the world that are connected to system and it compiles the data into one global black list. When a network operator EIR subsequently connects to the IMEI DB, it downloads the latest global black list (or a national or regional subset of the global list) for its own use. By loading the IMEI DB black list onto the local EIR, all handsets reported as stolen on other connected networks up to the previous day are now also capable of being blocked on that network. On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
While they are at it, let the switch off all the fake network cards with fake MAC Addresses.
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If CCK enforces this conformity i.e. network EIR connect to GSMA IMEI DB, then it will make sense. Otherwise, if one opco blacklists an IMEI but the other doesn't, then their efforts will bare no fruits. ./bernard On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Josiah Mugambi <josiah.mugambi@gmail.com>wrote:
If you haven't looked at this, it will make some things clear: http://www.gsma.com/technicalprojects/fraud-security/imei-database/
Particularly of interest are these paragraphs:
The IMEI DB also supports what is known as a “black list”. The black list is a list of IMEIs that are associated with mobile devices that should be denied service on mobile networks because they have been reported as lost, stolen, faulty or otherwise unsuitable for use. Previously known as the Central Equipment Identify Register (CEIR), the IMEI DB acts as a central system for network operators to share their individual black lists so that devices denied service (blacklisted) by one network will not work on other networks even if the SIM card in the device is changed.
Network operators who deploy Equipment Identity Registers (EIR) in their networks use them to keep their own lists of blacklisted lost or stolen phones. Operators’ EIRs automatically connect to the IMEI DB to share their latest lists of blacklisted devices with other operators. The IMEI DB takes the black lists from the various operators around the world that are connected to system and it compiles the data into one global black list. When a network operator EIR subsequently connects to the IMEI DB, it downloads the latest global black list (or a national or regional subset of the global list) for its own use. By loading the IMEI DB black list onto the local EIR, all handsets reported as stolen on other connected networks up to the previous day are now also capable of being blocked on that network.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
While they are at it, let the switch off all the fake network cards with fake MAC Addresses.
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This sounds like fiction. I doubt if this guys really have the best of our interests? - Is the verification process where you send the IMEI no to a short code charged? *If so Multiply the cost by all the active subscribers.* - Is there anything like a fake phone? what does it do? *Register on the network. Make/Receive calls and messages* - What happens on people who put their phone on roaming profile when they visit the country? *Will their "phones" - if fake be switched off.* - Say 5M subscribers have their phones switched off. Will the telcos sit down and make loses The worse thing though is the PS saying "*We sneaked in the law in the finance bill"* * * Sneaked bills!!! Really. regards, Tusker21 On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com> wrote:
If CCK enforces this conformity i.e. network EIR connect to GSMA IMEI DB, then it will make sense. Otherwise, if one opco blacklists an IMEI but the other doesn't, then their efforts will bare no fruits.
./bernard
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Josiah Mugambi <josiah.mugambi@gmail.com>wrote:
If you haven't looked at this, it will make some things clear: http://www.gsma.com/technicalprojects/fraud-security/imei-database/
Particularly of interest are these paragraphs:
The IMEI DB also supports what is known as a “black list”. The black list is a list of IMEIs that are associated with mobile devices that should be denied service on mobile networks because they have been reported as lost, stolen, faulty or otherwise unsuitable for use. Previously known as the Central Equipment Identify Register (CEIR), the IMEI DB acts as a central system for network operators to share their individual black lists so that devices denied service (blacklisted) by one network will not work on other networks even if the SIM card in the device is changed.
Network operators who deploy Equipment Identity Registers (EIR) in their networks use them to keep their own lists of blacklisted lost or stolen phones. Operators’ EIRs automatically connect to the IMEI DB to share their latest lists of blacklisted devices with other operators. The IMEI DB takes the black lists from the various operators around the world that are connected to system and it compiles the data into one global black list. When a network operator EIR subsequently connects to the IMEI DB, it downloads the latest global black list (or a national or regional subset of the global list) for its own use. By loading the IMEI DB black list onto the local EIR, all handsets reported as stolen on other connected networks up to the previous day are now also capable of being blocked on that network.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com>wrote:
While they are at it, let the switch off all the fake network cards with fake MAC Addresses.
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I think some things are not too clear. - There's no such thing as a 'fake phone'. After all so called fake phones can make and receive calls... - One can conceivably have a 'forged' IMEI though. The GSMA is responsible for issuing and maintaining the IMEI number and database. Each mobile phone manufacturer is then assigned the IMEI numbers for their devices. Some IMEIs are blacklisted mostly due to theft of phone - report to police, after due process I would think this is the primary reason for all this. The short code is free for the first (I think ) 3 messages. I know I didn't get charged for the first text I sent in.... On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Tusker 21 <tusker212@gmail.com> wrote:
This sounds like fiction. I doubt if this guys really have the best of our interests?
- Is the verification process where you send the IMEI no to a short code charged?
*If so Multiply the cost by all the active subscribers.*
- Is there anything like a fake phone? what does it do?
*Register on the network. Make/Receive calls and messages*
- What happens on people who put their phone on roaming profile when they visit the country?
*Will their "phones" - if fake be switched off.*
- Say 5M subscribers have their phones switched off. Will the telcos sit down and make loses
The worse thing though is the PS saying "*We sneaked in the law in the finance bill"* * * Sneaked bills!!! Really.
regards,
Tusker21
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Bernard Mwagiru <bmwagiru@gmail.com>wrote:
If CCK enforces this conformity i.e. network EIR connect to GSMA IMEI DB, then it will make sense. Otherwise, if one opco blacklists an IMEI but the other doesn't, then their efforts will bare no fruits.
./bernard
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Josiah Mugambi <josiah.mugambi@gmail.com>wrote:
If you haven't looked at this, it will make some things clear: http://www.gsma.com/technicalprojects/fraud-security/imei-database/
Particularly of interest are these paragraphs:
The IMEI DB also supports what is known as a “black list”. The black list is a list of IMEIs that are associated with mobile devices that should be denied service on mobile networks because they have been reported as lost, stolen, faulty or otherwise unsuitable for use. Previously known as the Central Equipment Identify Register (CEIR), the IMEI DB acts as a central system for network operators to share their individual black lists so that devices denied service (blacklisted) by one network will not work on other networks even if the SIM card in the device is changed.
Network operators who deploy Equipment Identity Registers (EIR) in their networks use them to keep their own lists of blacklisted lost or stolen phones. Operators’ EIRs automatically connect to the IMEI DB to share their latest lists of blacklisted devices with other operators. The IMEI DB takes the black lists from the various operators around the world that are connected to system and it compiles the data into one global black list. When a network operator EIR subsequently connects to the IMEI DB, it downloads the latest global black list (or a national or regional subset of the global list) for its own use. By loading the IMEI DB black list onto the local EIR, all handsets reported as stolen on other connected networks up to the previous day are now also capable of being blocked on that network.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Philip Musyoki <pmusyoki@gmail.com>wrote:
While they are at it, let the switch off all the fake network cards with fake MAC Addresses.
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How can the swithing off of fake MACs be done? No one registers them! On Jul 3, 2012 8:39 AM, "Philip Musyoki" <pmusyoki@gmail.com> wrote:
While they are at it, let the switch off all the fake network cards with fake MAC Addresses.
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@Job, I was just joking. But I was trying to make my point, it is a difficult task creating an IMEA black-list. I am not a GSM/CDMA network expert but I think the addition of an IMEI data creates a network-burden and may just end up slowing and introducing inefficiencies in the network. What we need to do is proper customs enforcements, making sure 'fake' equipment does not enter the market.
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